I've decided to build a new computer in may or june, the problem is that I don't know what type of system I will use. Recently I read the THGC CPU Buyers' Guide, but it didn't mention the future processors or the new technology, maybe someone else could give me som advice.
The computer will be used for 3D rendering, solving equations and other mathematical problems, games (like Quake4, FEAR etc.) and probably video and audio editing. Price: less than 1900$
What CPU should i use (Dual Core seems to be a good choice)? AMD FX, Intel Pentium D, or Intel "Conroe" (when will it arrive?)
What motherboard should i use, chipset? nForce4 or 955X, 975X
Will there be any possibility to upgrade from a Pentium D to a Conroe processor on 955X/975X chipset?
1. When do you need this computer? If you need it now, the Athlon 64 X2s are much better at number-crunching than the Pentium Ds. Ditto for games. Pentium Ds are roughly equal or a bit better for encoding video.
If you don't need it now, then wait until AM2 and Conroe chips come out and then decide.
2. What do you need from a motherboard? Look at the ones that vendors like Newegg and Zipzoomfly are selling. Any board that fits and supports your chosen CPU and has the features you want should be fine. I personally like Abit boards, but Asus, Intel, and others make a good board too. Pick the chipset that fits the CPU- NF4 is a good AMD chipset, the 945/955/975 is good for Intel. I have not used any of the other combinations of CPUs and chipsets like NF4 Intel Edition, any ATI stuff.
You will likely not be able to put a Conroe on a *current* 975X board and there is NO way it can go on a 955X board.
Here's the thing. MMM doesn't give a cra.. about cheap anything. If conroe proves itself to be the performance leader, MMM will become a conroe fanboy faster than jackrabbits mate.
I'll wait for the reviews on Vista, and 64 bit linux before I jump.
If it wasn't for AMD, Intel would still be selling 80386DX-33 CPUs for $2000 each. The truth is Intel and AMD need each other to some degree, although they may never admit it.
The more I read your post, the more I like it.... this is too true for many a reason; if not for AMD, who else??? In the server side, you could have Sun but they cannot manufacture in volume. IBM??? Most likely, but oddly the inventor of the PC (x86 not apple), won't work x86 nor do they even make PCs anymore. I have a hard time figuring out IBM. Cyrix??? nope, Transmeta? nope... who then??? Nobody. Intel needs AMD in order to be pressured to evolve. AMD needs Intel in order to have a goal to shoot for.
You constructed well made statement that sums it up very nicely.
Cyrix no longer exists, it was sold to VIA by National Semiconductor.
The Cyrix MediaGX design was sold to AMD in 2003 as the Geode family.
There are not a lot of companies left that are capable of designing and producing CPUs.
Yep, not a lot people out there making x86 CPUs.... which begs a question, what if AMD does reach a point of going belly up? (I am not arguing that they will, just speculating)....let's assume Conroe/Core and 45 nm puts the nail in an AMD coffin.... what would happen?
This is a very, very dangerous situation, one that I do not think FTC, EU, or Asia would allow to happen. I personally would think that regulation (price regulation) may be in order to prevent this from happening. It would not bode well for the market at all ....
Both players are required to maintain market equilibrium or some semblance thereof.
I have to reiterate this however... if the 65nm 2.66GHz Conroe can in fact beat the 90nm FX-60 at 2.6GHz by say 10% or even 20% then Intel may be the one in trouble.
Once AMD migrates to 65nm they are likely to get a 40% boost -- maybe even more which would make things very interesting.
Of course we all need to stop speculating and just wait for production hardware to hit the market.
Okie dokie, we will take that one as a no problems then .... one thing, though, if you guys think that 65 nm is going to drive the transistor delay to better than 40 % improvement with no increase in leakage, then could you please explain to me how that would work?
As you know, Intel had problems with leakage on 65nm that didnt allow them to scale speeds as much as they had hoped.
Intels 45nm is looking good however, not every company has problems with the same die shrink. Apart from anything else AMDs SoI tehniques have much better leakage characteristics than Inels processes.
SoI has certain patents on it that have Intel afraid to use it, which I think is a shame as I'd love more competition
Right now, I dont see Intel as able to compete with AMD on the *desktop* market. However I'd be the first to admit AMD suck in terms of mobile CPUs atm, but I have no need of a Laptop.
If Conroe turns out to be as good as claimed and there is no competing product from AMD I'll be one of the first to place and order; But I just dont believe Benchmarks done by Intel that show Intel in the lead, just as I dont believe AMD benchmarks that show them in the lead or nVidia/ATI benchmarks etc