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I'm getting two BFG 7900GTX 512MB Nvidia cards on Friday

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March 9, 2006 1:36:32 PM

Heh, was called by a retailer just now saying my order for two 7800GTX 512MB is cancelled and i could have two 7900GTX 512MB instead...arriving tomorrow (Friday 10th March). And I'll save £200 in the process because the new cards are cheaper - astonishingly. I was skeptical at first, but everything checked out. BFG OC ones too www.bfgtech.com! Well chuffed :D .
March 9, 2006 1:50:24 PM

rub it in why dont ya i'm poor and i cant afford that but good deal man :D  hope your happy with them :D  cause i'm poor and i cant get them :cry: 
March 9, 2006 1:57:36 PM

Yes, and the best thing is that the retailer only had 3 in stock, and I got two. mwuahaha.
March 9, 2006 2:04:55 PM

Nice!!! Don't forget to post a pic and results for us who can't afford to buy them cards. Im a BFG man as well but the Evga is the most powerful but BFG is just reliable and has lifetime warranty. So either of the two is a good deal. Good luck man and have fun with your new toy.


Hook the brother up!!! :D 
March 9, 2006 2:29:12 PM

And the rich ones who think it is unnecessary to pay this much money two two video cards.

You can play every game out there with good enough settings with just one 6600 gt or 6800. Lets say 6600 gt is hundred bucks now and two 7900s are 1000. A year or two from now, 2 7900s are going to be 500 dollars. And then i am going to upgrade my computer to that and we will have the same cards, only if you didnt upgrade yours to 8900 already :lol:  And i would spend only 600 dollars for my video cards expenses, and you wouldve spend 1000, and we could both play everything at max in this whole time...

When i build a computer, i dont worry about how good or quality it would be, i worry about how much of its performance can i really use, and how can i save money from the performance i cannot use. It is called optimization.

For example, lets say you have an lcd with natural resolution (and max) at 1280x1024. You wouldnt be able to play fear at 1600x1200, so you wouldn't need two 7800s, so why buy it.?

If you can use two 7900s, to its fullest performance, then for all means, buy them. But for some people, rich (like me 8) ) or poor, 2 7900s doesn't worth a thousand dollars. There is only one thing you can do with two 7900s that you cant do with a 6600gt, host a lan party and brag about your computer. 8O :tongue:

I am glad for you, and i hope they make good enough games that would require me to get two 7900 gtxs. But i am going to stick with my 6600 gt for now :wink:

At least for one more year...
March 9, 2006 2:35:31 PM

Rate my new comp:

* Asustek S939 nForce4 SLI X16 ATX A L R motherboard
* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
* (case:)  ThermalTake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA +Liquid cooling
* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro soundcard
* Pioneer DVR-110 DVD Burner x 2
* 2 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
* Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 THX speakers
* 600W Enermax SLi ready power supply
* Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs = 4GB - ready for Vista)
* Logitech gaming keyboard
* Razer Copperhead mouse
* Hyundaï Q90U 2.4ms LCD monitor (and looking for big CRT for best display quality)
* and a bunch of water cooling kit.
* (scanner and printer)

Cost me a fortune, but I slowly saved up for years, and now was the time to buy for me.
March 9, 2006 2:40:17 PM

With these cards in SLI, man, you can run games at 1280x1024 with over 60fps on maximum settings. This should be paired with fast cpu as well like the FX60 or 955 for maximum gaming performance. It's just insane!!
March 9, 2006 2:42:45 PM

Great rig. Although I´d get a Dell 3007 that´s coming out in the next weeks instead of the CRT. Great monitor, with awesome resolution (which you can get those two 7900 to run) and it´s also HDCP compliant.
March 9, 2006 2:43:50 PM

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Rate my new comp:

* Asustek S939 nForce4 SLI X16 ATX A L R motherboard
* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
* (case:)  ThermalTake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA +Liquid cooling
* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro soundcard
* Pioneer DVR-110 DVD Burner x 2
* 2 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
* Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 THX speakers
* 600W Enermax SLi ready power supply
* Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs = 4GB - ready for Vista)
* Logitech gaming keyboard
* Razer Copperhead mouse
* Hyundaï Q90U 2.4ms LCD monitor (and looking for big CRT for best display quality)
* and a bunch of water cooling kit.
* (scanner and printer)

Cost me a fortune, but I slowly saved up for years, and now was the time to buy for me.


Is your dad goes by the name Bill Gates? Cuz your setup is not cheap at all and for you to change your still very good graphics card just like that.

You must be a millionaire my man. By the way I mention the FX60 as a perfect pair for this on SLI and you're gonna have a blast playing FEAR or pong at the highest resolution and settings.
March 9, 2006 2:49:47 PM

Cool man. Thank you mom and dad for us and let them know that if our parents put a silver spoon in our arse everytime we wanted one we would all have one too! 8O
March 9, 2006 3:05:54 PM

er, i worked hard for years and paid for it myself. :p 

The FX-60 is listed there.

And i want a monitor that can offer supreme visual output. Even the latest 2ms LCD's are poor at fast image display relative to CRT's, despite the 'theory'. (I know, because I have both). Review sites just dont seem to know what to look for...a gamer does however. Same with mice technology really, but thats a whole other story.
March 9, 2006 3:24:39 PM

JK dude... just jealous you getting something so nice.. ENJOY! :D 
March 9, 2006 3:27:55 PM

If your LCD doesn't support a resolution to heat up your cards, you can get the triple view adapter that lets you run three matched displays in triple wide screen mode.

Running 4 mem modules will probably force you to drop down to 2T command rate, which might run slower than 2 megs at 1T.
March 9, 2006 3:35:33 PM

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* Razer Copperhead mouse


I freakin' hate that mouse... coulda' done better...
I've used the Razer and it felt really uncomfortable.
The layout was so-so, but not worth the money.
March 9, 2006 3:39:44 PM

Slightly OT, but it's the best mouse I've ever owned (and ive owned a lot of the 'top' ones). I've *measured* it to be the most accurate mouse I've used. Not even Toms seems to know how to measure the accuracy of a mouse objectively, judging from their reviews. "It helped me aim better" is about as thorough as it gets.
March 9, 2006 3:49:53 PM

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Slightly OT, but it's the best mouse I've ever owned (and ive owned a lot of the 'top' ones). I've *measured* it to be the most accurate mouse I've used. Not even Toms seems to know how to measure the accuracy of a mouse objectively, judging from their reviews. "It helped me aim better" is about as thorough as it gets.


whatever works for you ;) 
March 9, 2006 4:08:31 PM

good machine buddy, hate to burst your bubble and all but your machine wont be 100% vista compatible, Vista uses DX10 new graphics API only supports DX9 through software emulation, which means shit slow gaming on current, generation of pc games. your cards are DX9 should of waited, in anyway vista will be shit, and every one will start using linux or openGL hopefully!
March 9, 2006 4:51:04 PM

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good machine buddy, hate to burst your bubble and all but your machine wont be 100% vista compatible, Vista uses DX10 new graphics API only supports DX9 through software emulation, which means **** slow gaming on current, generation of pc games. your cards are DX9 should of waited, in anyway vista will be ****, and every one will start using linux or openGL hopefully!


Ummm according to official Microsoft word:

Minimum system requirements will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest. However, these guidelines provide useful estimates:

• 512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM

• A dedicated graphics card with DirectX® 9.0 support

• A modern, Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/Vista...
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/...

Graphics Card: A DirectX 9–compatible GPU that is capable of supporting Windows Vista Display Driver Model (WVDDM) (only needed for aero glass) and has 64 megabytes of VRAM

Display: Copy-restricted high-definition digital content, such as next-generation HD DVD movies, will be displayed at a reduced resolution of 480p (DVD quality) or 540p, unless viewed on a High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)-compatible monitor. Very few existing displays and no retail video cards are compliant with this standard. [7][8][9]

Soooo far his machine seems VERY vista compatible.
March 9, 2006 6:53:26 PM

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So what does the bill come to for this computer?


A lot! :) 

but it was something ive wanted for almost 10 years to replace my ancient relic that needs fire to start.

Ive been waiting and waiting for the technology to reach a mature enough stage (for its generation), to buy. And im not really prepared to wait any longer, as i feel now is the time to buy. i dont plan on upgrading this computer for MANY years really. at least for a little while, i can say that i have "possibly the best pc on the planet that money can buy (for gaming)".

From what i read on nvidias website, and toms review, im sure its sufficiently vista compatible - more so that most computers that will make the move to vista initially anyway.
March 9, 2006 7:00:25 PM

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good machine buddy, hate to burst your bubble and all but your machine wont be 100% vista compatible, Vista uses DX10 new graphics API only supports DX9 through software emulation, which means **** slow gaming on current, generation of pc games. your cards are DX9 should of waited, in anyway vista will be ****, and every one will start using linux or openGL hopefully!


this is what im waiting for soon as vista comes worthwhile ill be upgrading i just read the review and my guess is the 7800GTX versions have now dropped in price so im gonna buy another and run in sli till vista is worth it then upgrade then.

plus the jump in fps isnt worth it to me just yet.
March 9, 2006 7:11:25 PM

What the going price on the 7800GTX 512s now? I don't even seem them on any website now?
March 9, 2006 7:14:29 PM

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What the going price on the 7800GTX 512s now? I don't even seem them on any website now?


yeah your right i just checked and there not there...the 7800 GTX is only 50quid cheaper than the 7900GTX though, so i might of changed my mind lol. :?
March 9, 2006 7:19:09 PM

Only 50 bucks cheaper then say 600 or 550? So that'd make the 7800 512 now around either 450 or 500? I know how to subtract, but i'm using round figures, to figure out how much I could sell mine for :p 
March 9, 2006 7:20:27 PM

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What the going price on the 7800GTX 512s now? I don't even seem them on any website now?


my retailer told me they'd been discontinued and there was no way they could get them.
March 9, 2006 7:21:00 PM

You should have waited until July for the G80 and Conroe!
March 9, 2006 7:33:53 PM

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You should have waited until July for the G80 and Conroe!


6 months ago i would have been told to wait for the G71... :) 
you cant wait forever. now is a good time for ME to buy.
March 9, 2006 7:42:41 PM

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You should have waited until July for the G80 and Conroe!


6 months ago i would have been told to wait for the G71... :) 
you cant wait forever. now is a good time for ME to buy.

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you cant wait forever.


My thoughts exactly when it comes to computers heh. Yall think $400 even would be a good price for a 7800GTX 512?
March 9, 2006 8:14:34 PM

You won't be saying that when DirectX10 comes out and you're left in the dark with no money.
March 9, 2006 8:20:46 PM

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So what does the bill come to for this computer?


A lot! :) 

but it was something ive wanted for almost 10 years to replace my ancient relic that needs fire to start.

Ive been waiting and waiting for the technology to reach a mature enough stage (for its generation), to buy. And im not really prepared to wait any longer, as i feel now is the time to buy. i dont plan on upgrading this computer for MANY years really. at least for a little while, i can say that i have "possibly the best pc on the planet that money can buy (for gaming)".


dood what are you talking about? why would you save up for years for something that will be half the price in a couple months.. how is that waiting for that right time? that other guy was completely right- buy stuff for its performance and price.. that is the stupidest thing -- save up for years to buy a top of the line computer that will only be top of line for a couple weeks..
March 9, 2006 8:38:57 PM

Yes, me waiting a while longer is the same as me buying previous tech now for half the price it was when it was launched. But, that wouldnt make me much of the "enthusiast"...the very market these big companies are targeting with these new products. People often seem to miss this point...
March 9, 2006 9:38:16 PM

Well the OP decided he wanted the new stuff now so why harass him? Is it the best price/perf ratio? No, new tech never is, but the OP feels its worth it. I'm not trying to slam you so don't take it that way.

I just tossed in my order for 2 7900 GTX's as well but I did it through the eVGA step it up program. I orginaly got the 2 7800 GTX's in mid december so I can't wait any longer it was either buy it this week or have the upgrade program expire, and given the 2 options I'll take the $100 cost to upgrade from 7800 GTX's to 7900GTX's, not bad eh? :) 
March 10, 2006 9:16:14 AM

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good machine buddy, hate to burst your bubble and all but your machine wont be 100% vista compatible, Vista uses DX10 new graphics API only supports DX9 through software emulation, which means **** slow gaming on current, generation of pc games. your cards are DX9 should of waited, in anyway vista will be ****, and every one will start using linux or openGL hopefully!


this is what im waiting for soon as vista comes worthwhile ill be upgrading i just read the review and my guess is the 7800GTX versions have now dropped in price so im gonna buy another and run in sli till vista is worth it then upgrade then.

plus the jump in fps isnt worth it to me just yet.

I use linux in work (suse10), and a windows machine sometimes i use windows/linux at home,spec(AMD 3700 1GB OCZ platium PC3200 2.2.2.5 gigabyte NF mobo XFX 7800gt 256mb) when i said that his machine wasn't 100% compatible i meant although vista will support DX9 it mostly for interface, DX10 is the new graphics API and DX9 is supported through emulation only that aslo means no DX8 DX7 support either his card's are DX9 so when the next gen games come out and it wont be long eg new far cry game his cards wont support the new DX10 graphics technology, i'm sure there will be support for DX9 on the new games but for how long, with all these new cards being released aimed at PC gamers it make you wonder , when vista is released all these cards are going to be obsolete, and everyone will have to up grade if they what to play the latests games at maxium settings, thats why i say some people might start using linux companys more so than(cost to upgrade too much), average joe probably not, vista will come with there new computer wont be able to play games on it though, then there the developers microsoft has contorl of DX10, maybe they'll start using openGL(Doom3 engine still looks good) so we'll see what happen's
March 10, 2006 2:45:58 PM

Just because a card cannot support DX10, doesn't make that card immediately obsolete. Sure, maybe the eye candy won't be there as much if one did have a DX10 card, but the DX9 cards should still be able to run the games w/o breaking a sweat. I was using a DX7 card on games that wanted DX9 for a long time.

Could it be possible, that if someone buys a DX9 card to flash the cards BIOS and up it to DX10? Just wondering if that'd be even remotely possible...
March 10, 2006 2:55:55 PM

Yall think $375-400 even would be a good price for an eVGA 7800GTX 512?
March 10, 2006 3:37:05 PM

Yeah im getting a Pair of these bad boys as well with my new build
* aSUS A8N- sli PREMIUM
* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
* (case:)  LIAN-LI 2100B PLUS
* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Fatal1ty
* 4 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
* 5x 250GB maxtor's Raid mode 5 for storrage
* 1KW PC power and Cooling
*2 SETS OF Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs)
* Sony 21" CRT Trinitron

1.6 tb OF SPACE!

but once DX10 cards hit the market ill be jumping to them as well as the AM2 fx-62
March 10, 2006 7:25:07 PM

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Rate my new comp:

* Asustek S939 nForce4 SLI X16 ATX A L R motherboard
* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
* (case:)  ThermalTake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA +Liquid cooling
* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro soundcard
* Pioneer DVR-110 DVD Burner x 2
* 2 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
* Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 THX speakers
* 600W Enermax SLi ready power supply
* Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs = 4GB - ready for Vista)
* Logitech gaming keyboard
* Razer Copperhead mouse
* Hyundaï Q90U 2.4ms LCD monitor (and looking for big CRT for best display quality)
* and a bunch of water cooling kit.
* (scanner and printer)

Cost me a fortune, but I slowly saved up for years, and now was the time to buy for me.


Sweet setup bro, dont listen to the haters. Of course if you wait 6 months from now this hardware will be half the price, its the nature of PC hardware. When you drive a brand new car off the lot it loses alot of value, does that mean we should never buy a new car?

Im with you and ive been waiting about 3 1/2 years to upgrade and now is the time for ME also. Im looking at pretty much the exact same setup. Ill list what im getting and pick on the stuff thats a bit overkill for you to get IMO.

* Asustek S939 nForce4 SLI X16 ATX A L R motherboard
Same board, I was told DFI is the best but im not sure I wanna deal with the nightmare setup stories I hear about this Mobo.

* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
Same on the CPU even though I was told to get the X2 4800 and im considering it. Its a dual core CPU and the exact same chip but 200Mhz slower with a savings of $400.

* (case:)  ThermalTake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA +Liquid cooling
Same case, good stuff.

* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
Same setup except im getting EVGA instead.

* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro soundcard
Not needed, Just get the X-fi 7.1 Platnium Ed and save some $$

* Pioneer DVR-110 DVD Burner x 2
X2? Why get 2 burners? Your not gonna burn 2 items at the same time and you only need a reader to burn one to another. Waste of money I think.

* 2 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
Also a waste of money. 1 Raptor and 1 500 Gig HDD would be fine. One for storage and one for game installs.

* Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 THX speakers
Dont know, probably good. I dont need speakers.

* 600W Enermax SLi ready power supply
Enermax 660W PSU is better. Thats what im getting.

* Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs = 4GB - ready for Vista)
4 Gig is nice, but I think its 2 Gig to much. 2 gig is fine and unless your planning on doing overclocking you dont need to spend the cash on these chips. TWINX2048-4000PT is what im getting.

* Logitech gaming keyboard
Dont need one.

* Razer Copperhead mouse
Dont need one.

* Hyundaï Q90U 2.4ms LCD monitor (and looking for big CRT for best display quality)
Get the Dell 24 inch LCD widescreen. Its AWESOME for $800.

* and a bunch of water cooling kit.
I hope your gonna overclock like a Mofo because you really dont need to waste your money unless you are. Just get one of those Giant 120MM heat sink fans. They cool enough for some mild OCing.
* (scanner and printer)

Cool, also dont need one for me.

Good luck with the PC but consider saving yourself some money. Just because you have it doesnt mean you need to spend it all.

Set aside the saving from this PC and you will be ahead of the game in saving for some new stuff.

But the above Rig will be awesome for the next 3 years. After that the PC will start to labor under the new technology.
March 10, 2006 8:50:53 PM

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Rate my new comp:

* Asustek S939 nForce4 SLI X16 ATX A L R motherboard
* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
* (case:)  ThermalTake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA +Liquid cooling
* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro soundcard
* Pioneer DVR-110 DVD Burner x 2
* 2 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
* Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 THX speakers
* 600W Enermax SLi ready power supply
* Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs = 4GB - ready for Vista)
* Logitech gaming keyboard
* Razer Copperhead mouse
* Hyundaï Q90U 2.4ms LCD monitor (and looking for big CRT for best display quality)
* and a bunch of water cooling kit.
* (scanner and printer)

Cost me a fortune, but I slowly saved up for years, and now was the time to buy for me.


Sweet setup bro, dont listen to the haters. Of course if you wait 6 months from now this hardware will be half the price, its the nature of PC hardware. When you drive a brand new car off the lot it loses alot of value, does that mean we should never buy a new car?

Im with you and ive been waiting about 3 1/2 years to upgrade and now is the time for ME also. Im looking at pretty much the exact same setup. Ill list what im getting and pick on the stuff thats a bit overkill for you to get IMO.

* Asustek S939 nForce4 SLI X16 ATX A L R motherboard
Same board, I was told DFI is the best but im not sure I wanna deal with the nightmare setup stories I hear about this Mobo.

* AMD Athlon 64 FX60 dual core CPU
Same on the CPU even though I was told to get the X2 4800 and im considering it. Its a dual core CPU and the exact same chip but 200Mhz slower with a savings of $400.

* (case:)  ThermalTake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA +Liquid cooling
Same case, good stuff.

* BFG GEFORCE 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E... x 2 (for SLI)
Same setup except im getting EVGA instead.

* Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro soundcard
Not needed, Just get the X-fi 7.1 Platnium Ed and save some $$

* Pioneer DVR-110 DVD Burner x 2
X2? Why get 2 burners? Your not gonna burn 2 items at the same time and you only need a reader to burn one to another. Waste of money I think.

* 2 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm... for RAID 0
Also a waste of money. 1 Raptor and 1 500 Gig HDD would be fine. One for storage and one for game installs.

* Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 THX speakers
Dont know, probably good. I dont need speakers.

* 600W Enermax SLi ready power supply
Enermax 660W PSU is better. Thats what im getting.

* Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO (2 x twinX 1Gb matched pairs = 4GB - ready for Vista)
4 Gig is nice, but I think its 2 Gig to much. 2 gig is fine and unless your planning on doing overclocking you dont need to spend the cash on these chips. TWINX2048-4000PT is what im getting.

* Logitech gaming keyboard
Dont need one.

* Razer Copperhead mouse
Dont need one.

* Hyundaï Q90U 2.4ms LCD monitor (and looking for big CRT for best display quality)
Get the Dell 24 inch LCD widescreen. Its AWESOME for $800.

* and a bunch of water cooling kit.
I hope your gonna overclock like a Mofo because you really dont need to waste your money unless you are. Just get one of those Giant 120MM heat sink fans. They cool enough for some mild OCing.
* (scanner and printer)

Cool, also dont need one for me.

Good luck with the PC but consider saving yourself some money. Just because you have it doesnt mean you need to spend it all.

Set aside the saving from this PC and you will be ahead of the game in saving for some new stuff.

But the above Rig will be awesome for the next 3 years. After that the PC will start to labor under the new technology.


not really 3 years... once DX10 games hit (end of the year) youll be left out in the COLD
March 10, 2006 10:04:59 PM

I would like to chime in here and clear a few things up. First of all about the DFI board, it depends which one. The issues running around is the the DFI Lanparty UT Expert/Venus and the 12/07 bios. The 12/07 bios is crashign systems with SLI and causing instablility in the ones that can boot. The problem is 98% resolved when you revert back to the 11/02 bios that were first released. I run the UT Expert and have 0 issues with it on teh 11/02 but it is not for the faint of heart. It is complicated, fast, and tempermental. Only get it if you plan to OC, simple as that.

I would get the eVGA 7900GTX if possible, the only reason is that thier 90 day step it up program is sweet, all though idk if 90 days will get you to june and the 8xxx series launch. I bought the 7800GTX's in dec and i am about 80 days into my 90 period and just tossed my order in for the upgrade.

As for the keyboard and mouse, I would go with the Logitech G3 keyboard (i cant remember the # so 3 maybe wrong lol) and the Logitech G5 laser mouse. The mouse is ridiculously awesome. Its fluid, weight adjustable, no batteries, resolution switchable, accurate and comfratable. The keyboard is elegent, BIG, has a nice little display, is backlit and provides a disable windows button key so you can't accidently hit the windows button and crash your game. :) 

4GB is OVERKILL for Ram flat out. The most I've ever used on my 2GB is 80% and that was with 2 isntances of Lineage II running @ 1280x1024 4xAA and AIM up too. BF2 routinely runs 65-75% Ram.

I personaly own a samsung 204T 20.1" LCD and its smooth and huge. IDK what your budget is (doubt you have one with that hardware list lol) but its $650 and is native 1600x1200. As for a printer (just because i jsut boguht one) might want to look at the HP Deskjet 6980 (i think thats the model #) its about $150 and has wireless networking built in, a big plus for me.

I haven't heard anything bad about Enermax PSU's but don't forget about FSP grp, they make one bad ass PSU. Lets put it this way, I monitored my CPU core voltage from CPU-Z and it didn't flucate ever.... the only time it did was when I overvolted my CPU a bit too far (1.8v ish lol).
March 11, 2006 11:41:27 AM

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not really 3 years... once DX10 games hit (end of the year) youll be left out in the COLD


Yeah, a 3k computer will be rendered useless by the end of the year.

Nigga please 8)
March 11, 2006 11:54:57 AM

I think JohnnyL8 has a rig that will last him a good while - when DX10 ships and it's the sh*t, then all he does is sell is 7900GTX's and get a G80 or two. The CPU/Mobo/Ram ought to last quite some time as they always do.
March 11, 2006 12:22:51 PM

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I think JohnnyL8 has a rig that will last him a good while - when DX10 ships and it's the sh*t, then all he does is sell is 7900GTX's and get a G80 or two. The CPU/Mobo/Ram ought to last quite some time as they always do.


Yup


Im gonna scale down my PC and not get the SLI. Im gonna stick with 1 Vid card for now.

Then 6-10 months from now when DX10 is out ill think about getting another Vid if needed and go SLI then.


SLI is probably a waste of money at this time due to the looming large leaps in technology arriving within the next year.
March 11, 2006 12:54:58 PM

That's a shame; the Geforce 8 series will be out in June!
March 11, 2006 2:34:27 PM

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That's a shame; the Geforce 8 series will be out in June!


and STILL will not be DX10 ready.... So I guess no one will buy those either. :) 
March 11, 2006 4:23:02 PM

The 7800GT/7900GT should be 150$ by now.
March 11, 2006 4:48:32 PM

Not quite.
March 13, 2006 10:49:37 AM

About the peripherals:

What's the appeal of the Dell 24 inch LCD widescreen? I should probably have said that I've built this PC solely for the intention of performance gaming. The monitor has to be FAST, not necessarily ultra high resolution (I wouldn't be looking at LCD technology for that). Only monitors with a 1-3ms response time are good enough for gaming, and even then, that's borderline good compared to CRT's. The fast LCD monitors still have noticeable blur when moving images are displayed, despite what any 'calculations' of effective refresh rates might indicate.

The Razer Copperhead mouse is a marvel for gaming. Just plugging the mouse in and playing doesn't give you more accuracy (contrary to the beliefs of most reviewers) - you have to change settings to get the higher accuracy out. Turn the in-game software mouse sensitivity down (reduces the size of step motion), and the Razer mouse sensitivity up (on-the-fly and in-game with the drivers - increases the number of steps per hand motion), and you effectively increase the resolution of the mouse in game. That is, when you move the cursor, you can see that the pixel step motion is much finer, thus increasing your accuracy. Mouse 'reviewers' and everyone else I've listened to don't seem to have noticed this. Even Toms' way of testing whether a mouse is more accurate is to say, "oh, we tried to aim and shoot, and it 'felt' better, therefore it DEFINATELY is more accurate". And then they apologise for missing a major and obvious bug with a mouse e.g. the famous Logitech MX1000 delay issue. Noone can review mice properly from what I've seen. The copperhead is the best gaming mouse available; every feature has a measurable effect e.g. 1000Hz USB bus speed increase - no review has said explicitly what effects that has in game.

The Logitech gaming keyboard is simply a feature-rich marvel, and oozes quality.

The two WD15000's in Raid 0 are amazing. Levels load in games SO fast. I'd wait AGES for something to load up before, and now the old games' levels are almost instant, and the newer games' big levels are just a few seconds - 10s maybe for UT2004.
March 13, 2006 9:50:55 PM

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About the peripherals:

What's the appeal of the Dell 24 inch LCD widescreen? I should probably have said that I've built this PC solely for the intention of performance gaming. The monitor has to be FAST, not necessarily ultra high resolution (I wouldn't be looking at LCD technology for that). Only monitors with a 1-3ms response time are good enough for gaming, and even then, that's borderline good compared to CRT's. The fast LCD monitors still have noticeable blur when moving images are displayed, despite what any 'calculations' of effective refresh rates might indicate.

The Razer Copperhead mouse is a marvel for gaming. Just plugging the mouse in and playing doesn't give you more accuracy (contrary to the beliefs of most reviewers) - you have to change settings to get the higher accuracy out. Turn the in-game software mouse sensitivity down (reduces the size of step motion), and the Razer mouse sensitivity up (on-the-fly and in-game with the drivers - increases the number of steps per hand motion), and you effectively increase the resolution of the mouse in game. That is, when you move the cursor, you can see that the pixel step motion is much finer, thus increasing your accuracy. Mouse 'reviewers' and everyone else I've listened to don't seem to have noticed this. Even Toms' way of testing whether a mouse is more accurate is to say, "oh, we tried to aim and shoot, and it 'felt' better, therefore it DEFINATELY is more accurate". And then they apologise for missing a major and obvious bug with a mouse e.g. the famous Logitech MX1000 delay issue. Noone can review mice properly from what I've seen. The copperhead is the best gaming mouse available; every feature has a measurable effect e.g. 1000Hz USB bus speed increase - no review has said explicitly what effects that has in game.

The Logitech gaming keyboard is simply a feature-rich marvel, and oozes quality.

The two WD15000's in Raid 0 are amazing. Levels load in games SO fast. I'd wait AGES for something to load up before, and now the old games' levels are almost instant, and the newer games' big levels are just a few seconds - 10s maybe for UT2004.


I had a 9800PRO running at 1600x1050 with very little blur if any.

The Dell 24 inch LCD is an awesome monitor and better yet as far as gaming goes WIDESCREEN. More and more games are going widescreen these days due to public demand.

Also space is an issue. I hated having a huge 21 inch CRT on my desk. Very old school looking.


As to the HDD's if you want to spend $700 so your games load up 5 seconds faster than a single Raptor....... More power to ya! I would spend that extra $350 elsewhere.

Hold off on the dual Vid cards also unless you got money to piss away in 6-8 months when the DX10 Vid cards release. I bought 1 and im waiting for them and then im going with the dual solution.

Otherwise sweet system... See my new system below.
March 14, 2006 12:39:22 AM

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The monitor has to be FAST, not necessarily ultra high resolution (I wouldn't be looking at LCD technology for that). Only monitors with a 1-3ms response time are good enough for gaming, and even then, that's borderline good compared to CRT's. The fast LCD monitors still have noticeable blur when moving images are displayed, despite what any 'calculations' of effective refresh rates might indicate.


You do realize that 1ms is 1/1000th of a second?

You do realize that 1-3ms is actually faster than the time it takes a bee's wing to make a complete cycle? They can move at 5ms. Can you see those wings as still images? I don't think so. A typical camera flash is 1-2ms. Can you actually see the blub glowing before it flashes and releases the energy? Comeon. The human eye cannot tell the difference in response times that quickly! Setting shutter 1/125th is a response time of 8ms. These times are to give you an idea of how fast you're claiming makes a huge difference.

Now, this would be completely different if we're talking about 16-24ms. Then you'll start getting some ghosting effects in FPS games, depending on the POV. Anything higher then it's just nasty. I've got a Samsung 930b 19" LCD that has a response times of 8ms. I have no ghosting at all on my games. The fact they say 8ms, is actually the response time of a full cycle from black -> white -> black. So technically, it's only 4ms from black -> white.


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The Razer Copperhead mouse is a marvel for gaming. Just plugging the mouse in and playing doesn't give you more accuracy (contrary to the beliefs of most reviewers) - you have to change settings to get the higher accuracy out. Turn the in-game software mouse sensitivity down (reduces the size of step motion), and the Razer mouse sensitivity up (on-the-fly and in-game with the drivers - increases the number of steps per hand motion), and you effectively increase the resolution of the mouse in game. That is, when you move the cursor, you can see that the pixel step motion is much finer, thus increasing your accuracy. Mouse 'reviewers' and everyone else I've listened to don't seem to have noticed this. Even Toms' way of testing whether a mouse is more accurate is to say, "oh, we tried to aim and shoot, and it 'felt' better, therefore it DEFINATELY is more accurate". And then they apologise for missing a major and obvious bug with a mouse e.g. the famous Logitech MX1000 delay issue. Noone can review mice properly from what I've seen. The copperhead is the best gaming mouse available; every feature has a measurable effect e.g. 1000Hz USB bus speed increase - no review has said explicitly what effects that has in game.


I just didn't like the fit. It didn't fit my hand right and felt very uncomfortable. Now the logitech G7 I love. It fits my hand just right. As far as 1kHz increase in the bus speed of a USB device, I find that very hard to believe. The bandwidth assoicated with USB 2.0 is around 60MB/sec, or euqal to 60Mhz. So visibly we're talking 60,000,000. Now you say that there's a 1kHz increase on this bandwidth which would make it 60.001MB/sec or 60,001,000 Hz That's a very, very, very, small marginal increase. Roughly ~0.002% increase.

Something doesn't sound right. Where'd you get that information that it increases the bandwidth 1kHz? I've studied frequencies in my IT/Network major and am an avid amature radio operator. As far as I know certain mediums have a fixed maximum bandwidth and cannot be increased...

I'm positive the USB Serial Interface is like this.

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The Logitech gaming keyboard is simply a feature-rich marvel, and oozes quality.


Yes, I agree and I absolutely LOVE my Logitech keyboard. My cousin HATES his Microsoft keybord - big surprise there.
March 14, 2006 12:57:43 AM

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Nice!!! Don't forget to post a pic and results for us who can't afford to buy them cards. Im a BFG man as well but the Evga is the most powerful but BFG is just reliable and has lifetime warranty. So either of the two is a good deal. Good luck man and have fun with your new toy.


Hook the brother up!!! :D 


evga has a lifetime warentee now also.
March 14, 2006 1:00:18 AM

I agree with you Double, 1-3ms is ridiculous for a LCD monitor. I have a Samsung 201T with 1600x1200 native res and 16ms response and I recieve little blur. The only blur I've seen compliments the Need For Speed Most Wanted game and I see none in BF2. I've seen LCD's with >16ms response and it gets ugly. I wouldn't trade my monitor for a widescreen or one with 8ms bc I'm happy with mine.
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