SID and STAR

[Guest]

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Hi everybody,

What is SID and STAR used for??

Thanks in advance....

 

[Guest]

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HI Erik,SID mean standard instrument departure and the STAR is standard
arrival rule.Like you can see sid is use for departure procedure and
star for arrival proc.Many airport have theese type of procedure for an
important reason,geography.For safe dep. or arriv.aircraft must follow
sid or star depending from witch direction they are coming from or
witch direction they are going after take off.Depending on the
configuration of mountains around or buildings,lakes,etc.SID and STAR
are a kind of route that aircraft have to follow near an airport to
take off or land safely.SID and SATR can usualy be program in FMS and
be use by A.P.Hope this help you,sorry for my english

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[Pete]

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SID stands for Standard Instrument Departure and STAR stands for
STandard Arival Route.
SID's are used by departing aircraft and STAR's are used by arriving
aircraft.
Each one is basically a set of pre- determined coordinates in space
that together form a particular SID or STAR. They usually terminate at
a specific navaid i.e. a VOR or NDB.
Each SID or STAR have their own particular name that makes them
unique... EG NGH 1 H (New Galloway 1 Hotel) SID or LANAK 1 ALPHA STAR.
The SID or STAR can be entered into the Aircraft's FMC as part of it's
pre determined flight plan.
SID's and STAR's hopefully (?!) contribute to the the smooth flow of
aircraft in and out of airports.
I think that is basically it but I'm sure that some of our colleagues
out there may want to clarify the definition I have offered even more.

 

[william]

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"Erik Selde" <erik.selde@mail.dk> wrote in message
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> Hi everybody,
>
> What is SID and STAR used for??
>
> Thanks in advance....
Just to add to the other two good explanations. SIDs (now called SD in the
US) and STARS help reduce ATC communication. Hence ATC can clear an arrival
to follow the published STAR until 'X' then call or report as required.

Bill

 

[Guest]

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Bill wrote:

> SIDs (now called SD in the US)

Almost. ;-)

SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.

--
Peter

 

[Guest]

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"Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bill wrote:
>
>> SIDs (now called SD in the US)
>
> Almost. ;-)
>
> SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.
>
> --
> Peter
>

Hi Peter,

Except within DOD-- the FLIP still says Standard Instrument Departures (as
of May 12), although the NOAA stuff does show DP. Guess the guys in the
government don't talk much to each other. )

Paul

 

[william]

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"Paul Riley" <Falcon63624@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116874634.054040.63210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> SIDs (now called SD in the US)
>>
>> Almost. ;-)
>>
>> SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>>
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Except within DOD-- the FLIP still says Standard Instrument Departures (as
> of May 12), although the NOAA stuff does show DP. Guess the guys in the
> government don't talk much to each other. )
>
> Paul

Nothing new there LOL
Bill

 

[steve]

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"Paul Riley" <Falcon63624@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:koydnUoRV-F13g_fRVn-2Q@sirinet.net...
> "Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116874634.054040.63210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Bill wrote:
> >
> >> SIDs (now called SD in the US)
> >
> > Almost. ;-)
> >
> > SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.
> >
> > --
> > Peter
> >
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Except within DOD-- the FLIP still says Standard Instrument Departures (as
> of May 12), although the NOAA stuff does show DP. Guess the guys in the
> government don't talk much to each other. )
>

Perhaps the DoD just thought - "This is shite. The rest of the world still
calls them SID's so we're sticking with that - if it ain't broke, don't mend
it". Still, some civilian beaurocrat has probably advanced a couple of
pay-bands for having dreamed up the change.

Steve

 

[Guest]

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Thanks for all the replies..

I can only use SID and STAR, if I´m flying aircrafts with a FMC (Flight
Management Computer) installed, like various PMDG planes...?

Is that correct?

Thanks
"Steve" <steve@DELETEMEFIRSTzord.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:d6ti93$k00$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> "Paul Riley" <Falcon63624@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:koydnUoRV-F13g_fRVn-2Q@sirinet.net...
>> "Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1116874634.054040.63210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> > Bill wrote:
>> >
>> >> SIDs (now called SD in the US)
>> >
>> > Almost. ;-)
>> >
>> > SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Peter
>> >
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Except within DOD-- the FLIP still says Standard Instrument Departures
>> (as
>> of May 12), although the NOAA stuff does show DP. Guess the guys in the
>> government don't talk much to each other. )
>>
>
> Perhaps the DoD just thought - "This is shite. The rest of the world
> still
> calls them SID's so we're sticking with that - if it ain't broke, don't
> mend
> it". Still, some civilian beaurocrat has probably advanced a couple of
> pay-bands for having dreamed up the change.
>
> Steve
>
>

 

[Guest]

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NO, what there saying is you can program the Flight Management Computer to
fly the A/C in Auto Pilot. Not all panels have an active or fully working
FMC like the PMDG or Level D 767.

Otherwise, you will have the chart in your lap (kneeboard) while you fly the
procedure manually and then set up for your approach.

Mark G
Not4wood
TransInternational Airlines

"Erik Selde" <erik.selde@mail.dk> wrote in message
news:42925353$0$73282$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk...
> Thanks for all the replies..
>
> I can only use SID and STAR, if I´m flying aircrafts with a FMC (Flight
> Management Computer) installed, like various PMDG planes...?
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Thanks
> "Steve" <steve@DELETEMEFIRSTzord.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:d6ti93$k00$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> "Paul Riley" <Falcon63624@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:koydnUoRV-F13g_fRVn-2Q@sirinet.net...
>>> "Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1116874634.054040.63210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Bill wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> SIDs (now called SD in the US)
>>> >
>>> > Almost. ;-)
>>> >
>>> > SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Except within DOD-- the FLIP still says Standard Instrument Departures
>>> (as
>>> of May 12), although the NOAA stuff does show DP. Guess the guys in the
>>> government don't talk much to each other. )
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps the DoD just thought - "This is shite. The rest of the world
>> still
>> calls them SID's so we're sticking with that - if it ain't broke, don't
>> mend
>> it". Still, some civilian beaurocrat has probably advanced a couple of
>> pay-bands for having dreamed up the change.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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> The "stock" FS9 Garmin GPS 500 will fly them.

Keep in mind that not all DPs (SIDs) and STARs can be automatically
flown using a GPS coupled to an autopilot. When speaking of the
averagely to above averagely equipped GA aircraft, the pilot has to
either hand fly through these procedures or if an AP is to be used, the
pilot will have to continually "button push" (meaning using the heading
bug to continually direct the AP for course and continually adjust
vertical speed or altitude hold).

The reason for this is because many of these procedures are not as
simple as fly to this waypoint/fix at this altitude, then fly to this
waypoint/fix at this altitude. Instead, many DPs and STARs are "when
reaching a specific altitude, turn to this heading," or "expect radar
vectors to ..."

One example is the Teterboro Five DP out of Teterboro (KTEB), New
Jersey (US). Teterboro airport is one of the busiest general aviation
airports in the northeast US, serving New York City, and the airport
sits directly north of Newark (KEWR) airport. TEB's departure
procedure is designed to keep departing aircraft below the approach
path to Newark's even busier commercial airliner runways.

The graphic for the DP is here:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00890TETERBORO.PDF

and the text is here:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00890TETERBORO_C.PDF

I do not know the full functionality of FMS's, so I cannot say whether
these systems are capable of flying departure procedures such as the
one above.

--
Peter

 

[Guest]

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Bill wrote:

> you are no longer flying the published SID or STAR.

I disagree. Did you look at that DP I posted? There are a couple of
interim altitudes that the pilot must reach before turning to specific
headings. Certainly upon reaching the first altitude the pilot is
still flying the published DP. If he didn't he would get quite an
earful from NY Departure.

The term "published" doesn't imply that the DP or STAR is included in
the GPS database. There are many of these procedures that are not
included in the database, but are still very much considered
"published."

--
Peter

 

[Guest]

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The "stock" FS9 Garmin GPS 500 will fly them.

Press the "Proc" button and select whatever you want, set the GPS/NAV switch
to "GPS", and the autopilot will do the whole thing...


"Not4wood" <no_spam_mgottes@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4Juke.11599$mv5.8104@trndny07...
> NO, what there saying is you can program the Flight Management Computer to
> fly the A/C in Auto Pilot. Not all panels have an active or fully working
> FMC like the PMDG or Level D 767.
>
> Otherwise, you will have the chart in your lap (kneeboard) while you fly
the
> procedure manually and then set up for your approach.
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
> TransInternational Airlines
>
> "Erik Selde" <erik.selde@mail.dk> wrote in message
> news:42925353$0$73282$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk...
> > Thanks for all the replies..
> >
> > I can only use SID and STAR, if I´m flying aircrafts with a FMC (Flight
> > Management Computer) installed, like various PMDG planes...?
> >
> > Is that correct?
> >
> > Thanks
> > "Steve" <steve@DELETEMEFIRSTzord.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:d6ti93$k00$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> >> "Paul Riley" <Falcon63624@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:koydnUoRV-F13g_fRVn-2Q@sirinet.net...
> >>> "Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1116874634.054040.63210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >>> > Bill wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> SIDs (now called SD in the US)
> >>> >
> >>> > Almost. ;-)
> >>> >
> >>> > SIDs are now called DPs in the US. DP is Departure Procedures.
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Peter
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Hi Peter,
> >>>
> >>> Except within DOD-- the FLIP still says Standard Instrument Departures
> >>> (as
> >>> of May 12), although the NOAA stuff does show DP. Guess the guys in
the
> >>> government don't talk much to each other. )
> >>>
> >>
> >> Perhaps the DoD just thought - "This is shite. The rest of the world
> >> still
> >> calls them SID's so we're sticking with that - if it ain't broke, don't
> >> mend
> >> it". Still, some civilian beaurocrat has probably advanced a couple of
> >> pay-bands for having dreamed up the change.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Guest]

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When you get a:

"when reaching a specific altitude, turn to this heading," or "expect radar
vectors to ..."

you are no longer flying the published SID or STAR.

But the GPS/autopilot will fly the entire PUBLISHED procedure with the only
pilot input being changing the altitude on the autopilot...




"Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116939825.731389.176260@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > The "stock" FS9 Garmin GPS 500 will fly them.
>
> Keep in mind that not all DPs (SIDs) and STARs can be automatically
> flown using a GPS coupled to an autopilot. When speaking of the
> averagely to above averagely equipped GA aircraft, the pilot has to
> either hand fly through these procedures or if an AP is to be used, the
> pilot will have to continually "button push" (meaning using the heading
> bug to continually direct the AP for course and continually adjust
> vertical speed or altitude hold).
>
> The reason for this is because many of these procedures are not as
> simple as fly to this waypoint/fix at this altitude, then fly to this
> waypoint/fix at this altitude. Instead, many DPs and STARs are "when
> reaching a specific altitude, turn to this heading," or "expect radar
> vectors to ..."
>
> One example is the Teterboro Five DP out of Teterboro (KTEB), New
> Jersey (US). Teterboro airport is one of the busiest general aviation
> airports in the northeast US, serving New York City, and the airport
> sits directly north of Newark (KEWR) airport. TEB's departure
> procedure is designed to keep departing aircraft below the approach
> path to Newark's even busier commercial airliner runways.
>
> The graphic for the DP is here:
>
> http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00890TETERBORO.PDF
>
> and the text is here:
>
> http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00890TETERBORO_C.PDF
>
> I do not know the full functionality of FMS's, so I cannot say whether
> these systems are capable of flying departure procedures such as the
> one above.
>
> --
> Peter
>