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March 23, 2006 4:19:43 PM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30503

it just never ends does it :) 
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March 23, 2006 4:41:13 PM

I wonder how fast my computer would be on win 3.1...
March 23, 2006 5:04:31 PM

Good point.
The Amiga was able to render raytracing 3D like in the late 80's, back then it only had a 68000, 8 megs RAM, and no hard-drive at first. I wonder what a machine like that can do now.

I wish Windows (and OSX, Linux) had some lean mode that can do some simple tasks quickly without all the bloat and overhead.
Visual Basic.NET is still too slow for even Atari 2600 type games without using DX libraries.
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March 23, 2006 5:04:56 PM

Yeah...read that article too...just gave me another reason to dislike MS, as a consumer I feel like I'm being extorted...I could handle it if 2-4GB was needed because of the shear number of apps running on a machine (i.e.; gaming, AV editing, file server, etc) but to need 800MB-1GB just to run the OS, let alone to need 2GB to get acceptable performance..almost sounds like bloatware...also wondering about the marginal costs involved with purchasing the memory as well as the opportunity cost just to run Vista...oh well...
March 23, 2006 5:05:00 PM

thanks for the heads up.

you know its funny that Microsoft is so horrible about their releases.

Vista aka Longhorn has been in the works for god know how long. at this point it's rediculous that after about 2 + years they still havent been able to get it right. that and they had to steel again from apple, but im not going to get into that.

im probably going to stick with XP Pro for a while. hell i didn't switch from Win 98 until a year and a half after XP's SP2. lol

i truly think that this OS is going to be way over rated. but who that hell knows it could be the best thing since sliced bread. :lol:  RIGHT
March 23, 2006 5:20:09 PM

Personaly i think that Vista is going to be ME's evil twin brother.
March 23, 2006 5:26:52 PM

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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30503

it just never ends does it :) 
today 2 tommorrow 4


Knew that since I first loaded up Vista. 1.66GHz Merom dual core, 2GB DDR2533 (667 wasn't available), 160GB SATA HD, Integrated graphics. 700MB running Vista February CTP 64-bit with nothing running. 850MB when I opened IE and had the task manager open.

If I build a new system in the next two months (which I hope to), I plan to get 2GB. Then I'll get another 2GB before I upgrade to Vista (if I do at first). Hope the motherboard and CPU makers solve the issues with running 4GB or more of RAM in 4x1GB configuration. I want to be able to overclock but have 4 sticks of memory.
March 23, 2006 5:42:07 PM

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Personaly i think that Vista is going to be ME's evil twin brother.


OMG!!!! Please tell me you're kidding!!! 8O 8O
March 23, 2006 6:23:31 PM

By mid '07, the $300 dell will come with 1GB, and an average machine will have 2. I'm perfectly happy with 1 and XP Pro.
March 23, 2006 6:30:51 PM

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i truly think that this OS is going to be way over rated. but who that hell knows it could be the best thing since sliced bread. :lol:  RIGHT


Not without another 2 years of development.

Personally I'm not too happy about Vista. They have a perfectly stable OS with relatively low system requirements. Do they just maintain it and improve upon it? No. They make an OS with 3x the system requirements just to run. Not only that but they say that all new upcoming technologies will only be supported on this new OS (DX10). So it forces you to upgrade.

Now I don't mind progress, but I don't feel the average consumer should NEED a dual core system with 1GB of RAM, and midrange video card, and a fast hard drive just to check their email and write word documents. My parents are staying on XP Pro thats for sure. My dad can't even use that yet much less throw a new more confusing OS at him.

And yeah Vista trys to severly rip off OSX which I hate because I don't like the interface on OSX.
March 23, 2006 6:42:02 PM

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Personaly i think that Vista is going to be ME's evil twin brother.


It's starting to look that way. I also heard from a few in college getting their engineering degree that Vista will require a new key if too many hardware changes are made. Since I update often, I'll have to skip it, if what I'm told is true.
March 23, 2006 6:51:01 PM

yea but also look at it this way

those upgrade will most likly force prices down to a some what reasonable level. :) 

im waiting till the new AM2 and NV stuff to come out befor i make my move.
MMMMMMM quad SLI...ill be right back

alright so yea i compleatly agree. you should wath the CES gate key note if your familir with apple then you'll notice some things that have been stolen.

KHW

If that is true i swear i will go f***ing postal on Microsoft. not like i havent already :twisted:

i dont think from a leagal stand point they can do that though but you never know im just waiting for the day they start charging for updates. that will burn there last bridge and apple will rule the world :twisted: :twisted: :lol:  :lol: 

StrangeStranger

yea they kinda do the one thing about it is if you change your mobo for example you have to do a repair install you can still use you old CD key though.
March 23, 2006 7:05:55 PM

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someone correct me if im wrong but dont you already do the same thing with oem versions of xp


Yeah, when I update the firmware on my DVD burner, XP made me reregister. Had to call it in too.
March 24, 2006 11:09:04 AM

doh

60% Of Windows Vista Code To Be Rewritten
Up to 60% of the code in the new consumer version of Microsoft new Vista operating system is set to be rewritten as the Company "scrambles" to fix internal problems a Microsoft insider has confirmed to SHN.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Computing/Platforms?Articl...
March 24, 2006 11:26:27 AM

To be fair, current Vista releases are Betas, so it's hardly surprising they're memory hogs.

Personally I expect to have at least 4GB of RAM in my next PC anyway: it's not as though it's hugely expensive these days and will only get cheaper.
March 24, 2006 11:31:28 AM

I wonder If Microsoft will hold a big conference, demo the finished product (if it ever gets finished), and then have it crash the computer like Windows 98 did...
March 24, 2006 2:16:33 PM

I'd rather the OS force all the worlds PCs running Vista to have at least 1-2 GB of RAM, and actually dedicate 512 MB to disk caching, etc (Dynamic sizing disk cache, as now, but the minimum cache size should be raised, and some sort of pagefile buffer setup with small delay on writes possible and write combining - It does this already btw, just want more advanced smarter methods) that Microsoft saying "Yeah, It will run with 256 MB".

Using flashmedia as pagefile storage will hurt me, my 8 GB LaCie Carte flash only does 9 MB/sec (peak), and average seek on flash media is still above 25ms (no joke, was expecting 1ms when I got it). My RAID can do 160 MB/sec and seeks in 10ms (average).

http://users.on.net/~darkpeace/forum_images/RAID-0_4x30...

You don't want to see the graph for the 8 GB flash media :p  - Compared to actual system memory, flash is pathetic, even RAID flash under Linux isn't 'that great'. The irony is mechanical devices can still outperform cost effective re-writable NV memory.

I mean look at the minimum requirements for Windows XP, we all know it needs 1 GB at least to really shine. If Microsoft force the minimum spec up just to make Vista 'shine' w/o users needing to upgrade their OEM PCs, it means the vast majority of the worlds PCs will "Just Work (tm)".

Vista as an OS is able to dedicate more resources to games from what I hear anyway... still not a fan of .NET, Java, and other bloatware frameworks, but at least this is one step forward in a journey that may never end.
March 24, 2006 2:23:12 PM

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If I build a new system in the next two months (which I hope to), I plan to get 2GB. Then I'll get another 2GB before I upgrade to Vista (if I do at first). Hope the motherboard and CPU makers solve the issues with running 4GB or more of RAM in 4x1GB configuration. I want to be able to overclock but have 4 sticks of memory.


It isn't a motherboard issue at all, someone on these forumz is spreading FUD.

Devices need to use parts of the 32-bit address range to work, and thus those ranges can't be mapped to physical memory:

- Got Hex ?

See: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&... ; for more info. Working on a FAQ for it as more and more people are asking about it / not aware of it.
March 24, 2006 3:18:09 PM

Think about it - if Bill Gates had a nickel for every Windows PC that crashed....Oh, yeah, he already does.
March 24, 2006 5:32:11 PM

Anyone tried that vista skin on win xp?
I just saw it in my friends room and it looks just like vista and runs a lot better.
I hope they incorporate direct X 10 into it... :lol: 
March 24, 2006 6:17:00 PM

You have to call MS to reactivate it but not buy a new key.
March 24, 2006 7:32:38 PM

I hope when I buy my new rig something like AM2 cpu,Nforce 5 chipset,nvidia 8 series vga :roll: ,2 x 1GB ram, sata 2 hdd it'll be able to do more than just run solitaire and minesweeper!!!
March 24, 2006 7:41:30 PM

I hear the new 3D Minesweeper in Vista requires a gigabyte of video RAM and eight gigabytes of system RAM :) .
March 24, 2006 8:14:22 PM

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I hear the new 3D Minesweeper in Vista requires a gigabyte of video RAM and eight gigabytes of system RAM Smile.


3D MINESWEEPER? It will be worth upgrading!!! :D 
March 26, 2006 3:31:48 PM

Meh. The only reason I see right now to upgrade to Vista will be for Halo 2. And I think that it will just be too cluttered anyway. The ability to twist and turn your windows in 3D is kind of cool, but it's really not that important. I see Vista as being not worth it.
March 26, 2006 4:06:11 PM

F**K Microsoft :evil: 
March 26, 2006 4:06:55 PM

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Personaly i think that Vista is going to be ME's evil twin brother.


So Vista will be stable and will run good, because ME was HORRIBLE! and if Vista is evil twin (whitch usaly means the oppisote on the inside) then Vista will rock? :?
March 26, 2006 4:36:09 PM

I agree with FIT. As of yet, I have not seen a clear explanation as to why I MUST upgrade to Vista. I understand why they are updating IE from 6 to 7. That makes sense.
The Win98 to XP (after XP was given updates) change was a good move. 98 was not nearly as stable for home users as XP is. In my opinion XPpro is very stable. MS will have to show me some sort of phenomenal abilities with Vista, things I can not even think of now.

Let's not forget that in Feb(?) 2007 every new Dell sold to soccer moms will be Vista, so being the fist one to have it won't be as special as the only kid with phase change cooling.

Software and hardware for years to come will be compatible with XPpro.

now if Vista meant 15-20% faster FPS, maybe....
March 26, 2006 4:43:38 PM

I just want to add my 2 cents to the discussion, mainly the RAM requirements. I have 2x1GB now and I can monitor RAM utilization from my keyboard, when I play battlefield 2 I hit nealry 80% utilization, incluing the OS, AIM, and Firefox, etc. So it is really not surprising to see that we are encouraged to have 4GB for gaming. I have had 2GB for3 years now, and I keep noticing how much more demanding the games are becoming on the system as a whole.

I for one, am looking forward to Vista. I want to see how MS supposidely integrated alot of stuff, all the metadata, document prefiews w/o opening the actual file, one-touch game updates, and other nifty things. There are also a few hardware devices that are supposed to alunch with Vista, the main one that comes to mind is Hybrid-Harddrives based on flash and magnetic disk storage. DX10 sounds promising, and with the arrival of Halo 2.... I'm screwed, I must upgrade... good thing I can get it for $5 at my university!!!!!
March 26, 2006 4:58:25 PM

Vista will be a nice step forward for sure.
March 26, 2006 4:59:50 PM

and todays hardware will work with it, plus, XP will still play as always too, no one is forcing your hand especially in the first year or two of its release.
March 26, 2006 5:01:25 PM

I will be keeping my parents on their typewriter. It is rock solid stable and has low system requirements.

Vista will be the first OS Microsoft actually did right. They had it almost completed then trashed it because it sucked, and completly rebuilt it.
March 26, 2006 5:04:31 PM

I thought that was a rumor, not fact.
March 26, 2006 5:30:44 PM

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and todays hardware will work with it, plus, XP will still play as always too, no one is forcing your hand especially in the first year or two of its release.


its true no one is forcing me into it... but I'm an addict of the Halo series lol, must have Halo 2 for PC! :tongue:
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