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x1800xt vs 7900gt Knockout!!

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March 31, 2006 3:22:55 AM

My system is as listed
Dfi lanparty nf4 ultra
amd+3700
Antec 500watt
Kingston HyperX 1gb pc 4000

My question is that the x1800xt is about $80 dollars cheaper that the 7900gt, and the clockspeeds R just about the same.
I've always been an ATI guru, but read the specs on the 7900 gt and was blown away,the bang for the buck. But I am willing to spend:D  Ill take performance over price anyday.

Does the x1800xt have sm3.0?
Does it perform the same as the 7900gt maybe even better?
what is the best bang for the buck?
Plz help out. I'm sorry for asking all these questions, I feel like a whore, but hey, In the end I will have learned from the best. :wink:
March 31, 2006 3:25:22 AM

Yes the X1800 has SM3 and yes it is faster and produces better graphics.
Also, virtually every one will easily clock to 690/1600MHz
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 3:30:48 AM

Personally I have a 7800GT, but if looking for a $300 PCI-e card now I'd go for the X1800XT 256MB for $290. The two cards (7900GT/X1800XT) trade blows, but if there is a winner, IMO it's the X1800XT. Both are good options if priced the same, but the price difference makes me feel it's an easy choice.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7900...
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March 31, 2006 2:16:13 PM

ASUS ATI AX1900XTX 512M PCI-E VIVO 725.94 CND
ASUS EN7900GT 256M PCI-E DUAL DVI 370.18 CND

For almost the same price you can get a sli 7900gt going and BEAT the shit out of a single 1900xtx...
March 31, 2006 2:41:22 PM

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For almost the same price you can get a sli 7900gt going and BEAT the **** out of a single 1900xtx...


I think he meant a single 7900 GT vs a single X1800 XT dude...


I'd choose a stock X1800 XT over a stock 7900 GT.
But for overclocking use, the 7900 GT looks much more attractive...
March 31, 2006 2:48:11 PM

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ASUS ATI AX1900XTX 512M PCI-E VIVO 725.94 CND
ASUS EN7900GT 256M PCI-E DUAL DVI 370.18 CND

For almost the same price you can get a sli 7900gt going and BEAT the **** out of a single 1900xtx...


Where can you buy a 7900GT that cheap? On newegg a 7900GT is $310US and you can get a X1900XTX for $490US.
March 31, 2006 2:50:35 PM

wELL I'M NOT SO SURE WHAT EXACTLY R THE SPECS for a x1800xt and a 7900gt, which of these cards will perform better, investment wise, the x1800xt is about $40 cheaper than the 7900gt, my guess is the 7900gt will spank the x1800xt. :roll:
Which do U think will perform better??
Any suggestions??
Im playing games like nfs most wanted, call of duty2 Bros in arms EIB.
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 4:01:57 PM

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ASUS ATI AX1900XTX 512M PCI-E VIVO 725.94 CND
ASUS EN7900GT 256M PCI-E DUAL DVI 370.18 CND

For almost the same price you can get a sli 7900gt going and BEAT the **** out of a single 1900xtx...

And exactly how does this fit into a discussion on whether a single 7900GT is worth $80 more than a X1800XT? :roll: Did you even read what this thread is about?


Not to get further off topic than you already dragged us, but, the cheapest dual 7900GT in the USA is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than a single X1900XTX. Let's check Newegg, hmmm back down to one 7900GT in stock and 10 out of stock, and the one is stock is $337 shipped, *2 = $674. While they have 17- X1900XTX's in stock starting at $488. Have a look for yourself. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=EN...

If you can't find one you like there are 14 XT's in stock also, starting at $430.

So they are not at all close to the same prices you said, they are not close to the same availability, and performance wise are you so sure its going to be a clean sweep??? Not to mention, knobody talked about dual cards, and I never even mentioned the X1900XT. So again, what were you trying to say besides "Go NV. Woot." :roll:
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 4:11:32 PM

Are you reading the benchmarks in our links? The Firing squad link I posted way up clearly shows a 7900GT doesn't spank the X1800XT. If there is a winner it's the X1800XT. Both are great cards; look at how they do in your games, decide which brand you desire to own, and pick one. You really can't go wrong with either. My $300 would go on the X1800XT.
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 4:29:49 PM

Ok, it seems looking back you may not have responding to me but just plugging 7900GT in SLI, and I was the last post. Maybe I jumped on ya for little to no reason. Dual 7900GT does perform very well for those who have the money and can find the cards in stock. I'd still think it's for the rare minority though, while a $430 X1900XT or $290 X1800XT are more realistic for most people.
March 31, 2006 4:31:49 PM

I'd go with the X1800XT, becuase it seems to be better suited for future games and today's shader heavy ones. Paul, those FS benchmarks were done with an X1800XT 512MB.
March 31, 2006 4:34:36 PM

They work for me...

But it puts you back on page one, you have to use the < or > button on bottom to toggle through article to get to the benchmarks...
sorry...

Here you go... ya gotta translate text yourselves with these links, but they take you to every benchmark page...

Here are some benchmarks showing the X1800XT at max resolutions and settings beating a 7800GTX 512MB...
Now ask yourself, does a 7900GT beat a 7800GTX 512MB card?

This one...



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This one...
March 31, 2006 4:40:58 PM

Why did you just repost those benchmarks? Did you think I didn't see them, or were they to back me up on my opinion that I would choose an X1800XT?
March 31, 2006 4:44:54 PM

Because I realized that they all put you back on page one, you have to use the < or > button on bottom to toggle through article to get to the benchmarks...
sorry if it bothered you... just did it for clarity...
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 4:49:03 PM

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I'd go with the X1800XT, becuase it seems to be better suited for future games and today's shader heavy ones. Paul, those FS benchmarks were done with an X1800XT 512MB.

I realize that and mentioned it in another thread when posting the link, but didn't mention it here. I have not seen any game besides COD2 showing a 512MB ram boost and otherwise the specs are the same. It's not like comparing 7800GTX 512MB/256MB where the clocks are different.
March 31, 2006 4:50:35 PM

Agreed, that X1800XT 256 is a sweet deal.
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 5:04:33 PM

And so is the 512MB MSI for $330. That's has dropped a ton over the past couple weeks.
March 31, 2006 5:17:06 PM

man ... all the benchmarks you've posted do not show an absolute lead of X1800xt ...in fact ..there is no lead at all ..7800 gtx 512mb win bf2 benchmark ...and nfs most wanted isn't a big deal in testing cards ...they should mention doom3 , quake 4 ...half-life lost cost ..where 7800gtx 512 takes the lead especially in opengl (doom and quake ) ..
March 31, 2006 5:24:13 PM

Yes, but that is an XT being compared against, not an XTX which is clocked higher than an XT...
And the 7800GTX 512MB is only marginally slower than the same performance as the fastest 7900GTX
March 31, 2006 5:26:25 PM

check out how 7800gtx 512mb jump pver x1800xt 512mb by 20% in half-life lost coast :

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

F.E.A.R ..7800GTX also wins by a far lead ...
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

in call of duty 2 ..the performance is near ..but still 7800gtx 512 is the top :
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

DOOM3 : of course this game is for 7800gtx with no doubt :
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

so X1800XT cann't destroy 7800GTX 512MB ...because 7800GTX 512MB takes the lead !!!
March 31, 2006 5:41:59 PM

any way here is a link of a benchmark shoing difference between 7900GT and X1800XL ...7900GT ofcourse took the lead ...but X1800XT would perform better ...
my opinion that won't be enought to out perform 7900GT.
March 31, 2006 5:42:44 PM

Those were old benchmarks done in early Dec... since then ATI has really increased the performance of video with drivers, and results are not that way today...

Not to mention, where was those 7800GTX 512MB cards evar? not available due to nVidia could not make them reliably... and what price? 8O $900 a card!!! :p 
March 31, 2006 6:20:53 PM

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they should mention doom3 , quake 4 ...half-life lost cost ..where 7800gtx 512 takes the lead especially in opengl (doom and quake ) ..


Agreed. OpenGL is not the preferred way of making games but as long as Carrmack decides to use it, PC games will keep coming in OpenGL. I would like to point out that Nvidia has an advantage to the way Id Software does their shadow rendering. GeForce 6xxx through current have double Z buffering. This allows their cards to handle the stencil shadows better then clock for clock like they have set up for colors. If they can handle 24 pixel per clock, then they can handle 48 pixels per clock in Z. So when you see an ATI card come close but just behind the Nvidia card in Doom 3 or Quake 4, you can thank Nvidia for their architecture to render the stencil shadows.
March 31, 2006 6:43:20 PM

Well both 1800 and 1900 are superb quality cards, but check this, what today games run on a full 512mb on a card>>?? Call of duty 2 requires 256mb of ram on the gpu, I will purchase the x1800xt 256mb, but I know that there is a 512mb version but will that really benefiet me and my gaming? I really want power but not going to spend $500-$600 on a stupid card that will last for about 6months then there will be another "fastest card in the world" type of phrase. The x1800 xt will do me good, but perhaps a 512mb version will be better than I will expect.
March 31, 2006 6:48:10 PM

The X1800XT 256MB version is $290
The X1800XT 512MB version is $330
The X1900XT 512MB version is $430
and Not $500 to $600 as you stated...
March 31, 2006 6:49:21 PM

I have no issue with that. I was only pointing out that Nvidia shows faster results in those Id Software titles because of their double z buffer per clock.

People should buy video cards based on what they want to play. If you play Counter-Strike at 800x600 or 1024x768 then a super fast 512MB graphics card is not for them. If you want to play Elder Scrolls: Oblivion with all of the features turned on and on a 30" Dell or Apple display, you need a $2,000 set of graphics cards. One choice is not better than the other per se... just different purchasing decisions based on different needs as you have pointed out.
March 31, 2006 8:28:32 PM

Soundz like o hell of a bargain, If U can tell me where to getr a x1800xt 512mb, I'm all ears, so far, cheking around the internet,a x1800xt 512mb ver. is nowhere near $330 :? But if there is a significant performance difference between the 256mb and the 512mb ver of the x1800xt, yes I am willing to buy the 512mb vers.
besides the 512mb version will last me many years to come :wink:
March 31, 2006 10:56:00 PM

Also the 7800GTX 512MB has a 54 Gb/s mem bandwidth versus the 7800GTX 256MB which has a 38 Gb/s mem bandwidth.

I would recommend the X1800XT at $290, awesome deal. With the games I play, which include many of the newer ones, its a good grab.
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 11:25:12 PM

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o srry my bad, its the superclock one.

It's also the INQ. :wink:
March 31, 2006 11:25:47 PM

lol. why, what's bad about the inq?
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2006 11:49:50 PM

Well, I like the INQ a lot, but their results won't sway me over Firingsquad and Digitlife combined. They aren't exactly a review site nor have the best accuracy/trust rating. Firing squad the X1800XT wins, and Digitlife the X1800XT beats a 459/1300 7800GTX (vs 450/1310 for 7900GT) in every max playable game except Riddick. http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index0511....

But it's also good to consider that drivers will change the results, so who is not to say the 7900GT's latest drivers helped it catch up.
April 1, 2006 12:47:14 AM

im not sayin that the x1800xt is a bad card, its just that there must be a reason ati swayed from it for so long. and plus, the 7800gtx is only like 3-6 fps from the x1800xt, and the 7900gt provides that push. im no fanboy, but 7900gt is wat u call a consumer friendly card; 1 slot cooling, more efficient, and bang for the buck. all that a person needs in a mid range gaming rig
April 1, 2006 12:49:47 AM

wow i just turned newbie rank, that'll sure help my rep in here :) 
April 1, 2006 12:52:00 AM

i will question Digitlife's bias... if every review i have read has the x1800xt come out equal to the 7900GT. The only way we can really see who the superior is, is to wait for the optimized drivers for the 7600/7900 series cards. X1800XT has had supported drivers for a while now, 7900 doesn't. So buy whichever you like better, there basically equal.

For my money i like the 7900GT great overclocker w/o drivers(above), single slot cooling, smaller than x1800xt, uses less power which means less heat. Just my opinion.
April 1, 2006 12:52:15 AM

No, you have to paypal me $30 for that to happen...
April 1, 2006 1:01:48 AM

lol
i wish richpls would paypal me his system. im still stuck on a 2.66 northwood with fx5500 pci
April 1, 2006 3:22:22 AM

Well, I can tell you that a oc'ed 7900 GT beats a 1800XT by a very small margin. Both are great cards. The 1800 XT 512 mb is a better choice and is cheap at newegg. The 7900 Gt is a better overclocker by far, I have mine clocked at 580MHZ core (from 450) and 1600MHZ memory (from 1320). Mine is probably neck and neck with any 1800 XT because of the OC. With a little voltage increase you can get the 7900 GT to insane speeds. cheeck this out.... http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3437&s=2, and thats on air cooling. I have a zalman vf700 on mine but i have no idea how to volt mod. I plan on getting a 1900 XT to. I don't know about the 1900 Xt overclockability though, from what ive seen the 1900 xts arn't that good at overclocking.
April 1, 2006 5:02:05 AM

Well from what i hear, you cant overclock it not even a notch, it just so happens that my bro just bought one 2 days ago and overclocked it 755/1.92) I was amazed on how much he had overclocked it! And this is with just the stock cooler!! temps read 45c idle 68c on full load, talk about a major OC!! I'm very jelous, i'm planning on purchasing a x1800xt512mb edition soon, with some luck :roll: only problem is that my parents see in no need to uprage my radeon 9800pro :wink: but I got all my other parts in my closet hidden from their view.
I wonder if my bro had a watercooling kit, how much more can he oc his x1900xt?? just curious 8O
April 1, 2006 10:15:28 AM

Wow, thats strange. Every review site i've seen the 1900xt not being to oc a lot. But Im still going for one though, hopefully I get lucky.
April 8, 2006 1:39:24 AM

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check out how 7800gtx 512mb jump pver x1800xt 512mb by 20% in half-life lost coast :

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

F.E.A.R ..7800GTX also wins by a far lead ...
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

in call of duty 2 ..the performance is near ..but still 7800gtx 512 is the top :
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

DOOM3 : of course this game is for 7800gtx with no doubt :
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=h2k5512&...

so X1800XT cann't destroy 7800GTX 512MB ...because 7800GTX 512MB takes the lead !!!






Gamepc ?? LOL, yeaaaah ooookay. Let's stick with the real sites, like guru3d, tomshardware, firingsquad.

The x1800xt is way ahead in my opinion because it outperforms the 7800gtx and 7900gt by as much as 30% in games like Fear and call of duty 2 - And it kills these cards in the newest benches from Oblivion, which In my opinion, is "THE" benchmark currently and one of the best games ever created by far. Oblivion performance can now be the sole determiner of the true winner, because it's the only current game that brings even the newest cards to their knees easily. The x1800xt even beats the 7900gtx in some instances , OUCH.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_p...

WINNER: x1800xt ,hands down.
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