OK... I think that this is where I should post this, but what I am looking for is the following:
I need a NAS solution that contains two hard drives (so that I can mirror them for data protection) that is compatible with more than just Windows. I will be converting the computers in my home over to Linux as soon as I upgrade and will only maintain Windows on one computer so that I can run software when people give me something that I am expected to be able to run, but that requires Windows. Quite frankly, I hope that I don't have to turn it on much.
Anyway, since the primary systems for both me and my wife will be Laptops, we want to have a good NAS solution that we can occasionally copy our hard drive contents to, and also keep all of our audio, video, and various install flats so that it is centrally managed, but is also MIRRORED.
Currently I have a Linux server acting as the domain controller for my various Windows-based computers, but I have decided to minimize the IT footprint of my house, and would rather do without a full computer for this purpose.
So far all of the mirrored NAS solutions that I have seen require Windows, and that is unacceptable.
I would prefer one that does not come with hard drives, as I would rather choose those myself, and cost is an issue.
Snap has several models that will fill your need. Most of these old units are not speed deamons. They have 4 drive models (4x00) with raid 5. The 2x00 models support Raid 0 & 1. I don't recomend the 2000 model because of the speed is realy slow due to software raid. The 2200 use promise IDE controllers. The 4000 is 4 drive, software raid, supports LBA48bit. The 4100 has seperate Promise IDE controllers but do not suport LBA48. The Dell PV705N is the same as a 4100.
I use a Snap 2200 NAS for mine. It is compatable with All OS including the Old Apple OS (v8-10x), Unix FS. NT. Novell. It down side if you are using a Apple It only supports APF 2.0, which restrice the file name to 31 chr. The unit runs on UNIX, a modified XFS file system. It is using SAMBA for the compatibility. I current have 2 x 300gig drives in RAID 1 config. Connection and admin is through the web interface.
I have older macs and Snap is the only one that suports Apple OS.
SnapAppliance was bought out by Adaptec 6 months ago. So the have been slowly killing off the older Snap units. Support use to be free, now $120 for a contract. They are loosing repeat customers, due to this. If you need support go to procooling.com. I help users with upgrades, to keep these units working.
New they are expensive. I picked my 2200 from ebay. 320gig (2 x 160) for $275. It has a very small foot print 8"w x 10"d x 6"h and is quite. I have looked at building unix boxes, but hard to match this small foot print.
New they are expensive. I picked my 2200 from ebay. 320gig (2 x 160) for $275. It has a very small foot print 8"w x 10"d x 6"h and is quite. I have looked at building unix boxes, but hard to match this small foot print.
The Aspire case is only 9" x 10.2" x 14"
Granted that is bigger than the Snap but still relatively quite small.
You also have the flexibility of being in full control of the system and you can use hot swap SATA drive trays if desired, etc :-D
But are there others out there like that? At $340 that DEFINITELY sounds like a better solution... but I don't know enough about this type of product to know if it is good or not.
Actually it baffles me that these things are so expensive, considering how inexpensive a cheap Linux box would be to put on the network... it is just that is what I am doing now, and I really want to move to a small appliance so that I can stick it in a closet, or maybe in a junction box in the wall with networking equipment, and forget about it.
I used and Modded a Linksys NSLU2 and it works fantastic. It has so many options than just storage server its amazing. My is also print server, NAS, website host, FTP server and Itunes host. 11 out of 10 on this baby.
But are there others out there like that? At $340 that DEFINITELY sounds like a better solution... but I don't know enough about this type of product to know if it is good or not.
Actually it baffles me that these things are so expensive, considering how inexpensive a cheap Linux box would be to put on the network... it is just that is what I am doing now, and I really want to move to a small appliance so that I can stick it in a closet, or maybe in a junction box in the wall with networking equipment, and forget about it.
Cheaper MAYBE but not really, better no.
Granted you do not need a socket 939 CPU to run samba and serve some files but my configs had a CPU fast enough to perform many other tasks and had 1GB RAM.
On those configs you could do a lot more than just store files.
The socket 754 is actually cheaper @$460 and the socket 939 is almost as cheap @ $548 and a lot more powerful and upgradeable than an embedded 600MHz Intel 80219 with 128MB RAM.
My Configs at those prices already included 2 WD2500KS drives and the onboard RAID controller on the 939 board will support up to 4 drives and RAID 5.
If you need support for the old Apple's, the snap is your only choice. With the execption fo building your own. I have several boxes running the unix software. They are not for the average user. Once setup they are fine. My next NAS will be home build mainly beause I have the hardware laying around. But none of them is as quite as my Snap.
You definately want a NAS box to connect through a Ethernet port. Any this else is just a external storage for a pc, not Network. The snap software is proven. There is no bugs in it like some of the new one on the market.
There is a controller card out there that turns a std pc into a NAS. All software is on the controller card. Have only seen it advertised. Have not used it.
Then close the door and have it last very long, but you can with an external NAS device. Yeah you can do a lot more with the comp, but it is also too needy for any of the configuration that I want to use (airflow, space, etc). Heck, it'd be a pain just to find a case that would fit in something like that with all the other networking stuff.
I have wanted to do something like this for a while, I just thought it was cool to see an article on it. After all, that way I can have ALL of my network stuff setup and IN THE WALL, so that it doesn't take up space ANYWHERE in my house. Then I just have a comp sitting at a desk with Windows on it that I never turn on (maybe one of those closing credenzas or something), and two laptops... without any actual network footprint, and no wires ANYWHERE in the house that I would have to deal with.
Now as for the Linksys NSLU2... it appears that it only has one hard drive, so there is no redundancy there. Raid is a definite requirement for network storage... and it is USB. RJ45 is also a requirement.
The lacie... cool, but WAY expensive. At least the Thecus one is only $340...
It seems like Thecus is the only company making a dual enclosure NAS for anything that approaches affordability though. How very strange...
Then close the door and have it last very long, but you can with an external NAS device. Yeah you can do a lot more with the comp, but it is also too needy for any of the configuration that I want to use (airflow, space, etc). Heck, it'd be a pain just to find a case that would fit in something like that with all the other networking stuff.
I have wanted to do something like this for a while, I just thought it was cool to see an article on it. After all, that way I can have ALL of my network stuff setup and IN THE WALL, so that it doesn't take up space ANYWHERE in my house. Then I just have a comp sitting at a desk with Windows on it that I never turn on (maybe one of those closing credenzas or something), and two laptops... without any actual network footprint, and no wires ANYWHERE in the house that I would have to deal with.
Now as for the Linksys NSLU2... it appears that it only has one hard drive, so there is no redundancy there. Raid is a definite requirement for network storage... and it is USB. RJ45 is also a requirement.
The lacie... cool, but WAY expensive. At least the Thecus one is only $340...
It seems like Thecus is the only company making a dual enclosure NAS for anything that approaches affordability though. How very strange...
Your link did not work but I believe I remember reading the article you wanted to link.
The problem is a cabinet of any kind is not a good place for any storage device.
has a fan and requires air circulation to operate properly. In reality this is an embedded computer with RAID 0/1 and a case for 2 hard drives.
All modern hard drives and CPUs require air circulation so an enclosed space is not ideal for them.
Heat, humidity, temperature extremes, mechanical vibration, shock and other factors can cause serious problems for hard drives and computers alike and can decrease their service life. This is true for a Snap, Lacie, Thecus, or anything you might build yourself.
I could build you a fireproof safe with a custom NAS inside however you would have to cool the outside of the safe itself which would have to be modified to act as a giant heatsink.
Hrm... well, there is a way to get airflow, even there. Just cut a couple holes in the bottom and top, install case fans in both, so that it takes air in from the top and blows it out the bottom (less dust that way, I would think... though I would still stick an air filter on the intake), and you could keep a reasonable amount of airflow running through the box. Then you'd just need to get something that you could get the case fans to run off of.
Hrm... well, there is a way to get airflow, even there. Just cut a couple holes in the bottom and top, install case fans in both, so that it takes air in from the top and blows it out the bottom (less dust that way, I would think... though I would still stick an air filter on the intake), and you could keep a reasonable amount of airflow running through the box. Then you'd just need to get something that you could get the case fans to run off of.
I mean, it could work...
It would work but the safe would no longer be fireproof which is the whole point of having the safe in the first place.
PS There's no such thing as a fireproof safe. Fire-resistant maybe.
Now as for the Linksys NSLU2... it appears that it only has one hard drive, so there is no redundancy there. Raid is a definite requirement for network storage... and it is USB. RJ45 is also a requirement.
The NSLU2 has two external USB connections for 2 HD's that can be mirrored and it IS connected to the nextowrk through RJ45. If your looking to save money and get alot of free add-on MODs. trust me you can go this route. Check my Sig for what mine is ued for.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I didn't mean putting fans in a fireproof safe, I meant the in-wall utility closet, like they were talking about in that tomshardwareguide article, so that ALL of the networking equipment is in the wall and doesn' take up even 1" of floorspace.
As for the NSLU2, how odd. I thought it was an enclosure from glancing at it, but instead a hub for USB drivfes? How very strange, yes, it may work, though having 2 HD enclosures and that would take up more room, it would be less expensive than the $340 for that dual-drive enclosure. Again, how very strange... Thanks!
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I didn't mean putting fans in a fireproof safe, I meant the in-wall utility closet, like they were talking about in that tomshardwareguide article, so that ALL of the networking equipment is in the wall and doesn' take up even 1" of floorspace.
As for the NSLU2, how odd. I thought it was an enclosure from glancing at it, but instead a hub for USB drivfes? How very strange, yes, it may work, though having 2 HD enclosures and that would take up more room, it would be less expensive than the $340 for that dual-drive enclosure. Again, how very strange... Thanks!
It is indeed an interesting device, relatively inexpensive and relatively small.
The disadvantages are:
it is slower
does not support RAID
would be 3 enclosures vs. 1
You could certainly cable tie or Velcro the 3 enclosures together thus eliminating 1 problem.
However when you are building a network or wiring closet or what have you, it is very important to make everything easily accessible for maintenance purposes, upgrades, device resets, etc.
You can't just stuff everything into the wall, seal it up and forget about it.
I have wired several buildings big and small and I always try to drop all the cables where they need to go and then drop them all into a proper wiring closet with an easily accessible patch panel and equipment shelves about 4 or 5 ft (1.2 - 1.5m ) off the floor for residential installs. For commercial installs it's always a good idea to terminate everything using STD 19" racks with rackmount patch panels, rackmount equipment when possible or rackmount shelves for equipment that is not rackmountable.
I'd be recommending Gigabit Ethernet or Dual Gigabit Ethernet as the interface if speed is a concern. Because capacity these days usually isn't.