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March 10, 2006 9:09:59 PM

ok as of now i wanna get the Antec Performance TX1050B

its 125$$ and comes with a smart power 500w

its a good case but i found a few other that are pretty good too so i need ur help which case would be good for me?

i plan to OC and get SLi

also its its a case w/o a PSU its gotta be under $75 cuz i dont wanna spend over 150 on a case and PSU and a 500w PSU is like..75 bucks

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March 11, 2006 6:52:42 PM

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March 11, 2006 6:58:53 PM

I would not recomment the smart power series, especially if intent is for good overclokcing results... tho it is not nec a bad psu...
The TruePower series are the premium line for Antec.

I have the following...
Lian Li PC-60plus Black Aluminum Case (w/TR-3B Black Thermometer/Fan Controller 3.5” bay)
Opteron 175 (2x 2.42 GHz, 2MB cache, Socket 939, .09 micron, E6 stepping, OSA175DAA6CD)
ThermalTake BigWaterSE 12cm liquid cooling system complete kit
Asus A8R-MVP Motherboard (ATI Radeon Xpress 200 CrossFire, socket 939, SATA2)
HiS X1800XT Graphics Card (625 MHz/700 MHz OC core/1500 Mhz/1600 MHz OC mem, Dual DL-DVI VIVO 512 MB PCIe)
ATI TV Theater 550 PRO Tuner (PCI TV and FM Tuner)
4x 512MB Corsair Micro Xpert DDR RAM (2-3-3-8-2T (spd 2-2-2-5-1T) TwinXP 1024-3200XL)
2x 74gig Western Digital Raptor Hard Drives RAID-0 (WD740GD RAID0 150gig Boot Drive)
2x 250gig Western Digital Caviar SE16 Hard Drives (WD2500KS storage and data)
Plextor 716AL Black 16x DVD/CD Burner (IDE slot loading type)
Antec TP-II 550 Power Supply (550 Watt ATX12V v2.0 PSU)
Dell 2405FPW 24-inch LCD Monitor (UltraSharp Wide Aspect Flat Panel Display)
Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan
Case Fans (SilenX 120mm intake, Adda 120mm exhaust blower, SilenX 92mm exhaust and SilenX 80mm Fan)

Anyway, the fastest stable overclock I can reach is 2680; I seem to hit a brick wall at around 2700 MHz.
Whether I use 11x250 or 10x270 or even 10.5x260 it fails to boot, but if I back it down 5MHz things work pretty good, and it makes no difference at settings CAS 2.5 or 3, using 3, 3, 8, 3, or with just 2 stick or RAM; either way, around 2680 is my overclock limit. But this system is quick and stable; I keep it normally at 2420 MHz (11x220 at 2, 2, 6, 2) 2.8 volts for now. I am pretty sure the overclock limit is the processor and not the memory, but would have liked to see top out well better than a 20% stable overclock with this system, considering the components.
It does hit pretty high according to FutureMark’s results ~ 4,935 3DMarks06 and 9,881 marks in 3DMark05.

I am looking at upgrading motherboard to the A8R32-MVP with the FSP Epsilon 700watt PSU to see if I can o/c higher, since currently, overclocking at system max, the 5 and 3.3 volt starts dropping a little low due too pushing limits of current 550watt PSU... I hope that it is one reason I can not break 2.7GHz
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March 11, 2006 7:33:58 PM

Will you be lugging this PC around, or just stick it in a hole and let it run?

I like Antec cases, I have several, including the Sonata and 1040s. Look at cooling - does it support large (120mm) fans, at least 2?

I agree with comments about thrown in PSs - many retailers throw in PS to sell a case. I use them for spares and troubleshooting on the bench.

My next case will likely be the Antec P180.
March 11, 2006 7:37:16 PM

yah but i dont plan to OC right away maybe wait a few months when i really need it

i prolly wont lug it around and if i do i dont mind carrying something big i just want good quality for a fair price that means under 80 bucks(w/o a PSU) with good airflow
March 11, 2006 8:11:27 PM

My point about lugging it around has more to do with quality construction and not weight. The better made cases have better fit and finish and reinforced corners. The cases do no flex and warp - which causes undue stress on the motherboard.
March 12, 2006 12:10:53 AM

yah i dont want something lcheap if i poke it it lops over and breaks i want something that will last for years and something with a timeless design where it will look nice everywhere everytime (ie sleek things like the P180)

i wont get th eP180 cuz ppl (reviewers) say the alkuminum warps over time and i want a long lasting case not one that will melt in 6 months
March 12, 2006 2:07:34 AM

What reviews said it warps? If it warps, it is because it is not properly reinforced or is handled roughly. A good case will not warp. The P180 is a good case.
March 12, 2006 4:23:16 AM

Quote:
ok as of now i wanna get the Antec Performance TX1050B

its 125$$ and comes with a smart power 500w

its a good case but i found a few other that are pretty good too so i need ur help which case would be good for me?

i plan to OC and get SLi

also its its a case w/o a PSU its gotta be under $75 cuz i dont wanna spend over 150 on a case and PSU and a 500w PSU is like..75 bucks



Thats going to be hard finding good hardware for just $150 bones. My best advice from this point would be save a little more ( $250 ) that way you will have better options for better hardware! But what ever you do don't skimp on the PSU! ( when I plan a build, I over do the PSU and Case for future upgradeing! Things I look at are room inside the case, airflow and fans, quality, and lastly, looks! ) I know that I'm not much help to you bro but its your taste and your $$$.
March 12, 2006 11:36:24 AM

I agree with this. Why spend many hundreds or several thousands of dollars on a motherboard, CPU, RAM, and video, then throw cheap power at it and expect it to run rock solid stable? This is like buying no-name gas from an unmarked fuel truck in a back alley and putting it in your brand new BMW!

I also agree with the comments about the case - looks comes last - especially if on a budget. If interested in looks, buy a better monitor and video card - that is, unless you plan on looking at the PC all day instead of the display. After all, for the vast majority of users, the PC is shoved in a cubby hole, or on the floor out of the way.

And remember, fancy lights inside the case do absolutely nothing for performance, they actually produce some heat, they draw power from the power supply, and, since they are usually pretty low tech, have been known to introduce electronic noise into circuits - in particular, the audio circuits - not a good thing.
March 12, 2006 2:49:21 PM

no i hate lights

im on a budget and the im not gonna go SLi yet so a 500w Smart Power PSU would do me fine (i think)

man now i got 2 choices

Sonata II or Performance TX 1050B

i like the room in the TX but i also like quiet things, both have good air flow, which would be better for:

Large heatsinks
SLi
and im only gonna run 2 HDD's max
March 12, 2006 2:50:25 PM

oh yah btw ill buy a new PSU when i get a 2nd vid card so i cna use like a 450 W PSU right now
March 12, 2006 3:10:50 PM

sry to say but u runnin SLI lol with a 500 watt well just make sure it is SLI CERT. never know when u might want to add sumthan extra and u wont have a open connector for it from ur PSU lol I sure in hell can't run both of my cards on 500 watts lol I have a SilverStone / SST-ST65ZF / 650-Watt and it does it ok ill wait till sumthan better comes out in a nice price range
March 12, 2006 3:15:18 PM

i agree its risky but if tis 2 6800GS's it'll run on a 500w antec PSU

anyways if i ever go SLi ill probably get a new PSU i just need one now sold with the case for a fair price
March 12, 2006 4:02:09 PM

Depending on your CPU and RAM, the 500W Antec with one high-end video card is fine. Note that I would much rather have a 500W Antec (or another major reputable brand) PS than a 600 watt no-name.

Also, you ask about cases and heatsinks - the motherboard (and surround capacitors) is more of a determining factor for which heatsink will fit in the case - at least on mid-tower cases.
March 12, 2006 4:09:54 PM

The key thing is if your gonna run SLI.. make sure ur psu is SLI CERT.
March 12, 2006 4:38:30 PM

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The key thing is if your gonna run SLI.. make sure ur psu is SLI CERT.
I agree - sort of.

Note that nVidia would want you to make sure that every component you buy has the SLi Ready certification label - but it does not and don't be fooled into thinking it does. The actual SLi Ready label only means the makers submitted their hardware to nVidia for testing - PAID A TESTING FEE - and now gets to wear the label. Microsoft does the same thing for Certified drivers but many makers refuse to pay MS when they know their product will work.

If the power supply you want meets these nVidia "recommendations" and has the required connection to power your board, then you are okay.
March 12, 2006 4:52:51 PM

true!!! also i just suggested SLI Cert. cause not many other PSU have the Dedicated PCI connectors gives u more options on whats else u wanna power up with the reg 4 pin connectors!!
March 12, 2006 5:57:53 PM

the PSU with the TX1050B has 2 pCI-e connectors it has SLi support :) 

im lookin a tthe sunbeam silent storm seems good
March 12, 2006 8:15:49 PM

It seems like a nice case but there's a common complaint in some of the reviews about the mounting bar being in the way - I think that would bother me too.

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/cases/Sunbeam_Si...

Plus, once you've had a PC with a good filter, you would not want one without. The Sunbeam does not have one.
March 12, 2006 9:40:44 PM

true so which should i go with?

Antec TX1080B
or Sonata II

i would be willing to pay few dollars more for the P150 but newegg reviewers are saying the Neo HE 430w is pretty crappy
March 13, 2006 1:45:40 AM

I think the 1080 is not available in the US - the 1088 is available here though.

As far as which is better - the Sonata is built with low noise as a priority, it has 1 less 5.25 drive bay, is 10lbs lighter and 4 inches shorter. Other than that, I expect the build quality to be the same. Since I know I will never need 4 5.25 bays, and I value low-noise, I would go with the Sonata.

I would also not base my case decision on what power supply comes with it. I have several supplies that came in cases that were immediately pulled and replaced with the PS of my choice - that's just one of those things, like buying new tires and rims - even though the originals that came with the car are still good.
March 13, 2006 2:07:06 AM

newegg sells the 1080B

well i want it to be spacious enough for a few HDD and 2 gfx cards and still have good cooling

i dunno the sonata is nice but so is the 1080B
March 13, 2006 2:18:37 AM

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newegg sells the 1080B
I don't think so - at least I just searched again and of the 28 cases (ATX and server) I don't see the 1080B on NewEgg - please provide a link.
March 13, 2006 12:54:30 PM

Something else to consider with tall cases and that is cables - your power supply may have problems reaching devices and some data cables may have to be extended too. Often, the runs to the front panel I/O in tall cases are very long.
March 13, 2006 9:22:04 PM

Screw the dumb stuff man Just buy a Thermaltake Armor case..................BIG ,GAUTY, and Ready for Expansion.....lol Plus you can have it at the door for like 160ish If whatever you plan to do in the next 5 years wont fit in there you need to just wait......lol I just really like mine sorry.
March 13, 2006 9:31:15 PM

me too i liek the armor but it stoo expensive

AHRRHRGGHHGRGHHGRGHRH


ok i read reviews on the TX1050B and 1088AMG

the AMG has a TruePower 2.0 480w
the 1050B has SmartPower II 500w

which PSU is better?

true power or smart power?
a c 158 ) Power supply
March 14, 2006 1:33:00 PM

Truepower is better than Smartpower.
March 14, 2006 2:28:43 PM

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i wont get th eP180 cuz ppl (reviewers) say the alkuminum warps over time and i want a long lasting case not one that will melt in 6 months


Having built 3 computers using the P180 - I would have to say BS to that. I have has no warping - and I love the layout of the case.
March 14, 2006 2:52:39 PM

Pengwin I recommend this COOLERMASTER case

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119077

Terrific airflow, toolless straight forward design, sleek and classy looking with a window. Great price, pick out your own PSU!

Ive been using this case for a couple months with no regrets what-so-ever. It comes with a 120mm exhaust fan and an 80mm intake right in front of the hard drive to keep that cool. I add an additional 120mm intake right underneath my DVD drive, it blows directly over my memory and CPU then straight out the rear exhaust. I couldnt be happier![/img]
March 14, 2006 3:30:49 PM

I don't know if you're still looking at the Sonata-II, but the case is only quiet if you follow their guidelines. I guarantee you that if you run a SLI setup in this case or install additional cooling it will not be quiet.

It's a good case, but if you are looking for maximum expandability, you may want to go with a different case.
March 14, 2006 3:35:37 PM

Here's your best value for a case, the Coolermaster Wavemaster TAC-T01. There's lots of reviews for this out there if you want to find them. I'm thinking about getting one myself. Geeks.com has it priced for $69 but has them on sale about every day for $64. Newegg has the same case for $129.50. I e-mailed them about this at Geeks and they said the only difference is that theirs is in a generic box. They sell the same case in the Coolermaster box for $81.50, which is still cheaper than Newegg by a long shot.

Geeks.com

Newegg.com
March 14, 2006 5:08:37 PM

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I don't know if you're still looking at the Sonata-II, but the case is only quiet if you follow their guidelines. I guarantee you that if you run a SLI setup in this case or install additional cooling it will not be quiet.
Now wait! That's not a fair statement! ANY case will fail if you don't follow the maker's guidlines. And adding tons of noise producing devices will make any PC louder. A top quality, low noise 120mm fan can be added to the front of the Sonata and still be quiet if used with a fan controller.

The fact is, a Sonata with SLi is still likely to be quieter than other cases not designed with noise limiting in mind.

And maximum expandabilty only means you can add more drives - it does not address fit and finish, sharp edges, removable drive bays, reinforced corners, access, sheet metal thickness - all of which the Antec is noted for.
March 14, 2006 5:28:59 PM

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I don't know if you're still looking at the Sonata-II, but the case is only quiet if you follow their guidelines. I guarantee you that if you run a SLI setup in this case or install additional cooling it will not be quiet.
Now wait! That's not a fair statement! ANY case will fail if you don't follow the maker's guidlines. And adding tons of noise producing devices will make any PC louder. A top quality, low noise 120mm fan can be added to the front of the Sonata and still be quiet if used with a fan controller.

The fact is, a Sonata with SLi is still likely to be quieter than other cases not designed with noise limiting in mind.

And maximum expandabilty only means you can add more drives - it does not address fit and finish, sharp edges, removable drive bays, reinforced corners, access, sheet metal thickness - all of which the Antec is noted for.

You must have taken what I said wrong. Notice the sig. I own this case and I love this case, but his original post said he planned on OC'ing and running SLI. If he got a Sonata-II with the intent of it being quiet, then it won't. It may still be quieter than other cases, but it certainly won't be quiet. The manual doesn't even recommend installing a second fan. As for expandability, that is why I italicized the word "maximum", otherwise the case is fine for a typical setup.
March 14, 2006 6:24:29 PM

Take a look at the Silverstone TJ06. I used this case (black) for the last 3 builds I did and it's a great case. It's sort of a cross ATX/BTX design as the mobo is inverted from it's normal position in an ATX case. Puts the mem and cpu in a wind tunnel between two 120mm fans instead of high up next to the PSU. Beware tho of PSU's with short length connectors as they need to reach much further than usual.

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March 14, 2006 7:49:05 PM

the silver stone ...expensive..aero cool makes an $85 version with a wind tunnel


the Cooler Master looks ok but a TX1088AMG is better deal and honestlyi dont eally like how the Coolermaster looks, also no dust filters which i hear are really awesome

so now i think its between

TX10888AMG - has better cooling than the cooler master
-2 x 80mm front
-120mm in the back
-92mm CPU duct fan OR remove the duct and place a 120mm fan
-80mm fan over VGA slots
-also a 480w TruePower 2 PSU

Antec Sonata II
- 1 120mm front and one in th eback
-80mm fan over VGA
-92mm over CPU
-450w SmartPower

Antec P150
-2 x 92mm front
-120mm fan rear
-430w NeoHE PSU
March 15, 2006 1:15:36 AM

Pengwin the COOLERMASTER case I suggested DOES have a dust filter. The whole front of the case is a dust filter! Behind all those preforations is a dust filter from top to bottom. I have the case, trust me.
March 15, 2006 9:06:49 PM

hmm

dunno doesnt look too great tho..also the antec ha sbetter cooling becasue o fjust havin a Duct u can install a fan in it also the holes over the vga cards u can mount an 80mm fan on the antec unlike the coolermaster
a c 158 ) Power supply
March 16, 2006 11:32:46 AM

Googd luck getting the duct to line up with anything. :/  I have the case and the duct has been removed and thrown into the spare parts pile.
March 16, 2006 8:01:03 PM

u can remove the duct and put a 120mm fan :) 
a c 158 ) Power supply
March 16, 2006 8:07:27 PM

I could....but there is no reason. I've added no fans to the case and i'm using the stock AMD HSF. While folding with a 15% OC I have a 36C CPU temp. :cool:
March 16, 2006 9:09:37 PM

ok so the TX1088AMG/1080B is a good case
a c 158 ) Power supply
March 17, 2006 10:37:19 AM

They are good cases.
March 17, 2006 7:07:30 PM

alrighty

now it comes down to which one?

both collors are find

gray one has a 480w TruePower vs black one has a 500w Smart Power
March 17, 2006 11:38:16 PM

Alot of good stuff can be found from Aspire. Although the Antec's look pretty good, I still wouldn't trust built in power supplies no matter what they were. If they call it a TruePower, it might just be a cheap knock-off that they can call a TruePower. Separating the case and PSU is probably the safest choice, and it can be cheaper sometimes.

I'm probably not gonna change your mind from your precious Antec's, but I personally am loving the X-Plorer case from Aspire and the Fortron AX500-A 500W.

X-Plorer
Fortron

Just keep in mind that everything has a downside, otherwise everyone would be buying the same thing.
March 18, 2006 12:11:30 AM

Quote:
Alot of good stuff can be found from Aspire. Although the Antec's look pretty good, I still wouldn't trust built in power supplies no matter what they were. If they call it a TruePower, it might just be a cheap knock-off that they can call a TruePower. Separating the case and PSU is probably the safest choice, and it can be cheaper sometimes.

I'm probably not gonna change your mind from your precious Antec's, but I personally am loving the X-Plorer case from Aspire and the Fortron AX500-A 500W.

X-Plorer
Fortron

Just keep in mind that everything has a downside, otherwise everyone would be buying the same thing.


would never get the X-Plorer not my kind of case, mayb e the navigator sinc eits big and has a ton of fans

also the PSU in the case are the ame antec PSU's antec sells retail so the PSU is of good quality i read reviews on the case and that wha tthe reviewers say

anlythign i need now are facts

is the 500w Smart Power better than a 480w TruePower?
is the 20w difference a big difference?
March 18, 2006 3:34:20 PM

Quote:
no i hate lights

im on a budget and the im not gonna go SLi yet so a 500w Smart Power PSU would do me fine (i think)

man now i got 2 choices

Sonata II or Performance TX 1050B

i like the room in the TX but i also like quiet things, both have good air flow, which would be better for:

Large heatsinks
SLi
and im only gonna run 2 HDD's max


i have the Antec Sonata 1 case. you won't be disappointed with the Antec Sonata 2. the Sonata series is a very solid and durable case and high quality.
March 18, 2006 4:24:22 PM

ok but i think im goin with the TX 1088 since a Trupower 480w is better than a SmartPower 500w, dont realyl care for colors both are good colors
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