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March 31, 2006 6:16:51 PM

I'm helping a friend build a desktop PC from scratch, in Canada. (All the prices listed are in $CAN, which is always about 1.17 times higher than $US)

This PC has to be a very good gaming desktop, but as cheap as possible :p  (no crazy X1900XTX, nothing absolutely neccesary), and the only parts that might be upgraded in the future would be RAM, Video Card and HD.

Here are the parts I have selected on NCIX.com:

ANTEC SLK3000B ATX MID TOWER CASE : 65$
OCZ PowerStream 520W : $160
(+ 1 x FREE OCZ Ultra 5+ Premium Silver Thermal Compound 3 Gram Tube 8) )
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Processor S939 : $276
Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 Motherboard ATX S939 : $105
XFX GeForce 7900 GT Extreme 520MHZ : $379 (awch! ...but worth it!)
1Gb 2x512MB PC3200 DualChannel Kingston Value RAM : $104
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 160GB SATA 7200RPM 8MB : $97
LITEON Black 16X DVD-ROM : $26
LG GSA-4167B 16X DVD+-RW 16X Dual Layer : $56
SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5IN FLOPPY DRIVE : $9
Samsung SyncMaster 997MB Dynaflat 19IN : $244
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 Keyboard & Mouse : $51
LOGITECH Z-2300 SPEAKER SYSTEM : $133
LEXMARK Z615 COLOUR INKJET PRINTER : $50
Windows XP Home Edition : $96

Subtotal: $1853 (roughly 1550$US)


Personnal comments:

- I would really prefer the Viewsonic Graphics G90FB , since it is rated the best existing 19" CRT monitor, however it is not available. Tigerdirect.com doesn't have ANY CRT monitor, and Sohodiffusion.com neither. I do own the Samsung monitor I'm suggesting, though, and it's a decent monitor, though not excellent. Forget about LCDs because they suck for video gaming. They have a native resolution, latency, and are more expensive. Three good reasons to stick with CRTs as long as they will remain on the stupid market.

- Yes, the processor is not that good but nowadays it's the video card that bottleneck most pcs. I'm still wondering if an Athlon X2 is THAT much better.

- The case and power supply represent a 225$ investement, which is a bit ludicrous in my opinion. However, having read about how much power modern video cards need, maybe I'm just got paranoid or something.

- I haven't read any official reviews about the printer, but it's cheap and users seemed satisfied with it.

- Windows XP Home Edition, yes. Why spend 70$ on services you won't ever use?
March 31, 2006 6:42:42 PM

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Wow, if you have around 2k I think my system is the best for the money AND it's for games (one of the best video cards, offset w/a lower cpu)

check it out here..

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Feedback-newly-...
Together, the video card and processor you choose represent 1200-1400$ here, while I'm looking for something around 600-700$ (half the price!) Your system seems like one of the best money can buy, but certainly not the best price/performance wise, at least not in Canada and in the price range I am looking at.
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March 31, 2006 7:01:27 PM

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but certainly not the best price/performance wise, at least not in Canada


I do not concur. It is the best price/performance, you just have to have available to you that amount... I understand if you do not but if you do then it IS the best/performance wise... =)
March 31, 2006 7:21:24 PM

the system you want looks good. I like that not everyone has the "lcd is da bomb, crt is dead" bug... anyway...

I would drop the maxtor drive, get a WD for same price that is more reliable. try for 16 meg cache too if can afford it. (i've just had a few bad experiences w/ maxtor)

If you can find a low end Asus/dfi/msi mobo w/ nforce4 I would take that over a gigabyte. I have a gigabyte in a secondary system and it is not bad, I just prefer better qual of the above. Remember: the mobo is the foundation for everything... last to be upgraded and must handle all other upgrades. spend $ there if you can.

video card is good for $ you have. but you can get an oem x1900xt for near that price and that is the better card. your choice though.

dual core proc is better if you multitask and in future apps, not in current games IMO... that 3700 can smoke my 4200 in most current/older games.

Try the antec sonatta 2 for case/ps combo. I have it and is incredible. much cheaper too. (still has antec 450 ps so not generic and more than enough for what you have w/o sli)
March 31, 2006 7:44:19 PM

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I would drop the maxtor drive, get a WD for same price that is more reliable. try for 16 meg cache too if can afford it. (i've just had a few bad experiences w/ maxtor)

If you can find a low end Asus/dfi/msi mobo w/ nforce4 I would take that over a gigabyte. I have a gigabyte in a secondary system and it is not bad, I just prefer better qual of the above. Remember: the mobo is the foundation for everything... last to be upgraded and must handle all other upgrades. spend $ there if you can.
I actually found a Asus mobo that was even cheaper: ASUS A8N-VM mATX S939 : $87.
And I could invest the extra money into this Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB : 124$.

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video card is good for $ you have. but you can get an oem x1900xt for near that price and that is the better card. your choice though.
Actually, the cheapest X1900XT I ever found on the canadian market was 580$, which is still 200$ above the 7900GT.

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dual core proc is better if you multitask and in future apps, not in current games IMO... that 3700 can smoke my 4200 in most current/older games.

Try the antec sonatta 2 for case/ps combo. I have it and is incredible. much cheaper too. (still has antec 450 ps so not generic and more than enough for what you have w/o sli)
You mean this? Yes, that would be a much better idea if the power supply is good enough.
March 31, 2006 7:57:34 PM

im too lazy to find canadian prices, but the parts should give u and idea:

Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3160812AS 160GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer ***Free Shipping*** $81.00
OCZ PowerStream OCZ520ADJSLI ATX, BTX, EPS12V 520W Power Supply 100~120Vac / 200~240Vac 10/6a - Retail $139.99
MSI K8N Diamond Plus nForce4 SLI Opteron/Athlon 64(FX)/64 X2 Dual-Core Skt939 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Dual Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail ***Free Shipping***$199.99
PNY Verto GeForce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit DDR3, PCI-E x16, SLI, DVI / DVI / HDTV $300.00
Corsair TWINX2048-3200 2GB DDR400 XMS3200 Memory w/Black Heat Spreader Retail ***Free Shipping*** $175.00
Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ 19in Multiscanning LCD Monitor Retail ***Free Shipping*** $299.99
AMD Opteron 165 Dual-Core 1.8GHz Processor Retail ***Free Shipping*** $325.50
LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner W/ 5X DVD-RAM Write Black ATAPI/E-IDE Model SHM-165P6S RTL - Retail $39.99
Gigabyte GZ-FSCA1-ANB Aluminum Full Tower Case (Black) Retailw/o Power Supply $139.00
SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model MPF920 Black - OEM $9.99
LG Electronics GSA-4167BI 16X DVD+/-RW Drive w/ Software (Beige) $43.77____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Subtotal= $1714.23
March 31, 2006 8:00:19 PM

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Actually, the cheapest X1900XT I ever found on the canadian market was 580$, which is still 200$ above the 7900GT.


ouch, that IS alot more than here in the us... ya, get the GT.

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You mean this? Yes, that would be a much better idea if the power supply is good enough.


yup, I love the case... ps handles my 4200, x1900 and all else w/ no issues. rockin' the house. Case looks very nice too... glossy black that pics do no justice to, very front is glossy and matte combo. very swank. Antec makes good cases and great ps's

oh! and I think that particular Asus is actually a bit lesser of a mobo than the gigabyte in terms of expansion slots. I like the fanless cooling on it but the gigabyte has more... I was thinking of an Asus more inline w/ the gigabyte which will most certainly cost a few bucks more than the gigabyte. If higher Asus blows your budget then stick w/ the gigabyte.
March 31, 2006 8:42:38 PM

Since you live in Canada, don't forget to check out www.canadacomputers.com

Change the Maxtor for a Western Digital.

As for Gigabyte motherboards, I've never had a problem with them, and that particular Asus one is not a great choice. If you are planning to overclock, I'd look into a DFI. Otherwise, that Gigabyte should do you fine.

Everything else looks solid.
March 31, 2006 9:00:32 PM

nice setup

where did you find a 7900GT for so cheap?

which vendor are you using in canada?

thanks
March 31, 2006 9:42:07 PM

IMO you can do better on the MB and save a few $$. I bought at Asus A8N5X for approx $81USD = approx $95CA. I tend to think it is the better MB. Nforce controler, X2 support, etc...and Asus :lol: 
March 31, 2006 10:23:05 PM

Drop the dvd-rom and floppy and get a good hsf for the cpu or vid card. I agree go for 2 gigs if you can and maxtor sucks sh*t. I have stack of 3 dead ones to prove it.
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