Vista delay cuz of Conroe?

Business editions of Vista will available to volume licensing customers as scheduled, just not to consumers.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that this is the case at all. I'm sure Intel and Microsoft are working together.

As far as the 64 bit thing goes, yes, Conroe will have 64 bit. The current P4's apparently don't work as well with 64 bit as AMD. Not sure how the Conroe chips are gonna do as far as performance goes. I guess we'll have to wait and see once it's released.

I'd imagine that they'd use a good implementation of x86-64. It'd be rather foolish to add in heaps of new things and not do that.

We'll wait and see.

EM64T is a rebranded AMD64, Intel literally, IIRC, is licensed from AMD to use AMD64, they just named it EM64T and did some minor changes.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

So true man. What we don't really know is, how Intel will change or if they're going to change the 64 bit instructions within their chipsets. As Mike said, probably not. I've never used Intel or AMD in 64 bit mode so, i'm not going to judge just based on benchmarks. I do have Linux setup on my Opteron machine (dual boot) but, heh, I keep gaming on it all the time and haven't had the time to mess with it.

Oh, and BTW, GET A NEW KEYBOARD .. just kidding

Hey, you should run FC5 x86_64, I hear it's 75% improvement over XP x64 which is 10% over 32-bit, and 85% increase in Memory Bandwidth & CPU performance isn't anything to shun.

@Action: I'm 99.999% positive Intel licensed out x86_64 from AMD's AMD64. I heard a rumor that Windows XP x64 was made using Dual AMD Opteron 64 CPU's, not sure of the validity.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

I ran Vista Beta 1 x86 on a Workstation and Laptop, and I ran Vista Beta 1 x64 on a Workstation, I only got it to BSoD once on me and that was when I tried to get it to crash, other than that it seemed stabled.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Beta 2 is out? I thought it was coming soon, I'll have to grab a copy and try it out.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

yeah, I was reading up on FC5 the other day and thought about it. I installed SUSE on it and really like the UI. Now, if I can just figure out how to get my windows games to run and see how they run on Linux, i'll move away from Windows altogether on that box.

Linux is awesome but i'm such a noob with it.

Nice!

It never BSOD'd for me (I only used x86) but it just seemed like it was doing a lot more 'thinking' than XP ever did, just little irritating things. I had one of the later Longhorn builds which was better, but Beta 1 for me was more akin to one of the earlier Longhorn builds with WinFX - eating resources.

LOL I loved WinFS, gotta love WINFS.EXE LOL @ THAT!!! You could end it and crash the OS, LOLLOL!!!

I had 1GB and 2GB of RAM (for x86 and x64 respectively) and it seemed that the Beta 1 was nice. The Alpha Build I had was sh!t, the OS took 500MB and I couldn't install anything, it sucked. Not to mention the hassle I had to install it, sheesh .

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Nah, but I heard that some or one of the versions of Vista Final Build will have the sidebar thing back, it's kinda gay. They have WinFS so you can install it on a Windows XP Machine, I tried to but kept giving me a bunch of errors so I said 'screw it'.

IMHO, NTFS is perfectly fine, and FAT32 is great too but I have lots of files over 4GB so FAT32 is no-no for me. What computers need is CHEAP 10GbE, because RAMDisks and High-Performance Servers are suffering from 1GbE, which after the Overhead and 8B/10B is taken into effect, you're left with 60-100MB/s, which is puny.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

No where in that article does it even suggest Vista was delayed for Viiv or Conroe. The article doesn't even mention Conroe. Quit putting a spin on stuff.

When's the funeral so I can pay my respects?

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

You sounded like he killed your dog, people get pissed and attack others or say things when somebody kills their dog and well...you ruined the joke f*cker! lol j/k .

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Oh ya? Well so's your FACE!! DISSSSS! lol .

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Oh i see. Well, I'm not angry with him or anyone. I just don't like it when people put a spin on something... esp. this whole Conroe battle. (it's getting old)

I personally obtained it illegally, but I know somebody who's part of Microsoft IT Tech Network (or w/e the f*ck it's called) and they get beta's and such for free to test.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

bit torrent and IRC stud. illegal of course. M$ doesn't really object though- in many ways it actually helps them that people are getting it illegally. M$ kinda gave up on trying to keep BETA releases out of the hands of pirates after WinXP. It's futile and the time bombs work anyways.

www.winbeta.org is the group that releases BETA stuff. (note: you can't get it from there, but you can read about it)

You sure it's BETA 2? I didn't think it was out yet...

I was waiting for Avalon/WPF to show up in Vista before I messed with it. Anyways, if you install lemme know if it has Avalon in it.

I used to hang in IRC a lot. It's funny cause IRC has been around forever now and it's still the primary method of warez distribution. The feds can never shut down IRC networks.

I think they're not doing a beta 2 (by name) instead they're just going with the whole CTP thing.

Ya, they're doing monthly CTP's.

I'm dissappointed with Vista thus far.

So far I've used it on my PCs (all fairly average spec, 2-3ghz, 512-1gb RAM) and it's been slow and unreliable on all.

You're right - all those 3D options are slowing it down. MS havent done a good job of integrating it into the GUI yet; it just feels like XP GUI with bells and whistles sort of lamely stuck on with superglue. Apple OSX is obviously much more stable, but manages to fit 'flashy 3D bits' in much better - I.E. to serve the OS, not to make sure that you'll be spending plenty of time ordering RAM and new CPUs every time you need to install something new.

The idea of charging a monthly subscription to Windows sounds like a terrible one to me. I know gamers will want to perhaps pay extra for DX10, but I'm pretty sure it's only obsessive 3D-Mark-ers who will end up paying for it. The rest of us will either stick with XP or go for an 'inferior' model of Vista.

Have MS confirmed the final number of 'editions' yet? I'd like to know what people think of having to pay extra for DX10 etc...

I believe M$ would delay vista, if Intel asked. I also believe that the engineers would be happy to see conroe run on XP for a while.
A part of me also believes that, in 64 bit, conroe will not perform as well as K8.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvi [...] fault.mspx

XP already has two vers for business (1 cd key per install or multiple install key) and two vers for home. ( home and MCE). All they are really adding is a home enthusiast ver. No doubt this is the one you will need to rent DX10.