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Did the Conroe Benchmarks Change Your Buying Plans?

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March 8, 2006 1:12:28 PM

Just curious if the new benchmarks released on the upcoming Intel Conroe processors changed anyone's future buying plans...

For me the numbers were a bit of a shock... I bought an AMD X2-4400 in July '05 and at the time I feel like I bought the right thing... but I think the relationship with AMD is going to be a short one assuming I can save up the money.
March 8, 2006 1:17:29 PM

Oh absolutely and its going to change alot of things. It will bring back the spirit of Intel and all of their diehard enthusiasts.

I just built my opteron system and I don't regret it one bit as, I love it. Its a great system using what's available today.
March 8, 2006 1:30:31 PM

No.
I wanted to get a NB back in Q4-05 using the Pentium M 770 (the Inspiron XPS M170; still called Inspiron XPS Gen2 at that time).
But Yonah was just around the corner so I decided to wait a few weeks. Yonah was introduced, no Yonah-XPS around. The Pentium M 780 has 2.26 GHz and was superior in games so no chance for the Core Duo T2600 with 2.16 GHz so no Notebook for me >_>
Then details about Merom emerged and at that time I was 10000000% sure that there will be an Inspiron XPS using Merom and thats also when I decided to wait for Merom.
Nothing has changed since then =)
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March 8, 2006 1:30:57 PM

I was going to get a new rig anyway. If Conroe would not surpass the Pentium D i would have gotten AMD but as it is now i'll surely go for Intel.
I'm aiming for either the 2.66 or the 2.4 ghz both mainstream though both solid performers.
Intel is much bigger and has a lot more engineers than AMD. It was expected for them to come with a better chip though not by that margin. Can't wait for real benchmarks from THG. Only 4-6 months to go. :D 
March 8, 2006 1:52:50 PM

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Did the Conroe Benchmarks Change Your Buying Plans?
Nope. I'm still buying a house, and still hoping that if I ignore my fcuked RAM for long enough it'll magically fix itself and I won't have to spend any more money on computers. Instead I can buy a fridge or something.

Seriously though.... When I next decide to upgrade, I'll look at what's available then, and buy whatever is best at the time. Lets not forget people, that if conroe is that much better than whatever AMD has, then either AMD will drop prices or intel will increase them. I'd definitely not assume the performance and prices are exactly as they are currently claiming.

Worst case scenario (for AMD)? They end up back in the days of offering 80% of the performance for 40% of the price.... (figures plucked out of thin air, but you know what I mean)

Wait and see... since intel Set up the PCs, and it was unveiled at the IDF... Although it does look good, it certainly doesn't look "change your upgrade plans" good, just yet. (although anyone who thinks you can 'plan' an upgrade for 6 months time is a bit dagenham, IMO)
March 8, 2006 2:05:10 PM

Not a bit. I'm still going to get rid of my 2.8 Prescott and get a 3500 (can't really afford the dual core 3800).
March 8, 2006 2:30:26 PM

anyone know where can i get to see the conroe benchmark?

by the way, current AMD benchmark are using DDR400, when AM2 comes in stage i doubt if there are no performance gain from using DDR2 800. hopefully the performance gain will surpass of any intel offering - conroe.
March 8, 2006 2:33:33 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713...

Well, like I said in another thread, it will be hard for AMD to squeeze up to 41% performance gain using their current technology. That is if, the Intel claims hold true. Even with AM2 and DDR2, it will be impossible for AMD to gain that much ground.
March 8, 2006 2:40:03 PM

It depends on what your buying pattern is. I rebuild every two or three years and buy the best of what is out there when it is time to build. I will wait for the new "next best thing" if it is coming out within a month or two of my system upgrade. Otherwise, if it's going to be six months out or something and I plan to build now, I will just build now. I just built an X2 in Feb, I was not going to wait another six months to get a new system, or even four months to get AM2. If it was coming in April or something, I would have waited. But if I waited to Aug, by then there would be another new "next best thing" coming from AMD like six months later as a response and then probably a response from Intel six months after that. Bottom line is I will only deffer upgrading slightly for a new technology, nothing more then a few months. Otherwise you can always find something new coming out to wait for. You just have to buy what is the best for your money at the time and accept the fact that in six months there will be something better out there.
March 8, 2006 3:11:14 PM

my target was to build a gaming computer around 4th of july, well its a perfect timing wheather to decide to go with intel or amd. cuz am2 will be mature, and conroe will be out too (I hope) i dont care who wins, all i care about are the prices...
March 8, 2006 3:19:10 PM

While the lead (40%??) is very impressive, and Conroe is definately a winner in its own right, as I stated in another thread there's no use calling anyone the clear champ right now until both new platforms can be tested head to head.

I wasn't planning on upgrading until the AM2 platform arrived. I wanted to see how prices on 939 react (hey I'm poor) as well as to see what the AM2 offerings would be (I might be able to afford one...right???). I still plan on doing this.

I would also like to point out that we should expect nothing less than a large performance increase from Intel. It's about time they picked up their slack. However, on that note I can also point that Intel had to change their architecture to achieve that large performance gain. AM2 could very well be beaten by Conroe but I doubt the margins are going to be as big as "41%". What should concern Intel is that AM2 will still be competitive with Conroe AND it will be based on current 90nm technology. Intel should be very concerned when AMD introduces its own 65nm chips next year. This should be a nice battle for all to sit back and watch.

And on top of it, we get kick ass chips either way!!
March 8, 2006 3:20:39 PM

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Just curious if the new benchmarks released on the upcoming Intel Conroe processors changed anyone's future buying plans...


Nope. I've already waited long enough. I'm not sure I really trust Intel's claims yet as 1) they were in control of everything 2) it's not in production and 3) they benefit more by getting people to hold off an AMD purchase in hope of something new, rather than by telling the truth.

Now I'm also open to the possibility that their benchmarks are real, I'll just wait until more independent confirmation is available.

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For me the numbers were a bit of a shock... I bought an AMD X2-4400 in July '05 and at the time I feel like I bought the right thing... but I think the relationship with AMD is going to be a short one assuming I can save up the money.


There's always something greater just around the corner, you know. By the time these processors are available some other drool-inducing technology will be at least six months further into the future. Do you really think that your current X2-4400 won't be sufficiently fast for what you want to do with it? Does 140fps vs. 90fps really matter when your eye doesn't get much benefit of anything over the monitor refresh rate of 75Hz? It will really only matter for things like number crunching work where your wait time will be significantly reduced, I would imagine.

Once the tech is out then someone will take advantage of it in some game or some other software where you really feel the difference; but I'll bet that is more than six months down the road. Why not be happy with what you have and then save even longer for the faster stuff when what you have is really obsolete for the things you want to do?

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March 8, 2006 4:05:59 PM

I just bought my 939 mobo, so no. In another month or so I'm going to upgrade the RAM and/or CPU to dual core, but I'm not going to buy a new mobo just for Conroe. At the very least, I will wait until true head-to-head comparisons are available, then look at price/performance.
March 8, 2006 4:13:59 PM

I don't have the money to upgrade right now anyway but I'm hoping to upgrade by this fall at the latest. It's looking like I may go back to Intel but only time will tell. We'll see when its actually out. 6 months is a long time in the PC world and who knows, by then AMD may announce its next architecture.
March 8, 2006 4:18:31 PM

no......as Conroe is not even out yet and neither is AM2 so I am going ahead with my plans and will druel when those 2 new platfoms come out later this year
March 8, 2006 4:20:38 PM

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No.
I wanted to get a NB back in Q4-05 using the Pentium M 770 (the Inspiron XPS M170; still called Inspiron XPS Gen2 at that time).
But Yonah was just around the corner so I decided to wait a few weeks. Yonah was introduced, no Yonah-XPS around. The Pentium M 780 has 2.26 GHz and was superior in games so no chance for the Core Duo T2600 with 2.16 GHz so no Notebook for me >_>
Then details about Merom emerged and at that time I was 10000000% sure that there will be an Inspiron XPS using Merom and thats also when I decided to wait for Merom.
Nothing has changed since then =)


and probably won't for at least 6 more months
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March 8, 2006 4:34:29 PM

Questions like this are bulls*it...how can you base any plans on a chip that isn't available for purchase...I just can't believe that this one article has dominoed into strings of posts with Intel freaks drooling over the prospect that they, some day within the next year, might be able to purchase a proc that they can finally gloat about...WTF...I have never seen such fanaticism over one obviously bias review!

Truly though, with all the marketing hype, repeated memory and socket upgrades/changes, forced standards to the market, and actually come up with the cash, I believe most enthusiasts will wait until conroe is in production and actually available from a retailer before making purchase plans...and even then, they will purchase whatever is the best dollar for performance processor available that they can afford.
March 8, 2006 4:39:43 PM

I believe the point of my question was to see how dependent people were on future releases in determining their present-day purchases.

Conroe isn't some science fiction CPU... they've already got working versions of the processor that have apparently been benchmarked. To me the only thing that is hypothetical about Conroe is its eventual price... and keep in mind, the benchmarked CPU was NOT the 3.0+ GHz Extreme Edition that Intel has promised.

I own an AMD, but that doesn't mean I'm going to put down what is obviously an amazing new processor. Bless you Intel for giving up on NetBurst and pushing things forward.

It's interesting to see someone mindlessly bash something and then see in their signature what system they run... generally speaking it's the opposite of what they're bashing.
March 8, 2006 4:44:38 PM

why would they, conroe is not in the store right now is it? talk to me at the end of the year...at best
March 8, 2006 4:46:32 PM

I have not seen anything solid yet on the Conroe to care about it.
I also need to wait for AMDs answer to that (if there needs to be one).

Will all this happen by September toughly?

Is there any real Conroe benchmark? Please give a link.

Thanks!
March 8, 2006 4:51:13 PM

I've been perfectly happy with my 3.2Ghz Northwood P4 for my computer, which I use largely for games. But its pretty old now, and none of the current intel processors really excite me, not a big enough improvement.

However, having seen the reports of the Conroe makeing a 4.1Ghz overclocked P4EE look slow, and also beating the performance of an AMD64 clocked up to 2.8Ghz, well Conroe is looking like a temptation.

Even so, I'll wait until Xmas and watch the prices drop, as the upgrade will basically envolve a total new computer, as im setup with AGP, and DDR, so will need to replace everything.

If the Conroe system lasts as long as my 3.2 Northwood, and still feels fast towards the end of its life I'll be delighted.
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March 8, 2006 5:02:21 PM

I got what your saying...don't mean to bash anything...posted the original message before actually taking a moment to reflect and edit...I just fail to understand the seeming fanaticism caused by an obiously bias review and benchmarks...still say questions like this are BS and just feed into the fervor, as evidenced by my own replies, that and the fact I'm killing time with nothing better to do at the moment...ultimately, the consumer wins by being able to participate in a competitive market by purchasing the best dollar for performace processor they can afford...I make no apologies for my signature and two of my other machines are Skt478 P4's...
March 8, 2006 5:05:43 PM

Hehe... I'm still happy with my Non-HT P4 2.66.

Say... if I took the heatsink off and wrote ConRoe on it.. do ya think..

Oh... nevermind :oops: 
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March 8, 2006 5:06:01 PM

"...cuz am2 will be mature,"

Let's hope it matures quickly between 6 June and 4 July! :-)
March 8, 2006 5:17:05 PM

Yes, as long as the benchmarks are true and accurate. In all fairness to AMD and my wallet, I'll wait to see if they (AMD) can counter with a worthy chip in a timely fashion before buying. If not, Conroe! Conroe! Conroe! :lol: 
March 8, 2006 5:21:52 PM

Why do you insist on calling those benchmarks biased? Were you there at the IDF? No, Toms and other sites were there representing us.

It's Intels show and all the information we received is based on what Toms and other sites have seen for themselves.

Jesus people, read the whole damn article. They CLEARLY state that not ALL of the tests were generated by Intel.

Get a grip and get over it
March 8, 2006 5:28:36 PM

Here are your BenchMarks

These are interesting results without a doubt, notice they are comparing a mid range Conroe CPU with 667MHz mem (not the 800MHz that will it will be launched with), pitted against a future top end FX-62. Now AMD does have Socket AM2 awaiting launch with DDR2, but this is not expected to be a major performance leap, and maybe even a slight hit due to latencies.

This was Intel's 2.66GHz clocked Conroe (a non extreme version using underclocked RAM and not the 3GHz version that will be launched) being benched against AMD's future extreme version dual core FX 2.8GHz!

Clearly it appears that Intel's Conroe is going to come out strong and scale up fast, which may indeed make it one of the best overclockable chips to date, always a plus for enthusiasts!

If anything, it appears the tests were in AMD's favor.
March 8, 2006 5:38:59 PM

I agree competition is good. Frankly I think the new Athlon64's always showing up at 2.4 or 2.6 with a little extra cache or extra core or combination thereof is getting a little long on the tooth. They need to innovate the chip, add 2MB cache/core, pump it up to 3.2 or 3.4Ghz add some more instructions and shrink the die. Add some real upgrades.

That aside, I completely agree, with satisfaction and perception of speed of your system. My chip is still an AthlonXP barton with only 512cache I have clocked @ 2.4 which is roughly 3.4Ghz Intel single core. I see anyone having an Intel 3.2 or similar speed with a good video is going to be pretty satisfied with what they have. I can still run my games full native lcd resolutions max settings, burn my DVD's at around 5:45, go online and cruise around 360kb/s w/cable modem no problem. A great deal of these things I enjoy don't rely on my CPU for sheer performance....at all.
March 8, 2006 5:49:07 PM

I wont be waiting. Im sure the conroe will be an awesome cpu but at what cost?

When it releases im sure the Conroe will be $1200-$1500 easy. The Extreme will probably be even more. So your really looking at 12 months unless you want to pay top dollar when this bad boy launches.



Also, when people say the results are biased I AGREE. An example would be letting a seasoned boxer beat the crap out of a rookie and then calling the seasoned boxer the champ. I dont know if biased would be a fair term for it, but definetly unfair would work for me.

Lets see some side by side tests with the AM2 and we will have a clearer picture. Im sure AMD will close that gap a bit but in the end might fall short of the amazing performance of the conroe.


In 6 months price will probably be the factor with these 2 CPU's.

Conroe Extreme: $1700
AM2 Extreme: $1200-$1400

With probably the Conroe being the better performer by maybe 10%.

We shall see and this news to me means "Let the good times roll" Without AMD or Intel the technology would just stagnate. Each company needs the other just as much. So chill out Intel Fanboys :) 
March 8, 2006 5:53:02 PM

Anser : NO

Why would it change my buying plans? Like AS IF i am gonna wait my ass for 6 months >.<

I just bought a Opty 170 + ASUS A8R32-MVP.. (Opty ill be in tomorrow).. I'll probably be fine with it for the next 6 months :roll:
March 8, 2006 6:00:03 PM

I predict Conroes pricing to be similar to pricing of past few years, they will take the top spots, and the older ones will drop as the ones before them have...
March 8, 2006 6:58:30 PM

RichPLS
Thanks for the note and the link to real benchmarks!
Nice to see all the hype starting to gel.
March 8, 2006 7:11:37 PM

Not at all.
March 8, 2006 7:12:29 PM

that is exactly what intel is trying to get you to do
March 8, 2006 7:36:20 PM

I still plan on buying a Dual core opteron same as I did last week. Don't need a new mother board or new memory for that. Nuff said.
March 8, 2006 7:38:05 PM

No. My wife has explained to me that I have no buying plans.

I will, however, need to invest in therapy for my Opteron 165. It is feeling inadequate now. :roll:
March 8, 2006 8:25:10 PM

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that is exactly what intel is trying to get you to do


Not really. I am just happy to see any hype gel.

I am currently looking to buy new everything system this year, so I am trying to get as much real info as I can.
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March 8, 2006 8:32:27 PM

Answered that in one of the countless thread all ending up having the same argument!

I think ocotber/november will be a really good time too buy a computer, no matter wich brand you'll choose.

My P4C served me well for almost 3 years, it still clock at 3.5 on aire easily w00t. :) 
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