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April 3, 2006 6:24:54 PM

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All of these parts are from newegg, I'm not planning on spending much more then $2000.00. I was planning on making it SLI capable and possibly go SLI when prices come down alittle.

Heres what I got so far!

Case / Power Supply:
Antec Performance I P180 Silver 0.8mm cold rolled steel for durability through the majority of chassis, 1.0mm cold rolled steel around the 4x HDD area ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: P180
Item #: N82E16811129154

ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: ELT620AWT
Item #: N82E16817194004

Motherboard:
DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: LP[UT]nF4 SLI-DR Exp
Item #: N82E16813136166

Graphics:
BFG Tech BFGR79512GTXOCE Geforce 7900GTX 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Model #: BFGR79512GTXOCE
Item #: N82E16814143047

Processor:
Update AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 1GHz HT Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4600BVBOX - Retail
Model #: ADA4600BVBOX
Item #: N82E16819103545

Ram:
mushkin High-Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model 991434 - Retail
Model #: 991434
Item #: N82E16820146425

Storage:
Western Digital Raptor WD360GD 36.7GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD360GD
Item #: N82E16822144200

Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JB 200GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2000JB
Item #: N82E16822144129

Subtotal: $1,991.97

I'm also thinking about getting a LCD monitor and a headset but really don't have a clue about them so if someone has some suggestions for a gaming LCD or headset let me know. Thanks for any help!


1. - EVGA 7900GTX
2. - Get 74gb Raptors in RAID0, 150gb's are a waste, don't even consider them.
3. - Don't get the Mushkin 2gb RAM. Get OCZ low latency.
4. - Either get an Opteron 170, an X2 4400 or 4800. The cache will go a long way, and Toledo > Manchester for overclocking.
5. - I never recommend DFI boards after 4 Ultra-D's fail on me, but that should serve you well.
April 3, 2006 6:28:50 PM

Go for an opteron twice the cache and are very over clockable, otherwise the setup is great.
April 3, 2006 7:01:39 PM

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Do you already have a DVD-ROM drive too? There are some other things that you might not have and are easily overlooked.


I wasn't aware that a DVD-ROM drive is easily overclocked. Could you please tell me how to do that?

He said OVERLOOKED, not OVERCLOCKED

:oops: 

OKAY. Geez; I have terrible eyesight, and I read something wrong. Is that a problem, noob?
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April 3, 2006 7:14:41 PM

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Do you already have a DVD-ROM drive too? There are some other things that you might not have and are easily overlooked.


I wasn't aware that a DVD-ROM drive is easily overclocked. Could you please tell me how to do that?

He said OVERLOOKED, not OVERCLOCKED

:oops: 

OKAY. Geez; I have terrible eyesight, and I read something wrong. Is that a problem, noob?

lawlz, i overclocked my liteon to 6ghz are liquid c00ling, dvdZ burn in like, 7 sec roffle
April 3, 2006 7:22:06 PM

My burner runs at 256X DVD-R and 100X DVD-RAM lol. I need big cooling to make sure it doesn't produce a nuclear meltdown.
April 3, 2006 8:26:34 PM

dude corsair is shit memory ask any heavy overclocker and theyll tell u corsair is terrible. although the performance isnt bad. i still hate it. the x1900 is very comparable to the 7900gtx maybe little difference. and let me tell you sli is a waste its better to have 1 extreme good card compared to 2. thats why i either would get a 7900gtx or x1900xt or xtx. not a big difference in the 2.
April 3, 2006 8:27:08 PM

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lemme tell u dont get the 7900 please dont the x1900 series tend to oc much better. u wont regret it. 2nd get an opty cpu for the dfi . 3rd never get corsair memory. ocz or crucial ballistix

Are you kidding me Corsair memory is some of the best you can get.

i shit all over corsair memory
April 3, 2006 9:20:57 PM

who even says that he wants to do some heavy overclocking.And kais you have no idea what you are talking about i dont know that much about mem but even i know Corsair is some of the best performing mem out there.And i have seen some diff in performance in tests between the 7900 and the x1900 the x1900 deffinetly out performes it.not to metion i believe the x1900xtx is cheaper. i think?
April 3, 2006 11:14:43 PM

The 1900 XTX may be on par with the 7900 GTX, but for price for performance, the 7900 GT is undoubtedly the king (around $320 I believe compared to the XT's $450+ price tag). Also is you want to go with SLI grab the A8N32-SLI motherboard by Asus. It has two PCI-e slots running at full 16x mode instead of a normal SLI board's 16x for a single card or 8x for a dual card solution.

*Edit* Why must there be memory fanboys too? You're all just rooting for the memory you use anyway. I think it has something to do with your egos, so you can assure yourself that you truly do have the best.
April 4, 2006 12:16:21 AM

I'm telling you, Gangle, don't skimp on the PSU... you're setting yourself up for failure if you go with SLI or Crossfire.

Overclocking is up to you, and if you don't want to, go with the X2. But if you're willing to do it, and it isn't anywhere near as scary as most people think, you can reap the benefits and save some cash (which can also go into more or better components). Opterons RULE overclocking.

As for memory, my trusty Corsair XMS DDR-400 is doing just fine, even added another gig a few months ago, same stuff. It may not be oc'ing material, but it does keep up with the cpu.

If you want some damn good gpu's, and not a lot of cash to spend, the 7900GT's are for you. The 7800GT's were incredible in SLI, and priced extremely well... take a look at some benchmarks, then make a choice. EVGA seems to be the way to go for nVidia gpu's.

My system, which I christened "Faster Than A Speeding Mullet":

AMD Opteron 170 stock 2Ghz/ @2.9Ghz watercooling (replaced FX-53)
XFX 7800GTX/ SLI (505/1350), 13,700+ on 3DMark05
Corsair XMS 512Mb X4
WD Raptors 36Gb X2
SB Audigy2 Platinum
ASUS A8N32SLI mobo
PC Power and Cooling 1KW PSU
Swiftech APEX Ultra H220 Watercooling (it ain't rocket science, just patience...)(and asking questions...)
YY Cube server case (even fits the radiator and pump for w/c...)
Samsung 17" 8ms
Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 speakers
Razer Diamondback mouse 1600dpi
Saitek gaming keyboard

PDH-NicFury

PS: I'm not saying you have to get a $450 PSU like mine if you go SLI, but take a look at reviews for 600+ watt PSU's and their prices. Life sucks when your PC takes a dive...
April 4, 2006 12:35:20 AM

Not to diss your build at all, but it would certainly be a good idea to go OCZ for RAM. DFI does not recommend Corsair for any of its boards, rather, OCZ, Mushkin and Crucial is what works best on them.
If you SLi, I would highly recommend an OCZ Powerstream 520w. 7900gt's take up marginally less power than the 7800 series, thus 520w would be enough.

Also, consider purchasing a single 7900gt and volt modding for 800mhz
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April 4, 2006 12:41:30 AM

Oh, and by the way...if you get an Opteron, get the 170 instead of the 165.
April 4, 2006 1:28:51 AM

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I'm telling you, Gangle, don't skimp on the PSU... you're setting yourself up for failure if you go with SLI or Crossfire.

Overclocking is up to you, and if you don't want to, go with the X2. But if you're willing to do it, and it isn't anywhere near as scary as most people think, you can reap the benefits and save some cash (which can also go into more or better components). Opterons RULE overclocking.

As for memory, my trusty Corsair XMS DDR-400 is doing just fine, even added another gig a few months ago, same stuff. It may not be oc'ing material, but it does keep up with the cpu.

If you want some damn good gpu's, and not a lot of cash to spend, the 7900GT's are for you. The 7800GT's were incredible in SLI, and priced extremely well... take a look at some benchmarks, then make a choice. EVGA seems to be the way to go for nVidia gpu's.

My system, which I christened "Faster Than A Speeding Mullet":

AMD Opteron 170 stock 2Ghz/ @2.9Ghz watercooling (replaced FX-53)
XFX 7800GTX/ SLI (505/1350), 13,700+ on 3DMark05
Corsair XMS 512Mb X4
WD Raptors 36Gb X2
SB Audigy2 Platinum
ASUS A8N32SLI mobo
PC Power and Cooling 1KW PSU
Swiftech APEX Ultra H220 Watercooling (it ain't rocket science, just patience...)(and asking questions...)
YY Cube server case (even fits the radiator and pump for w/c...)
Samsung 17" 8ms
Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 speakers
Razer Diamondback mouse 1600dpi
Saitek gaming keyboard

PDH-NicFury

PS: I'm not saying you have to get a $450 PSU like mine if you go SLI, but take a look at reviews for 600+ watt PSU's and their prices. Life sucks when your PC takes a dive...

Man a kilowatt of power what are you running the house with that thing too.
April 4, 2006 2:32:24 AM

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I'm not saying you have to get a $450 PSU like mine if you go SLI, but take a look at reviews for 600+ watt PSU's and their prices. Life sucks when your PC takes a dive...


Let me get this straight - you had one power supply fail on you in the lifetime of your computer, and you spent a ridiculous amount of money on a 1KW power supply when a sub-$100 model would have done the exact same thing, and now you're pushing the same philosophy on everyone else. Granted, your system pulls a lot of power, but you're being overly pessimistic about your power requirements. A plain old Antec, OCZ, or perhaps a nice Silverstone would be perfect for hs needs.

You go on buring your house down with yours, and the rest of us will keep our power bills to the minimum.
April 4, 2006 3:03:35 AM

Hear, Hear. I mean, man, thats just a bit of over kill. You could easily support 2 dual core processors, 5 SATA HDDs, Quad SLi, and anything else that you could POSSIBLY fit in your case. I mean, man, that could power my entire room, or this side of my HOUSE.

DDay
April 4, 2006 3:05:41 AM

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The 1900 XTX may be on par with the 7900 GTX, but for price for performance, the 7900 GT is undoubtedly the king (around $320 I believe compared to the XT's $450+ price tag). Also is you want to go with SLI grab the A8N32-SLI motherboard by Asus. It has two PCI-e slots running at full 16x mode instead of a normal SLI board's 16x for a single card or 8x for a dual card solution.

*Edit* Why must there be memory fanboys too? You're all just rooting for the memory you use anyway. I think it has something to do with your egos, so you can assure yourself that you truly do have the best.


Doesn't the DFI that I have listed offer two PCI-E slots at 16x also?
April 4, 2006 3:44:23 AM

yes but unfortunatly it runs at 8x when in sli mode.
April 4, 2006 3:47:39 AM

I don't believe that is true. You just have to change some jumper settings, which is quite easy to do.

DDay
April 4, 2006 3:43:39 PM

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I don't believe that is true. You just have to change some jumper settings, which is quite easy to do.

DDay

but i was talking about out of the box you will proberbly be able to do that but alot of sli mobos can only do 8x when in sli.
April 4, 2006 6:15:36 PM

Right now there isn't even a benefit to using SLIx16.

And I don't think you can change nForce4 SLI to the x16 version - it's the chipset that determines the speed of the slots, and there's no way to up that without getting a new motherboard - which would be redundance at its finest after buying a DFI like that.
April 4, 2006 8:14:03 PM

No, I really don't believe that this is true. I seem to remember something while reading a review on neoseeker about this specific board. Yes, there isn't much benefit NOW, but in a few years, I can practically bet you there will be.

DDay

P.S. Oh, I highly recommend you guys read that review.


EDIT: GAH, wrong link. Sry. Who knows, mabye I have the two of these boards completely mixed up also, let me know, as I'm thinking of getting this one:
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April 4, 2006 8:25:07 PM

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No, I really don't believe that this is true. I seem to remember something while reading a review on neoseeker about this specific board.


That board doesn't have an SLI chipset. It's just a regular nForce4, but with 2 PCI-E slots. It can be modded to support SLI, but it doesn't support any form of it out of the box. This board would be suitable for running two video cards (not in SLI mode), or a video card and a PCI-E SCSI RAID controller... :lol: 
April 4, 2006 11:44:10 PM

Oh yeah, now I remember. I was contemplating the possibility of hacking a SLi bridge on the non SLi motherboard, which has been done.

:D 

Sry for the confusion.

DDay
April 5, 2006 4:22:10 AM

Quite alright, old thing.

Although I have to admit it's weird...I mean, the DFI label is obviously targeted at gamers, and gamers have little use for a SCSI card/drive (unless you're excruciatingly rich, in which case a Raptor or three would be more suitable). So why wouldn't they take the extra step and give that an nForce4 SLi chipset, then take out the next model up? Seems like a waste of a board to me...but who am I to argue with the manufacturer? It's a damn good board.
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