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More info?)
Excellent, you covered it quite well!
I use about 15% color coverage in what I do, Refilling has worked wonders, &
reading & knowing how to reset the other (not cartridges) consumables makes
this a goose that can lay the golden egg.
Again, excellent observations, limitations (key word).
I guess we all strive to get the "best" for the buck/pound.
Thanks AE
"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
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> That assumes one gets $300 worth of prints from the starter cartridges,
> I guess.
>
> I currently pay $.60 CAN (.48 US) for a color 8.5 x 11 laser copy in
> quantity (200 copy punch card). The printer costs $299 US. That would
> mean I would have to get 623 (at $.48 US/copy) copies out of it before
> it would break even for me.
>
> I just checked consumables cost. The drum is good for about 11,000
> color copies, so it won't need replacement (assuming it doesn't get
> damaged prematurely), for some time to come. The starter cartridges are
> good for 1500 copies each at 5%. They now call these "standard
> cartridges" and what used to be the standard cartridges are now referred
> to as "high yield" at 4500 copies each at 5% coverage.
>
> So, let's just say I use the printer for one set of "standard"
> cartridges (the ones that came in the printer) and I buy one set of
> "high yield" cartridges, which cost me $475 US for the set. That puts
> my investment at $774 US. (The "standard" cartridges are much more
> costly per amount of toner). For that amount, I could buy 1613 color
> copies at $.48US/each. Seems like a pretty good deal for the printer
> then... after all, it's going to give me 4500 plus 1500 copies, or 6000
> copies total for the same price.
>
> Except for one thing. That's "up to" 6,000 copies at 5% coverage per
> color. That means if coverage is 10% per color, I only get 3000 copies,
> and if it is 20% coverage per color, then I get only 1500 copies. And if
> I use 30% coverage per color, well that's only 1000 copies.
>
> I shoot very colorful dense color images. I fill the page when I make
> color copies, and I easily use 30% per toner color per copy, maybe more.
>
> So, suddenly, at 1000 copies (30% coverage per color), and I'm paying
> $.77.4 cents per copy rather than $.48, and I'm paying for ruined
> copies, electricity, insurance, and any maintenance costs, also. But
> that might equal the convenience and travel costs to the printer and
> back. I provide my own card stock at $.48 each, so that's a bust either
> way. But on the copies I get made, I only pay federal tax in Canada.
> The provincial I collect at point of sale, or my retailers do. If I buy
> the machine with toner, I have to pay both taxes on the costs, although
> I might have an argument that since there is only a $5 difference
> between the cost of the "standard" (1500 copy at 5% coverage) toner
> cartridges and the whole printer, that the printer cost is really only
> the price of the consumables in it, and therefore should be provincial
> tax free.
>
> So, the printer is literally given to you free with the purchase of the
> starter cartridges, just like many inkjet printers today. For people
> who actually do pay $1 US each for a color copy, this could be a
> savings, as long as they are going to print a lot of color copies, but
> only if they do not print dense photographic images.
>
> So, all I say is do your math before you buy.
>
> Art
>
> DoubleEntendre wrote:
>
> > Anyone, that pays $1+ each for color copies at the local print shop, can
pay
> > this off very shortly, then if one is smart enough to refill, things
began
> > to fit in as a money maker. Remember, I did say
"Limitations"....OK...Walk
> > fast, don't walk normal....LOL...
> >
> >
> >
> > "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
> > news:uZeDd.53140$dv1.41829@edtnps89...
> >
> >>Warning... these printers use starter cartridges, which have about 1/3rd
> >>the toner in them from the normal replacement.
> >>
> >>Konica IS giving you the printer, you are paying for the toner in the
> >>printer at purchase, and they are hoping you will then pay many times
> >>over for the refills and transfer belt.
> >>
> >>BTW the transfer belt consumable number... it is used 4 times for each
> >>color print.
> >>
> >>Art
> >>
> >>Ryadia wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"DoubleEntendre" <potatoesjoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:8LZCd.34583$NC6.22609@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Staples has the Konica Minolta 2300W on Sale for $299 (NO REBATE
> >>>
> >>>INVOLVED).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This is a GREAT Deal (If you have need of a Color Laser & know it's
> >>>>limitations).
> >>>>
> >>>>Now for the Kicker:
> >>>>
> >>>>It's big brother, the 2200DL (network capable), is the same
unadvertised
> >>>>price.... $299
> >>>>
> >>>>Run, Don't walk...
> >>>
> >>>-----------------------
> >>>Yeah... Watch the running costs!
> >>>I take it these are US prices so Ill do a rough conversion. $375
> >>>Australian.
> >>>The black toner replacement is $180 Australian and the colour, $220
each
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>3 colours.
> >>>That's $880 Australian (maybe $700 US for a replacement set of
toners!!!
> >>>
> >>>At the prices they are selling toner, they could well give the printers
> >
> > away
> >
> >>>and still make a profit on the first recharge. If you're gonna run...
> >
> > Make
> >
> >>>sure you know which direction is away!
> >>>
> >>>Doug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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