Old Pro Pedals on new computer?

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Is there any way to make the old Pro Pedals that connected to the game
port work on today's computers which do not have game ports? Serial
port and configuration? Any one try it?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:08:32 -0400, Roger
    <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net> wrote:

    Hi Roger,

    >Is there any way to make the old Pro Pedals that connected to the game
    >port work on today's computers which do not have game ports? Serial
    >port and configuration? Any one try it?

    You can try plugging the "Aux.Port" connector into the "Joystick"
    connector. That makes the whole setup look like a 3-axis/0-button
    joystick. Toe brakes are X and Y, rudder is Z. Then you can plug that
    into one of those Gameport->USB adapters (Radio Shack or Rockfire) and
    if you're lucky you're set to go. It depends mostly on whether your PC
    works with the converter or not. Sometimes they do, sometimes they
    don't. You still can't really calibrate them because you have no
    button. You could wire one to the Gameport->USB adapter if you wanted
    to, though. They look like a gameport on the input side.

    - Bob

    The StickWorks
    http://www.stickworks.com
  2. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:27:00 GMT, sticky_NO_@_SPAM_stickworks.com (Bob
    Church) wrote:

    Oops,

    > That makes the whole setup look like a 3-axis/0-button joystick..

    It actually works as a 2-Axis w/rudder pedals, it's toe brakes on X
    and Y, Rudder on R. Sorry about that.

    - Bob

    The StickWorks
    http://www.stickworks.com
  3. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    sticky_NO_@_SPAM_stickworks.com (Bob Church) wrote:

    > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:08:32 -0400, Roger
    > <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net> wrote:
    >
    > Hi Roger,
    >
    >>Is there any way to make the old Pro Pedals that connected to the
    >>game port work on today's computers which do not have game ports?
    >>Serial port and configuration? Any one try it?
    >
    > You can try plugging the "Aux.Port" connector into the "Joystick"
    > connector. That makes the whole setup look like a 3-axis/0-button
    > joystick. Toe brakes are X and Y, rudder is Z. Then you can plug
    > that into one of those Gameport->USB adapters (Radio Shack or
    > Rockfire) and if you're lucky you're set to go. It depends mostly
    > on whether your PC works with the converter or not. Sometimes they
    > do, sometimes they don't. You still can't really calibrate them
    > because you have no button. You could wire one to the
    > Gameport->USB adapter if you wanted to, though. They look like a
    > gameport on the input side.

    You may not need a button to calibrate, at least on a standard
    gameport. Don't know about using a USB adapter, though. My homebrew
    pedals don't have a button, so when the calibration routine calls for a
    button press I just hit the Enter key or click the Next button. This
    works fine, at least on my system. YMMV.

    --
    Ray Heindl
    (remove the Xs to reply)
  4. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:34:05 GMT, Ray Heindl
    <vortren-newsx@yaxhoo.com> wrote:

    >sticky_NO_@_SPAM_stickworks.com (Bob Church) wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:08:32 -0400, Roger
    >> <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net> wrote:
    >>
    >> Hi Roger,
    >>
    >>>Is there any way to make the old Pro Pedals that connected to the
    >>>game port work on today's computers which do not have game ports?
    >>>Serial port and configuration? Any one try it?
    >>
    >> You can try plugging the "Aux.Port" connector into the "Joystick"
    >> connector. That makes the whole setup look like a 3-axis/0-button
    >> joystick. Toe brakes are X and Y, rudder is Z. Then you can plug
    >> that into one of those Gameport->USB adapters (Radio Shack or
    >> Rockfire) and if you're lucky you're set to go. It depends mostly
    >> on whether your PC works with the converter or not. Sometimes they
    >> do, sometimes they don't. You still can't really calibrate them
    >> because you have no button. You could wire one to the

    You can still calibrate them using the button on the joystick. It only
    needs an input signal, or acknowledgement and that can even be a key
    stroke.

    >> Gameport->USB adapter if you wanted to, though. They look like a
    >> gameport on the input side.

    However... Although they are supposed to be hot swapable and
    adjustable that may not be the case.

    I'm not positive of what caused what, but this is the sequence.
    When I first tried the adapter, the pedals were active right off the
    bat. Of course the computer thought they were the throttle, but that
    is just a configuration issue. I thought I'd try using them as
    joystick two and configure the two separately, but I really should
    have left them with joystick one. At any rate, switching to joystick
    to, did nothing, or rather they did nothing as joystick two. So I
    switched back to joystick one and they still did nothing.

    I had some other work to do so just put the problem aside the day. I
    picked up a 300 gig USB/firewire back up drive and decided it was time
    to do a full back up of the system drive.

    When I went to install the USB drive the software installation would
    hang just shy of finishing and it couldn't find the drive . It
    installed just fine on the system next to this one. I was now seeing
    a warning that my UPS was not connected THAT started me to thinking.

    The next step was to fire up the flat bed scanner. "Not found"!. So I
    tried the film scanner. "Please hook up scanner and try again".
    Joystick? No Joy (sorry, couldn't help myself).

    Not one USB device was working.
    So, I installed a four port USB, PCI card and a three port firewire.
    They came up immediately and the UPS was now connected.

    Basically the entire USB buss and controller is shot but I can still
    get by using the PCI slots, but I'd guess the mother board will get
    replaced.

    This is my 64 bit system with one gig of RAM too.

    So be careful when trying these things out.

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
    >
    >You may not need a button to calibrate, at least on a standard
    >gameport. Don't know about using a USB adapter, though. My homebrew
    >pedals don't have a button, so when the calibration routine calls for a
    >button press I just hit the Enter key or click the Next button. This
    >works fine, at least on my system. YMMV.
  5. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:38:15 -0400, Roger
    <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net> wrote:

    Hi Roger,

    >You can still calibrate them using the button on the joystick. It only
    >needs an input signal, or acknowledgement and that can even be a key
    >stroke.

    If you've got a joystick/yoke behind them, that's true. If not, then
    the ENTER key will advance the prompts but it doesn't cause Windows to
    register the values. There is some evidence that with DX8 or DX9, the
    did start picking up values based simply on the movement, not on the
    click, though. In any case, the calibration is essentially useless
    since they never try to pick up the center on the pedals and that's
    what really matters.

    Without center calibration, it just assumes that halfway between min
    and max is the middle (optimists). You might force it by watching the
    raw data display, figuring out which side was "short" and then not
    going all the way in the other direction, e.g. if you got raw data of
    left = 10, middle = 100, and right = 210, only take the right out to
    190. Then you've got 10-100 left and 100-190 right. Windows will
    divide the 10-190 difference, come up with a midpoint of 100 and it
    will line up. The original CTFJ utility did that by just trimming the
    registry values after calibration so they were symmetrical around the
    center value, but I'm not sure it will play correctly with the XP
    registry calibration values.

    >However... Although they are supposed to be hot swapable and
    >adjustable that may not be the case.

    >I'm not positive of what caused what, but this is the sequence.
    >When I first tried the adapter, the pedals were active right off the
    >bat. Of course the computer thought they were the throttle, but that
    >is just a configuration issue. I thought I'd try using them as
    >joystick two and configure the two separately, but I really should
    >have left them with joystick one. At any rate, switching to joystick
    >to, did nothing, or rather they did nothing as joystick two. So I
    >switched back to joystick one and they still did nothing.
    >
    >I had some other work to do so just put the problem aside the day. I
    >picked up a 300 gig USB/firewire back up drive and decided it was time
    >to do a full back up of the system drive.
    >
    >When I went to install the USB drive the software installation would
    >hang just shy of finishing and it couldn't find the drive . It
    >installed just fine on the system next to this one. I was now seeing
    >a warning that my UPS was not connected THAT started me to thinking.
    >
    >The next step was to fire up the flat bed scanner. "Not found"!. So I
    >tried the film scanner. "Please hook up scanner and try again".
    >Joystick? No Joy (sorry, couldn't help myself).
    >
    >Not one USB device was working.
    >So, I installed a four port USB, PCI card and a three port firewire.
    >They came up immediately and the UPS was now connected.
    >
    >Basically the entire USB buss and controller is shot but I can still
    >get by using the PCI slots, but I'd guess the mother board will get
    >replaced.
    >
    >This is my 64 bit system with one gig of RAM too.
    >
    >So be careful when trying these things out.

    There was a problem with the XP SP2 update wiping out the Host
    Controllers that hit a lot of people. The exact cause wasn't clear,
    but things that were working tended to continue working, things that
    weren't installed wouldn't get picked up correctly when they were. You
    might drop by the CH Hangar:

    http://www.ch-hangar.com

    Find the forums and look in the "Software" forum. At the top there's a
    "sticky" thread titled:

    Success!! CM "No Devices Found" Solved!!

    which talks about how to knock down the USB stack and reinstall it. It
    may or may not help, but if you're going to have to replace things
    it's worth a shot.

    Best regards,

    - Bob

    The StickWorks
    http://www.stickworks.com

    The StickWorks
    http://www.stickworks.com
  6. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    >
    > There was a problem with the XP SP2 update wiping out the Host
    > Controllers that hit a lot of people. The exact cause wasn't clear,
    > but things that were working tended to continue working, things that
    > weren't installed wouldn't get picked up correctly when they were. You
    > might drop by the CH Hangar:
    >


    This was exactly the problem I had with my 2.8 machine and SP2.
    Updating the bios fixed it.

    Bryan
  7. Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

    On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 07:28:40 -0700, "Bryan" <nospam@here.com> wrote:

    >>
    >> There was a problem with the XP SP2 update wiping out the Host
    >> Controllers that hit a lot of people. The exact cause wasn't clear,
    >> but things that were working tended to continue working, things that
    >> weren't installed wouldn't get picked up correctly when they were. You
    >> might drop by the CH Hangar:
    >>
    >
    >
    >This was exactly the problem I had with my 2.8 machine and SP2.
    >Updating the bios fixed it.

    BIOS is the latest version and the pedals did work at first.
    MSI uses an update that downloads the latest drivers as soon as they
    are available with a "live update". They even create a BIOS backup so
    you can restore to it if the "update" goes sour.

    PCI cards for USB and Firewire both work. The only ports that don't
    are on the motherboard.

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
    >
    >Bryan
    >
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