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March 14, 2006 2:20:20 PM

I need to upgrade my video card I am considering ATI X1600 pro and GeForce 7800GS. Which card is better for gamming?

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March 14, 2006 2:35:55 PM

Those two cards are in completely different segments, price and performance wise. Maybe you should first consider how much you're willing to spend and what type of card you're aiming for: hig-end or mainstream.
March 14, 2006 2:39:01 PM

The x1600 pro AGP is $299 and the GeForce 7800 GS is $299 at Newegg. The thought these two were the best for AGP if not please give me a better option.

I want a good high end card.
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March 14, 2006 2:52:57 PM

You can get a BRAND NEW X1600 PRO AGP from Newegg for $129:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102665

Other good AGP cards are the X800 GTO and 6800 GS, both under $200 in AGP.

If you want the best in AGP, get the $300 7800 GS.

But if you have the cash, use it to migrate your entire system to a newer PCI-express motherboard.
The PCI-express 7800 GT DESTROYS the 7800 GS for $275 or so, it's worth it to upgrade to PCI-express if you have the cash and want the best gaming performance.

I wouldn't recommend spending more than $200 on an AGP card.
March 14, 2006 3:12:18 PM

I don't think I can afford to upgrade the mobo+processor and memory now. I want to try to keep this system for a few more years if possible.
March 14, 2006 3:16:14 PM

7800 GS would be better for gaming, but do not waste 300 bucks on that.
At newegg you can find 512 MB x1600 pros for only 140. Only thing you would miss out, if you dont get the made by ati that is, is the bundled software of ati, it has a multimedia player, and thats about it.

x800 gto is a good choice, but i am not sure it has shader 3.0. i think the only ati's that have those are the x thousand series. 6800 GS would do the job for now, until you move to a pci express board.
March 14, 2006 3:21:36 PM

Motherboard: Gigabyte 8KNXP, 1.x
Processor: Pentium 4 4CPU 2.80GHz
Graphics: ATI 9600 Pro
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
Memory: Kingston DDR-SDRAM PC3200 1024 Mbytes
Windows XP Pro
March 14, 2006 3:45:22 PM

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I don't think I can afford to upgrade the mobo+processor and memory now. I want to try to keep this system for a few more years if possible.


$80 - New PCI express Asus P4RD1-MX motherboard (use your old CPU and memory)

$263 - Refurb 7800 GT from Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122228R

-$30 - Sell old board on ebay
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$313 total for your PCI-express uprade and a better card than a 7800 GS.

You have a new PCI express motherboard, your old CPU & Memory, and a 7800 GT that kicks the crap out of a 7800 GS.

That's why I think $300 is too much for an AGP upgrade...
March 14, 2006 3:49:11 PM

OMG!!

I have been searching for weeks for a PCI-E mother board for this processor I couldn't find one. WOW
March 14, 2006 3:50:50 PM

I thought I was looking at $1200 to replace motherboard, processor and memory.
March 14, 2006 4:01:05 PM

Quote:
I don't think I can afford to upgrade the mobo+processor and memory now. I want to try to keep this system for a few more years if possible.


$80 - New PCI express Asus P4RD1-MX motherboard (use your old CPU and memory)

$263 - Refurb 7800 GT from Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122228R

-$30 - Sell old board on ebay
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$313 total for your PCI-express uprade and a better card than a 7800 GS.

You have a new PCI express motherboard, your old CPU & Memory, and a 7800 GT that kicks the crap out of a 7800 GS.

That's why I think $300 is too much for an AGP upgrade...

Where can I find that mobo for sale?

Thanks
March 14, 2006 4:10:22 PM

Don't waste $299.00 for the X1600PRO 512MB. Go with this X1600PRO or possibly even this 6800GS if you want to spend over $200.00 for one.

The upgrade idea is great too, but finding that motherboard is tough. I could only find one on eBay and it was in Germany. Zipzoomfly lists it, but shows it on back order. You might want to contact them and see if they have a realistic ETA on it, otherwise you may not have much luck finding it. You could place a request in the TG Classifieds Forum. Someone might have one for sale.

If you can't find the board anywhere, I'd get the X1600PRO I listed and save up to rebuild your system. With that card you should be able to hold out nicely until the new AM2 or Conroe platforms are available. Both systems are supposed to be available in a wide range of price points from budget to enthusiast.
March 14, 2006 7:24:03 PM

Motherboard should be here in 2-5 business days. Now for the video card.

I can get the 7900Gt new for $264 or the 7900GTX $464 please help me choose. I have credits at CC so I am trying to find a card here. www.circuitcity.com. Thanks
March 14, 2006 7:42:34 PM

Good luck with the new mobo.

I think you meant the 7800GT.

You may want to hear back from Cleeve on this as he's the forum guru on video cards, but I've heard the new 7600GT is comparable in performance with the 7800GT.

The video cards I found Circuit City aren't really comparable to what you could get from Newegg.com and they're overpriced. Save your credits (???Gift Certificates??) for something else.
March 14, 2006 7:47:48 PM

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Good luck with the new mobo.

I think you meant the 7800GT.

You may want to hear back from Cleeve on this as he's the forum guru on video cards, but I've heard the new 7600GT is comparable in performance with the 7800GT.

The video cards I found Circuit City aren't really comparable to what you could get from Newegg.com and they're overpriced. Save your credits (???Gift Certificates??) for something else.


LOL

Thank you for all your help.
March 14, 2006 8:15:25 PM

One more question. I am using a generic 400w power supply will it be ok with the card.
March 14, 2006 8:38:42 PM

Newegg says it requires a 450W. I'm leaning towards you might be able to get away with the 400, but my knowledge in the PSU area gets grey.

However, here's a chance to use those CircuitCity credits.

EDIT: Ooops, apparently that one is out of stock. Try this one.

However, check Newegg on these prices because they may still come in cheaper even though you have the "credits" with CircuitCity.
March 14, 2006 8:44:12 PM

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Newegg says it requires a 450W. I'm leaning towards you might be able to get away with the 400, but my knowledge in the PSU area gets grey.

However, here's a chance to use those CircuitCity credits.

EDIT: Ooops, apparently that one is out of stock. Try this one.

However, check Newegg on these prices because they may still come in cheaper even though you have the "credits" with CircuitCity.


I have been trying to use those credits for about six months. I was being to think about the gift card idea. Thanks
March 14, 2006 9:02:04 PM

I just found this in the power supply forum. Will this one work?

Power Supply

Thanks
March 14, 2006 9:12:54 PM

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but I've heard the new 7600GT is comparable in performance with the 7800GT.
Not quite.
March 14, 2006 9:21:34 PM

Well, yes but it is overkill. I thought you weren't looking to spend a lot of money? The rate your going you will end up spending $1200.

Honestly, I would try to see if your current PSU works with the new card (unless everyone says it WILL NOT, again I'm not completely up to date on PSUs) and if it doesn't, get the Antec 500. A lot of people have good things to say about them and it's about half the cost of the FSP. Not that the FSP is bad. It just seems like overkill in your situation.
March 14, 2006 9:24:08 PM

It gets really confusing sometimes. So many parts so much to know. I don't want to spend $1200 I really don't. Thanks
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March 14, 2006 9:28:42 PM

"I think the 7800GS is an overkill in your situation. Consider 6800GS or X800GTO."

If that is a Northwood "C" core, it could be running at 3.2G within 12 keystrokes in the BIOS...

I'd opt simply for a 6600GT if I were the original poster.....decent, relatively low cost...
March 15, 2006 3:47:46 AM

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It gets really confusing sometimes. So many parts so much to know. I don't want to spend $1200 I really don't. Thanks


You don't have to. Your CPU is OK for most of today's game and apps, don't bother. I wouldn't upgrade your motherboard for a PCIe one right now. Your CPU wont perform faster anyway. don't spend too much for an AGP video card. something around 200$ will be sufficient enough for now.

I just got myself the x1600xt, (PCIe thou) and I'm a bit impressed by the performance vs price. I got it for less that 280$can, but has a silent heat pipe cooler on it and VIVO. normal fanned version cost around 180$can. I tried F.E.A.R on it and found it to be more than I first thought. I always preferred ATI's image quality, but that's personnal taste anyway.

A sapphire x1600pro AGP can be buy for 158$ can. That soud translate to about 130$US. So, 299$ is a rip off, as someone said.

Nvidia alternative should be good too, but I don't know them enough to comment.

But, don't spend too much on that system. get a decent video card now, and save cash for a major upgrade later. Selling your current system later would help to cover some cost at upgrade time.
March 15, 2006 4:37:03 PM

I am looking at the links now.

Thank you.
March 15, 2006 7:20:30 PM

ohh, i wasnt sure if you were upgrading your motherboard or not....

If you were then you would most likely be looking at Pci express cards instead of agp..

If you got a certain budget in mind sometimes you can get a video card, motherboard, processor and even new ram for a good price...
March 15, 2006 7:53:16 PM

In the next month or so I am going to upgrade motherboard, processor and memory. The system that I am upgrading now I will give to my son to save on building him a computer later.

I forgot that he is looking forward to playing this game just as much as I am and his computer stands no chance. He is long overdue for an upgrade.

Any recommendation on how to pull this very overwhelming project of would be very helpful. Thanks
March 15, 2006 8:08:08 PM

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I forgot that he is looking forward to playing this game just as much as I am and his computer stands no chance. He is long overdue for an upgrade.


What game? You didn't say anything about a game.
March 15, 2006 8:11:24 PM

Sorry

The Elder Scrolls Oblivion
March 15, 2006 8:46:02 PM

If you don't want to spend $300.00 on a new card (I don't think you should), you should seriously be considering the X850XT. This card should still be able to get decent framerates on nice settings in Elder Scrolls IV, it's about half the cost and only requires a 300W PSU. This would be a perfect solution, especially if your passing the system on to your son. There's really no much point in putting a lot of money into this machine. Act fast though, as these things are selling like crazy. If I had PCI-E and $175.00 to spend, this would be the card.

If you feel you MUST spend over $200, you could also look at the 7800GT. Another card that the prices are dropping on and will still be able to play Elder Scrolls IV with nice quality. It says it requires a 450W PSU, but I've read on the forums about people getting by with as little as 350W, so your probably ok with it.

I just don't think you should be putting a whole lot of money into this if you plan on building a new one soon and the cards listed above should do well with ES IV. Which, BTW, you should wait until the new AMD AM2 and Intel Conroe platforms come out before upgrading. AMD should be available in June while Intel should be available sometime in the fall. Wait for some real systems and testing of BOTH platforms before making a decision on that. All this talk about the Conroe VS AM2 is still speculation. Either one may work better for you and your budget.
March 15, 2006 9:52:53 PM

I was trying to put together a system for the March 21 release date for Oblivion. There is no way I will be able to make the release date since I now have upgrade one computer and build a new one from scratch.

I just checked my son’s computer and the only thing in his system that I can reuse is the sound blaster live. His computer: Celeron 1400 MHz, 256 MHz pc133, ATI 9250 45 gig hard drive and a 25 gig hard drive.

So far I have ordered:

SAPPHIRE 100154 Radeon X1800XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card

The Albatron PX915P4C

Antec Power Supply (SP500)

Now I am looking at spending a lot more than $1200 but I can take my time and do it right. I have the money to do this I just think that spending $2000 every two years is too much for me. I upgraded the system I have now December 2004 at a cost of around $1800.

I hope that I can find a reasonable price motherboard, process, video card and memory for my son’s computer.
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