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Anonymous
May 27, 2004 8:34:52 PM

Archived from groups: comp.dcom.voice-over-ip (More info?)

Hello!

[Situation]

I am working for a small company (about 15 employees).
We take calls for sales and technical supports.
We have an old PBX with minimal basic functions (transfer, hold, 3
person talk, etc.).
Our president is considering changing our phone system into VoIP +
VoIP PBX.

[Questions]

1. Is VoIP mature(stable) enough now?

I visited artisoft.com and found the following article which is
negative about VoIP.
Src: http://www.artisoft.com/pdf/SoftwarePBXWP.pdf

<snip>
Internet Protocol (IP) PBXs
As Voice-Over-IP technologies improved, several vendors introduced IP
PBX products that managed all
communications over a business IP network. Because IP standards were
still evolving, each vendor interpreted
them differently or ignored them completely, creating telephones and
routers that were incompatible
with those of competing vendors. This resulted in proprietary and
sometimes very expensive telephones,
routers and hubs. In addition, the vendors provided only very basic
application sets and their proprietary
architectures provided little incentive for 3rd-party developers to
create add-on applications. Essentially,
the IP PBX merely replicated the limited features and high cost of
ownership of traditional proprietary
PBXs within a data-centric environment.
</snip>

2. Do we keep the current phone number after changing into VoIP?

I have no idea how the IP phone is assigned a phone number.

3. Is it easy to maintain the VoIP system?

Our current phone system causes no trouble.
I fear that VoIP system may give lots of pains.
What can we do if the Internet is down?

4. Can we use the current old PBX with VoIP?

If VoIP-PBX is not good or is not worth going for, we might keep the
current PBX and just go for VoIP.

5. Which vendor is worth checking out and how much will it cost?

6. How much money can we save with VoIP and what benefit else can we
get?


I would appreciate any help.

Sam
Anonymous
May 28, 2004 1:15:49 PM

Archived from groups: comp.dcom.voice-over-ip (More info?)

"Sam Kong" <ssk@chol.net> wrote in message
news:f0667546.0405271534.600e5aa1@posting.google.com...
> Hello!
>
> [Situation]
>
> I am working for a small company (about 15 employees).
> We take calls for sales and technical supports.
> We have an old PBX with minimal basic functions (transfer, hold, 3
> person talk, etc.).
> Our president is considering changing our phone system into VoIP +
> VoIP PBX.
>
> [Questions]
>
> 1. Is VoIP mature(stable) enough now?
>

Well, back in 2001 one of the customers of the company I worked for then
thought so, they implemented a nation wide VoIP backbone network with
6,500 Cisco AS5300's.

Question is, stable enough to do what ??

>
> 2. Do we keep the current phone number after changing into VoIP?
>

What do you have in mind?

Skip TDM and go for VoIP only or keep TDM and supplement with VoIP?

Here's (not a complete) list of VoIP providers..
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-VOIP+Service+Providers

>
> 3. Is it easy to maintain the VoIP system?
>

A VoIP system is no different than a traditional PBX, and regarding the
internet connection I would recommend getting one with a SLA and QoS
agreement.

>
> 4. Can we use the current old PBX with VoIP?
>

Yes, there is no problem interconnecting the two. I have done that on a
Nortel M1 using E&M ports and a Cisco 2600 in a Call Manager network.

>
> 5. Which vendor is worth checking out and how much will it cost?
>

Cisco, Lucent etc.... But they will cost you "real money"..

www.asterisk.org is an Open-Source IP PBX and will cost you nothing but
a PC and a couple of linecards pending your configuration.
I guess the cost savings compared to a "Brand Name" could cover 1
full-time technician for up to 6 months... ;-)

I use Asterisk at home and I've spend around USD 500 on it. In
comparison a Cisco Call Manager with the same features and "size" is
around USD 50K.

Anyway, there are heaps of information regarding Asterisk here:
http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk

These companies will sell you a complete system (TurnKey) based on
Asterisk:
http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+s...

If you want a DIY solution, here is a list of consultants that will help
you for a fee...
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+consultants

>
> 6. How much money can we save with VoIP and what benefit else can we
> get?
>

Good question, check with interconnect partners like Nufone, VoicePulse
and others what their termination charges are and compare to your phone
bills...

With respect to benefits... wooa... It's a whole new world... ACD, IVR,
Agent Queues, VoiceMail Conferencing etc....

>
> I would appreciate any help.
>
> Sam

-- Soren
May 28, 2004 4:57:56 PM

Archived from groups: comp.dcom.voice-over-ip (More info?)

A good VoIP PBX (or Key System) will always cost more. It can be stable but
this is highly dependent on implementation. If the seller does not have many
years in both voice and data expect trouble. What's you network like? Do you
have a QoS capable switch? Think about what you want it to do.
Voice mail-yes
Unified messaging-?
Conference calls-yes
IP trunks-?
PSTN trunks-probably
Fax routing (in and out)-?
ACD (Automated Call Distribution)-probably
A good system (sticking to major names) that can do all this and both VoIP
and legacy is the Nortel BCM. I might be biases because we sell them, but we
did look into many others when we were choosing a small/medium business VoIP
system. Even got completely certified on the Cisco and had a 3Com on-site
for over a month (what a piece of garbage).

Number one thing, don't go VoIP just because it is the in thing.
--
Randall Cohen
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alternative Communication Systems, Inc.
www.acsvoicedata.com
Email: rcohen_at_acsvoicedata_dot_com.no-spam

The only thing I guaranty about my free advice is that it's mine and it's
free.


"Sam Kong" <ssk@chol.net> wrote in message
news:f0667546.0405271534.600e5aa1@posting.google.com...
> Hello!
>
> [Situation]
>
> I am working for a small company (about 15 employees).
> We take calls for sales and technical supports.
> We have an old PBX with minimal basic functions (transfer, hold, 3
> person talk, etc.).
> Our president is considering changing our phone system into VoIP +
> VoIP PBX.
>
> [Questions]
>
> 1. Is VoIP mature(stable) enough now?
>
> I visited artisoft.com and found the following article which is
> negative about VoIP.
> Src: http://www.artisoft.com/pdf/SoftwarePBXWP.pdf
>
> <snip>
> Internet Protocol (IP) PBXs
> As Voice-Over-IP technologies improved, several vendors introduced IP
> PBX products that managed all
> communications over a business IP network. Because IP standards were
> still evolving, each vendor interpreted
> them differently or ignored them completely, creating telephones and
> routers that were incompatible
> with those of competing vendors. This resulted in proprietary and
> sometimes very expensive telephones,
> routers and hubs. In addition, the vendors provided only very basic
> application sets and their proprietary
> architectures provided little incentive for 3rd-party developers to
> create add-on applications. Essentially,
> the IP PBX merely replicated the limited features and high cost of
> ownership of traditional proprietary
> PBXs within a data-centric environment.
> </snip>
>
> 2. Do we keep the current phone number after changing into VoIP?
>
> I have no idea how the IP phone is assigned a phone number.
>
> 3. Is it easy to maintain the VoIP system?
>
> Our current phone system causes no trouble.
> I fear that VoIP system may give lots of pains.
> What can we do if the Internet is down?
>
> 4. Can we use the current old PBX with VoIP?
>
> If VoIP-PBX is not good or is not worth going for, we might keep the
> current PBX and just go for VoIP.
>
> 5. Which vendor is worth checking out and how much will it cost?
>
> 6. How much money can we save with VoIP and what benefit else can we
> get?
>
>
> I would appreciate any help.
>
> Sam
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Anonymous
May 28, 2004 8:00:22 PM

Archived from groups: comp.dcom.voice-over-ip (More info?)

<RC> wrote in message
news:39326db95bef513f80d056dbcafe2fb6@news.teranews.com...
> A good VoIP PBX (or Key System) will always cost more. It can be stable
but
> this is highly dependent on implementation. If the seller does not have
many
> years in both voice and data expect trouble. What's you network like? Do
you
> have a QoS capable switch? Think about what you want it to do.

given that you have 15 users, you could just install a separate ethernet
switch for the IP Telephony system.

Just because it is VoIP based doesnt mean you have to mix the voice and data
traffic - although there are some good things you can do that may be
worthwhile if you do.

Most of the advantages of converging voice and data are about integration on
PCs, in call centres and so on, or mixing the 2 traffic types across
expensive links, such as a WAN.

> Voice mail-yes
> Unified messaging-?
> Conference calls-yes
> IP trunks-?
> PSTN trunks-probably
> Fax routing (in and out)-?
> ACD (Automated Call Distribution)-probably
> A good system (sticking to major names) that can do all this and both VoIP
> and legacy is the Nortel BCM.

BCM is a Norstar PBX on a blade in a specialised PC (appliance) - good
reliable kit, and mature stable software from the PBX side.

I might be biases because we sell them, but we
> did look into many others when we were choosing a small/medium business
VoIP
> system. Even got completely certified on the Cisco and had a 3Com on-site
> for over a month (what a piece of garbage).

There are lots of other systems - 1 suggestion is to look at the PBX style
systems that also support Voip - that way you can mix and match to some
extent - Mitel seems popular.

>
> Number one thing, don't go VoIP just because it is the in thing.

Agreed - but before that decide what you want the system to do...

> --
> Randall Cohen
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Alternative Communication Systems, Inc.
> www.acsvoicedata.com
> Email: rcohen_at_acsvoicedata_dot_com.no-spam
>
> The only thing I guaranty about my free advice is that it's mine and it's
> free.
>
>
> "Sam Kong" <ssk@chol.net> wrote in message
> news:f0667546.0405271534.600e5aa1@posting.google.com...
> > Hello!
> >
> > [Situation]
> >
> > I am working for a small company (about 15 employees).
> > We take calls for sales and technical supports.
> > We have an old PBX with minimal basic functions (transfer, hold, 3
> > person talk, etc.).
> > Our president is considering changing our phone system into VoIP +
> > VoIP PBX.
> >
> > [Questions]
> >
> > 1. Is VoIP mature(stable) enough now?
> >
> > I visited artisoft.com and found the following article which is
> > negative about VoIP.
> > Src: http://www.artisoft.com/pdf/SoftwarePBXWP.pdf
> >
> > <snip>
> > Internet Protocol (IP) PBXs
> > As Voice-Over-IP technologies improved, several vendors introduced IP
> > PBX products that managed all
> > communications over a business IP network. Because IP standards were
> > still evolving, each vendor interpreted
> > them differently or ignored them completely, creating telephones and
> > routers that were incompatible
> > with those of competing vendors. This resulted in proprietary and
> > sometimes very expensive telephones,
> > routers and hubs. In addition, the vendors provided only very basic
> > application sets and their proprietary
> > architectures provided little incentive for 3rd-party developers to
> > create add-on applications. Essentially,
> > the IP PBX merely replicated the limited features and high cost of
> > ownership of traditional proprietary
> > PBXs within a data-centric environment.
> > </snip>
> >
> > 2. Do we keep the current phone number after changing into VoIP?
> >
> > I have no idea how the IP phone is assigned a phone number.
> >
> > 3. Is it easy to maintain the VoIP system?
> >
> > Our current phone system causes no trouble.
> > I fear that VoIP system may give lots of pains.
> > What can we do if the Internet is down?
> >
> > 4. Can we use the current old PBX with VoIP?
> >
> > If VoIP-PBX is not good or is not worth going for, we might keep the
> > current PBX and just go for VoIP.
> >
> > 5. Which vendor is worth checking out and how much will it cost?
> >
> > 6. How much money can we save with VoIP and what benefit else can we
> > get?
> >
> >
> > I would appreciate any help.
> >
> > Sam
--
Regards

Stephen Hope - return address needs fewer xxs
May 29, 2004 12:03:26 AM

Archived from groups: comp.dcom.voice-over-ip (More info?)

"shope" <stephen_hope@xntlxworld.com> wrote in message
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> given that you have 15 users, you could just install a separate ethernet
> switch for the IP Telephony system.

We've done that as well, only drawback is that you end up needing a router
between the LANs if you want the advanced integration. Since IP phones need
power, and using a brick is a pain (expecially if the power goes out), you
end up with a in-line power unit for the ethernet or a PoE switch. PoE
switches always support QoS. In the end it's just plain easier to get the
PoE/QoS switch.

>
> Just because it is VoIP based doesnt mean you have to mix the voice and
data
> traffic - although there are some good things you can do that may be
> worthwhile if you do
>
> Most of the advantages of converging voice and data are about integration
on
> PCs, in call centres and so on, or mixing the 2 traffic types across
> expensive links, such as a WAN.

Yup, and with WAN links you need to make sure you are using G729a otherwise
it tend to use too much bandwidth. And now you need QoS routers (no an issue
for me, I use Cisco and they all have it)

>
> BCM is a Norstar PBX on a blade in a specialised PC (appliance) - good
> reliable kit, and mature stable software from the PBX side.
>
>
> There are lots of other systems - 1 suggestion is to look at the PBX style
> systems that also support Voip - that way you can mix and match to some
> extent - Mitel seems popular.
I agree Mitel is great, we sell them too ;-). They fit into larger
businesses, even a small sx200ICP would be more then a BCM200 or BCM400, but
the features!!! Mitel has a feature set that goes on for pages. But do you
need them?

>
> >
> > Number one thing, don't go VoIP just because it is the in thing.
>
> Agreed - but before that decide what you want the system to do...

>
> > --
> > Randall Cohen
> > Sr. Systems Engineer
> > Alternative Communication Systems, Inc.
> > www.acsvoicedata.com
> > Email: rcohen_at_acsvoicedata_dot_com.no-spam
> >
!