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After an attack like 9/11 you have to expect some American interrogators will go over the line. But the absurdity of this situation, the Red Hot Chili Peppers designated as torture? After 3,000 Americans lay dead in the street?

It's almost too much to comprehend. The truth is that America has been restrained in its response to the savagery of Al Qaeda and others. We do not see that point of view much in the press. What you will continue to see is the word torture. With apology to the Chili Peppers.



My Ideas of torture would include smearing them in menstrual discharge putting a gun to their heads & letting them know they won't die a "Clean Death" nor get their 40 friggin Virgins...

Islam states you must die a clean death to get to heaven...being covered in blood would violate that,menstrual discharge would strike horror into their hearts as the most foul fluid of the Un-clean woman...

I'd get em singing like fcuking canarys... :evil:

Reply to AilingBlackLab

Hell, I'd force the to drink Miller Lite and PBR ... :evil:

Reply to Jake_Barnes
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213627,00.html

I would hate to be a US prisoner...



Are you being serious, or sarcastic? Did you actually read the article? I would hardly call a cold room and being forced to listen to the RHCPs torture. Maybe annoying, but hardly a physical violation.

If you are serious, then heres a tidbit for you. The US Armed forces subject their own personnel to far worse than that during SERE school, (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape). SERE was born of Viet Nam to prepare combat pilots for (among other things) the torture they would endure if they were shot down.

The US is the only country in the world that in any way shape or form even attempts to adhere to the Geneva convention and fair treatment of prisoners. The Viet Nam vets who post here could probably overwhelm you with stories of treatment of their buds who were POWs. IRAQI POWs, (the ones who werent beheaded with rusty saws) will tell you more wonderful stories.

Please, tell me you werent serious

Reply to turpit
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I'll agree with that!!!! I served in the Nam!!!!!

He couldn't handle the training to start with..... [shrug]

Reply to RCPilot
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Sarcasm kid.. sarcasm.

Reply to Riser
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Talk is cheap.

Reply to Riser
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beheaded with rusty saws


Is it better to be beheaded with a shiny new saw?

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Talk is cheap.


But I've done it!!!!! You haven't....

So who's talk is cheap??????

Reply to RCPilot
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I suppose you had to go and have someone else constantly telling you what to do in order to live. Sorry, I don't.

Secondly, I leave things alone when I leave. If fights started in a hockey rink, outside the rink, they never happened. When I walked off the football field, everything out there stayed out there. When I walked off the diamond, it stayed there. Likewise with conversations. Keep it in one thread because you obviously feel this to be a personal attack on you.

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The US is the only country in the world that in any way shape or form even attempts to adhere to the Geneva convention and fair treatment of prisoners. The Viet Nam vets who post here could probably overwhelm you with stories of treatment of their buds who were POWs. IRAQI POWs, (the ones who werent beheaded with rusty saws) will tell you more wonderful stories



Utter utter bollocks. You are aware of the fact that there are other countries in the world beside your own?

Reply to RobD

Oh come off it Rob. You know that the Queen herself likes to torture people for the sheer pleasure of it... Her and Wingy do it together...

The US is the only perfect country in the world... The UK is like the US was in like the early 1400's... All barbarians...

:roll:

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The US is the only country in the world that in any way shape or form even attempts to adhere to the Geneva convention and fair treatment of prisoners. The Viet Nam vets who post here could probably overwhelm you with stories of treatment of their buds who were POWs. IRAQI POWs, (the ones who werent beheaded with rusty saws) will tell you more wonderful stories



Utter utter bollocks. You are aware of the fact that there are other countries in the world beside your own?

While the statment you make is true I believe very few countries would adhere to the Geneva guidelines...I'll list those I believe would,in no particular order. Note the many Western nations missing from the list.

(I'll put the U.K. 1st to console Rob :D )

U.K.
Denmark
Poland
Holland
Italy
Spain
Portugal
Switzerland
Finland
Luxembourg
Canada
Belgium
Austraila
U.S.A.
Greenland
Russia

16 Thats not a hell of alot. And Yes my conclusions are based totally on racial profiling...If ya' don't like it... well fcuk off . :P

P.S. Russia was added because I truly believe their people have had enough of human rights violations.

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Hell, I'd force the to drink Miller Lite and PBR ... :evil:


Force them to talk w/ SoD until they kill themselves... Or SoD.








Or both!

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P.S. Russia was added because I truly believe their people have had enough of human rights violations.



Not half as much as the Chechnyans.

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What? No Middle East countries? :roll:

Reply to Riser
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Much obliged sir. :D

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What? No Middle East countries? :roll:



Yea... The beheadings are a prickly thorn in their compliance... :wink:

Reply to AilingBlackLab

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What? No Middle East countries? :roll:



Yea... The beheadings are a prickly thorn in their compliance... :wink:

Yeah - you'd never find a Western nation with capital punishment. :wink:

Reply to llama_man

There's a bit of a differince between death by lethal injection for a murderer convicted by due process and a soldier captured & beheaded on live webcast simply because of who he is...

Sometimes you make sense...Then there's times like this when you sound more stupid than SOD... :roll:

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There's a bit of a differince between death by lethal injection for a murderer convicted by due process and a soldier captured & beheaded on live webcast simply because of who he is...

Sometimes you make sense...Then there's times like this when you sound more stupid than SOD... :roll:



I was thinking more of the electric chair - certainly one of the more inventive and unneccesarily extravagant methods of execution devised.

AFAIK, Iraq never had public beheadings - the preferred method of execution was hanging or firing squad (which is another one used by the US). The televised beheadings were carried out by terrorist groups - not by a country.

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The US is the only country in the world that in any way shape or form even attempts to adhere to the Geneva convention and fair treatment of prisoners. The Viet Nam vets who post here could probably overwhelm you with stories of treatment of their buds who were POWs. IRAQI POWs, (the ones who werent beheaded with rusty saws) will tell you more wonderful stories



Utter utter bollocks. You are aware of the fact that there are other countries in the world beside your own?

Yes. I am also aware, that those other countries dont value the comfort of criminals and enemy combatants at the expense of the safety and security of their own citizens.

I love the Brits. Do you think the SAS gives a crap if a muslim terrorist gets 3 culturally acceptable meals and five prayer sesions per day, plus a minimum of 8 hours of uninterupted rest and exercise periods, while waiting for the scum to crack and deliver the intel? NOT.

Do you think the Caribinari are worried about some punk gun runners right to legal representation? Not the Caribinari Ive worked with.

Even the french torture the crap out of whomever they feel the need to. The only difrerence with the french is that they deny it and make counter accusations to try and maintain their BS holier than thou facade while drawing attention away from their own actions.

What is it that these countries lack that the US doesnt? Humanity? Compassion? No, what they lack is uncontrolable hordes of unrealistic bored liberals who've never endured a day of hardship in their lives and are looking for a bandwagon to jump on just to occupy their time and make themselves feel better about their easy little lives. They have their liberals, they just dont let the liberals throw away reality so scumbags can have easier lives


America, once the home of the brave and land of the free is now AmericaInc.org. home of tax grubbing pussies and land of citizen internment, and we would do very well to take a few lessons/reminders from some other countries, (GB, Aus, Itl) in dealing with criminals

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I never made NAM R.C I was like 12 when it ended but I read all the newspapers and T.V of the time and they are burned into my mind no fear there.

I feel like I knew more about it during current events then you guys did who were actually there.

That was the biggest hurt I felt for all you guys when you came back from Nam, we would see losers spiting on Vets at the Airport and know why they were doing it however the Vets not knowing what was plastered all over the fooking newspapers every day did not.

Anyone with a freaking brain in their head knows you don't blame the tool pushers for managements fuckups and Nam was a Management fuck up.

Hence the U.S GI's saying "FUBAR" from WWI; WWII and so on to the present.

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Besides your article I saw some coverage about the Guantanamo Prison on the Discovery channel I think it was, what concerns me is the detainees that haven't been really charged with a crime but have been held in prison limbo since shortly after 9/11.

With them being terrorist suspects, they're falling on uncharted ground as to their treatment and holding them for no claimed reason is a crime in my book.

In America you have to be charged with a crime to even be legally confined, and certain rights are allowed at that point, these detainees aren't allowed those rights, and America is in the wrong for that.

Terrorist attacks doesn't give us the right to throw everything this country is all about out the window, were talking people that have been basically illegally detained for 5 years.

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Nam was a governmental mistake, our soldiers did their jobs, and the government craped on them, I was in the airport when our soldiers were being spit upon, waiting for the plane ride to my duty station.

Seeing how our own soldiers were treated and wondering what the hell I'd just gotten myself into, for the longest time Nam wasn't even called a war, another governmental excuse not to fully cover the returning Vets medical and financial needs.

America is a wonderful country!

But its government sometimes sucks, and our soldiers always pay the price!

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what concerns me is the detainees that haven't been really charged with a crime but have been held in prison limbo since shortly after 9/11.



I can agree with that point. We don't know what these people were caught doing. Were they in the midst of fighting the US and just captured? If so, do we return them home only so they go back to fighting us? There hasn't been a cease fire or treaty with anyone.. in that case, what happens to standard POWs of a war that never ends?

Put them back, they're likely to fight again or they might just go home. Break their morale, send them home..

Its tough what can be done with them..

Reply to Riser

A bunch of those detainees have been released and sent home - the one's our people determined not to be a continuing threat. Most of those in Gitmo are the "worst of the worst" ... taliban fighters captured on the battlefield fighting/killing Americans and our allies. Or, of course, al-Qaeda terrorists and/or their leaders.

A news report I watched indicated that when questioned about what they would do if released, most said they would continue to try to kill Americans. These people would have charges and trials if the Congress would get it's act together and come up with the appropriate legislation that defines their status - be it POW or just plain terrorist bent on killing more Americans (and that's most of you Infidels out there ... :wink: )

What should we do - release people who are sworn to take up arms to try to kill us again? Hell, I don't know why we took prisoners in the 1st place ... 8O

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Go back to WWII, just shoot the prisoner.

My grandfather told me they would be heading down the road and a Germany would jump out, shoot a soldier or use something to take out a tank. He'd immediately surrender. At first, they kept a few.

When they noticed this was a tatic, they just started shooting the guy and kept on moving.

My grandfather and another guy were sent in to check out a farm house. The German couple there were yelling at them, apparently threatened to kill them. So, pappy tossed a grenade into their horse stable and left. Harsh, but his point was made. He said he thought German soldiers were hiding in there.. he was wrong. :wink:

I wouldn't want to take prisoners over there.. these people thrive on death.. at least the ones fighting. Give it to them.

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Bad Pope, BAD! Don't quote history.. or else, you'll face this.






http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g151/riser11/freaks.jpg

I believe we need to do the world justice. I believe we can accomplish this by sending all help desk and call center jobs to these people. Yes, it will suck having to deal with them on the phone. It will suck understanding them. But, they'll have jobs, stop protesting, and most likely they're stop blowing shit up.

Reply to Riser

Here's what the pope said:

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Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and a Persian scholar on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

Benedict did not explicitly agree with the statement nor repudiate it.


Turkish Lawmaker Compares Pope to Hitler
Copyright 2006 Associated Press

I think comparing the pope to Hitler was a bit harsh ... 8O

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The comparing to Hitler is getting old. Every time something comes up, news has Muslims all over the Muslim world protesting, Muslim gov'ts start condemning to keep the people happy, blah blah blah.

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