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Anonymous
January 5, 2005 8:20:55 PM

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Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE INVOLVED).

This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
limitations).

Now for the Kicker:

It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same unadvertised
price.... $299

Run, Don't walk...

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Anonymous
January 6, 2005 1:10:17 PM

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"DoubleEntendre" <potatoesjoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8LZCd.34583$NC6.22609@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE
INVOLVED).
>
> This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
> limitations).
>
> Now for the Kicker:
>
> It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same unadvertised
> price.... $299
>
> Run, Don't walk...
-----------------------
Yeah... Watch the running costs!
I take it these are US prices so Ill do a rough conversion. $375
Australian.
The black toner replacement is $180 Australian and the colour, $220 each by
3 colours.
That's $880 Australian (maybe $700 US for a replacement set of toners!!!

At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers away
and still make a profit on the first recharge. If you're gonna run... Make
sure you know which direction is away!

Doug
Anonymous
January 6, 2005 8:56:42 PM

Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

Warning... these printers use starter cartridges, which have about 1/3rd
the toner in them from the normal replacement.

Konica IS giving you the printer, you are paying for the toner in the
printer at purchase, and they are hoping you will then pay many times
over for the refills and transfer belt.

BTW the transfer belt consumable number... it is used 4 times for each
color print.

Art

Ryadia wrote:

> "DoubleEntendre" <potatoesjoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8LZCd.34583$NC6.22609@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>
>>Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE
>
> INVOLVED).
>
>>This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
>>limitations).
>>
>>Now for the Kicker:
>>
>>It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same unadvertised
>>price.... $299
>>
>>Run, Don't walk...
>
> -----------------------
> Yeah... Watch the running costs!
> I take it these are US prices so Ill do a rough conversion. $375
> Australian.
> The black toner replacement is $180 Australian and the colour, $220 each by
> 3 colours.
> That's $880 Australian (maybe $700 US for a replacement set of toners!!!
>
> At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers away
> and still make a profit on the first recharge. If you're gonna run... Make
> sure you know which direction is away!
>
> Doug
>
>
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Anonymous
January 6, 2005 8:56:43 PM

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Anyone, that pays $1+ each for color copies at the local print shop, can pay
this off very shortly, then if one is smart enough to refill, things began
to fit in as a money maker. Remember, I did say "Limitations"....OK...Walk
fast, don't walk normal....LOL...



"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
news:uZeDd.53140$dv1.41829@edtnps89...
> Warning... these printers use starter cartridges, which have about 1/3rd
> the toner in them from the normal replacement.
>
> Konica IS giving you the printer, you are paying for the toner in the
> printer at purchase, and they are hoping you will then pay many times
> over for the refills and transfer belt.
>
> BTW the transfer belt consumable number... it is used 4 times for each
> color print.
>
> Art
>
> Ryadia wrote:
>
> > "DoubleEntendre" <potatoesjoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8LZCd.34583$NC6.22609@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> >
> >>Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE
> >
> > INVOLVED).
> >
> >>This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
> >>limitations).
> >>
> >>Now for the Kicker:
> >>
> >>It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same unadvertised
> >>price.... $299
> >>
> >>Run, Don't walk...
> >
> > -----------------------
> > Yeah... Watch the running costs!
> > I take it these are US prices so Ill do a rough conversion. $375
> > Australian.
> > The black toner replacement is $180 Australian and the colour, $220 each
by
> > 3 colours.
> > That's $880 Australian (maybe $700 US for a replacement set of toners!!!
> >
> > At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers
away
> > and still make a profit on the first recharge. If you're gonna run...
Make
> > sure you know which direction is away!
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
January 7, 2005 2:32:37 AM

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In article <d88Dd.106429$K7.7888@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Ryadia" <ryadia@hotmail.com> wrote:

> At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers away
> and still make a profit on the first recharge.

http://www.freecolorprinters.com
Anonymous
January 9, 2005 3:56:37 AM

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That assumes one gets $300 worth of prints from the starter cartridges,
I guess.

I currently pay $.60 CAN (.48 US) for a color 8.5 x 11 laser copy in
quantity (200 copy punch card). The printer costs $299 US. That would
mean I would have to get 623 (at $.48 US/copy) copies out of it before
it would break even for me.

I just checked consumables cost. The drum is good for about 11,000
color copies, so it won't need replacement (assuming it doesn't get
damaged prematurely), for some time to come. The starter cartridges are
good for 1500 copies each at 5%. They now call these "standard
cartridges" and what used to be the standard cartridges are now referred
to as "high yield" at 4500 copies each at 5% coverage.

So, let's just say I use the printer for one set of "standard"
cartridges (the ones that came in the printer) and I buy one set of
"high yield" cartridges, which cost me $475 US for the set. That puts
my investment at $774 US. (The "standard" cartridges are much more
costly per amount of toner). For that amount, I could buy 1613 color
copies at $.48US/each. Seems like a pretty good deal for the printer
then... after all, it's going to give me 4500 plus 1500 copies, or 6000
copies total for the same price.

Except for one thing. That's "up to" 6,000 copies at 5% coverage per
color. That means if coverage is 10% per color, I only get 3000 copies,
and if it is 20% coverage per color, then I get only 1500 copies. And if
I use 30% coverage per color, well that's only 1000 copies.

I shoot very colorful dense color images. I fill the page when I make
color copies, and I easily use 30% per toner color per copy, maybe more.

So, suddenly, at 1000 copies (30% coverage per color), and I'm paying
$.77.4 cents per copy rather than $.48, and I'm paying for ruined
copies, electricity, insurance, and any maintenance costs, also. But
that might equal the convenience and travel costs to the printer and
back. I provide my own card stock at $.48 each, so that's a bust either
way. But on the copies I get made, I only pay federal tax in Canada.
The provincial I collect at point of sale, or my retailers do. If I buy
the machine with toner, I have to pay both taxes on the costs, although
I might have an argument that since there is only a $5 difference
between the cost of the "standard" (1500 copy at 5% coverage) toner
cartridges and the whole printer, that the printer cost is really only
the price of the consumables in it, and therefore should be provincial
tax free.

So, the printer is literally given to you free with the purchase of the
starter cartridges, just like many inkjet printers today. For people
who actually do pay $1 US each for a color copy, this could be a
savings, as long as they are going to print a lot of color copies, but
only if they do not print dense photographic images.

So, all I say is do your math before you buy.

Art

DoubleEntendre wrote:

> Anyone, that pays $1+ each for color copies at the local print shop, can pay
> this off very shortly, then if one is smart enough to refill, things began
> to fit in as a money maker. Remember, I did say "Limitations"....OK...Walk
> fast, don't walk normal....LOL...
>
>
>
> "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:uZeDd.53140$dv1.41829@edtnps89...
>
>>Warning... these printers use starter cartridges, which have about 1/3rd
>>the toner in them from the normal replacement.
>>
>>Konica IS giving you the printer, you are paying for the toner in the
>>printer at purchase, and they are hoping you will then pay many times
>>over for the refills and transfer belt.
>>
>>BTW the transfer belt consumable number... it is used 4 times for each
>>color print.
>>
>>Art
>>
>>Ryadia wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"DoubleEntendre" <potatoesjoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8LZCd.34583$NC6.22609@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE
>>>
>>>INVOLVED).
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
>>>>limitations).
>>>>
>>>>Now for the Kicker:
>>>>
>>>>It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same unadvertised
>>>>price.... $299
>>>>
>>>>Run, Don't walk...
>>>
>>>-----------------------
>>>Yeah... Watch the running costs!
>>>I take it these are US prices so Ill do a rough conversion. $375
>>>Australian.
>>>The black toner replacement is $180 Australian and the colour, $220 each
>
> by
>
>>>3 colours.
>>>That's $880 Australian (maybe $700 US for a replacement set of toners!!!
>>>
>>>At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers
>
> away
>
>>>and still make a profit on the first recharge. If you're gonna run...
>
> Make
>
>>>sure you know which direction is away!
>>>
>>>Doug
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
January 11, 2005 11:06:59 PM

Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

Excellent, you covered it quite well!

I use about 15% color coverage in what I do, Refilling has worked wonders, &
reading & knowing how to reset the other (not cartridges) consumables makes
this a goose that can lay the golden egg.

Again, excellent observations, limitations (key word).

I guess we all strive to get the "best" for the buck/pound.

Thanks AE






"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
news:9j%Dd.63731$dv1.23978@edtnps89...
> That assumes one gets $300 worth of prints from the starter cartridges,
> I guess.
>
> I currently pay $.60 CAN (.48 US) for a color 8.5 x 11 laser copy in
> quantity (200 copy punch card). The printer costs $299 US. That would
> mean I would have to get 623 (at $.48 US/copy) copies out of it before
> it would break even for me.
>
> I just checked consumables cost. The drum is good for about 11,000
> color copies, so it won't need replacement (assuming it doesn't get
> damaged prematurely), for some time to come. The starter cartridges are
> good for 1500 copies each at 5%. They now call these "standard
> cartridges" and what used to be the standard cartridges are now referred
> to as "high yield" at 4500 copies each at 5% coverage.
>
> So, let's just say I use the printer for one set of "standard"
> cartridges (the ones that came in the printer) and I buy one set of
> "high yield" cartridges, which cost me $475 US for the set. That puts
> my investment at $774 US. (The "standard" cartridges are much more
> costly per amount of toner). For that amount, I could buy 1613 color
> copies at $.48US/each. Seems like a pretty good deal for the printer
> then... after all, it's going to give me 4500 plus 1500 copies, or 6000
> copies total for the same price.
>
> Except for one thing. That's "up to" 6,000 copies at 5% coverage per
> color. That means if coverage is 10% per color, I only get 3000 copies,
> and if it is 20% coverage per color, then I get only 1500 copies. And if
> I use 30% coverage per color, well that's only 1000 copies.
>
> I shoot very colorful dense color images. I fill the page when I make
> color copies, and I easily use 30% per toner color per copy, maybe more.
>
> So, suddenly, at 1000 copies (30% coverage per color), and I'm paying
> $.77.4 cents per copy rather than $.48, and I'm paying for ruined
> copies, electricity, insurance, and any maintenance costs, also. But
> that might equal the convenience and travel costs to the printer and
> back. I provide my own card stock at $.48 each, so that's a bust either
> way. But on the copies I get made, I only pay federal tax in Canada.
> The provincial I collect at point of sale, or my retailers do. If I buy
> the machine with toner, I have to pay both taxes on the costs, although
> I might have an argument that since there is only a $5 difference
> between the cost of the "standard" (1500 copy at 5% coverage) toner
> cartridges and the whole printer, that the printer cost is really only
> the price of the consumables in it, and therefore should be provincial
> tax free.
>
> So, the printer is literally given to you free with the purchase of the
> starter cartridges, just like many inkjet printers today. For people
> who actually do pay $1 US each for a color copy, this could be a
> savings, as long as they are going to print a lot of color copies, but
> only if they do not print dense photographic images.
>
> So, all I say is do your math before you buy.
>
> Art
>
> DoubleEntendre wrote:
>
> > Anyone, that pays $1+ each for color copies at the local print shop, can
pay
> > this off very shortly, then if one is smart enough to refill, things
began
> > to fit in as a money maker. Remember, I did say
"Limitations"....OK...Walk
> > fast, don't walk normal....LOL...
> >
> >
> >
> > "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
> > news:uZeDd.53140$dv1.41829@edtnps89...
> >
> >>Warning... these printers use starter cartridges, which have about 1/3rd
> >>the toner in them from the normal replacement.
> >>
> >>Konica IS giving you the printer, you are paying for the toner in the
> >>printer at purchase, and they are hoping you will then pay many times
> >>over for the refills and transfer belt.
> >>
> >>BTW the transfer belt consumable number... it is used 4 times for each
> >>color print.
> >>
> >>Art
> >>
> >>Ryadia wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"DoubleEntendre" <potatoesjoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:8LZCd.34583$NC6.22609@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE
> >>>
> >>>INVOLVED).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
> >>>>limitations).
> >>>>
> >>>>Now for the Kicker:
> >>>>
> >>>>It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same
unadvertised
> >>>>price.... $299
> >>>>
> >>>>Run, Don't walk...
> >>>
> >>>-----------------------
> >>>Yeah... Watch the running costs!
> >>>I take it these are US prices so Ill do a rough conversion. $375
> >>>Australian.
> >>>The black toner replacement is $180 Australian and the colour, $220
each
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>3 colours.
> >>>That's $880 Australian (maybe $700 US for a replacement set of
toners!!!
> >>>
> >>>At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers
> >
> > away
> >
> >>>and still make a profit on the first recharge. If you're gonna run...
> >
> > Make
> >
> >>>sure you know which direction is away!
> >>>
> >>>Doug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
!