13" x 16" printers

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I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
following are in my range and seem attractive:

HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)

Is there any standout recommendation here?
Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
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    Sorry - I meant 13 x 19!
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    So the i9900 stands out as superior to HP and Epson printers in the
    same price range?
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    > RaggedMagnet <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)

    I have cp1700. Some features to compare/consider:

    * There is a duplex option (cp1700d or add-on C8219A).
    It works on all supported paper sizes.

    * There's also a "ps" model (PostScript), but it's
    host-RIP, which in my opinion is not PostScript.

    * It supports an extra paper tray.

    * LPT & USB ports are standard. Several optional LAN
    adaptors exist for the one LIO slot.

    * Separate prinheads & individual C,M,Y,K ink ctgs.
    Same ink as some DesignJets. On run-out, you can
    replace ink mid-page.

    Downside:

    On both Win98Se and Win2Ksp4, fonts sometimes get
    "forgotten" during long print jobs from Acrobat,
    resulting in all pages after the event being printed
    in Wingdings font. I never see this when printing the
    same jobs to a LaserJet, in PCL or Ps mode.

    Whether this is an Adobe, hp or MS problem, I couldn't
    say. Driver & firmware updates have been applied, to
    no effect.

    Otherwise, I'm generally happy with the printer,
    but I don't use it for photos, since the ink isn't archival.

    Oh yeah, 13x19 "Super-B" paper is for some reason really
    hard to find. hp makes a nice proofing matte in that size
    (SKU Q1967A), but I found it very difficult to buy.

    --
    Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld
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    NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
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    I'm getting superb results with a Canon i9900 ... have printed over 80
    12x16, 8.5x11 and 5x7 photos (those are all ~3:4 aspect ratio that my
    Canon S400 uses, so very little if any cropping is necessary) - the
    i9900 prints are indistinguishable from lab prints. I'm sure the
    Epson's you list are also superb, but from reading posts/reviews they
    seem to be more prone to head clogging so that's whey I went with the
    i9900.

    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105390088.873265.213440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality
    > here?)
    >
  5. Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

    Canon i9900


    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105390088.873265.213440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
  6. Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105390088.873265.213440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    You meant Photo 2200...
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    Photo 2200
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    1440 or more.
    Jim
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    I can't speak for the HPs but I have both the Epson 1520 and the 2200. If
    you are after true photo quality the 2200 is far superior to the 1520.

    DPI does count. Even at 1440x720 the ink dots are quite visible with the
    naked eye on 1520 but invisible on the 2200 at 1440 and almost impossible to
    see without a loupe at 2880.

    Tonal transitions are much soother on the 2200 since it uses 7 ink tanks all
    of which are individually replaceable where the 1520 uses a single combined
    CMY cartridge and a black cartridge.

    Both are extremely slow, especially at high resolution. I just printed some
    13x19s on the 2200 at 1440 and they each took around a half an hour to
    print, but I'm after quality, not speed.

    Colors are more photographically accurate on the 2200 whereas prints from
    the 1520 tend to be oversaturated with gaudy colors.

    Hope this helps.

    Craig

    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105390088.873265.213440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
  8. Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

    Canon i9900 is the best of the best for around $400

    RaggedMagnet wrote:

    >I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    >following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    >HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    >HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    >Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    >Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    >Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    >Is there any standout recommendation here?
    >Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
    >
    >
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    I'll put in a vote for the Epson 2200. I've never had a problem with mine,
    and the print quality is superb. You can replace ink in the middle of a
    print, and there are separate cartridges for each color.

    I can't say anything about the others because I have no experience with
    them.

    Phillip

    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105390088.873265.213440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
  10. Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

    Let's just say that for $499 (retail) I think that after you read some
    comparison reviews you'll find that Epson's answer is their model 4000 at
    ~$1,795. I'm certainly biased since I just purchased the i9900 after doing
    a fair bit of research myself.

    I've owned several of the earlier Epson photo printers in the past (still
    have one) and I have two HP (non-photo) printer products in my office right
    now - all good at what they were designed to do but after seeing the prints
    from the i9900 and comparing them against several other brands - I went with
    Canon this time. If you look at the true cost of ownership of the printer,
    the HP will cost you the most, then the Epson and then Canon. Print quality
    wise, I think the Canon has it over any comparable cost Epson print that I
    saw but I certainly have not seen prints from their whole line. Epson makes
    fine printers and so does HP - so go to the stores, do some actual print
    comparisons if you can, weigh the pro's and con's from what you read here on
    the ng - and then make a decision.

    Bob S.


    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105392308.103543.27120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > So the i9900 stands out as superior to HP and Epson printers in the
    > same price range?
    >
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    One final question:

    I noticed that the Canon i9900 has 80k for "Buffer/RAM" while other
    printers in the same price range such as the HP DeskJet 9600 have
    "Memory" of 16 MB. How will this affect print jobs? I will sometimes be
    printing complex vector-based images and am worried that the print job
    will crash.

    Should I be concerned about this for the Canon i9900?
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    I can comment a bit on the Epson models.

    The 1280 is probably going to be replaced soon, but it has been a
    popular model. Many people outfit them with continuous ink systems to
    save money on ink. They will work with pigment ink, although they were
    designed for dye. Epson doesn't make a pigment inkset for them, so it
    means either refilling or third party product.

    The 1280 has been know to suffer from a premature head failure. This
    was a greater problem with the 1270 and it's younger brother the 870 models.

    The 1520 is a quite old model, although still sold. It is four color,
    but the dot size is large enough that if you have very critical work
    that people will scrutinize at very close range, it may appear too
    grainy for their liking (or your). The cartridges, for a printer of
    that size, are too small, and so if you don't refill it will become
    costly. Again it is a dye colorant ink printer, but pigments could be
    installed. I don't know of many people who did so however.

    The 2200 is about one generation old now. It uses the Ultrachrome inks
    which are pigment colorant. It uses seven colors (CcMmYKk) and has two
    types of black ink that can be interchanged. One is designed for glossy
    prints, the other black. Changing cartridges back and forth use up a
    medium amount of ink. Most people are very pleased with the 2200. Some
    put a continuous inking system on it, or use 3rd party inks.

    Currently, the newest model is the 4000, which also uses Ultrachrome
    inks. It is costly, and come in two versions. It has two head sets,
    and can either be used with two repeating sets to make it very fast. or
    can have red and blue and an extra black added. The printer is still
    developing its market, due to the cost.

    There is a new printer on the horizon. I understand it is already
    available in Japan. It is using the same technology in the R800, an
    system using red and blue inks, and a gloss optimizer to make the
    pigment inks look glossier and more even relative to the blank paper
    areas. Not yet available in North America, etc. The R800 (letter size)
    had received very high praise from reviewers, but it has a high initial
    cost and cost of upkeep is high (ink costs).

    Art


    RaggedMagnet wrote:

    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
  13. Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

    I missed your last question:

    Dot size, or dot technology is more important than addressable dot
    location, at this point. Back when printers were 200 and 300 dpi it was
    a concern. Today all inkjet printers can place a dot in a well
    described location, BUT, if the dot was to be 1" in diameter, it would
    sure look bad. Some printers are now down to 2 or even 1 pico litre
    (not visible by most eyes, unassisted), or use variable dot technologies
    which mean the printer can determine how large the dot is depending upon
    how many dots it will be laying down and how dense the area needs to be.

    For some speed is also important, so you may want to make comparison of
    that as well.

    Epson printers using pigment inks have waterproof and pretty
    non-fugitive ink (fade-resistant) however, the papers they can use
    differ from dye inks, and some prefer one over the other. For
    non-coated papers, pigment inks do better than dyes, over all.

    Art

    RaggedMagnet wrote:

    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
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    Just one slight correction.

    Your description actually tends to indicate that dpi doesn't count.
    Both the 1520 and 2200 can print at 1440 dpi, and yet, as you state, the
    2200's dots are invisible, while the 1520 are obvious. This is not due
    to dpi, but due to dot size, and that is a valid concern.

    The 1520 was not sold as a photo printer, but a plotter, and the drivers
    were not nearly as sophisticated as those in the 2200. Four color
    printers can be made to produce fairly accurate colors and good tonal
    gradients, but require smaller dots and better drivers to do so.

    Otherwise, I think you appraisal is quite accurate of the two printers.

    Art


    Craig McWalter wrote:

    > I can't speak for the HPs but I have both the Epson 1520 and the 2200. If
    > you are after true photo quality the 2200 is far superior to the 1520.
    >
    > DPI does count. Even at 1440x720 the ink dots are quite visible with the
    > naked eye on 1520 but invisible on the 2200 at 1440 and almost impossible to
    > see without a loupe at 2880.
    >
    > Tonal transitions are much soother on the 2200 since it uses 7 ink tanks all
    > of which are individually replaceable where the 1520 uses a single combined
    > CMY cartridge and a black cartridge.
    >
    > Both are extremely slow, especially at high resolution. I just printed some
    > 13x19s on the 2200 at 1440 and they each took around a half an hour to
    > print, but I'm after quality, not speed.
    >
    > Colors are more photographically accurate on the 2200 whereas prints from
    > the 1520 tend to be oversaturated with gaudy colors.
    >
    > Hope this helps.
    >
    > Craig
    >
    > "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:1105390088.873265.213440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    >
    >>I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    >>following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >>
    >>HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    >>HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    >>Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    >>Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    >>Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >>
    >>Is there any standout recommendation here?
    >>Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >>
    >
    >
    >
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    No, complex or large jobs won't matter. As long as it gets spooled up
    properly, the driver just spits little chunks of the image at the printer
    until the job is done. The advantage of printers with onboard memory is that
    a large piece (or all) of the image gets downloaded to the printer
    immediately which frees up the computer.

    I came across this review of the i9900, sounds like a beauty:
    http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22375.html

    Craig

    "RaggedMagnet" <raggedmagnet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1105481679.595071.13880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > One final question:
    >
    > I noticed that the Canon i9900 has 80k for "Buffer/RAM" while other
    > printers in the same price range such as the HP DeskJet 9600 have
    > "Memory" of 16 MB. How will this affect print jobs? I will sometimes be
    > printing complex vector-based images and am worried that the print job
    > will crash.
    >
    > Should I be concerned about this for the Canon i9900?
    >
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    anyone4tennis@hotmail.com wrote:

    > I've been looking at options for 13" x 16" inkjet printers, and the
    > following are in my range and seem attractive:
    >
    > HP DeskJet 9600 Series ($399.00, up to 4800 x 1200 dpi)
    > HP Color Inkjet cp1700 Series ($499.00, up to 2400 x 1200 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 1280 ($399.00, up to 2880 x 720 dpi?)
    > Epson Stylus Color 1520 ($499.00, 1440 x 720 dpi)
    > Epson Stylus Photo 220 ($699.00, 2880 x 1440 dpi)
    >
    > Is there any standout recommendation here?
    > Also - does dpi really mean anything when comparing image quality here?)
    >
    Canon Pixus 6500i (4800x1200dpi) 37,800 yen or cheaper
    Canon Pixus 6100i (2400x1200dpi) 29,800 yen or cheaper

    I've been using the 6100 for a year now and can say it'll serve you better
    than the Epson - they sell cheap printers and gouge you with ink prices.
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