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March 13, 2006 10:48:32 AM

Even though AMD is keeping much secrecy on their Plans. They do have plans to Counter and Encounter Intel’s Woodcrest and Conroe. They have been thinking and doing thing to keep on top of the ladder.
!!Ha-ha, I’m backing my info up this time!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30250

And AMD had a Ace up their sleeves on Intel’s 'eNiGMA technology'
'I say.I'm glad Intel finally realized that AMD is a Very difficult competitor.'

Henri Richard says in the article
"AMD will pursue an "evolutionary" course. Henri Richard is "glad" Intel is "aligning" on AMD"

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March 13, 2006 11:12:46 AM

I don't think that from now on Intel will have processors that outclass AMD. the performance of both competitors will be almost similar.
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March 13, 2006 11:17:45 AM

In all fairness, it's rather hard to legitimately lose a crown 4 months before Conroe is shipping! :-)
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March 13, 2006 11:20:00 AM

i agree. just because intel sais that it has a better processor doesn't mean that AMD lost his crown :lol: 
March 13, 2006 12:04:34 PM

Haha, what is AMD gonna counter with?
With a CPUs that eat double the power and are outperformed by the low-end parts? Sound VERY unlikely to me.

BTW, posting the INQ as a source is just like no source at all >_>
March 13, 2006 12:12:37 PM

CONROE IS NOT ON THE MARKET (is that to hard to understand???)
AMD has plenty of time to launch a beter processor :roll:
March 13, 2006 12:22:03 PM

Thats what Im asking: What are they gonna counter with?
Their architecture is so inflexible, they will not be able to do anything until 2008-ish.
March 13, 2006 12:23:00 PM

I hope that Conroe is all that Intel promissed, and I hope that AMD has something even better! Win-win situation for both AMD and Intel fanboys; better products all around.

Who has the performance crown? The AMD Athlon FX-60.

Conroe can't be purchased and neither can AM2 processors. The performance crown sits atop the head of a processor that can actually be purchased, not off of benchmarketing.
March 13, 2006 12:41:23 PM

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I hope that Conroe is all that Intel promissed, and I hope that AMD has something even better! Win-win situation for both AMD and Intel fanboys; better products all around.

Who has the performance crown? The AMD Athlon FX-60.

Conroe can't be purchased and neither can AM2 processors. The performance crow sits atop the head of a processor that can actually be purchased, not off of benchmarketing.

And he is right :mrgreen:
I am not an AMD fanboy, i am a price performande fanboy ant AT THE MOMENT
AMD has the p/p crown
March 13, 2006 12:42:33 PM

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Even though AMD is keeping much secrecy on their Plans. They do have plans to Counter and Encounter Intel’s Woodcrest and Conroe. They have been thinking and doing thing to keep on top of the ladder.
!!Ha-ha, I’m backing my info up this time!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30250

And AMD had a Ace up their sleeves on Intel’s 'eNiGMA technology'
'I say.I'm glad Intel finally realized that AMD is a Very difficult competitor.'

Henri Richard says in the article
"AMD will pursue an "evolutionary" course. Henri Richard is "glad" Intel is "aligning" on AMD"


I agree 100% AMD is playing possum right now. Let Intel think they are the greatest and when they go to sleep pounce on them!

They will wake in the morning of new that their flagship CPU has been bested.
March 13, 2006 12:53:04 PM

Absolutely True, Let the Intel(the Bunny) think they got it made. And let them go to sleep with no worries of being beaten. The AMD(the Turtle) slow but steady will Win The race. And not just for a moment, AMD will go ahead for another 5 Years from what i see AMD do from the Last 5 years. So AMD Boys and AMD Likers. You people can pat yourselfs on the back for sticking with AMD through the (CONROE vs FX-60 battle) because AMD isn't going to go anywhere For the Near Future. And dont think AMD will be Letting Intel Beat them With a Overhyped Pentium3
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March 13, 2006 1:01:13 PM

So is this some sort of I love AMD thread?
March 13, 2006 1:08:53 PM

Hell no, even though I'm saying 'AMD Boys' I'm not saying I Love AMD in anyway, it's just that I like AMD of its cheap price and its overall reliability. And AMD is the Underdog. Remember its still only about 15% give or take 5% of the INTEL market, just saying that every one of the Intel boys are saying that AMD is being dropped outta the market. It’s not true. It’s just that they let Conroe come out and seem like its better than what they have. But AMD just needs a few more months to let loose their hidden secrets. Remember AMD is the stronger so far because Conroe isn't out yet. AND No it's not I LOVE AMD post. Its an “AMD isn't one to be counted out, even if Conroe does live up to its Hype.” post
March 13, 2006 1:11:26 PM

Read the name of the thread. Geez. :roll:
March 13, 2006 1:18:16 PM

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So is this some sort of I love AMD thread?


More of a prediction thread.


I am not biased at all. I love the fight between these two companies. Thank GOD for it.

Without it we would be in the Microsoft Era of CPU's. One company with a monopoly on the industry.


I buy whatever is best. Right now its AMD, I just upgraded from an Intel though and before that I had AMD. Round and round we go.... I love it!
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March 13, 2006 1:18:57 PM

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Hell no, even though I'm saying 'AMD Boys' I'm not saying I Love AMD in anyway, it's just that I like AMD of its cheap price and its overall reliability. And AMD is the Underdog. Remember its still only about 15% give or take 5% of the INTEL market, just saying that every one of the Intel boys are saying that AMD is being dropped outta the market. It’s not true. It’s just that they let Conroe come out and seem like its better than what they have. But AMD just needs a few more months to let loose their hidden secrets. Remember AMD is the stronger so far because Conroe isn't out yet. AND No it's not I LOVE AMD post. Its an “AMD isn't one to be counted out, even if Conroe does live up to its Hype.” post


I think there's no reason we should be speculating about AMD's next core revamp. Because it won't be out till 2007. The AM2 processors are just the current crop but able to use DDR2. They should actually end up slower per clock then the current AMD CPU's (due to DDR2 latency). AMD will be late with the K9 so don't expect miracles. Conroe still has alot of tweaks it can incorporate. Heck it doesn't even have an intergrated memory controller and yet still is a dominating processor (due to full 128bit registers).
March 13, 2006 1:30:55 PM

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Hell no, even though I'm saying 'AMD Boys' I'm not saying I Love AMD in anyway, it's just that I like AMD of its cheap price and its overall reliability. And AMD is the Underdog. Remember its still only about 15% give or take 5% of the INTEL market, just saying that every one of the Intel boys are saying that AMD is being dropped outta the market. It’s not true. It’s just that they let Conroe come out and seem like its better than what they have. But AMD just needs a few more months to let loose their hidden secrets. Remember AMD is the stronger so far because Conroe isn't out yet. AND No it's not I LOVE AMD post. Its an “AMD isn't one to be counted out, even if Conroe does live up to its Hype.” post


I think there's no reason we should be speculating about AMD's next core revamp. Because it won't be out till 2007. The AM2 processors are just the current crop but able to use DDR2. They should actually end up slower per clock then the current AMD CPU's (due to DDR2 latency). AMD will be late with the K9 so don't expect miracles. Conroe still has alot of tweaks it can incorporate. Heck it doesn't even have an intergrated memory controller and yet still is a dominating processor (due to full 128bit registers).

AMD can do the same before release. You can bet with the numbers Intel is putting out they are back to the drawing board with the AM2. No way will AMD just take a back seat to Intel without a good clean fight.
March 13, 2006 1:38:14 PM

Absolutely, Although Intel Chip developers are More Experienced and better payed probbaly. They aren't as competative and as agressive to get a better and overall cooler CPU as the AMD developers. And i bet that if AMD developers are probbaly as Aggressive as their Fan base, then we've got a couple of MAd dogs and Airhogs trapped under our Dual Core processers.
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March 13, 2006 1:42:11 PM

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AMD can do the same before release. You can bet with the numbers Intel is putting out they are back to the drawing board with the AM2. No way will AMD just take a back seat to Intel without a good clean fight.


If AMD goes back to the drawing board then don't expect AM2 until 2007. There's no way they're going to do that. AMD do not have the resources to pull an nVIDIA or ATi (NV30/R520). They will release the AM2 and ride it out.. just like they did the AthlonXP. They'll continue to sell processors because of an established fan base.

It's not as easy as just going back to the drawing board.. each tape out of a core costs Millions.


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Absolutely, Although Intel Chip developers are More Experienced and better payed probbaly. They aren't as competative and as agressive to get a better and overall cooler CPU as the AMD developers. And i bet that if AMD developers are probbaly as Aggressive as their Fan base, then we've got a couple of MAd dogs and Airhogs trapped under our Dual Core processers.


Intel is taking an aggressive stance. They're finally perceiving AMD as a viable threat (especially with the success of the Opteron) therefore to sum them up as tired old foggies is exactly what's brought AMD into this mess. They underestimated Intel just like AMD Fanboys did. Anandtech and Tom's Hardware both talked about Otellini steering the ship into a different direction. It's a large ship to steer and Intel was cautious and did so in quite the exceptional manner.

If I were about to invest in a company... I'd probably be buying Intel stocks right now.
March 13, 2006 2:47:02 PM

ycon how about prescott you were posting before that prescott was better than k8 and it took lees power when oced and all your other intel crap!
March 13, 2006 2:55:43 PM

yah, AMD/Intel is like me in a way, every day I enjoy the throne for about 10 minutes!!! (and its not as hyped as its played to be) :wink:
March 13, 2006 3:03:35 PM

AMD have stated that the new socket is purley a technology enabler (they are not even changing the performance rating with the new socket, i.e. same frequency same performance rating).
Once they are on the estabilished socket, we should then see some more optimizations come down the line (probably with the transistion to 65nm).
In the desktop and mobile sectors they will probably loose some ground for a while, however as far as AMD is concerned with the Server sector that is far more lucrative.
The new 1207 socket will allow them to go quad core very quickly and the extra bandwidth is far more important for SMP workloads.

In traditional DB/ERP/webserver workloads the extra latency isn't such a problem as average user response times are around 1 to 2 seconds anyway (so whats an extra 10ns??), it's the ability to process alot of users in parallel that is more important.
Just look at the new SUN T1 chip 8 really slow cores but capable of processing 32theads in parallel.
Around April-June this year SUN will be releasing a new 8 socket Opteron board (1207 pins) that will be quad core ready. Once quad core get released (early 2007), we'll be seeing 32 core Opteron servers.
Intel does not want Woodcrest to compete in the space as this is what they have planned for itanium (billions of dollers have already flown down this black hole).
March 13, 2006 3:09:04 PM

1.ok man
2.do you think that amd will be even with intel for the next few months?
March 13, 2006 3:19:20 PM

Personally I think Intel has shot themselves in the foot, by releasing performance data so, soon.
AMD is in the fortunate position that they are selling everything they can make. So a drop in demand, will probably make very little difference, although future orders may go down (will have to adjust their farcasts).
However Intel have quite a few chips they can't get rid of and any drop off in demand (cos people are waiting for conroe), may hit them further.

I see AMD maintaining profitablity and Intel loosing out.
One conroe hits the streets, Intel better be ready to supply CPUs and chipsets.
AMD will then either be forced to drop prices and/or up CPU speed or bring forward 65nm and any improvements.
Intel will have a lot of old P4 stock to get rid of.
March 13, 2006 3:26:41 PM

LoL, I'll take Some of those Extra P4's for Free. I'll only take if they are free. And load Emulators For XBOX 360 and PS2. Or if they Are completely Completely! Useless. I'll hook they all up To make a Beowolf Cluster. And make that thing Fold my Laundry Lol j/k i'll just Fold@home with those thing, I live in a Condo So Energy might not be a Big Problem because its free. But i'll need to Liquid Nitrogen Cool my Room. to keep it Room temprature give or take 100 Degrees *C.
March 13, 2006 4:30:46 PM

So what your saying is that Intel currently leads the market? I never knew AMD threw in the towel. Wow, news to me.
March 13, 2006 4:36:52 PM

hi,
guys I have 2 questions,- how much cost the intel conroe and the amd am2?

I have heard that you need new motherboards and or memory rams ¿?

thanks in advance
March 13, 2006 4:40:08 PM

I know Your Just Trying to Provoke me. AMD never Threw in the Towel, The yJust wat to Play Along With Intel and Conroe. And Intel maybe ahead Of AMD in sales because of the Monopoly they hold on All the Computer makers That i have Listed in my Signature, Other Wise AMD is and Will be on top when it comes to Better Processing and Price/performance. Like Come on you Know AMD is still the best thing to happen to Us Computer Nerds.
March 13, 2006 4:41:50 PM

EMD or AMD, I'm not sure About the pricing Of the Am2 or the Conroe, But i don't think the Prices will be out until the Processers and Socket Will be showcased or Released.
March 13, 2006 4:44:57 PM

From what I've seen, the Conroe will be considerably cheaper than the current Intel and AMD lineup.

It's speculation right now as to AMDs new prices.

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Here are the future Intel Conroe processor prices according to The Inquirer:

E6700 : 2.67 GHz – FSB1066 – 4 MB cache – $529
E6600 : 2.40 GHz – FSB1066 – 4 MB cache – $315
E6400 : 2.13 GHz – FSB1066 – 2 MB cache – $240
E6300 : 1.86 GHz – FSB1066 – 2 MB cache - $210

The Conroe is Intel's future desktop processor. Based on a new architecture including short pipelines like the Pentium M / Core Solo and Core Duo it is in a break with the Pentium 4 NetBurst. Of course, the processor prices are not of very much help to draw conclusions without performance measurements. We noticed however that the 2.67 GHz core frequency, reached from the beginning, is much higher than the 2.16 GHz of the fastest Core Duo.
March 13, 2006 4:54:38 PM

Omg! thats Dirt Cheap Stuff. I might buy a set for my Cousin. Lol he's a serious Computer Gamer. But he's only 13 so he know's nothing about What a AMD or Intel is. But i'm a AMD Fan not a Fan Boy because I got With whats best and I liked AMD so far, so i'm sticking with AMD until Intel can really prove they are better and faster and More realible and less Power consuming and less heat dissapating than AMD then i'll be a Intel Fan . And Until they do that i'll stick to my AMD thank you.
March 13, 2006 5:03:06 PM

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Personally I think Intel has shot themselves in the foot, by releasing performance data so, soon.
AMD is in the fortunate position that they are selling everything they can make. So a drop in demand, will probably make very little difference, although future orders may go down (will have to adjust their farcasts).
However Intel have quite a few chips they can't get rid of and any drop off in demand (cos people are waiting for conroe), may hit them further.

I see AMD maintaining profitablity and Intel loosing out.
One conroe hits the streets, Intel better be ready to supply CPUs and chipsets.
AMD will then either be forced to drop prices and/or up CPU speed or bring forward 65nm and any improvements.
Intel will have a lot of old P4 stock to get rid of.


I couldnt agree more.

Intel let the cat out of the bag already.

It wouldnt suprise me one bit to see AMD hold out on the AM2 release and let Conroe release and then shortly after release the new optimized AM2 that Intel never saw coming.

On the other hand Intel is totally aware that AMD can do this and im sure they will have the super duper Conroe extreme ready to roll once AMD does this... then AMD will... Just kidding but this is the way its gonna play out.

Let the good times roll!!

We as consumers will benifit the most!!

and yes, Intel is looking at AMD now as a big threat. They are moving into areas where Intel previously had a monopoly (Dell)
March 13, 2006 5:19:00 PM

then there is not for purchase or what?

I´m confused, you have one or not?

greetings
March 13, 2006 5:21:19 PM

Conroe is not available yet and wont' be till the Q3 this year. These are only guideline prices and are still in speculation.

No I don't have one as they are not available yet.
March 13, 2006 5:31:58 PM

Ah!

thank you, then I will save a little for then: I´m looking to change my sempron socket a but I don´t know what path follow rigth now, well I apologize for mi ignorance and I will be back in autumm whit this kind of question...

sorry
March 13, 2006 5:40:18 PM

EMD, i recommend you stay with the AMD line. Because Conroe Is a Server type of computer Not really used for Average people like us. And otherwise AMD is still better when it comes to Average computers like 3800+ and 3800+X2.
March 13, 2006 5:44:22 PM

Your saying Conroe is a server chip? Damn, what have you been smokin? :lol: 

The Conroe is Intels mainstream chip for consumers. Woodcrest will be their server chip.

As with anyone else reading these forums, I wouldn't sway one way or the other when it comes to choosing AMD or Intel. The man said he is going to wait it out so, let him wait and see which one comes out on top.
March 13, 2006 5:53:21 PM

Well Not Xactly, a Server Chip but its inline with FX CPUs and FX are Enthusiast chips. and Opetron are Server. Woodcrest and Conroe could be defined as same or about same classes. only you have more Cache here and a bit more Speed there and give and take some FSB. you have the same class things. Most Gamers will stick to AMD64 Series or go on to AMD64 X2 if they want better Multitasking. But FX is kinda Expencive and Conroe and Woodcrest is been put up against FX so They are basically serverish type, not a Opetron but close euff.
March 13, 2006 6:09:23 PM

Well, first of all, they are part of a family so yes, they are in a sense, related to each other.

As far as the comparison, how are you going to compare the conroe and woodcrest vs. the Opteron when they're not out yet? You have no clue as to how it's going to perform against the current Opterons.
March 13, 2006 6:42:53 PM

Lol, Please Quote me on this Statement. But I Make Quoteless and Off the wall comments. But i mean good. I try to quote and find proof of what i'm saynig other wise Forgive me For stupidity. but i do have Intelligent and useful things at times. Lol what can i Do I have a AMDXP 1700+ that makes me very old and show compared to you FX-57 or FX-60ers> and i'm only 17 Boo hoo. i need a Dual Core Upgrade.
March 13, 2006 6:51:10 PM

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Personally I think Intel has shot themselves in the foot, by releasing performance data so, soon.
AMD is in the fortunate position that they are selling everything they can make. So a drop in demand, will probably make very little difference, although future orders may go down (will have to adjust their farcasts).
However Intel have quite a few chips they can't get rid of and any drop off in demand (cos people are waiting for conroe), may hit them further.

I see AMD maintaining profitablity and Intel loosing out.
One conroe hits the streets, Intel better be ready to supply CPUs and chipsets.
AMD will then either be forced to drop prices and/or up CPU speed or bring forward 65nm and any improvements.
Intel will have a lot of old P4 stock to get rid of.
exactly<winking>
March 13, 2006 7:52:16 PM

I <3 Intel and AMD equally, I've had experiences from products on both sides, from K6/Pentium to AthlonXP,Athon64/Pentium3,6xx... For me its all price/performance and whatever gets into my hand... since most computers I get are usually given to me ^_^
March 13, 2006 8:05:25 PM

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Thats what Im asking: What are they gonna counter with?
Their architecture is so inflexible, they will not be able to do anything until 2008-ish.


And you know this how?
March 13, 2006 9:07:57 PM

YCON is like the Stupid Redneck Conservative Of the Fourm. Its good to have people from all ends of the Intelligence Specturm in this Fourm. Ycon INTEL and AMD have Different Arcituctures and In most if not all Places Less powerful and less power consuming than Intels about Twice its speed and its FSB. Pentium Just learned to keep up with Current AMD. So i'm not mad at Intel For finally being more of a AMD type CPU. Less a IBM type. But AMD still has my Support with AM2 and Hypertransport and Everything else they Haven't told us about, and not revealed what it actually is. But its probbly something good. Like Grandma's Pies sitting in the Oven It smells good and it feels good. So it'll probbly be even better than it smells Just like Grandma's pie it just gets better. Go Pie, I mean AMD!
March 13, 2006 9:09:08 PM

lol yo kid lol
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