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March 20, 2006 8:08:32 PM

what is the better cpu to get i know that the 805 d is a dual core and the 3700+ is single but what is the better cpu to get.
i dont over clock so that is not important to me.

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March 20, 2006 8:17:16 PM

I guess the question is.. what is important to you? As far as what you do or going to do with the PC your building?
March 20, 2006 8:28:45 PM

if you are gaming mostly, then get the 3700+ otherwise i'm not sure which is better but i'm sure the only thing the intel will be better for is multitasking because it's dual core and has hyper threading
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March 20, 2006 8:41:38 PM

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if you are gaming mostly, then get the 3700+ otherwise i'm not sure which is better but i'm sure the only thing the intel will be better for is multitasking because it's dual core and has hyper threading

Pentium D 805 is dualcore, but has no hyper threading.
There are almost no apps compiled for multicore processing, so 3700+ is the right choice anyway.
March 20, 2006 8:44:57 PM

thanks i purchased the cpu already and was just second guessing if i got the better one. because i was debating between the two. btw it was the 3700 that i got.
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March 20, 2006 9:15:31 PM

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if you are gaming mostly, then get the 3700+ otherwise i'm not sure which is better but i'm sure the only thing the intel will be better for is multitasking because it's dual core and has hyper threading

Pentium D 805 is dualcore, but has no hyper threading.
There are almost no apps compiled for multicore processing, so 3700+ is the right choice anyway.

Windows is multithreaded so multitasking works great so dont BS how things arnt for dualcore (keeps things like AV buisy while gaming etc).

The 3700+ is faster single core and good enough for general usage, the dualcore would have been good for future poofing.

You are aware you need the appropriate board and system for each chip BTW?
March 20, 2006 11:27:08 PM

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if you are gaming mostly, then get the 3700+ otherwise i'm not sure which is better but i'm sure the only thing the intel will be better for is multitasking because it's dual core and has hyper threading

Pentium D 805 is dualcore, but has no hyper threading.
There are almost no apps compiled for multicore processing, so 3700+ is the right choice anyway.

Windows is multithreaded so multitasking works great so dont BS how things arnt for dualcore (keeps things like AV buisy while gaming etc).

The 3700+ is faster single core and good enough for general usage, the dualcore would have been good for future poofing.

You are aware you need the appropriate board and system for each chip BTW?

yeah both cpu's were to include a board that was based on the same chipset the intel was a asus board and the amd was a ecs board. the main thing i seen was that the amd setup was 220 and the intel setup was 200. since im not planing on staying with this board i went with the and since it was the bigger savings. but till i get a better board im stuck with this one.
one thing i noticed is that the sound level went down and it is almost like there is no fans but they are running
March 20, 2006 11:59:45 PM

The only reason to get an 805 is if ur a total cheap ass.. or if ur an overclocker
March 21, 2006 12:37:55 AM

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The only reason to get an 805 is if ur a total cheap ass.. or if ur an overclocker


:roll: . o O (I know, I'm a cheapo)

I guess its the same for AMD buyers..

Getting the Opty 175 to OC to FX60 instead of buying the FX 60.

:oops:  <--sreams down the hallways.. "the AMD Cheapos are coming, the AMD Cheapos are coming!!"
March 21, 2006 1:03:59 AM

i was looking at the id # on the box and it is the clawhammer the part # is ada3700cfbox.
what is the difference between the sd and the clawhammer other than the stepping #?

also is 53C normal temp for nothing running but windows. i know that some will say check the seating of the fan but i dont know how you can set it in wrong as it sits in teh space and clips down then twists the little lock into place.
March 21, 2006 1:08:28 AM

See.. now we have to explain the difference of SD and Clawhammer.. He should have got the 805..

J/K!!!

edit: :oops:  . o O (I though this was the Intel Pentium 4 640 vs 641 Question thread for a few mins)

Clawhammer, if I remeber right, will run hotter.

SD should OC better...

Errr, tats all I remember. :cry: 
March 21, 2006 1:29:56 AM

thanks for the update i never payed attn to what the cpus were doing till i decided to upgrade from my 2500+ that has been very good to me for the last 2 years. and maybe that fact that the clawhammer runs a little hotter might be why it runs in the low to mid 50's at idle.
March 21, 2006 1:34:39 AM

Perhaps getting a Zalman 7700 or 9500 Copper HSF may help keep that beast cool, that is if your using the stock HSF. Might be worth the cost, unless you send it back for a Sandy.
March 21, 2006 2:34:36 AM

i just ran a cpu burn in for like 20 min and it never got above 62c and what i used to check the temp was teh amd cool and quiet dashboard when i shut the burn in off it instantly dropped to 57c. i think the stock fan will do i was just concerned but it looks as if everything is ok
March 21, 2006 5:42:33 AM

The 805 is a freaking joke at stock. To even dream of getting really good performance out of it, you need to overclock..and overclock it shall :D 
http://hkepc.com/hwdb/pd-805-2.htm
3.7 on stock cooling
Since you're not overclocking, a 3700 san diego core will blow it away, even in a dual-threaded application.
March 21, 2006 6:18:59 AM

Your temps do seem wrong. Chances are really good that it's just the ECS board reading things wrong.
Not to insult you, but did you take the clear plastic layer off the bottom of the hsf?
March 21, 2006 6:27:45 AM

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Your temps do seem wrong. Chances are really good that it's just the ECS board reading things wrong.
Not to insult you, but did you take the clear plastic layer off the bottom of the hsf?


lol that was not a insult because i could imagin someone making that mistake. but yes i removed it.

i was thinking that it might be the board also and im using onboard gpu at the moment it is a radeon express 200. i found a 6200 for 45 bucks so i ordered that to hold me over till i get more funds to upgrade the board then a new gpu.

will the onboard gpu increase the temp since it is demanding cpu power?
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March 21, 2006 6:34:53 AM

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if you are gaming mostly, then get the 3700+ otherwise i'm not sure which is better but i'm sure the only thing the intel will be better for is multitasking because it's dual core and has hyper threading

Pentium D 805 is dualcore, but has no hyper threading.
There are almost no apps compiled for multicore processing, so 3700+ is the right choice anyway.

Windows is multithreaded so multitasking works great so dont BS how things arnt for dualcore (keeps things like AV buisy while gaming etc).

The 3700+ is faster single core and good enough for general usage, the dualcore would have been good for future poofing.

You are aware you need the appropriate board and system for each chip BTW?

yeah both cpu's were to include a board that was based on the same chipset the intel was a asus board and the amd was a ecs board. the main thing i seen was that the amd setup was 220 and the intel setup was 200. since im not planing on staying with this board i went with the and since it was the bigger savings. but till i get a better board im stuck with this one.
one thing i noticed is that the sound level went down and it is almost like there is no fans but they are running

by god DONT TOUCH THE ECS CRAP BOARDS - NEVER GO SKIMPY ON THE MOTHERBOARD and also dont touch s754.
March 21, 2006 6:57:07 AM

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if you are gaming mostly, then get the 3700+ otherwise i'm not sure which is better but i'm sure the only thing the intel will be better for is multitasking because it's dual core and has hyper threading

Pentium D 805 is dualcore, but has no hyper threading.
There are almost no apps compiled for multicore processing, so 3700+ is the right choice anyway.

Windows is multithreaded so multitasking works great so dont BS how things arnt for dualcore (keeps things like AV buisy while gaming etc).

The 3700+ is faster single core and good enough for general usage, the dualcore would have been good for future poofing.

You are aware you need the appropriate board and system for each chip BTW?

yeah both cpu's were to include a board that was based on the same chipset the intel was a asus board and the amd was a ecs board. the main thing i seen was that the amd setup was 220 and the intel setup was 200. since im not planing on staying with this board i went with the and since it was the bigger savings. but till i get a better board im stuck with this one.
one thing i noticed is that the sound level went down and it is almost like there is no fans but they are running

by god DONT TOUCH THE ECS CRAP BOARDS - NEVER GO SKIMPY ON THE MOTHERBOARD and also dont touch s754.

lol i dont like ecs either and it is not a s754 it is 939. the board and cpu was a combo deal for 220$ and i could not pass that up since the cpu is around that price anywhere you look if not higher. it will just hold me over till i can get a better board i have a lanparty for my xp2500+ and would like to get a lanparty board that is 939 for this cpu but till i can save the money up to get the board this one will have to do.

btw here is my cpu info can you verify that it is a claw http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=80651
March 21, 2006 6:43:22 PM

I suggest the 3700. DO NOT use Intel. They suck. If you want a dual core AMD for a good price, go for the 4200+. I'm getting the 4800+.
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March 21, 2006 10:17:10 PM

"and also dont touch s754.
"

Agreed, getting a 754 Sempron 3000+ for $75 that will keep up with an A64/2800+ in pretty much all applications is a bad deal budgetwise! :-)
March 21, 2006 10:29:45 PM

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lol that was not a insult because i could imagin someone making that mistake.


right here... :oops:  and I got a ECS mobo, too. So smart of me.

what cpu are you running on that ecs board and what model board do you have? also what is your temps.
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March 22, 2006 6:48:37 PM

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I suggest the 3700. DO NOT use Intel. They suck. If you want a dual core AMD for a good price, go for the 4200+. I'm getting the 4800+.


carefull fanboy, i can call the "conroe makes you amd look like crap" comment and smack your comment goodbye.
March 23, 2006 1:58:32 AM

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btw here is my cpu info can you verify that it is a claw http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=80651


SSE3 = San Diago, and your cpu is WAY too hot. My Venice at 2.9ghz was under 60c, and I slowed it down to stay under 50c (2.75ghz.)
March 23, 2006 2:05:00 AM

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btw here is my cpu info can you verify that it is a claw http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=80651


SSE3 = San Diago, and your cpu is WAY too hot. My Venice at 2.9ghz was under 60c, and I slowed it down to stay under 50c (2.75ghz.)
holy balls what were you using for cooling?!
March 23, 2006 2:21:55 AM

It a Foxconn AMD stock fan look-alike. I left side of the case off. 8)

My Freezer Pro will be here tomorrow!!!!
March 23, 2006 2:49:46 AM

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It a Foxconn AMD stock fan look-alike. I left side of the case off. 8)

My Freezer Pro will be here tomorrow!!!!

lol...nice =/
I bought an XP90 and a vantec tornado thinking I'd need it to cool a venice to 2.8 Lmao
March 23, 2006 4:47:28 PM

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btw here is my cpu info can you verify that it is a claw http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=80651


SSE3 = San Diago, and your cpu is WAY too hot. My Venice at 2.9ghz was under 60c, and I slowed it down to stay under 50c (2.75ghz.)

are you saying my cpu is running to hot? my max temp i got was 63c and that was under a burnin test. lowese was 50c. when i looked on amd.com it said 49-71 so wouldnt that put me in the normal range?
here is some info from a program a got called pc wizard 2006 and these are the normal readings i always get.

Monitoring Chip : Fintek
CPU Core : 2.00 V
+12V Voltage : 6.55 V
Chassis Fan : 3916 rpm
Processor Fan : 5836 rpm
Power/Aux Fan : 378 rpm
Processor Temperature : 53 °C
: 0.00 V
March 23, 2006 7:40:42 PM

I ended up ordering a Zalman 7700. Chances are, I'll get it Monday, since I went for 3 day free shipping. :D 

Got that HSF for 48.99. Thought it was a nice deal, since CompUSA had it, but it was the 7000 for 49.99+tax. So, I guess more time is all thats going to cost me.

Hopefully this monster copper HSF will fit. My RAM is kinda close to the CPU, and I kinda fear that it maybe too big. :lol:  I think I should be okay on it.

But once I get it installed.. I'll prolly let you guys know how my P4 northy will do with it.

As far as temp... 60+C can be a pain, since it does warm things up in the case. Yes, its under the thermal limit (80+C I'm guess max, some say 90+C).

But if you can get the temps down below 50C (40-47C), I believe things will be much cooler, since the PSU needs cool air, but is getting hot air from the CPU (depending on case exhaust), and how long you run it under stress.

That would be why most peeps (my guess) are concerned about those temps in the 60's (looking at the overall temp, the PC produces). At stock speeds my stock HSF gets 55-57C on full load. A OC to 3ghz, full load on it is 63-65C. But of course I know were talking AMD rather then Intel here. (But northys are supposively cooler then prescotts, but for some reason, I'm not seeing it).
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