AMD Will regain Crown And Throne

I don't think that from now on Intel will have processors that outclass AMD. the performance of both competitors will be almost similar.

i agree. just because intel sais that it has a better processor doesn't mean that AMD lost his crown

CONROE IS NOT ON THE MARKET (is that to hard to understand???)
AMD has plenty of time to launch a beter processor

I hope that Conroe is all that Intel promissed, and I hope that AMD has something even better! Win-win situation for both AMD and Intel fanboys; better products all around.

Who has the performance crown? The AMD Athlon FX-60.

Conroe can't be purchased and neither can AM2 processors. The performance crown sits atop the head of a processor that can actually be purchased, not off of benchmarketing.

I agree 100% AMD is playing possum right now. Let Intel think they are the greatest and when they go to sleep pounce on them!

They will wake in the morning of new that their flagship CPU has been bested.

So is this some sort of I love AMD thread?

Read the name of the thread. Geez.

I think there's no reason we should be speculating about AMD's next core revamp. Because it won't be out till 2007. The AM2 processors are just the current crop but able to use DDR2. They should actually end up slower per clock then the current AMD CPU's (due to DDR2 latency). AMD will be late with the K9 so don't expect miracles. Conroe still has alot of tweaks it can incorporate. Heck it doesn't even have an intergrated memory controller and yet still is a dominating processor (due to full 128bit registers).

Absolutely, Although Intel Chip developers are More Experienced and better payed probbaly. They aren't as competative and as agressive to get a better and overall cooler CPU as the AMD developers. And i bet that if AMD developers are probbaly as Aggressive as their Fan base, then we've got a couple of MAd dogs and Airhogs trapped under our Dual Core processers.

ycon how about prescott you were posting before that prescott was better than k8 and it took lees power when oced and all your other intel crap!

AMD have stated that the new socket is purley a technology enabler (they are not even changing the performance rating with the new socket, i.e. same frequency same performance rating).
Once they are on the estabilished socket, we should then see some more optimizations come down the line (probably with the transistion to 65nm).
In the desktop and mobile sectors they will probably loose some ground for a while, however as far as AMD is concerned with the Server sector that is far more lucrative.
The new 1207 socket will allow them to go quad core very quickly and the extra bandwidth is far more important for SMP workloads.

In traditional DB/ERP/webserver workloads the extra latency isn't such a problem as average user response times are around 1 to 2 seconds anyway (so whats an extra 10ns??), it's the ability to process alot of users in parallel that is more important.
Just look at the new SUN T1 chip 8 really slow cores but capable of processing 32theads in parallel.
Around April-June this year SUN will be releasing a new 8 socket Opteron board (1207 pins) that will be quad core ready. Once quad core get released (early 2007), we'll be seeing 32 core Opteron servers.
Intel does not want Woodcrest to compete in the space as this is what they have planned for itanium (billions of dollers have already flown down this black hole).

Personally I think Intel has shot themselves in the foot, by releasing performance data so, soon.
AMD is in the fortunate position that they are selling everything they can make. So a drop in demand, will probably make very little difference, although future orders may go down (will have to adjust their farcasts).
However Intel have quite a few chips they can't get rid of and any drop off in demand (cos people are waiting for conroe), may hit them further.

I see AMD maintaining profitablity and Intel loosing out.
One conroe hits the streets, Intel better be ready to supply CPUs and chipsets.
AMD will then either be forced to drop prices and/or up CPU speed or bring forward 65nm and any improvements.
Intel will have a lot of old P4 stock to get rid of.

So what your saying is that Intel currently leads the market? I never knew AMD threw in the towel. Wow, news to me.

I know Your Just Trying to Provoke me. AMD never Threw in the Towel, The yJust wat to Play Along With Intel and Conroe. And Intel maybe ahead Of AMD in sales because of the Monopoly they hold on All the Computer makers That i have Listed in my Signature, Other Wise AMD is and Will be on top when it comes to Better Processing and Price/performance. Like Come on you Know AMD is still the best thing to happen to Us Computer Nerds.

From what I've seen, the Conroe will be considerably cheaper than the current Intel and AMD lineup.

It's speculation right now as to AMDs new prices.

I couldnt agree more.

Intel let the cat out of the bag already.

It wouldnt suprise me one bit to see AMD hold out on the AM2 release and let Conroe release and then shortly after release the new optimized AM2 that Intel never saw coming.

On the other hand Intel is totally aware that AMD can do this and im sure they will have the super duper Conroe extreme ready to roll once AMD does this... then AMD will... Just kidding but this is the way its gonna play out.

Let the good times roll!!

We as consumers will benifit the most!!

and yes, Intel is looking at AMD now as a big threat. They are moving into areas where Intel previously had a monopoly (Dell)

Conroe is not available yet and wont' be till the Q3 this year. These are only guideline prices and are still in speculation.

No I don't have one as they are not available yet.

EMD, i recommend you stay with the AMD line. Because Conroe Is a Server type of computer Not really used for Average people like us. And otherwise AMD is still better when it comes to Average computers like 3800+ and 3800+X2.

Well Not Xactly, a Server Chip but its inline with FX CPUs and FX are Enthusiast chips. and Opetron are Server. Woodcrest and Conroe could be defined as same or about same classes. only you have more Cache here and a bit more Speed there and give and take some FSB. you have the same class things. Most Gamers will stick to AMD64 Series or go on to AMD64 X2 if they want better Multitasking. But FX is kinda Expencive and Conroe and Woodcrest is been put up against FX so They are basically serverish type, not a Opetron but close euff.

Lol, Please Quote me on this Statement. But I Make Quoteless and Off the wall comments. But i mean good. I try to quote and find proof of what i'm saynig other wise Forgive me For stupidity. but i do have Intelligent and useful things at times. Lol what can i Do I have a AMDXP 1700+ that makes me very old and show compared to you FX-57 or FX-60ers> and i'm only 17 Boo hoo. i need a Dual Core Upgrade.

I <3 Intel and AMD equally, I've had experiences from products on both sides, from K6/Pentium to AthlonXP,Athon64/Pentium3,6xx... For me its all price/performance and whatever gets into my hand... since most computers I get are usually given to me ^_^

YCON is like the Stupid Redneck Conservative Of the Fourm. Its good to have people from all ends of the Intelligence Specturm in this Fourm. Ycon INTEL and AMD have Different Arcituctures and In most if not all Places Less powerful and less power consuming than Intels about Twice its speed and its FSB. Pentium Just learned to keep up with Current AMD. So i'm not mad at Intel For finally being more of a AMD type CPU. Less a IBM type. But AMD still has my Support with AM2 and Hypertransport and Everything else they Haven't told us about, and not revealed what it actually is. But its probbly something good. Like Grandma's Pies sitting in the Oven It smells good and it feels good. So it'll probbly be even better than it smells Just like Grandma's pie it just gets better. Go Pie, I mean AMD!