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a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2006 11:41:14 AM

512MB 7800GT AGP? Here's the Inq link: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502

It's about time. With 20 pipes and those clock speeds, It should beat out the X850XTpe and 256MB 16-pipe 7800GS's. But what's the street price gonna be?

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March 23, 2006 12:26:19 PM

That's impressive - nice gift for an old rig. However, I'd like to know if they do the same for PCI-E... That's some serious speed being touted here, man.
March 23, 2006 12:40:25 PM

WTF??? It says a 7800GS...
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a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2006 1:05:40 PM

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WTF??? It says a 7800GS...


Try reading the whole article.

This card's magic is that it actually has G71, Geforce 7800 GT PCIe core bridged down to AGP.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2006 1:26:09 PM

Probably not allowed by NV to name an AGP card "7800GT". But Kudo's to Gainward for releasing the AGP card that NV should have given us. Of course, if it's $400+ USD, then it still has little real value. That's what I am expecting, so while nice to see...who's gonna buy it? A 256MB 7800GT AGP for around $300 would be far more to cheer about. Then maybe ATI would give us a X1800XT 256MB AGP. :o 
March 23, 2006 1:40:15 PM

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WTF??? It says a 7800GS...


They're marketing it as a 7800GS because Nvidia doesn't offer a 7800GT in AGP flavor. But it has the PCI-E 7800GT core on the board with the bridge chip to convert PCI-E to AGP.

Damn thats a pretty sweet ass card though. Shows AGP isn't as dead as people think.
March 23, 2006 1:49:56 PM

Only shows AGP isn't dead if they actually produce them and sell them in any real quantity. Price will also be a major issue as if AGP upgrades cost $100 more than the PCI-e board, $100 mobo + pci-e = AGP. Sort of kills the value of not needing to upgrade. If they release a 7900 version at the same price point for AGP now, THEN we'll see AGP isn't dead. As of now I'd say it's at least comatose.
March 23, 2006 1:55:27 PM

Nice one Paul. I posted and realized you beat me to the punch. :) 

Yep, IMHO this is the first viable over $300 AGP card I've seen in a long time... a full 20-pipeline 7800 for the AGP crowd. very nice stuff.
March 23, 2006 1:59:14 PM

Isn't there already a Radeon X1800 XT AGP available ?

I swear I've seen some, from Sapphire and the usual ATI vendors most likely. Maybe even GeCube.
March 23, 2006 2:13:59 PM

Oh ok, stupid me... :tongue: I usually just skim articles....I do read things if I'm truly interested. Because the thing is, I'm the type that is not willing to spend $200+ on a video card
March 23, 2006 2:14:44 PM

ATI cancelled plans to make an x1800 AGP card and to my knowledge there has never been such a card available. Quick google search also reveals no such card.
March 23, 2006 3:33:10 PM

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ATI cancelled plans to make an x1800 AGP card and to my knowledge there has never been such a card available. Quick google search also reveals no such card.


WOW! Kudos for Gainward bringing over a beast for AGP users!!!

ATi made a choice to leave the high end AGP market. Maybe Saphire will get the "itch" to bridge a X1800 or X1900 card.....naaaaaah
March 23, 2006 3:47:22 PM

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Yep, IMHO this is the first viable over $300 AGP card I've seen in a long time... a full 20-pipeline 7800 for the AGP crowd. very nice stuff.


So you wouldn't pay $300 for a 7800GS, but you would pay $400 for a card that's 20% faster? How odd.

Admittedly it does have twice the video memory, but even current games will rarely benefit from that. Paying 33% more for 20% more performance seems like a bad deal to me.
March 23, 2006 3:59:56 PM

Nice card but to be honest, going for it means wasting money.
AGP is a dead end . Instead of paying 300+ on a card that will be useless on most boards, you'd better get a new mobo on PCI e/CPU. And if you can find a mobo with both AGP and PCI then good for you otherwise you'll have to save for another gfx.
March 23, 2006 11:43:55 PM

So you think that card won't do anyone with AGP any good ?
You may mean that it wouldn't do YOU any good. There is no good reason to build a new system now since nothing really new is coming until Sept or Oct. I have a 939 CPU sitting here in a box, no good reason to buy a new MB and PCI-E graphics card right now when AM2 won't work on it, and Conroe deserves a new motherboard when it's released.
By the way, that PCI-E/ AGP board is a piece of shit, how could you recommend that to anyone ?
Try Googling "How Do I Get a Clue ? "
March 23, 2006 11:54:35 PM

how is a G71 a 7800gt core???? thats a 7900 scaled down to 20 pipes if im not mistaken, unless of course the author has a typo cuz i see both g71 and g70 very close togehter
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2006 12:05:18 AM

DIE AGP DIE! :twisted:
March 24, 2006 12:18:38 AM

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DIE AGP DIE! :twisted:

It can as far as I'm concerned, I wont be making anymore AGP purchases(as far as I know).
March 24, 2006 1:16:09 AM

Yeah, the author says it has a G71 core then in the next sentence he says G70. In the photo the core reads 7800 GT.
If they release it I'll let you know, looks like a nice toy to crank on till Sept, then my 10 year old daughter gets this rig (she loves Quake 4).
March 24, 2006 1:31:05 AM

lol its hard to imagine a 10 year old girl playing quake 4
o btw in quake 4 during the air trenches level the black dude just stops talking and blocks my path so i get stuck in the mission. when i open the console it has all these warnings with the ogm files. i tried google but no one else has this problem. anyone have any hunches?
March 24, 2006 1:31:54 AM

Whoa, that's pretty sweet. I wonder when it comes out? 8O
March 24, 2006 7:11:50 AM

Isn't it already out?
March 24, 2006 7:26:14 AM

i thought gainward always has been the king of VGA in AGP w/ their golden sample series and expertool tuner.
too bad they've went down since 6800gt.
c'mon gainwad!! come back up and kill evga!!
oh.. never mind... evga has life time warranty...
March 24, 2006 8:56:29 AM

***The Gainward is king of the playground***
March 24, 2006 8:59:42 AM

They have a nice card for a niche market - hurray for those owners of Socket 754 mobos who wanted to replace their geforece FX 5200...
March 24, 2006 10:52:59 AM

She does play and she's good, she also plays UT2004, and can drive a car.
I had to back away from him, then he let me by, then I took a left with the soldier with me.
March 24, 2006 1:22:53 PM

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Isn't it already out?


Oh, it looks like it's out now, but only in England for some reason. They better bring it to the US pronto!
March 25, 2006 2:59:36 AM

Says it costs 400 euro... isn't that a $500 card? for that I can get a 7900gt, a new mobo, and still have 100 left over! This thing doesn't have a niche market, it has no market. And they make 754 mobos with PCI-e, so I can't imagine why anyone would pay that kind of premium for an agp card that's still slower than the $300 7900.
March 25, 2006 6:47:37 AM

Because if you have a nicely tweaked,well cooled, uber overclocked AGP based rig and don't want to start over again from scratch, then replacing the whole system would be much more expensive.

Moreover, in computer components, builders are usually not concerned by exchange rates: they just charge the same amount and fill their pockets with ca$h by inflating prices in euros - so it may just come out at 400$.

Next, it's strange that they'd charge it 400€ in UK, since UK uses £...
March 28, 2006 1:08:40 PM

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512MB 7800GT AGP? Here's the Inq link: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502

It's about time. With 20 pipes and those clock speeds, It should beat out the X850XTpe and 256MB 16-pipe 7800GS's. But what's the street price gonna be?


that`s 7800gs not gt my friends 8O
March 28, 2006 3:09:30 PM

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that`s 7800gs not gt my friends 8O


Check the article, Fanis. It's a 20-pipeline card. It's simply a rebranded 7800 GT.
March 28, 2006 4:13:17 PM

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Because if you have a nicely tweaked,well cooled, uber overclocked AGP based rig and don't want to start over again from scratch, then replacing the whole system would be much more expensive.

Moreover, in computer components, builders are usually not concerned by exchange rates: they just charge the same amount and fill their pockets with ca$h by inflating prices in euros - so it may just come out at 400$.

Next, it's strange that they'd charge it 400€ in UK, since UK uses £...


Thank you. My P4 3.2 (oc'd to 3.4) and 2Gb DDR400 run on an older Abit board (AS8) which I bought because at the time, the best AMD chipset was the Nforce 150, and it wouldn't allow my 400mhz ramm to run at that speed. So I went with the Intel solution and AGP because I already had a still viable Radeon 9700 and couldn't spring for a new vid card on top of all the other gear.

I was really stoked when I bought my AGP 6800GT, and I'm glad that AGP is still supported, although I don't think I'd buy a 7800 because that wouldn't be enough of a performance increase over the 6800 to justify $400.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2006 4:38:06 AM

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that`s 7800gs not gt my friends 8O


Check the article, Fanis. It's a 20-pipeline card. It's simply a rebranded 7800 GT.

Yup, and a higher clocked one at that. 7800GT's are clocked 400/1000 up to 450/1100 for a superclocked version. So 425/1200 and 20 pipes is pretty decent. I'd like to see it tested vs a 7800gt on our Uli systems.

Too bad it's not available in the USA and probably won't be. Not that I'd be buying a 400+ AGP card anyway. Got my EVGA OC 7800GT for $255.
March 29, 2006 4:41:08 AM

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Got my EVGA OC 7800GT for $255.

What?

You've got one of those cards?

.....you fucking asshole! :lol: 
March 29, 2006 5:47:39 AM

Talk about reading an article in THG, and seeing a bunch of jealous PCI mofo’s!! It’s great to see how gullible you computer nerds are. PCI this, PCI that. AGP is dead, AGP is only dead if you want 64bit... 64 bit for what... You guys bought into a new concept that is before its time. Yet still yet to be utilized to it’s full potential. Negative comments on AGP when it’s still alive and kicking!

This 7800AGP version is only going to spark ATI to bring out something. Then of course the price wars again will begin, as it has with PCI..

Who knows what will happen in the pc world when DX10 comes out. So if you (PCI) or an AGP person puts up $400 + on a video card that will only be DX10 compatible. Then so be it, let them be!!.

Just look at this as something great for people as myself that have no reason to put up they’re system on Ebay yet, and leave the NEGATIVE comments to yourself.

Same person ripping that AGP is dead is just the same person who had a old ass TI-4X00 when BF2 came out and was crying the blues. So now your scared to get caught behind everyone else.
March 29, 2006 6:07:47 AM

yes i`ve read the article my friend...and i`ve seen the picture also...but what confuses me it saids cleary:

Once we plugged the Gainward 7800 GS in our AGP testing rig we expected that the card had to be slower than the just reviewed EVGA's 7800 GS. You can check it here. Gainward's card is clocked at 425MHz core and 1200Mhz memory so it was natural to expect that this card will lose against EVGA 7800 GS 460/1350 MHz.

so no a word about the gt stuff.......the picture cleary shows that is actually a gt ..but could it be posible downgraded or samething ..could the gs be a gt downgraded...confusion...the point is that is cleary labeled as an gs...the name saids so.......
remember the x800gto....same of them where actualy x850 stuff.. and the chip cleary said that (ati marks them in numbers like r430 and so on not cleary x8xx)...but there was no doubt about it ....the final product was x800gto.........

maybe same tricks could unlock the card........... :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2006 11:07:04 AM

They were expecting a 16-pipe 7800GS with 512MB of RAM, but clocked lower than the evga super clock. So, I think what they were saying is they didn't expect the 512MB of memory to do much and the higher clocked evga would be faster. But as it turns out, it's a 20-pipe card, basically a bridged 7800GT with good clock speeds and 512MB of ram.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2006 11:13:58 AM

Believe me, knowbody would like to see AGP live on more than me. Problem is, my 6800U isn't cutting it for my gaming tastes and the best performing cards are only made in PCI-e. Even this gainward, which is not available in the USA, would $100 more than a pci-e 7900GT or X1800XT, making it possible to buy a mobo and one of those faster cards. AGP is dying because of ATI and NV not releasing their top gaming cards in AGP anymore, as well as the fact the best AGP cards available are so expensive and don't compete well with their = priced pci-e.

Look at the X850XT. It's $300+ in AGP and $155-$165 in PCI-e. The AGP is just as fast, but who twice the price.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2006 11:36:50 AM

Yeah, $255 for a EVGA CO (1 month ago) was too good to pass up. I have tested it some but am not really gaming on it yet, as i also bought a DFI NF4 ultra D and will migrate my best parts over to that machine and reinstall the OS. I got real busy build/tech calls wise so spending time on my own project became less appealing. And then Stinking-fun Oblivion now has me gaming any chance I get, so the upgrade is on hold again.
March 29, 2006 12:05:48 PM

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By the way, that PCI-E/ AGP board is a piece of ****, how could you recommend that to anyone ?
There's one ASROCK board that is ok (I think one of the regulars around here has one, rugger maybe?) It uses the ULi1685 (IIRC) chipset, which does actuallly natively support both AGP and PCI-E.

All the others hook the 'AGP' port into the PCI bus, and perform badly, and I've heard some can even damage cards 8O .

So anyway, "that PCI-E/AGP board" should say "Almost all of those PCI-E/AGP boards, except the one that does it properly"
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2006 12:25:48 PM

Cleeve and I both have the Asrock Dual Sata II AGP/PCI-e, others have mentioned it too. It's not an OC'ers dream mobo by any means, but it's still the very best of what it does. I have no complaints although Cleeve would have alot more time in actually using his so he could comment more. I have not heard any complaints from him so far either.
March 29, 2006 9:37:28 PM

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Cleeve and I both have the Asrock Dual Sata II AGP/PCI-e, others have mentioned it too.

It is the motherboard I plan on purchasing as well.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2006 11:53:56 PM

And it's the MoBo I had my best friend (since grade 1) in Toronto buy.

He's lovin' it with his HIS R9800Pro. But he can'twait to get PCIe now that Oblivion's out and he's finding it a little slowish.
March 30, 2006 1:45:20 AM

WHERE TO BUY ONE OF THESE 7800 GT AGPs ?
I can't find it on NewEgg of CompUsa yet.

Any ideas? I will also search the Gainwards web-site.
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2006 2:48:28 AM

That will be a nice place to put your 7800GS. SHoot for the price, I'm thrilled with mine. I use it to test cards and hopefully will get the time to do some benchmark comparisons.
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2006 2:53:39 AM

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WHERE TO BUY ONE OF THESE 7800 GT AGPs ?
I can't find it on NewEgg of CompUsa yet.

Any ideas? I will also search the Gainwards web-site.

Planning any trips to the UK soon? That's the only place I've seen it online. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/7800AGP_Series.h...
But it says preorder now(I sure thought it was in stock before, maybe not).

If you searched online you will notice Gainward USA is a dead link. :( 
http://www.gainwardusa.com/
March 30, 2006 12:01:29 PM

Understood.
March 31, 2006 10:04:12 PM

I was hoping to get a 20 pipe AGP card before getting new everything.
Just don't need a 20 pipe card badly enough to fly all the way to the UK from Caifornia.
To bad the US does not get lots of cool stuff (like fancy cell phones)
At least some eletronics are cheaper in the US, than in Shanghai for example.
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 10:35:37 PM

Well it's so expensive anyway, a plane ticket is no biggy. :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 10:43:06 PM

Gainward N.Am. went belly up aabout 6-9 months ago. I remember mentioning it (and mournign it like the loss of Hercules). They are now only available in the UK and ASIA until the various outstanding financial issues in N.Am. are resolved.

Great cards, but I guess the marketplace is too competitive in N.Am for niche/boutique companies.
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