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Disgusted by 7800GTX prices

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March 27, 2006 8:38:40 PM

So I've been wathcing these for the past few weeks since the release of the 7900GT , and I'm gettings sorely disgusted with the market right now. Here are a couple links from NewEgg to show what I mean (which also reflects the results that I've seen from all retailers).

Price list for 7900GT
Price List for 7800GTX

Benchmarks have show that the 7900GT is a slightly better performing card, so it pisses me off to no end that the 7800GTX is a much higher priced card.

Yes, you can argue that the 90nm reduces nVidia's cost, which intern gets passed to retailers & consumers, but from an end point, there's not reason that I am forced to pay more for a lesser performing card.

Of course, in case you can't tell, the point of this rant is that I already have a BFG 7800GTXOC, so going with an SLI'ed rig with two of those is my best upgrade path for graphics.
March 27, 2006 8:53:16 PM

I know what you mean. But keep in mind since the 7800 will stop being manufactured if they haven't stopped already, prices won't drop very much as time goes on, and more than likely they will go up as what's left starts to dwindle.
March 27, 2006 8:56:58 PM

Nods
March 27, 2006 9:08:49 PM

I know, especially with the 7900GT that outperformns it and cost less as well. I would expect the 7800GTX 256 would be cheaper like around $300 or lower as well as the 7800GT. Right now I'm expecting a rebate for spending 1K for 2 BFG 7800GTX 256. :( 
March 27, 2006 9:39:01 PM

well.. I'm not a nvidia or a ati fan boy.. but i really can't understand why anyone buys the 7800 or 7900 over the Ati 1900 xtx.. it just a better card all round and it will last a lot longer.. but if people feel like supporting a brand name that is not as good as another brand and pay around the same price then good on you.. me i always want the best now and for the future and if it was the 7900 i would have got it..!! and if you are looking for something a bit cheaper then.. 1900xt.
March 27, 2006 9:43:24 PM

Yeah; I've been waiting for the 7800GT prices to go down, but they haven't. They're still about $300 from newegg, the price of a 7900GT, which will totally pwn it.

Oh, yeah; Chuckhissle. I can't imagine spending $1k on graphics cards. My whole system cost like $650-700. You must be mad as hell to have bought them, and have something new and cheaper come along. Just think; for the price of a 7800GTX when it came out ($600, right?) you could have two 7900GT's. But I can't imagine spending $600 on a graphics card, either. Do you see where I'm going with this?
March 27, 2006 9:49:14 PM

Umm, the X1900XT is still a $450 card, whereas the 7900GT's can be bought at $300. There are many many people who would refuse to pay above $400 for a video card, so that's why so many go for the 7900GT. However, I can understand your point if you are talking about the X1900XT vs. the 7900GTX. In my opinion, I'd go with ATI in a heartbeat, as you save $100 and get better performance in shader heavy games.
March 27, 2006 9:54:53 PM

Cards often stay in the price category they debuted in long after better parts come to market for cheap.

Just look for a 6800 Ultra. If you can find a new one it'll probably be over $400...
March 27, 2006 10:05:42 PM

Keep in mind that retailers probably bought the 7800 cards from their suppliers before the 7900s came out which means they still had to pay their higher cost for the 7800s, which is why they are still passing the higher prices to the consumer. I doubt the 7800 cards have been or are flying off the shelves within the last month or so because everybody was waiting on the 7900s so their 7800 inventory is probably still based on stock they ordered from a few months ago, i.e. cards they bought at higher prices.

They're gonna milk the 7800s for as long as they can before dropping prices on them. At least until they have mainstream 7900 inventory available.
March 27, 2006 10:31:25 PM

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Cards often stay in the price category they debuted in long after better parts come to market for cheap.

Just look for a 6800 Ultra. If you can find a new one it'll probably be over $400...

You're somewhat true. Here's a link to 6800 Ultras on newegg. One is $460 (who the hell would buy that?) and one is $260 (who the hell would buy that?) I'm guessing $460 is what it cost in 2004, when it was actually worth that much.
March 28, 2006 12:51:34 AM

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i really can't understand why anyone buys the 7800 or 7900 over the Ati 1900 xtx.. it just a better card all round and it will last a lot longer.. but if people feel like supporting a brand name that is not as good as another brand and pay around the same price then good on you.. me i always want the best now and for the future and if it was the 7900 i would have got it..!! and if you are looking for something a bit cheaper then.. 1900xt.


Hm... "best card?" Apparently, there's no clearcut winner this time, even though the X1900 cards are cheaper. True, I wouldn't buy a 7800GTX now with the 7900GT/GTX and X1900 cards available, but I wouldn't give the nod to either card.

First, look at the scores. Even on this website, the scores were pretty evenly matched. Go to Gamespot's comparison of SLi 7900GTx and Crossfire X1900XTX, and you'll see that the SLi cards won 3 of 5 tests. In one of the tests that the 7900GTX SLi card lost, they bested the ATi X1900XTX Crossfire in that test (SM3/HDR)... until FSAA was turned on. Yes, you can't run HDR and FSAA together on an nVidia card, but until Bethesda releases a patch, you can't run them together in TES:o blvion, even with the X1900XTX. That means the two effects are also software-dependent (unless you own a 360).

And that leads to another reason why one would prefer the 7900GTX: SLi. So many people bought SLi mobos over the last year. And while mobos are "cheap", I'm sure many of those people aren't willing to gut their whole PC just to upgrade their videocards (assuming that they can afford to!). If they bought them from a PC manufacturer, for instance, they might just rip the old cards out and replace them with new ones, not knowing even how to upgrade the mobo.

And a 3rd reason: the 7900GTX cards require less power and therefore generate less heat. I also understand that the fans are quieter.

Of course, these reasons aren't valid across the board, given the heady number of manufacturers who are making these cards. But I was planning on upgrading my 7800GTX 256mb card next month (I bought it back in August for $500 and have no regrets -- it's done me very well), and now I'm going to wait. Both companies are producing cards that have their pros and cons right now. With the G80 and the R600 right around the corner, however, I'd like to see if either company can solve some of the issues that were raised with their last batch of cards.
March 28, 2006 12:55:27 AM

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They're gonna milk the 7800s for as long as they can before dropping prices on them. At least until they have mainstream 7900 inventory available.


You raised an interesting point: maybe some people will buy the 7800 cards because the 7900 cards are all out of stock, especially a person who owns an SLi mobo but isn't as tech-aware as many of us. That person might be upgrading from a dual-6800 or (even worse) 6600 solution....
March 28, 2006 1:21:52 AM

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They're gonna milk the 7800s for as long as they can before dropping prices on them. At least until they have mainstream 7900 inventory available.


You raised an interesting point: maybe some people will buy the 7800 cards because the 7900 cards are all out of stock, especially a person who owns an SLi mobo but isn't as tech-aware as many of us. That person might be upgrading from a dual-6800 or (even worse) 6600 solution....
If they're not tech-aware, they'll probably buy the 7800's from Best Buy (cough; Ripoff) for $700 each.
March 28, 2006 2:07:00 AM

now your talkin!! maybe them vannilla 6600's for 500.00 with a rebate that never comes :D  ori can get my card installed by pro's for 100.00, yay!!!
March 28, 2006 2:27:49 AM

hahaha fanboy. studies also show that a 7800gtx512 in sli kills a 1900xt in crossfre. so there u go little fanboy loyal customer
March 28, 2006 2:36:27 AM

At this current point in time its not the smartest idea buying a video card. wait for vista to come out. sure the cards are "vista ready" it just means they are fully compatable with it but it wont be able to support DirectX10. Wait for the DX10 cards to come out with vista. currently my 6800GSs will do fine til then.
March 28, 2006 2:38:08 AM

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If they're not tech-aware, they'll probably buy the 7800's from Best Buy (cough; Ripoff) for $700 each.


WHAT???? You're kidding...! You mean Best Buy sometimes rips you off? You mean that 1gb RAM upgrade for $300 was too much???? And $200 for a 5400rpm 80gb hard drive is too high???? 8O

Seriously, there IS a market for these high prices. I mean, if you're pulling down six figures a year and you need a very nice high-tech, last-minute birthday present for your up-and-coming-PC-gaming nephew because he's your favorite sister's only child, then $700 isn't a whole lot to ask for....

Then again, wouldn't it be nice if you could afford to get ripped off like that? I'd glady pay those prices... if I could. :wink:
March 28, 2006 2:44:04 AM

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At this current point in time its not the smartest idea buying a video card. wait for vista to come out. sure the cards are "vista ready" it just means they are fully compatable with it but it wont be able to support DirectX10. Wait for the DX10 cards to come out with vista. currently my 6800GSs will do fine til then.


Vista has been delayed until next year. Personally, I'd add at least 6 months before upgrading to a new Windows platform after release (remember Windows 2000?). Halo 2 ain't worth the upgrade.

And by the time Vista actually does surface (barring any more delays -- the release date isn't official yet), I'll be ready to upgrade my videocard again. Yes, sad but true.
March 28, 2006 3:01:35 AM

You forgot the largest reason of all: Some people bought their 7800GTX's when, surprisingly, they had jsut been released and they were the best cards on the market, destroying anything ATI had to offer.
March 28, 2006 7:25:02 PM

im running on a asus geforce5200fx and dont plan to change till vista cums out, but when it does i plan on getting the best card available maybe 2 to sli as i want it to run on a big lcd hdtv
March 28, 2006 7:32:51 PM

You guys think thats bad, I ordered the parts for my current rig the day befor the 7900s where released... So ended up spending US$450 on a card that turned out to be made out dated the day after...

I'm not a fanboy, but I havent used an ATI card in quite a while, becuase I haven't been satisfied with the ATI driver set, and Catalist... Lets just not go there.
March 28, 2006 7:44:09 PM

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hahaha fanboy. studies also show that a 7800gtx512 in sli kills a 1900xt in crossfre. so there u go little fanboy loyal customer


Whose the fanboy, exactly?

Please provide links to these "studies". I call BS on this one.
March 28, 2006 7:56:52 PM

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They're gonna milk the 7800s for as long as they can before dropping prices on them. At least until they have mainstream 7900 inventory available.


You raised an interesting point: maybe some people will buy the 7800 cards because the 7900 cards are all out of stock, especially a person who owns an SLi mobo but isn't as tech-aware as many of us. That person might be upgrading from a dual-6800 or (even worse) 6600 solution....

I heard a sales guy say that 7900s aren't really out of stock, they are just being held a few weeks to try to purge the 7800 stock. Probably just teasing of full of sheitt, but something to ponder.

Your earlier post was an excellent analysis, by the way.
March 28, 2006 8:08:17 PM

I'd go with a X1800XT really.
7800GT doesn't have much time ahead. It's still odd though. The same thing happens with 939 socket. Both are reaching the end of the line but no price decreases.
Untill now( IE 2 months ago) i'd recomend 7800GT to anyone looking at the 300$ mark but now the worst thing you can do is get one. It is clearly the worst performer when put head to head with the 7900GT and x1800xt.
Combine that with low IQ and you wasted a lot of money.
March 28, 2006 11:10:17 PM

Its business...


They bought those 7800GTX for a high price and they are trying not to take a total loss on them.


The price they are selling them at is probably 10% over what THEY paid for them.



IF they dont dump them soon, 10% price drop just to get rid of them at cost. If they still have some after that they will take a bath and lose alot of money.


They are hoping some sucker who didnt do their research swoops in and buys it.
March 28, 2006 11:15:11 PM

That is BS... It could be true with a vendor, but not when all the major vendors do not have the card... That is called a paper launch. nVidia and their partners just did not have enough cards ready, nor production enough to supply the market with, that is why they are hard to find.
March 29, 2006 1:17:41 PM

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That is BS... It could be true with a vendor, but not when all the major vendors do not have the card... That is called a paper launch. nVidia and their partners just did not have enough cards ready, nor production enough to supply the market with, that is why they are hard to find.



Agreed. If the vendors have stock I understand having the price what it is because that close to what they paid for the card.


Out of stock items with the current prices are absurd. But sadly, you wont see the 7800GTX again if its out of stock.

Why would Nvidia even make this card anymore? They wont.
March 29, 2006 1:32:21 PM

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That is BS... It could be true with a vendor, but not when all the major vendors do not have the card... That is called a paper launch. nVidia and their partners just did not have enough cards ready, nor production enough to supply the market with, that is why they are hard to find.


Like I said, he was probably teasing or full of BS. I typically take what sales people have to say with a grain of salt. I still listen and maybe even take note, but, having heard some real zingers in stores here and there, I know better than to accept their lines as gospel.
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March 29, 2006 2:51:12 PM

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i really can't understand why anyone buys the 7800 or 7900 over the Ati 1900 xtx.. it just a better card all round and it will last a lot longer.. but if people feel like supporting a brand name that is not as good as another brand and pay around the same price then good on you.. me i always want the best now and for the future and if it was the 7900 i would have got it..!! and if you are looking for something a bit cheaper then.. 1900xt.


Hm... "best card?" Apparently, there's no clearcut winner this time, even though the X1900 cards are cheaper. True, I wouldn't buy a 7800GTX now with the 7900GT/GTX and X1900 cards available, but I wouldn't give the nod to either card.

First, look at the scores. Even on this website, the scores were pretty evenly matched. Go to Gamespot's comparison of SLi 7900GTx and Crossfire X1900XTX, and you'll see that the SLi cards won 3 of 5 tests. In one of the tests that the 7900GTX SLi card lost, they bested the ATi X1900XTX Crossfire in that test (SM3/HDR)... until FSAA was turned on. Yes, you can't run HDR and FSAA together on an nVidia card, but until Bethesda releases a patch, you can't run them together in TES:o blvion, even with the X1900XTX. That means the two effects are also software-dependent (unless you own a 360).

And that leads to another reason why one would prefer the 7900GTX: SLi. So many people bought SLi mobos over the last year. And while mobos are "cheap", I'm sure many of those people aren't willing to gut their whole PC just to upgrade their videocards (assuming that they can afford to!). If they bought them from a PC manufacturer, for instance, they might just rip the old cards out and replace them with new ones, not knowing even how to upgrade the mobo.

And a 3rd reason: the 7900GTX cards require less power and therefore generate less heat. I also understand that the fans are quieter.

Of course, these reasons aren't valid across the board, given the heady number of manufacturers who are making these cards. But I was planning on upgrading my 7800GTX 256mb card next month (I bought it back in August for $500 and have no regrets -- it's done me very well), and now I'm going to wait. Both companies are producing cards that have their pros and cons right now. With the G80 and the R600 right around the corner, however, I'd like to see if either company can solve some of the issues that were raised with their last batch of cards.

Easy... x1900 supports more features and offers higher image quality. It either outperforms or matches the 7900GTX with the said bonuses.

And the Image Quality difference is there... and can easilly be spotted. Especially when High Quality AF is enabled.
March 29, 2006 4:30:38 PM

quit blabing about the 1900xtx or what ever its just what really people prefer. you either a Intel or an AMD man, you either a NVidia or ATI man, unless your a moonlighter its really what you choose. The 7900GTX are powerful when SLi same withthe 1900XTX in crossfire, either way you getting top performance of the "high end" area which will fall short no matter what you do, because in at least a year you no longer have the highest cards out there. Either way their both high end cards be happy with the video quility.

no back on topic. 7800GTX prices i can see why they're high because they dont make them and anyone who only bought one and want to change to SLI are sorta screwed but try mix and match. Check the SLI-Zone to see what other cards are compatable.
March 29, 2006 7:21:20 PM

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you either a Intel or an AMD man, you either a NVidia or ATI man, unless your a moonlighter its really what you choose.


Speak for yourself. I have a Mac laptop, a Mac desktop, an AMD laptop, an AMD desktop, an Intel laptop and two Intel desktops. I've got a variety of video cards too. I try to balance needs, features, performance, reliability and cost, regardless of whose logo is on the box. All of those parameters change as a function of time.
March 29, 2006 7:48:25 PM

do you not know what moonlighting is?? it means you like the best of both world or more worlds.
March 29, 2006 8:00:38 PM

Let me get this right: you are complaining that a card which outperforms another card is more expensive than the lesser card?

Yeah - that's a real travesty alright.

Personally, I'd sue for damages and mental anguish. :p 
March 29, 2006 8:14:32 PM

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If they're not tech-aware, they'll probably buy the 7800's from Best Buy (cough; Ripoff) for $700 each.


WHAT???? You're kidding...! You mean Best Buy sometimes rips you off? You mean that 1gb RAM upgrade for $300 was too much???? And $200 for a 5400rpm 80gb hard drive is too high???? 8O

Seriously, there IS a market for these high prices. I mean, if you're pulling down six figures a year and you need a very nice high-tech, last-minute birthday present for your up-and-coming-PC-gaming nephew because he's your favorite sister's only child, then $700 isn't a whole lot to ask for....

Then again, wouldn't it be nice if you could afford to get ripped off like that? I'd glady pay those prices... if I could. :wink:
Your post is very stupid. If I was pulling down six figures a year, I'd prefer to spend that money on a nice house, a Porsche, and save some for retirement rather than waste it on an overpriced video card. Overpaying for something is never smart, even if you're Bill Gates.
March 29, 2006 8:28:32 PM

LOL! Killls? What are you reading man? I have Maximum PC and they were pretty much neck and neck, in fact

"It’s important to note, however, that the areas in which the X1900 XTX outperforms the 7800 GTX dovetail with the direction in which game developers are headed: ATI’s highest-end card trails nVidia’s in 3DMark03 performance by nine percent, but it bests nVidia’s 3DMark05 score by nearly 13 percent. We’re still evaluating the recently released 3DMark06 for inclusion in our benchmark suite, but it was enlightening to see that the X1900 XTX outperformed the 7800 GTX on this test almost entirely due to its Shader Model 3.0 and high dynamic-range lighting performance."

3DMark03.. .Whopptie doo.... Sounds like your the fanboy now and it's got 16 Pipes vs the 24 Pipes on the 7800GTX.... :wink:


By the way, I own a nvidia card.
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