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Torchlight 2 Unleashed: Is It ''More'' Than Diablo 3?

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September 22, 2012 7:31:12 PM

TL2 > D3... i played TL before D3's release and i have yet to buy D3... maybe after PvP is released... but i doubt it...
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September 22, 2012 7:39:32 PM

Diablo 3 was just a cashout for the diablo franchise. Developed by wow team and you can see that 100 miles away.
September 22, 2012 7:40:59 PM

i simply didnt get d3 because im forced to go online to play always. sorry i aint paying 60 bucks for that nonsense. my choice my money.
September 22, 2012 7:46:03 PM

IMHO, "FIALbo" III should really just rot away and die.
Especially now, when the GODLIKE Torchlight II has stepped onto the scene.
"FIALbo" III...It sucks major balls. Biggest FAIL of Blizzard since "Frozen Throne" (personal IMHO).
September 22, 2012 7:47:37 PM

THE VERY FIRST LINE, this is getting worse each article you guys put out! "Does Torchlight II have WAIT it takes to defeat Blizzard's Diablo 3 in sales and longevity?" It can't even be considered typos anymore, wait is NO WHERE near what. Seriously I don't understand.
September 22, 2012 7:48:48 PM

Don't forget that in EU Diablo III costs 60€ which is much more than 60$.
September 22, 2012 7:53:46 PM

ozvip3r said:
THE VERY FIRST LINE, this is getting worse each article you guys put out! "Does Torchlight II have WAIT it takes to defeat Blizzard's Diablo 3 in sales and longevity?" It can't even be considered typos anymore, wait is NO WHERE near what. Seriously I don't understand.

Yeah, at first I got taken aback by that too, but then I considered: maybe he meant "does the Torchlight II justifies the WAIT, to defeat Blizzard's Diablo III in sales?", forget it... :\

Don't forget that in EU Diablo III costs 60€ which is much more than 60$.

Mmmm...колбаскаааа... <3


Aside from that: 60€ = 78$.
That's three Torchlight II copies, and Torchlight II are way better than "FIALbo" III, so you can either buy one shitty game, or three copies of a really good game (or Guild Wars 2, lol).
September 22, 2012 7:55:26 PM

Im playing it on a 4500mhd, getting 25-32 fps, in boss fights i get 19-24 fps , good enough for me to play.
The game got lots of tweaks to make it work with any graphic card, and the eye candy u get when u max the game its awesome. Love the Game.
September 22, 2012 8:09:07 PM

BigMack70Can't wait to play Torchlight 2, though!

Then DO IT RIGHT NAO! Don't wait!
It's THAT good.
September 22, 2012 8:48:27 PM

diablo 3 is like apple and TL2 is like pc
September 22, 2012 9:55:02 PM

master_chen said:
Aside from that: 60€ = 78$.
That's three Torchlight II copies, and Torchlight II are way better than "FIALbo" III, so you can either buy one shitty game, or three copies of a really good game (or Guild Wars 2, lol).

It's even better than that. Steam sells a Torchlight II 4-pack for $60. So for the same price, you can LAN with 3 friends.
September 22, 2012 11:44:32 PM

^Planetside 2. Even more owned + free.
September 23, 2012 12:08:03 AM

computernerdforlifeBorderlands 2. Everyone here is owned.

Really? That's odd. Could of sworn I got both of these great games from amazing developers.
September 23, 2012 12:13:44 AM

What a big long winded article just to say "TL2 beats the crap out of D3"
September 23, 2012 12:17:46 AM

IGN Gave Diablo 3 = 95, Torchlight 2 = 91 <--seriously? These guys must be getting paid by Blizzard. IGN review suck big time anyway, they usually give low score for Indies and high score for big titles regardless of gameplay.
Top ten Hammer = Diablo 3 = 95, Torchlight 2 = 91
Gamespy = Diablo 3 4/5, Torchlight 2 = 5/5
MetaCritic = Diablo 3 = 88, Torchlight 2 = 90

So far the only socialization I can see within Torchlight II is when you connect to a multiplayer game. There you can chat with other players, but it doesn't appear to be possible when playing the single-player game. There also doesn't seem to be any kind of way to see if your friends are online when signing into the game – Steam players can tell through the external chat client.
Most Torchlight 2 are being sold from Steam anyway, so this shouldnt be a problem. With the latest steam community function, it is more "social" than u can imagine.
September 23, 2012 12:27:06 AM

Hopefully Runic Games comes out with a native Linux version. The Linux version of Torchlight was released in Humble Indie Bundle 6 but it was a third-party port. A few initial bugs but still fun (although the Alchemist is nearly useless until level 10 or so when the Lightning spell is available).
September 23, 2012 12:55:45 AM

I totally don't see where this reviewer/player thinks D3 is more social. I have more than 300 hours in play time in D3 and you have no social interaction at all in a common lobby, no way to show off your banner(something they pushed per-beta), and no way to show off your gear. In TL2, it's like D2, you can create your own game called Trade or Showoff can CREATE YOUR OWN's a social D3, you get forced into what Blizzard decides to put you into...and since the game is so linear, you have no real boss farming worth doing in a mp game. For me, I want to play TL2 for 'One more hour'. in D3, it was more about surfing the AH to find affordable gear...dumb.
September 23, 2012 1:03:50 AM

BigMack70Gonna play through Borderlands 2 first... pretty much the same concept except I get to shoot stuff instead of click my mouse a hundred thousand times. I prefer shooting.After I make it through BL2, Torchlight 2 is next on the list.

Why ?!?

I play a couple of hours of BL2 and then a couple of hours of TL2, I'm having a hard time deciding which game I like the best as they are both tops in my book.
September 23, 2012 1:35:41 AM

Diablo 3? Really? With the bar set so low any game can do well in comparison.
That said, Torchlight 2 is a great game, relative or not.
September 23, 2012 1:50:03 AM

Many hours in, TL2 and BL2 are pretty mediocre for me so far. TL2 doesn't feel as smooth, it's just overall clunkier than D3. BL2's gunplay is still very watered down, and there is the same annoying amount of downtime so drop in co-op usually involves waiting for someone to explore the map and get his quests.

I feel it's just the backlash from D3 making these games more highly regarded than they should be.
September 23, 2012 1:58:06 AM

With D3, you pay $60 for the exclusive unlimited beta testing. They even got the new Public Test Realms, for even exclusive stuff, imagine, two beta tests! I heard you will get to test PvP in the coming monthS, awesome! Once the beta is done in about 2 or 3 years, you get the game for free!
September 23, 2012 4:53:58 AM

D3 user review got bashed by online gaming requirement and all the nerdy QQ over it. I will def give TL2 a chance and go from there but it seems like the TL2 fans go out of their way to bash D3.
September 23, 2012 7:41:52 AM

Let's see....
$20 for a game I can play anytime, anywhere, and it is going to have user created content so it can go on forever (like Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim).....
$60 for a buggy game I HAVE to have internet on at all times, and if I lose my connection I lose god knows what.
I'm thinking the choice should be obvious here but I just can't put my finger on it.....
September 23, 2012 9:15:06 AM

glad there is alternative to diablo3. i have been wanting diablo3 but high price and always online keep me away from it. i will get torchlight2 when i had the money, cant wait.

i really cant wait, so i just bought it from steam... yeaaaaah, the price is right. t2 wins.
September 23, 2012 12:42:58 PM

I think it's human nature to root for the little guy - to want the creators of Diablo 2 to beat the rich copyright holders of Diablo 3.

And I guess in a lot of ways they have. Torchlight 2 does a lot of things better than Diablo 3.

However, with personal feelings and underdog sentiment put aside, and understanding how Blizzard continually tweaks and improves upon their games (and they are "all in" with Diablo 3), I feel that Diablo 3 has the potential to be the better game.
September 23, 2012 1:24:16 PM

The hate on Blizzard is placed correctly. They do not perform like the used to. They are still one of the best developers in the business, but the margin between them and everyone else is a lot smaller than it used to be. I'm a highly competitive player, but the game has to not frustrate me first. Diablo 3 does not hit my expectations of a Diablo game. Good's just not Diablo to me.
September 23, 2012 2:48:59 PM

Yep, it's between TL2 and BL2 for me right now. I don't have enough time after work to fit them both in.
September 23, 2012 3:03:01 PM

Blizzard placed the customer last with D3 (always online + rmah cut's just to pay for the always online servers - are you kidding me!?). Its an old saying "You reap what you sow" and many people who pre-purchased diablo3 got very disappointed with the game - The next blizzard game pre-purchase numbers will prove what the D3's "sowing" did to the company's once great reputation!
September 23, 2012 7:48:47 PM

i can play 1 game anytime i want and i am not turned into a gold farmer by another. No contest really.
September 23, 2012 9:40:51 PM

Diablo 3 didn't have a problem with endgame. It had a problem with nearly complete lack of content.

The maps aren't random like D1/D2, the maps are fantastically small.
Traversing the lands only takes a short while. The entire game only takes a few hours to finish, and then you're expected to play it over and over forever?

D2 was so damn long, that you spent a week on the first CD for crying out loud. D3 is like a short story.
September 23, 2012 11:44:41 PM

Been playing the TL2 demo. Played the D3 demo back in May. TL2 seems more fun--and more like a real successor to D2 (just as the original TL was).

Multiplayer? Don't care about that. Single-player only for me.
September 24, 2012 1:16:10 AM

knight_of_baawaBeen playing the TL2 demo. Played the D3 demo back in May. TL2 seems more fun--and more like a real successor to D2 (just as the original TL was).Multiplayer? Don't care about that. Single-player only for me.
u missed the better part. If u think the Act 1(in demo) is fun to u, wait till u see Act 2, it is bigger and monsters have more crazy tricks on u. get the game already.
September 24, 2012 3:07:16 AM

"wait" = what
September 24, 2012 6:34:17 AM

Borderlands 2 is simply divine...... LAN SUPPORT YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And of course graphics are ten times better than the previous one. The price of the game for what it has to offer is unbeatable.

Torchlight 2 is exactly the same. Very rich content and new improved cartoonist graphics.

And now for both games the point that most people should take under consideration. They both sell at the RIGHT PRICE for all that content they offer.

Out of respect and only these two titles have been purchases and not pirated. You want to beat piracy-earn your customers respect.
September 24, 2012 8:43:29 AM

Does torchlight II have "WAIT" it takes?
September 24, 2012 12:25:05 PM

master_chenYes! YES!GOD I LOVE THIS GAME!

Absolutely agree. A friend bought it for me at the weekend's LAN, and I sorta sit here at work wanting to play it.

PennanenDiablo 3 was just a cashout for the diablo franchise. Developed by wow team and you can see that 100 miles away.

Despite being made by the wow people, it doesn't have any of the smarts that wow has - not even a modular ui.

September 24, 2012 2:29:34 PM

Paid $80 for 2 copies of Diablo3. Beat it in 12 hours at a boringly easy difficulty (because you can't up the difficulty until you beat it). Tried to play again for the "real" game, and was bored within the first 30 minutes. Bought 4 copies of Torchlight 2 for $60. Started a LAN game because the servers were down, and played for a few hours on "Normal". Upped it to "Veteran", and started having insane amounts of fun. Later upped it to "Elite" and omg I'm in heaven. Diablo 3 didn't want you to have fun until you've beaten it a few times because Blizz wants you locked in. Torchlight 2 just wants you to have fun.

Torchlight 2 just feels like the DEVS just wanted to have fun. They didn't constrain themselves with story or atmosphere. They just said screw it, yes we will have a level where everyone has guns and it feels like a shmup, and yes we will have challenge stages where you have to manage an insane amount of adds while trying to light torches in a random order.

Torchlight 2 is the clear winner for me because it eschews money machine, lock-in, real money trash for a cake make of fun with intermediate layers of double fun and a dab of creamy fudge fundae on top.
September 24, 2012 3:17:33 PM

Torchlight 2 >>> Diablo 3 end of story.
September 24, 2012 3:51:39 PM

Torchlight 2 Unleashed: Is It ''More'' Than Diablo 3?

For me, Yes. By far.

First, the game is plenty social. I am on steam, I have my steam friends. Just because your friends are all on Real IDs does not make TL2 anti social. I would argue that with my steam community, that TL2 is just as social.

Secondly. I have the choice of playing online or off, with the same character. Blizzard went backwards from D2 to D3. In D2 we had a choice of playing online, offline, open bnet, or lan. With D3 you have one option. Bringing your laptop on a train ride with no wifi? Sorry you can't play d3. But you can play the same TL2 char that you have been playing online. This is a HUGE win for me.

Thirdly, with d3, you HAVE to spec a certain way with each class in order to survive. There is no flexibility to get through inferno. From my experience playing TL2 there are no HAVE to get skills. There are way more options for viable chars, while at the same time making them unique in game play. Want a duel wielding wand beserker? Ok.

Fourth, $20.

Fifth, Modding.

Sixth, I want to put something here about the auction house. I can't think of anything good, but I would never pay for items in a video game. So I stayed far away from it. I think there is more to write here about how TL2 has excellent flexibility with gear choices, but I cannot find the words.


When you compare the resources that Blizzard has, and the resources that Runic has, it really puts into perspective how awesome TL2 is compared to D3. It speaks volumes that these two games are even being compared on the same level.
September 24, 2012 3:52:41 PM

There are some quirks with TL2, but it doesn't take MUCH at all to have Diablo 3 uninstalled forever.

coaster of the year goes to D3.

TL2, worth my gaming time for quite some time to come.

Can't wait for TL3, 4, and 5, as they will all be out way before Diablo 4 ever does. In fact, nobody alive today will ever see Diablo 4.
September 24, 2012 4:49:24 PM

I finished D3 on Inferno, got 3 out of 5 Hardcore characters to Lvl 60, and besides that, now trying to complete buggy Achievements/Challenges. Bottom line is, there is nothing for me to come back & play again. What? Farming, bidding and selling on AH with limits. B o r i n g !

I switched on TL2 today, WOW! Simply amazing, so much color, gear, monsters, SINGLE PLAYER&LAN... wow, Runic has done it again, this time better. Highly Recommend when D3 is offline (Permanently) :-D
September 24, 2012 5:11:12 PM

I was a sucker who bought D3 because I believed, up until D3, Blizzard was a quality company that produced outstanding games (War/Starcraft series, Wow)

How is Torchlight? Is it worth the $20?
September 24, 2012 6:32:27 PM

I am an avid D3 gamer and now also started with TL2.

BOTH games have positives and negatives and i dont think it would be constructive to debate which game would be "better". TL2, although i personally am not big on its graphics, has some very cool features going for it. The loot is better, the idea with sending the pets to town to sell and buy stuff, the weapons which upgrade themselves after x kills: Just pure genius.

I have not played that many hours TL2 yet but i can pretty confidently say that on a gameplay level, TL2 is better while D3 just had the bigger budget which shows in graphics, for example. D3 the gold auction house and RM auction house could've added good things to D3, i think it backfired since the focus on the AH in D3 made it ultimately a worse game where the negatives are more than the positives. The RMAH is the reason the loot is so rotten bad in D3, items on the AH ore overpriced, many botters etc..etc..

For $20 i think TL2 is a no-brainer and i ask anyone being negative please to PLAY this game for several hours before giving an opinion, eg. solely on the graphics. Compare €60 (Euro!!) i paid for one copy of D3 for my GF and $60 for $20 for TL2.

If anything, the makers of TL2 showed the multi-million dollar company blizzard that a game can cost only $20..and it can be GOOD. And it also showed that developing a game with a main focus on "how we can we make the most money from it?" is not always the right way to go. At some point, people will get tired of running Act3 in D3 over and over again and not getting any good loot..while they could have fun instead...with TL2 instead.
September 24, 2012 7:10:46 PM

spartanmk2 said:
How is Torchlight? Is it worth the $20?

Of course. It is actually worth even more than that, IMHO. I'd buy it even if it got 40$ price, because that would be it's actual balance on price per quality and content it affords.
Simply putting: right now, when you pay 20$ for one copy of Torchlight II, you get at least 150% of quality and content for that money, but if it would've cost more, like 40~45$, then the balance would be exactly at 100%, because quality and content-wise Torchlight II is absolutely the "40~50$ dollars game", it doesn't feel "20$" at all.
So current price is an absolute steal, especially if you consider that you can buy FOUR copies-pack (15$ each) at Steam, that's FANTASTICOBULOUSO (like "Angry Joe" would say).

Aside from that...

LOL! Butthurt FIALbo III fanboys galore ITT! Giimme moar of your juicy, incompetently lame, totally noobish, gloriously kindergarten-grade level of anger! Aw yeaaaaah. >: )
September 24, 2012 8:23:07 PM

Can we quit comparing Torchlight II to Diablo III I keep hearing nothing but bad things about Diablo III so lets compare Torchlight II to something that isn't junk. Borderlands II just came out as well we should probably be using that for a comparison or at least compare Torchlight II to Diablo II as I hear it has more in common with that game than even Diablo III, which to my understanding basically just inherited the name and not any of the things which made the previous games great.
September 24, 2012 8:43:17 PM

assasin32 said:
Let's compare Torchlight II to something that isn't junk.

Divinity 3 hasn't been released yet. %))