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Mike,
This story reminds me of a crash that we had in Boise, Idaho about 3
years ago. A Grumman amphibian on a long cross country flight had stopped at
the airport to refuel. Seconds after takeoff the airplane lost all hydraulic
pressure. The pilot tried to do a 180-degree turn to get back to the field,
but lost control, stalled and crashed directly into the roof of a house in a
crowded residential neighborhood. Their were two people aboard the aircraft,
and one person in the house at the time of the crash. Incredibly, no one was
killed. And although the airplane was full of fuel, it did not catch fire.
It truly was a miracle.

Randy L.

"mike wheelock" <wheels2@twmi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cplane14jun14,0,6566545.story
>
> Just hit the news tonight, story about this plane going down and the
> survivors
 
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"mike wheelock"
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cplane14jun14,0,6566545.story

Good pilot?

"tower controllers saw smoke coming from the left engine"

"took off from Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport at 3:50 p.m., groaning with
3,200 pounds of granite"

I haven't done the weight and balance calculations for the above situation,
but I know the DC-3 can fly on one engine all day. Did he overload the
aircraft?


Dallas
 
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> "mike wheelock"
>>
> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cplane14jun14,0,6566545.story
>
> Good pilot?
>
> "tower controllers saw smoke coming from the left engine"
>
> "took off from Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport at 3:50 p.m., groaning
> with
> 3,200 pounds of granite"
>
> I haven't done the weight and balance calculations for the above
> situation,
> but I know the DC-3 can fly on one engine all day. Did he overload the
> aircraft?
>
>
> Dallas

He lost one engine so after takeoff. I wonder at the claim of "groaning
with 3,200 pounds of granite" for an aircraft with a gross weight of 31,000
pounds. I am sure a DC-3, in good working order, is able to carry 1.5 tons
of freight without groaning.

Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
pounds of feathers!

John
 
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"John Ewing" <none@needed> wrote in message
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> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
> pounds of feathers!
>
> John

Only from the birds : )

Arthur
 
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John Ewing wrote:
> "Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
> news:2UQre.4699$jX6.129@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>"mike wheelock"
>>
>>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cplane14jun14,0,6566545.story
>>
>>Good pilot?
>>
>>"tower controllers saw smoke coming from the left engine"
>>
>>"took off from Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport at 3:50 p.m., groaning
>>with
>>3,200 pounds of granite"
>>
>>I haven't done the weight and balance calculations for the above
>>situation,
>>but I know the DC-3 can fly on one engine all day. Did he overload the
>>aircraft?
>>
>>
>>Dallas
>
>
> He lost one engine so after takeoff. I wonder at the claim of "groaning
> with 3,200 pounds of granite" for an aircraft with a gross weight of 31,000
> pounds. I am sure a DC-3, in good working order, is able to carry 1.5 tons
> of freight without groaning.
>
> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
> pounds of feathers!
>
> John
>
>
Thanks for the info. I knew something didn't seem right in the article
and I could get more on the DC3 by posting here.

Mike
 
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"John Ewing"
> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
> pounds of feathers!

LOL...

Ok, some googling turned up empty weight 16,970 lbs, Max ramp weight 26,000
lbs which gives her a useful load of 9,030 lbs. Cargo of 3,200 lbs makes her
under capacity by 6,100 lbs. Fuel for the round trip would be minimal as
Marsh Harbour is only 160 nm away.

6,100 lbs under weight and they couldn't fly on the remaining engine?
Something fishy methinks.


Dallas
 
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:45:08 GMT, "Dallas"
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

>
>"John Ewing"
>> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
>> pounds of feathers!
>
>LOL...
>
>Ok, some googling turned up empty weight 16,970 lbs, Max ramp weight 26,000
>lbs which gives her a useful load of 9,030 lbs. Cargo of 3,200 lbs makes her
>under capacity by 6,100 lbs. Fuel for the round trip would be minimal as
>Marsh Harbour is only 160 nm away.
>
>6,100 lbs under weight and they couldn't fly on the remaining engine?
>Something fishy methinks.
>
>
>Dallas
>
I flew DC-3's for 4 years.. ending 9 years ago.. (jets pay better, but
arn't as cool)
The company I flew for had 5 of them..
I know they differ due to engine size and configuration.. but..
all of ours had an empty weight of around 16,500 lbs and max ramp of
26,900..



One had such a large useful load that we had to leave a 4 stroke one
cyl engine that was mounted in the tail.. (early version of a
Auxiliary Power Unit).. It didn't work.. but if we had removed it, the
airplane would have had too large of useful load capacity.. and would
have placed it in FAR part 121 territory. (unless we placed a chunk of
lead to make up for the weight..)

16,500 empty
700 crew and personal stuff..
3,200 cargo..
2100 lbs fuel including reserve 300 gal..
------------
22,500

Even with double the needed fuel load.. they would have been well
below max weight..

Now we can all second guess these guys in the comfort of our computer
chairs.. BUT .. On the DC-3's.. If you have an engine failure.. and
need to feather the engine.. prop (rpm) lever doesn't do squat..
You have a large electrical button above pilot's and copilots
windshield (on either side of magneto switch.) You must press the
button for appropriate engine for it to feather.. AND the "indexing"
must work in the system otherwise the prop with cycle from positive
pitch to feather and back,,, until the button is pulled back out..
 
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maybe we should all load the sim and try, I've been recently flying the MAAM
DC-3 and it seems to be quite a beast, 100kts and 500fpm climb, couldnt
imagine with an engine out.

"Chuck" <none@no.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:45:08 GMT, "Dallas"
> <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Ewing"
>>> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
>>> pounds of feathers!
>>
>>LOL...
>>
>>Ok, some googling turned up empty weight 16,970 lbs, Max ramp weight
>>26,000
>>lbs which gives her a useful load of 9,030 lbs. Cargo of 3,200 lbs makes
>>her
>>under capacity by 6,100 lbs. Fuel for the round trip would be minimal as
>>Marsh Harbour is only 160 nm away.
>>
>>6,100 lbs under weight and they couldn't fly on the remaining engine?
>>Something fishy methinks.
>>
>>
>>Dallas
>>
> I flew DC-3's for 4 years.. ending 9 years ago.. (jets pay better, but
> arn't as cool)
> The company I flew for had 5 of them..
> I know they differ due to engine size and configuration.. but..
> all of ours had an empty weight of around 16,500 lbs and max ramp of
> 26,900..
>
>
>
> One had such a large useful load that we had to leave a 4 stroke one
> cyl engine that was mounted in the tail.. (early version of a
> Auxiliary Power Unit).. It didn't work.. but if we had removed it, the
> airplane would have had too large of useful load capacity.. and would
> have placed it in FAR part 121 territory. (unless we placed a chunk of
> lead to make up for the weight..)
>
> 16,500 empty
> 700 crew and personal stuff..
> 3,200 cargo..
> 2100 lbs fuel including reserve 300 gal..
> ------------
> 22,500
>
> Even with double the needed fuel load.. they would have been well
> below max weight..
>
> Now we can all second guess these guys in the comfort of our computer
> chairs.. BUT .. On the DC-3's.. If you have an engine failure.. and
> need to feather the engine.. prop (rpm) lever doesn't do squat..
> You have a large electrical button above pilot's and copilots
> windshield (on either side of magneto switch.) You must press the
> button for appropriate engine for it to feather.. AND the "indexing"
> must work in the system otherwise the prop with cycle from positive
> pitch to feather and back,,, until the button is pulled back out..
>
 
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ok it wasnt that bad, I was climbing at 120kts, went to 1000 feet and killed
#2, turned closed and landed. had 3600lbs of cargo and 3000 of fuel

"Petebert" <castle@nthrax.org> wrote in message
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> maybe we should all load the sim and try, I've been recently flying the
> MAAM DC-3 and it seems to be quite a beast, 100kts and 500fpm climb,
> couldnt imagine with an engine out.
>
> "Chuck" <none@no.com> wrote in message
> news:vlv0b11dpeqp0nv6oj2m6pb5cj0plsko1e@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:45:08 GMT, "Dallas"
>> <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Ewing"
>>>> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
>>>> pounds of feathers!
>>>
>>>LOL...
>>>
>>>Ok, some googling turned up empty weight 16,970 lbs, Max ramp weight
>>>26,000
>>>lbs which gives her a useful load of 9,030 lbs. Cargo of 3,200 lbs makes
>>>her
>>>under capacity by 6,100 lbs. Fuel for the round trip would be minimal as
>>>Marsh Harbour is only 160 nm away.
>>>
>>>6,100 lbs under weight and they couldn't fly on the remaining engine?
>>>Something fishy methinks.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dallas
>>>
>> I flew DC-3's for 4 years.. ending 9 years ago.. (jets pay better, but
>> arn't as cool)
>> The company I flew for had 5 of them..
>> I know they differ due to engine size and configuration.. but..
>> all of ours had an empty weight of around 16,500 lbs and max ramp of
>> 26,900..
>>
>>
>>
>> One had such a large useful load that we had to leave a 4 stroke one
>> cyl engine that was mounted in the tail.. (early version of a
>> Auxiliary Power Unit).. It didn't work.. but if we had removed it, the
>> airplane would have had too large of useful load capacity.. and would
>> have placed it in FAR part 121 territory. (unless we placed a chunk of
>> lead to make up for the weight..)
>>
>> 16,500 empty
>> 700 crew and personal stuff..
>> 3,200 cargo..
>> 2100 lbs fuel including reserve 300 gal..
>> ------------
>> 22,500
>>
>> Even with double the needed fuel load.. they would have been well
>> below max weight..
>>
>> Now we can all second guess these guys in the comfort of our computer
>> chairs.. BUT .. On the DC-3's.. If you have an engine failure.. and
>> need to feather the engine.. prop (rpm) lever doesn't do squat..
>> You have a large electrical button above pilot's and copilots
>> windshield (on either side of magneto switch.) You must press the
>> button for appropriate engine for it to feather.. AND the "indexing"
>> must work in the system otherwise the prop with cycle from positive
>> pitch to feather and back,,, until the button is pulled back out..
>>
>
>
 
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Yup, feathering those old engines was not without problems and probably
distracting...a not so good scenario at low altitude. Here is a discussion
of it:

http://www.douglasdc3.com/prop/prop.htm

This is from the main site:

http://www.douglasdc3.com/


Mike C

"Chuck" <none@no.com> wrote in message
news:vlv0b11dpeqp0nv6oj2m6pb5cj0plsko1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:45:08 GMT, "Dallas"
> <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Ewing"
>>> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
>>> pounds of feathers!
>>
>>LOL...
>>
>>Ok, some googling turned up empty weight 16,970 lbs, Max ramp weight
>>26,000
>>lbs which gives her a useful load of 9,030 lbs. Cargo of 3,200 lbs makes
>>her
>>under capacity by 6,100 lbs. Fuel for the round trip would be minimal as
>>Marsh Harbour is only 160 nm away.
>>
>>6,100 lbs under weight and they couldn't fly on the remaining engine?
>>Something fishy methinks.
>>
>>
>>Dallas
>>
> I flew DC-3's for 4 years.. ending 9 years ago.. (jets pay better, but
> arn't as cool)
> The company I flew for had 5 of them..
> I know they differ due to engine size and configuration.. but..
> all of ours had an empty weight of around 16,500 lbs and max ramp of
> 26,900..
>
>
>
> One had such a large useful load that we had to leave a 4 stroke one
> cyl engine that was mounted in the tail.. (early version of a
> Auxiliary Power Unit).. It didn't work.. but if we had removed it, the
> airplane would have had too large of useful load capacity.. and would
> have placed it in FAR part 121 territory. (unless we placed a chunk of
> lead to make up for the weight..)
>
> 16,500 empty
> 700 crew and personal stuff..
> 3,200 cargo..
> 2100 lbs fuel including reserve 300 gal..
> ------------
> 22,500
>
> Even with double the needed fuel load.. they would have been well
> below max weight..
>
> Now we can all second guess these guys in the comfort of our computer
> chairs.. BUT .. On the DC-3's.. If you have an engine failure.. and
> need to feather the engine.. prop (rpm) lever doesn't do squat..
> You have a large electrical button above pilot's and copilots
> windshield (on either side of magneto switch.) You must press the
> button for appropriate engine for it to feather.. AND the "indexing"
> must work in the system otherwise the prop with cycle from positive
> pitch to feather and back,,, until the button is pulled back out..
>
 
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A little more info on prop feathering

http://www.douglasdc3.com/sohn/5.htm

Mike C
"Chuck" <none@no.com> wrote in message
news:vlv0b11dpeqp0nv6oj2m6pb5cj0plsko1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:45:08 GMT, "Dallas"
> <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Ewing"
>>> Perhaps no groaning would have been evident if they were carrying 3,200
>>> pounds of feathers!
>>
>>LOL...
>>
>>Ok, some googling turned up empty weight 16,970 lbs, Max ramp weight
>>26,000
>>lbs which gives her a useful load of 9,030 lbs. Cargo of 3,200 lbs makes
>>her
>>under capacity by 6,100 lbs. Fuel for the round trip would be minimal as
>>Marsh Harbour is only 160 nm away.
>>
>>6,100 lbs under weight and they couldn't fly on the remaining engine?
>>Something fishy methinks.
>>
>>
>>Dallas
>>
> I flew DC-3's for 4 years.. ending 9 years ago.. (jets pay better, but
> arn't as cool)
> The company I flew for had 5 of them..
> I know they differ due to engine size and configuration.. but..
> all of ours had an empty weight of around 16,500 lbs and max ramp of
> 26,900..
>
>
>
> One had such a large useful load that we had to leave a 4 stroke one
> cyl engine that was mounted in the tail.. (early version of a
> Auxiliary Power Unit).. It didn't work.. but if we had removed it, the
> airplane would have had too large of useful load capacity.. and would
> have placed it in FAR part 121 territory. (unless we placed a chunk of
> lead to make up for the weight..)
>
> 16,500 empty
> 700 crew and personal stuff..
> 3,200 cargo..
> 2100 lbs fuel including reserve 300 gal..
> ------------
> 22,500
>
> Even with double the needed fuel load.. they would have been well
> below max weight..
>
> Now we can all second guess these guys in the comfort of our computer
> chairs.. BUT .. On the DC-3's.. If you have an engine failure.. and
> need to feather the engine.. prop (rpm) lever doesn't do squat..
> You have a large electrical button above pilot's and copilots
> windshield (on either side of magneto switch.) You must press the
> button for appropriate engine for it to feather.. AND the "indexing"
> must work in the system otherwise the prop with cycle from positive
> pitch to feather and back,,, until the button is pulled back out..
>
 
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