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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:07:13 +0100, "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy>
wrote:
>Richard wrote:
>> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote:
>>
>> (SNIP previous statements for brevity)
>>>
>>> If i'll want my grand children to see any of those photos, i will
>>> took them to the lab and so they will last ages...cheaper, better.
>>> But, like i said, all above can be adjusted- while 'seeing' overall
>>> quality is the matter of human eye - i see different than you, also
>>> different inks react differently on same paper. i think most true
>>> would be to print with Epson on Epson's paper, with Canon on Canon's
>>> etc...
>>>
>>
>> That is very easy to say, but which ones would you choose? The
>> selection of photos that survived from my relatives are very few and I
>> am certain that no one "selected" these photos, they were just some
>> that happened to survive the years.
>> I doubt many here will create such an archive since we could not know
>> which photos anyone might find of great interest. In any case you say
>> you will go to a photo lab for long lasting prints which is fine but
>> you do realize that the Epson 800 prints photos using Epson ink and
>> Epson paper that are projected to last in a photo album anywhere
>> between 110 years to greater than 400 years depending upon which Epson
>> paper is used? See
>>
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/WIR_Ep_R800_2004_12_03.pdf .
>>
>> While I personally think this time frame is optimistic it certainly is
>> far better than any photo lab print of which I am personally aware and
>> most certainly better than Canon. The Canon printers are excellent,
>> print beautiful photos, are reliable, inexpensive to operate and the
>> fastest currently available. I still choose the better print quality
>> of the Epson printer combined with their longevity. Printing with a
>> Canon on Canon paper using Canon ink will get you nowhere near this
>> kind of archival capability. Apparently this only matters to some of
>> us and to be perfectly honest, if I did not care about longevity then
>> it would be a more difficult choice.
>>
>> In any case, Happy New Year to you and everyone here!
>>
>> Richard
>
>It's interesting how all do the testing of all kind of other printers,
>papers etc...but i didn't see yet any review with Canon's best Photo Pro
>paper (which has Alumna layer)... someone posted one test earlier elsewhere
>and there was only one canon tester on god knows which paper, while there
>were number of Epsons. It's hard to tell the difference.
>BTW...i guess r800 do have gloss optimizer, right? And how is R800 priced
>against. let's say ip4000? I think ip4000 would be more comparable with R300
>(in price), which doesn't have gloss optimizer, so photos are not of such
>high gloss - am i right?
No Wrong, it depends on the Type of ink used, pigments ink do need it, dye
inks do not..
>Second thing...i wonder why all people say that lab photos are not so time
>resistive...i have some veeeery old lab photos and they are still more or
>less same as they used to be. Lab photos doesn't contain ink ,so they are
>not so sensitive to fading...(or are they?).
>It's just...you know...all those testers claim 100, years, 400
>years...etc...remember what they (used) to say for CDR's? 100 years, 1000
>years...while now it turned out that same can last only a few years. That's
>why i say it's impossible to predict so long period. You can't possibly
>compare lab results with reality. OK, maybe i do believe that pigmented inks
>do last longer, but dye ones make better photos. So, regarding longevity,
>Epson wins, regarding quality, Canon wins...and that's not above test
>result, but pure fact - not because of Canon, but because Canon uses dye
>ink.
>Don't get me wrong...i'm not Canon lover...i'm just an Epson hater...
))
>and as i said, when - if - my current Canon dies too soon, i'll seriously
>consider to get some other company and these thoughts WILL include
>Epson...maybe by that time they will solve clogging problems...
>
>OH, Thanks and HNY2005 to you.too!
>