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March 11, 2006 10:23:59 PM

It kinda bothers me how people are throwing money away just to have the best thing out there and brag about it . The question is what do you really need ? Do you need an FX-60 or Pentium EE just to play games ... Not to mention dual 500+ $ video cards ....
Just buy something moderate . It'll be obsolete in 1-2 years time anyway , no matter what you buy.
Go with a A64 Venice core , and OC it and that's that . Cheapest are just over 100 $ . Get a 100-150 $ video card and deal with it for a year or two . Then you can buy something new .
You got extra money ? Give it to charity and remember there are many people that can't even afford a PC . And no , despite of what you think it's not always because they don't work as hard as you/your parents and that's why they don't have the money .
Please consider this the next time you go out and spend thousands of $ for stuff which in a couple of years time is only going to worth hundreds .

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March 11, 2006 10:37:12 PM

Well, if people have the money, its kinda upto them how they spend it. Doesn't mean i forget about the situations of others, but i like to spend some of my well earned money onto my system. I'm quite happy with my system, which i hope i won't have to upgrade for a year or more. And besides, what some people would spend on PCs others would spend on getting stuff for their houses, or maybe cars, which is an excellent example. Why spend on a Caterham Super 7 when you'll never be able to push past the speed limit or get it to take advantage of its handling abilities. In the end of the day, each to their own, right?
March 11, 2006 10:45:14 PM

Its like any other expensive hobby, people want to keep tuning and the only way to do it is to buy more ‘stuff’ – you can only pimp out your rig so much before you have to move to something else :) 

The stuff you speced out is fine for the moderate user, but for me it would drive me crazy. I simply need more HP. Dual cores, max memory (at 2.3.5.3-1T) and so on is what I need. I still find myself tapping my fingers when I’m ripping VOB’s into DivX files and when you have more than a quarter of a terabyte waiting in the queue even an X2 4200+ seems slow.

And two big things, first, if it makes me happy then who is to tell me I’m spending my money wrong? And lastly, it is us ‘power hungry’ do-it-yourselfers that are driving the market to improve products.
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March 11, 2006 10:52:19 PM

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It kinda bothers me how people are throwing money away just to have the best thing out there and brag about it . The question is what do you really need ? Do you need an FX-60 or Pentium EE just to play games ... Not to mention dual 500+ $ video cards ....
Just buy something moderate . It'll be obsolete in 1-2 years time anyway , no matter what you buy.
Go with a A64 Venice core , and OC it and that's that . Cheapest are just over 100 $ . Get a 100-150 $ video card and deal with it for a year or two . Then you can buy something new .
You got extra money ? Give it to charity and remember there are many people that can't even afford a PC . And no , despite of what you think it's not always because they don't work as hard as you/your parents and that's why they don't have the money .
Please consider this the next time you go out and spend thousands of $ for stuff which in a couple of years time is only going to worth hundreds .


I don't respect this kind of thing. If you have a problem with how someone spends your money, it doesn't need to be said. it's not your business whether someone wants an awesome comp and you want your mediocre pos. Have fun playing at 800x600 on cod2.
March 12, 2006 12:01:02 AM

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I don't respect this kind of thing. If you have a problem with how someone spends your money, it doesn't need to be said. it's not your business whether someone wants an awesome comp and you want your mediocre pos. Have fun playing at 800x600 on cod2.


Well I was just trying to point out something . It's not my problem if you need a cool PC to play :roll: . I get serious work done ( programming ) on my Athlon XP system for which I paid 400 E two years ago . For a video card I have an MX 440 , the cheapest I could find .
It's just an idea . There was all that talk about the 100 $ laptop and people spend so much to get 2 , 500 $ video cards , it seams odd .
Sure , the same can be said about people who get million $ home when there are homeless people out there but ... There's a catch . The PC you pay 3000 $ today , you can have for 300 $ in 2-3 years but it's strange how some want the latest all the time . Some need it , while with some I think it's more of a male thing of having the biggest ..... Ghz :lol:  .

P.S. I don't even know what COD is , I play Sokoban , look it up and try it . It's a 2D simple game but it actually requires you use your head instead of just the CPU and GPU ;)  .
March 12, 2006 12:22:11 AM

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P.S. I don't even know what COD is , I play Sokoban , look it up and try it . It's a 2D simple game but it actually requires you use your head instead of just the CPU and GPU ;)  .


COD is Call of Duty, a pretty good game as well. And i take it you haven't heard of Rome: Total War... awesome game where thinking is a must! A fairly decent pc is required to play it, but what you get is a strategic feast! :wink:
March 12, 2006 1:06:48 AM

You're acting like it's a crime to spend the money we make.
I'm guessing you're in the wrong forum; the stingy Communist forum is over there. :lol: 
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March 12, 2006 11:32:54 AM

"You got extra money ? Give it to charity..."

I consider my $12k yearly withheld in Federal Income taxes to be exactly that ...charity!
March 12, 2006 12:09:01 PM

Personally, I don't think it makes sense to pay extra for something you'll never take advantage of, e.g., why put thousands of dollars into a high end gaming machine if you don't play high end games? Why pay extra for the high perfomance version of a car if you're never going to drive the car fast or near the its limits? On the other hand, there are reasons to do this, e.g., bragging rights or prestiige. On the other hand, just because I don't think the latter is worth the extra money doesn't mean that someone that does is wrong or immoral. Just means that they have different priorities and values. If you can afford, you have a right to buy what you want.
March 12, 2006 12:45:20 PM

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I don't respect this kind of thing. If you have a problem with how someone spends your money, it doesn't need to be said. it's not your business whether someone wants an awesome comp and you want your mediocre pos. Have fun playing at 800x600 on cod2.


Well I was just trying to point out something . It's not my problem if you need a cool PC to play :roll: . I get serious work done ( programming ) on my Athlon XP system for which I paid 400 E two years ago . For a video card I have an MX 440 , the cheapest I could find .
It's just an idea . There was all that talk about the 100 $ laptop and people spend so much to get 2 , 500 $ video cards , it seams odd .
Sure , the same can be said about people who get million $ home when there are homeless people out there but ... There's a catch . The PC you pay 3000 $ today , you can have for 300 $ in 2-3 years but it's strange how some want the latest all the time . Some need it , while with some I think it's more of a male thing of having the biggest ..... Ghz :lol:  .

P.S. I don't even know what COD is , I play Sokoban , look it up and try it . It's a 2D simple game but it actually requires you use your head instead of just the CPU and GPU ;)  .

Congrats, you're totally wrong. Have fun with your oversized sega genesis.
March 12, 2006 12:50:50 PM

ok, I see your point and I'll help you out...I'll mail my bankaccount number to you, consider it charity,


greetz
March 14, 2006 3:53:53 AM

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It kinda bothers me how people are throwing money away just to have the best thing out there and brag about it .

I don't quite agree with mforce on everything in his post, but I do somewhat agree with this statement he made. It does irk me a little when I read these forums and it seems that people are buying the top tier products not to use them to their fullest extent, but to mainly brag about how they have the latest graphics card or cpu. Personally, to me just because you can afford the number one top priced product at the time does not earn you any respect. To me, what earns respect is what you do with the component you have. Now, if someone got an FX60 and somehow OC'ed it to 4Ghz, THAT would be mad respect right there....
March 14, 2006 3:03:44 PM

I do see the point he makes, but i only agree on the graphics portion. 2 graphic cards? especially @ 500$ a pop. that's just rediculous.

if you do have about 1000$ to spend, then obviously do it up.

as far as mem storage and cpu.. that lasts you alot longer.


im still running my 5 yr old system i built.

xp2800+ 1GBddr400. only thing is my gfx card on my mobo is agp. there for i will not waste anymore money upgrading it.

i had a ti4200. and i recently purchased a 6600GT for like 129$
(gottalove Newegg) anyway there's no point to buy anything more.

i oc'd it to around a 6800gt and i play UT, CS, Battlefield 2, and this thing performs pretty well.
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this fall... or possibly winter time i will do up a brand new killer rig. Im just hoping that it will last me 5+ yrs like this one did.
March 14, 2006 4:05:50 PM

I can see your points, I we would take take care of every one then the world would be a better place, especially since governments take care of them selves and not the people they are governing. But, at least in the USA, consumer credit card debt is a huge problem. So quite often people don't have the money they are spending on their new system (I am not accusing anyone one imarticular of this, but it is a serious problem) but they do have the $20.00 a month for the next 10-15 years for it.

One of the great things about America is that we get to decide for our selves what we are going to do. The money I earn is my money and I can do what ever I want with it. I can give it to chairty, I can give to the credit card companies, I can invest it, or I can stuff it in a box that I hide under my bed, the possibilities are endless. I just hope that I will be able to make those same decisions in the future.

Oh yead, to answer the question do you really need it?
No computer gaming is not a requirement to sustain life. If all the computers stopped working people could still live happy and productive lives. They have been for thousands of years. But computer games, if I remember right, are fun and can distract us from other aspects of life. Which is why I have taken a hiatis from them until schools out. I don't want to waste $2000+ per semester for classes I am not going to do anything in.
March 14, 2006 4:08:07 PM

5 yrs old? you sure about that? dont think the 2800 was around 5 years ago... more like 3 to 3.5 years... but I agree that older systems can perform well when purchased at or near the top, like yours prb was then. which flies in the face of the original arg. for this thread. I think if you "get it while it's hot" then it lasts longer than if you buy what is the "bottom of the barrel" which dies much faster.

Edit: the 2800 was released almost exactly 4 years ago, so it could be a 4 year old system, but I assumed the proc was not bought right then... sorry if wrong. ;) 
March 14, 2006 5:09:42 PM

I think too many people are assuming that the braggers are actually getting these systems and not just blowing smoke.

Personally, I find the incessant bragging very tiresome. Not to mention the bickering about who knows what better than some other poster.

I do like, however, to hear how someone has overclocked this piece or that, because I might have the same one and be stuck and need their help.

Anyone who does not play in a graphically rich environment, would have no concept of the kinds of lag and jittering that an underpowered GPU can serve up. The difference between a highly capable GPU and a lowend entry level is huge, but is it really worth the asking price?

Why are NVIDIA and ATI selling cards for 500? 600? 700? These are basically the same components they put together in other cards for much less. Shame on them. They do it because they can. I guess mforce2 may have been correct, because shame on all us dopes that enabled them to overprice this stuff. (In my defense, I only spent 320 on a GPU not 500).
March 14, 2006 5:15:29 PM

Its all economics, mforce says that people should give their money to charity instead of buying brand new computer products?! Who do you help when giving to charity? Some noble cause that expects to have money dropped in their lap. On the other hand AMD, Intel, Nvidia, ATI, and many more of the computer part companies employ thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of people. Their products allow other companies (dell, emachines, *insert computer company here*) to employ many more thousands. Those products allow hundreds of more thousands of their consumers to do their jobs more efficiently than if they were using pencils and paper. From this one industry billions are made every year because of the extra productivity... billions that drive growth in third world countries... Billions that give enough capital to drive advances in the medical field… Billions that reduce poverty in every country from Algeria to Zimbabwe.

Consumers that buy the latest and the greatest help drive the market and make it beneficial to manufacture better and faster products. Theses improved manufacturing techniques allow the low end market to be even more inexpensive and thus more accessible to even the most disadvantaged consumer.

So really the best charity that one could possibly give to is, in fact, the computer industry. But instead of a "thank you for your donation" sticker, you get a shiny new processor from them or a nice new video card.

Think about that

(PS, I wanted to reply to this post so bad that I registered for these forums)
March 14, 2006 5:37:53 PM

I see both sides of this issue. Sure, I think the cost to performance ratio should be optimal, but framing as "do you rally need it" is not really the standard, now is it? The human race has lived for hundreds of thousands of years without electricity, so no... we don't need the latest low latency memory and the graphics card with the most pipelines. As long as we don't go three minutes without air, three days without water, three weeks without food, and three months without shelter... we'll probably stay alive. It's never about need, it's about WANT.

When you get into the corporate world, and you have specific goals and objectives, then you can ask yourself, what do I NEED to accomplish this task satisfactorily. And of course you can do that for your own personal system, but you have to define what "satisfactorily" means. Will you be satisfied if Joe Jr. across the street has a higher 3dMark score than you do?

I bet you can put together a functioning computer (socket A) for under $500. It will probably work pretty well getting you on the internet and checking e-mail and stuff like that.

We all have our sweet spot on the bang to buck ratio. I'd like to see people post their 3dMark scores as a ratio... score/$ spent on the system. I'm not one for bling bling for it's own sake, but I'll pay a bit extra for quality components which will allow longevity of the system.
March 14, 2006 5:46:26 PM

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"You got extra money ? Give it to charity..."

I consider my $12k yearly withheld in Federal Income taxes to be exactly that ...charity!


Amen to that brother! And congrats on having a job that pays enough that you pay $12k/year in taxes.
March 14, 2006 7:39:22 PM

If ya got the $ why not. And I think the question that you really need to ask, is Do you really WANT it? That's what it all boils down 2 imo. When it comes to this computer field, my motto = Buy what you want, when you want it. The only I see waiting to buy computer parts is saving up more money to blow on it 8)

Atleast spending lots of money on my computer is semi-constructive in a way. I mean, I coulda spent all that money on hoo hoo's & beer! :lol: 
March 14, 2006 7:52:37 PM

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From this one industry billions are made every year because of the extra productivity... billions that drive growth in third world countries... Billions that give enough capital to drive advances in the medical field… Billions that reduce poverty in every country from Algeria to Zimbabwe.


I am sorry, but I found thise comment amusing. Does anyone else? You are drastically overstating the benevolence of the computer industry. Sure, there is a little basis of economics there. Also, I do not see Algeria or Zimbabwe thriving and reducing poverty simply because of the computer industry. You know what the corporations do? They don't give it all back to the people, that's why a good amount of technological based jobs are being outsourced, to pay LOWER wages than if they were based in the US. The "billions" of dollars are not going to fight poverty in every country from Algeria to Zimbabwe, it's going right back into the corporations' pockets. :?
March 14, 2006 10:53:14 PM

Thank you Stranger. It is nice to see someone who can see through the mud and isn't dillusional enough to believe that BILLIONS are going to help these poverty stricten countries from computer industry manufacturers.

Computer parts are made outside of the US to avoid paying BILLIONS of dollars to the people who make the parts, they make hardly anything at all. Futhermore, as soon as laws come into effect that raise the wages the companies pack up and leave, leaving many jobless and in even worse shape than they already were (if you can believe that), just to make a fatter bottom line.

I find this amusing comment amusing:
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(PS, I wanted to reply to this post so bad that I registered for these forums)
March 15, 2006 1:47:12 AM

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"You got extra money ? Give it to charity..."

I consider my $12k yearly withheld in Federal Income taxes to be exactly that ...charity!


LOL :lol:  Hey, can't you write off charitable contributions? That would be great to write your taxes off on your taxes! Anybody want to try this out?
March 15, 2006 1:56:19 AM

Hee hee, I spent $45.00. I don't game- I just got a card that can drive a DVI monitor and work with Xgl.
March 15, 2006 1:06:37 PM

why you gotta go and turn this into an American hater thread? Just because he is ignorant and somewhat self-righteous doesn't make him "obviously" American... I think that the point of the original post was to say that we are clearly self-indulgent when buying high-end parts and really do not consider the situations of the rest of the world that could use the $... e1000s post easily supports that notion.

He could really be an American, but whether he is or not you came off as a hater... Just dont turn this into a haters thread... there are enough ppl that hate Americans, we dont need to have this forum join them.
March 15, 2006 1:58:49 PM

A1lien, you need to take some economics and government classes while watching some CNN or some other news program.
March 15, 2006 2:03:57 PM

I appreciate that you did not just come back and jump on me w/ crap. That is really cool... not enough ppl that think before speach (or type). thanks. Now for me to rise to the soapbox and wax political:

I will say that I would like to see the worlds reaction if the U.S. pulled out all aid: financial/military/advisory and closed their borders and let the world have at each other... Wonder what would happen? (speakin kinda third person here) While yes, they (the U.S. govt) have made some pretty bone-headed moves in the past, and they have angered quite alot of ppl w/ some seemingly agressive moves in the name of aid... they still have provided a great service to a great many of the non-vocal majority in the world. The ammount of $ that they dole out is staggering. (not coporations mind you, the govt) The ammount of military aid is also huge.

EDIT:( above I am seperating military and financial although they are almost one and the same in many ways...)

Consider that from long before today the U.S. has consistently helped those that ask w/ both passive and active military presence. (addiditly not with always the best results... vietnam anyone?) Just ask France if they did not want the aid they got in WW2... or Kuwait in the first "gulf war". Many times they have tried and did well like in those situations. Other times they have tried and failed. (somalia? supporting saddam?)

Regardless, I think that while there is plenty to get angered over w/ the U.S. involvment in situations, there is even more to appreciate about them... If you can get past the angering part. (the vocal portion of this world cannot seem to do that) this could also include Great Britan, and for sure they are a large factor in all the aforementioned good things... but for now just consider the U.S.

So agian, I wonder how the world would be w/o any of that "western aid" that many are so adamant to remove? I wonder...
March 15, 2006 2:20:00 PM

StrangeStranger, get over it.
March 15, 2006 2:36:40 PM

ya, you are right about the french in the rev. war. No arg there. I only brought them up to make the point about aid. I have no issues w/ the french... Also, dont have any dillusions that ANY of the aid that the western world gives is totally selfless. There is always a reason. But, (to get back on track here... ) I think that the majority of "donators" whether they are corporations, governments or individuals do it for some reason beyond complete altruism. Either it is because they believe they are "buying" a better eternity (or next life or whatever), they are easing their concience from past evils, they are self-righteous and want to feel superior by "helping" others... you get the idea.

I would almost argue that NO person/company that gives to the needy is doing it purely for the sake of helping humanity. There is always an alterior motive... and if that is the case then it is for the wrong reason. period. If that is why you (not really 'YOU' but you know...) give, then you are no better than the one who is completely selfish and only buys for himself and never for others. There is no difference b/c both are still doing it for personal gain.

...uhh... so where does that leave us? did that bring us more on track w/ this thread stranger?
March 15, 2006 2:49:13 PM

hmmm... so then by that logic I could commit mass genocide and kill 100s of ppl but be ok as long as I also help 100s of starving ppl? that way they cancel out and I get a gold star? kindof "the end justifies the means"? if that were the case, then why are so many angry at teh western world? Just a thought, but IMO the means is much more important that the end.

ppl die and that is a fact of life. saving them is good if you can, but to "rob peter to pay paul" just does not seem right to me.
March 15, 2006 3:02:48 PM

do you honestly think that people who spend thousands on a system are doing so for bragging rights? what about those who only upgrade once every 3+ years? more than likely, they spend so much so they won't have to upgrade for another 3+ years.

as for those who spend just to get the latest and greatest for the time being, let them. its not your money, who are you to tell them how they should spend? if it really bothers you, maybe you shouldn't read their posts.
March 15, 2006 3:11:59 PM

Which left field did that preaching come from anyways? Since when did "gamers" never contribute to the welfare of others in their lifetime? Why does it matter if a gamer spends $500 or $5,000 on a gaming rig? some professionals spend more than $5,000 on workstations for CAD and other purposes for their careers.

As others have said, it is their money and they are the only people who can tell them what to do with the money. Some work harder than others for the money and some care more or less about a computer or giving to charity. That is all a personal preference. Many people help others from time to time regardless of how much or how often. In the end we will all be judged anyways as many suggest. That is my input on this matter. Thanks for reading, lol.

-- MaSoP
March 15, 2006 3:22:20 PM

haha, i agree that 100 is not genocide... saw that after i posted... lol.

anyway... ya, I was playing advocate somewhat there... but I do not feel that I have forgotten reason. I am just saying that "noble" is hardly the term I would use for those that are trying to alay guilt or gain tax breaks by saving ppl. No matter how many they save, they cannot save themselves. Yes, it is still good that some are saved. I just think that if your logic held that the end justifies the means then there would be less hate towards the western aid. Even if the trade of "sacrifice" for "salvation" is not 1:1, like say charging more for products and getting that profit, and then donating some of it to get the tax break to keep the rest... Even in that case I get upset, b/c like you said earlier... w/o some of that aid the "3rd world" ppl might do actually better, and they are getting that aid only to fatten some execs wallet.

I do realize however that this is not a "win-able" argument... I am only giving my opinion, and it is a nice divergence from my normal day at work. I love (semi-intelligent) arguments. ;) 
March 15, 2006 3:28:40 PM

When I invest into a new machine, I make it the latest and greatest becuase eventually it will bite the dust and i'll have to get a new one. I don't want to do that every year. Now, we've EARNED our money, so we spend it the way WE want. That doesn't mean I don't give to charity, but I don't do it lightly either. I INVEST because what I do depends on it, not just becuase I like it. To stay current with tech, you have to own it, play with it, and change it. Thats all a part of a capitalistic system. If you don't like it, deal with it, or change it. Just remember it takes money to change it. I'd like you to spend NOTHING on your campaign for an elected seat.

Your computer works for you, fine for now. Ours just couldn't do what we wanted them to do, so we spent our blood, sweat and tears getting that new system. Granted some people don't see things our way. Some of our money could be invested into other things, but if they want to do better in life, they better stop taking handouts and whinning about it AND GET UP THERE! I didn't spend $50k dollars on an education to sit on my butt and make $5 an hr. I spent the time and the money to make myself better. I worked 65 hrs a week and spent another 15hrs a week in school for 4 YEARS to get where I am. I don't need someone else to tell me where my money should be spent, let alone get someone out of a hole they dug themselves into. Its all out there, if you want it go get it, if you don't, STAY OUT OF MY WAY! Spend your money the way you want, I'll spend mine where it will help me the most.
March 15, 2006 3:29:52 PM

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is that some sort of religous crap, cause if it is go to hell and burn(im an athiest btw and detest any sort of thought not based on reason)


man, got some anger there huh? lol... just kidding. I have a few athiest friends... and one thing we do agree on (my friends i mean) is that regardless of whether you believe in an afterlife (God or whatever) or not, we all will be judged. Even if it is just by those that are at our funeral after we kick off, judgement is passed.

I think that is a strong motivation for some philanthropists... having a nice headstone that says all the "good" things they did in life. That could have been MaSoP's point? (if not then by all means, flame away at him... :lol:  )
March 15, 2006 3:30:11 PM

Haha. Not really. My "open mindedness" actually goes against many religious beliefs though I am not Athiest. Just felt like dropping it in the response for the hell of it. It was not inteded to offend anyone. If I was responding in a religious fashion I might have said something like "if nobody gives to charity, they will burn in hell", hehe. I don't believe that anyways. I failed to insert the quote from the original poster to make it clear who I was responding to also. Thanks.

-- MaSoP

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In the end we will all be judged anyways as many suggest


is that some sort of religous crap, cause if it is go to hell and burn(im an athiest btw and detest any sort of thought not based on reason)
March 15, 2006 3:45:14 PM

I think the last post you did, and the last one i did are saying the same thing... I agree w/ you that the end NEVER justifies the means... maybe i wasn't clear enough on that. That was the whole point on my last two posts (before my religios-esque side track that is... lol)

I agree w/ you that the situation you postulated is crap. and it is real. which sucks. I was essentially saying earlier that ANY aid w/ dubious motivations is troublesome and probably wrong. That was all, and I interpereted your posts to say that it was good if the end result was good. Sorry for the missunderstanding.

I didn't realize that I was in cookoo land... if I am then it is quite a nice place. ;) 
March 15, 2006 3:58:54 PM

actually it is a bit cold right now... but durring the summer it is quite nice. skiing however is bad-a$$ here... so aparently cookoos like to ski... :lol: 
March 15, 2006 4:01:57 PM

boy did we ever take this thread WAAY off-sides... time for the red card! ;) 

did we even accomplish anything? :oops: 
March 15, 2006 4:10:13 PM

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yes your right but unfortunately while i believe some people in the usa must be decent i wait for that to be proven.

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance. This would really be funny if there weren't so many people trying to kill us. I know it's omnipresent, so you probably don't realize how dangerous and irresponsible you are being, but that's part of the whole ignorance thing.

And btw... you want to see an example of American decency, look at how much or our resources were spent on helping IRAN after the earthquake. This is how we treat people who HATE US and are trying to kill us right now. An Iranian can walk through the streets of New York in full Islamic garb completely unmolested. An American dressed in denim and a Yankee hat walking through the streets of Iran would disappear forever.

So please stop repeating idiocy and speak the truth instead.
March 15, 2006 4:19:22 PM

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It kinda bothers me how people are throwing money away just to have the best thing out there and brag about it . The question is what do you really need ? Do you need an FX-60 or Pentium EE just to play games ... Not to mention dual 500+ $ video cards ....
Just buy something moderate . It'll be obsolete in 1-2 years time anyway , no matter what you buy.
Go with a A64 Venice core , and OC it and that's that . Cheapest are just over 100 $ . Get a 100-150 $ video card and deal with it for a year or two . Then you can buy something new .
You got extra money ? Give it to charity and remember there are many people that can't even afford a PC . And no , despite of what you think it's not always because they don't work as hard as you/your parents and that's why they don't have the money .
Please consider this the next time you go out and spend thousands of $ for stuff which in a couple of years time is only going to worth hundreds .



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And just because i think your an idiot for Trying to tell people what to do with their money and time. I purchased a 3rd 7900GTX to sit on my desk and everytime I look at it im gunna remember you and LAUGH! (not kidding) So quit Crying about people having a better computers than your "Mforce2".
March 15, 2006 4:22:13 PM

what, no motherboard? :lol: 

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I would have gone w/ the a8n32 myself... ;) 
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March 15, 2006 4:23:59 PM

On one hand, I agree with the fact that the cost of components on the high end area is becoming outrageous. Remember the 7800gtx 512? Costed like, 650+ dollars and it was beaten by something cheaper in a few months..crazy. On the other hand, I think people that want to have the absolutely best hardware money can buy should be able to do so if they can afford such a high-priced luxury.
However, I think this is somewhat of a problem that needs to be addressed. People who just want a little gaming computer to run HL2/Fear at 1024x728 with 2xaa and 4xas do not need a dual core processor, 2 gigs of ram and an 7900. People need to look at budget cards, budget processors and budget ram, because let's not forget that if Nvidia/Ati only sold high end cards, they'd be out of business in a week.
March 15, 2006 4:35:23 PM

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oh ye WWII was a differnet era so don't include that. america only got involved when the u-boats started sinking their ship and killing americans.


I think you might want to retake some history classes. What Brought USA into WW2 was when Japan attacked Peal Harbor dumb @%^.
March 15, 2006 4:43:10 PM

actually the U.S. was sending troops and aid long before pearl. That is just what brought large scale involvement. And in the context of what we were talking about, only focused on aid, stranger was pretty much right.
March 15, 2006 4:58:28 PM

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"You got extra money ? Give it to charity..."

I consider my $12k yearly withheld in Federal Income taxes to be exactly that ...charity!


Amen to that brother! And congrats on having a job that pays enough that you pay $12k/year in taxes.

(Llamaman weeps that someone thinks $12k is a lot to pay in tax)

Thank your lucky stars that you don't live in Europe!
March 15, 2006 5:32:06 PM

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ye i thought pearl harbour was abit obvious to use so i went with the less obvious one. now, cyphor lets test your knowledge. which passenger liner was it that when attacked casued a riot and the german embassy to be attacked. i honestly can't remember myself but since you so good with history maybe you can tell me.


What time period are you talking about now? WW1 or WW2?
March 15, 2006 5:34:13 PM

War of 1812

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oh, and stranger: I would agree that watching no tv is better than picking a side in the media. You can also watch the right AND the left and figure that reality (truth) is somewhere in the middle... ;) 
March 15, 2006 5:39:54 PM

First of all the liner that was sunk, Lusitania, second thats WWI not 2, Third if you think that terriorism is not a threat, then what started the first world war? WHEN A SERB TERRIORIST KILLED THE ARCH DUKE FERDINAND! FERDINAND WAS EVEN GOING TO HELP THEM!!!! Now granted i'm sure there are other reason for us going into Iraq, but with the way IRAN is acting, there can't be any doubt. If you want to bring politics into this, we could have just stayed isolated right here, let our boys stay home, quit funding the UN most of its money, and pull our troops out of it.


Heres a real history question for you...... WHO FUNDED THE TERRORISTS IN SERBIA WHO KILLED FERDINAND?
March 15, 2006 5:55:05 PM

Please wake up and smell the coffee: the USA and her people (along with most of the population in westernised countries) suffer from a disease called "Affluenza".

Affluenza is briefly described as "Buying things you don't need, with money you don't have, to impress people you don't like."

I suffer also: I don't need a $1800 Tissot touch sensitive watch with a weather station and electronic compass built in. Nor do I need my $50,000 Porsche 928 with 350 horsepower and a top speed of over 170 mph. I don't need three pairs of Killer Loop polarised sunnies. I don't need a 50" plasma TV. I don't need dual 21" CRTs on my PC. And yet - I have all these things, and I feel just dandy about it! :) 

Consume baby! CONSUME!
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