Unlocking pipelines for these X800 GTO's?

Can either of these X800 GTO's be unlocked to 16 pipelines as well as being able to be OC'ed well? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102609
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Can either of these X800 GTO's be unlocked to 16 pipelines as well as being able to be OC'ed well? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102609
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The Sapphire Fireblade and Limited Edition can be unlocked, and than all x800GTO2's can be, because they use the R480 core as does the x850XT.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Reply to MadModMike

I have not heard of a single AGP GTO being successfully unlocked. You do have potential for a very good OC though.

Reply to pauldh

Do you all know where I could get a good AGP X800 GTO/GTO2 that can be unlocked. I'd also be interested in an AGP X800 XT and X850XT. I also noticed the X800 Pro on newegg. I wasn't sure how good of a card it is, though.

Reply to Ashrym

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I have not heard of a single AGP GTO being successfully unlocked. You do have potential for a very good OC though.

How could this even be an option really? ATI would lose so much money over something like this.

Reply to UsernameX

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How could this even be an option really? ATI would lose so much money over something like this.

Both Ati and Nvidia have made unlockable cards.

Ati started with the 9500 that could in some cases be unlocked to a full 9700 PRO with a simple solder bridge. (see my avatar)

It's just how they get rid of old stock, or GPUs that didn't make the cut. Most of the time they have safeguards to prevent it, but there are notable exceptions.

Reply to Cleeve

9550 is a 9600 with lower clockspeeds. Can't be unlocked, it has 4 pipes on the GPU and nothing else.

Reply to Cleeve

I have an AGP Saphire X800GTO that I bought from Newegg. Mine has an R430 core which doesn't overclock well but, using ATItool I found that mine was unlockable to 16 pipes. I used an X800XL bios and ATIflash. There are no gaurantees that every card will be unlockable.

Reply to Scougs

As for overclocking, that depends on which core you get. The R430 doesn't overclock much at all but the R480 overclocks really well. I don't know if any of the AGP ones come with R480s or not. The memroy on these cards usually overclock pretty well though. I have mine at 528 MHz actual clock right now vs. 490 MHz stock.

Reply to Scougs

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X800GTO2 and the Fireblade from Sapphire can be unlocked. All other normal GTOs cannot be unlocked.

Don't know about that ... I read somewhere that when having run ATI Tool, if all the letters in a string aren't ALL "F"s, you cannot unlock it.

I just bought a GTO FireBlade, ran ATI Tool and found something like "FFFFDFFF" (can't remember how many Fs there were).

All Fs or no unlock.

Reply to Impulse

Not all of the characters have to be an 'F'

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xXXXXFXXX
(the fifth character after the little x has to be an 'F')

CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xXXXXXXXF
(the last character has to be an 'F')

If these requirements are met, the card can be unlocked via bios flash.

I have heard of people moding cards which have a laser cut but I don't know about that. The laser cut I think makes one of the required 'F's be something else.

Reply to Scougs

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Not all of the characters have to be an 'F'

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xXXXXFXXX
(the fifth character after the little x has to be an 'F')

CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xXXXXXXXF
(the last character has to be an 'F')

If these requirements are met, the card can be unlocked via bios flash.

I have heard of people moding cards which have a laser cut but I don't know about that. The laser cut I think makes one of the required 'F's be something else.

So let me be the first to confirm that all GTO FireBlade cards are NOT guaranteed to be unlockable.

My string was FFFDFFF.

Thanks Scougs.

Reply to Impulse

Assuming that you are looking at the CONFIG_DIE_FUSES, you are missing one character so it is hard to tell. The fifth character needs to be an 'F' so ther are four characters before and three after.

Reply to Scougs

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As for overclocking, that depends on which core you get. The R430 doesn't overclock much at all but the R480 overclocks really well. I don't know if any of the AGP ones come with R480s or not. The memroy on these cards usually overclock pretty well though. I have mine at 528 MHz actual clock right now vs. 490 MHz stock.

And let me confirm that, despite not being unlockable, my GTO FireBlade is quite an overclocker ...

ran the max tests and found core max at 595 (stock at 400) and the mem max at 600 (stock at 490?)

I pulled back to 550 and 550 and am quite happy.

Reply to Impulse

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Assuming that you are looking at the CONFIG_DIE_FUSES, you are missing one character so it is hard to tell. The fifth character needs to be an 'F' so ther are four characters before and three after.

Sorry, should have matched what was written earlier ... FFFFDFFF (eight characters).

Oh well.

Reply to Impulse

Whoops I didn't think to look above. So anyway, you are proabably getting about the same performance at 550 and 12 pipes as my card at 425 and 16 pipes.

Reply to Scougs

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Whoops I didn't think to look above. So anyway, you are proabably getting about the same performance at 550 and 12 pipes as my card at 425 and 16 pipes.

Dude, I was feeling a little cheated because I couldn't unlock, but your last post made my day.

Don't know if it's fact but it's consolation nonetheless.

Thanks.

Reply to Impulse

on my x800 pro i get 620 core 620 memory i do pretty well

Reply to handym3000

I think that the fill rate is almost exactly the same between our two setups.
550*12=6600
425*16=6800

That might not be exactly how it works but comparitively it is pretty close.
Your card is PCIe isn't it? Mine is AGP.

Reply to Scougs

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I think that the fill rate is almost exactly the same between our two setups.
550*12=6600
425*16=6800

That might not be exactly how it works but comparitively it is pretty close.
Your card is PCIe isn't it? Mine is AGP.

Actually, yes, it is a PCIE. And you're over my head with the calculations, but looking at tests on sites comparing this card vs that card, for what I paid ($185 CDN), I'm happy as hell.

Oh, "handym3000", I don't know where the 800PRO ranks vs my 800GTO, but those #s look good.

Reply to Impulse

As far as I know, the X800pro is a 12 pipe card. I don't know how it compares on pixel shaders but they are probably the same. If your card satisfies the requirements that I mentioned above you might be able to flash your card to enable more pipes. I am not sure which core usually comes on the X800pro so I don't know what kind of bios you could try. The core is probably a R420 or R423.

Edit:
I meant this as a reply to Handym3000

Reply to Scougs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 814131424R
does that have a r480 core?

Reply to TenaciousleyDead

I have Sapphire X800 GTO with R480 Chip and so far I haven't found a way to unlock it yet. however I overclock the card to 560 core/ 610 memory with ATITool stock fan. Although don't I play that much game so I underclock my P4 2Gig to 1.4 Gig and 300 core/ 610 memory on GPU.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 814131424R
does that have a r480 core?

Can't say for sure ... my card is by Sapphire and I don't know enough about Powercolor. But the specs look identical to mine out of the box. If it's anything like mine, you'd be crazy not to get it for $120 US, if there's a warranty (since it's refurbished).

I can't say for sure that all GTOs have the R480 core or that they're as overclockable as mine.

For the money, it's a no-brainer.

Reply to Impulse

:?: Are there step by step instructions on unlocking the other 4 pipes on the X800 GTO 480core? I have been having some problems finding exactly what to do. I am also a detailed instruction person, I like to know exactly what to do.

Reply to Jarii246

Download and install ATItool: http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

Click the settings button and choose overclocking in the drop-down menu.

Scroll down until you can see the CONFIG_DIE_FUSES and CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES.

Verify that your card can be unlocked by checking for an ‘F’ in the indicated positions of the hexadecimal each number. The capital X represents any hexadecimal number (0-9 or A-F).

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xXXXXFXXX
(the fifth character after the little x must be an 'F')

CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xXXXXXXXF
(the last character must be an 'F')

If ATItool reads an ‘F’ in the indicated spots, you should be able to unlock your card. If not, I am afraid you are out of luck.

Now select miscellaneous in the drop-down menu.

Click the button that says “Save VGA Bios to file...”. Give the file a simple name like “12pipe.bin”. This will be your backup copy.

Make a second copy, which will be modified, and name it something like “16pipe.bin”.

Download the hex editor from this website (I would recommend using the “stable” version instead of the beta version): http://www.mh-nexus.de/programs.htm#HxD
This software will allow you to modify your bios to enable the pipelines.

Extract the hex editor program and run it. Open “16pipe.bin”.

Find the row marked 00000070 and the column labeled ‘A’. You should find ‘61’ at that location. The second bit represents the number of disabled pixel pipe quads. Change the data value to ‘60’ to enable all 16 pixel pipes.

Note: If you ever get bord later you can mess around with disabling pipes. 1 means four pipes are disabled (X800GTO), 2 means eight pipes are disabled (X800GT), 3 means twelve pipes are disabled (yep only 4 left active).

Save the modified bios and exit the hex editor.

I recommend using ATIflash.
You can download it at the bottom of this page: http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/

This webpage has pretty good instructions on how to flash your bios:
http://www.techpowerup.com/article [...] vidcard/34

If you follow my naming conventions, the DOS command line input should be: atiflash.exe -f -p 0 16pipe.bin

It has been a while since I have helped someone do this and I don't know if this is the best set of instructions that I have written. So if you have any questions, let me know and I'll try to help you out.

Reply to Scougs

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Download and install ATItool: http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

Click the settings button and choose overclocking in the drop-down menu.

Scroll down until you can see the CONFIG_DIE_FUSES and CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES.

Verify that your card can be unlocked by checking for an ‘F’ in the indicated positions of the hexadecimal each number. The capital X represents any hexadecimal number (0-9 or A-F).

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xXXXXFXXX
(the fifth character after the little x must be an 'F')

CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xXXXXXXXF
(the last character must be an 'F')

If ATItool reads an ‘F’ in the indicated spots, you should be able to unlock your card. If not, I am afraid you are out of luck.

Now select miscellaneous in the drop-down menu.

Click the button that says “Save VGA Bios to file...”. Give the file a simple name like “12pipe.bin”. This will be your backup copy.

Make a second copy, which will be modified, and name it something like “16pipe.bin”.

Download the hex editor from this website (I would recommend using the “stable” version instead of the beta version): http://www.mh-nexus.de/programs.htm#HxD
This software will allow you to modify your bios to enable the pipelines.

Extract the hex editor program and run it. Open “16pipe.bin”.

Find the row marked 00000070 and the column labeled ‘A’. You should find ‘61’ at that location. The second bit represents the number of disabled pixel pipe quads. Change the data value to ‘60’ to enable all 16 pixel pipes.

Note: If you ever get bord later you can mess around with disabling pipes. 1 means four pipes are disabled (X800GTO), 2 means eight pipes are disabled (X800GT), 3 means twelve pipes are disabled (yep only 4 left active).

Save the modified bios and exit the hex editor.

I recommend using ATIflash.
You can download it at the bottom of this page: http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/

This webpage has pretty good instructions on how to flash your bios:
http://www.techpowerup.com/article [...] vidcard/34

If you follow my naming conventions, the DOS command line input should be: atiflash.exe -f -p 0 16pipe.bin

It has been a while since I have helped someone do this and I don't know if this is the best set of instructions that I have written. So if you have any questions, let me know and I'll try to help you out.

That seems to be the setup how you helped me to do it, and after an ititial scare when I screwed up flashing, it's all working great now.

If you do it though, I would reccomend some extra cooling, as the Sapphire I have is a little lacking in this department. I've only crashed once, the other day, and that was after pushing Call of Duty, into 92.8 degrees celsius.

Reply to RMThompson

I have an AS5 cooling system installed on the card, everythign stayes cool...

The ATI tool dosent show:
CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xXXXXFXXX
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xXXXXXXXF
There isnt any entry in that section that is even close to that.

I havent been able to find this anywhere under the ATI tool drop down menue.

I was able to export the bios of the videocard and edit it with the hex editor. The problem is that with the ati flash if I use it not on a boot disk it dosent recognise my video card as a device.

I know it is the 480 core because when I changed the cooling it had 480 on the chip.

Ack, this is frustraiting.....

Reply to Jarii246

Hold down your Ctrl key, and then click the settings button in ATi Tool.

Reply to GeneticWeapon

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Hold down your Ctrl key, and then click the settings button in ATi Tool.

Holding doen Ctrl didnt work, holding SHIFT did. After that my address was 0xFFFFDF

So, no unlocking for me :-(

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