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April 9, 2006 5:05:57 AM

i want to know the maximum temperature of my CPU:

-AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Socket 939 (San Diego) 2.2Ghz.


i mainly want to know so i could turn that 120mm 3-speed rear fan to "low speed" if 55-57 degrees (Celcius), when loaded, is not that much.

the fans i have on my computer (case is Antec Sonata 2):

-Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W (it have dual-fans)
-MSI Radeon X1300Pro 256mb (it have a fan + heat-sink)
-ThermalTake CL-P0200 (CPU fan +heat-sink)
-Antec 3-speed 120mm fan (fan set on medium speed).

actual approx. temperatures (from SpeedFan):
-idle: 43-45 degrees.
-loaded: 56-58 degrees.

i heard this CPU maximum temperature is 70-71 degrees, is that right?

so is it safe to turn that 120mm rear fan to "low speed"?

i want my computer to be more quiet, just to let you all know...

thanks for helping me! :) 
April 9, 2006 5:22:09 AM

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actual approx. temperatures (from SpeedFan):
-idle: 43-45 degrees.
-loaded: 56-58 degrees.

That seems kind of hot for that CPU. I have that same CPU in a Chenming 601 case, with two 80 mm fans (one intake and one exhaust) and it idles at 22-24° C according to Asus Probe II.
April 9, 2006 5:32:17 AM

geez 24 degrees? even my old Pentium 3 500Mhz wasn't that cold, it was always around 30-32 degrees.

i still want to know the maximum temperature of my CPU though. please.
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April 9, 2006 5:41:44 AM

I have that CPU. 50c under load is the most you want to see. 65c is max
April 9, 2006 5:44:11 AM

well i won,t change my whole computer (case, fans, etc...) because i need to make it 50 degrees...

i'll try it out with the rear 120mm fan at low speed...to see what it'll do

65 degrees you say? on that Packard Bell website, they says this exact model (San Diego, Socket 939, etc...), the maximum temp. is 71 degrees. (but it shuts down at 69-70 i think)
April 9, 2006 6:23:10 AM

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That seems kind of hot for that CPU. I have that same CPU in a Chenming 601 case, with two 80 mm fans (one intake and one exhaust) and it idles at 22-24° C according to Asus Probe II.


I call BS on that, unless your room temperature is in the mid to low 10's (Celcius).

Beside, you know that A*al Probe is notorious for reporting ridiculous temperature readouts ?
April 9, 2006 6:45:08 AM

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Each mobo has its sensor calibrated differently.


I would'nt even call that calibration, it's closer to the results that one would obtain from drunk baboons randomly connecting the sensors.
April 9, 2006 6:47:24 AM

...anything that could help me? is that 70 degrees the maximum temperature of my CPU?
April 9, 2006 6:47:51 AM

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That seems kind of hot for that CPU. I have that same CPU in a Chenming 601 case, with two 80 mm fans (one intake and one exhaust) and it idles at 22-24° C according to Asus Probe II.


how COLD is your room?? more to the point what cooler are you using? i want one.
April 9, 2006 6:58:18 AM

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...anything that could help me? is that 70 degrees the maximum temperature of my CPU?


Yes, but I doubt that you would reach that temp by running your CPU at its stock speed.

Then again, your load temp is high despite the cooling system you got, try reapplying the thermal compound and reseating the heatsink, I suspect that there is something wrong with the way it is mounted.
April 9, 2006 9:33:08 AM

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Yes, but I doubt that you would reach that temp by running your CPU at its stock speed.

Then again, your load temp is high despite the cooling system you got, try reapplying the thermal compound and reseating the heatsink, I suspect that there is something wrong with the way it is mounted.


i didn't...i bought the CPU-fan thing and the store installed it (since my computer is on a 3-years warranty). maybe i need to re-arrange the wires a bit inside the computer?
April 9, 2006 9:48:12 AM

If wires are in the way of airflow.. yes.

Doesn't hurt to organize all power cables, IDE/SATA cables with plasitc cable ties to tuck them out of the way.
April 9, 2006 2:09:14 PM

A little off topic, but maybe you can clear this up. I've seen quite a few posts that bash the Asus Probe software for reporting wrong temps (not sure if version matters, i use probe II) I have a P4 that supposedly has an internal thermal diode that reports to the hardware monitoring chip on the MB. Anyways, according to Asus, the probe software gets its reading from this same chip. I use Everest, Speedfan, Asus Probe, and of course the bios to compare temps and they all say the same thing. I can open all 3 apps and they are all the same and they even change at about the same rate according to load.(Everest has a little lag b/c it polls the chip less). Am I missing something? I mean if the Probe doesn't read from the same monitoring chip, than where the hell does it read from? I kinda like the auto-execute feature and the graph interface of the Asus app, so why does it suck?
April 9, 2006 3:12:56 PM

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That's the dumbest reply I've heard all day.

I thought that English was the native language of New Zealand. The posts I've seen from you are beginning to make me wonder.
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You can not simply compare your own temperature against another mobo especially when it's an idle.

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That seems kind of hot for that CPU.

Does the bolding help? (lol).

My post is not complex. First I state that the temperature seems kind of hot (you know, as opposed to an absolute statement), then I mention my own experience with that particular processor as one of the reasons that his temperatures seem hot. Of course, even without my experience with the same CPU...
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-idle: 43-45 degrees.
-loaded: 56-58 degrees.

...still seems hot for a 90 nm A64. My Athlon XP 1800 idled at 38-40° C in this same case.
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[EDITED]The idle temperature would've obtained with Cool'n'Quite enabled too.
Not only do I not have the AMD driver for the "Cool n' Quiet" feature installed, but it is not enabled in the BIOS either, Kreskin.

BTW, the BIOS shows 26-28° C at idle (I think I've mentioned that before somewhere).
April 9, 2006 3:13:44 PM

As it has been pointed out earlier, the sensors, monitoring chips and software are innacurate, you also need to understand that even the on-die diode is only relatively accurate, the monitoring chip can also skew the temp that will be reported to the software.

As for Asus Probe, it has a long history of being unreliable and not reporting the same temperature readings as other software.

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bought the CPU-fan thing and the store installed it (since my computer is on a 3-years warranty).


You should consider getting them to reseat the heatsink properly, I suspect that they botched the job.
April 9, 2006 3:52:24 PM

Yeah, I realize that all software monitoring programs are inaccurate to some degree and probably only good for determining relative changes in temps. It just seems like Asus Probe gets a bad rap and I couldn't figure out why since I assumed all monitoring programs would read from the same place. Maybe the newest Asus update took care of the odd temp readings compared to other apps.
April 9, 2006 4:35:49 PM

I downloaded Speedfan v4.28 and it shows a steady 22° C at idle for the CPU. The strange thing that I noticed is that I have 3 HDDs all in the same cage with the front intake fan blowing over them, and SpeedFan is showing 2 of my HDDs at under 20° C, but the 3rd one is showing as above 40° C. I wonder if this is something to worry about:

April 9, 2006 5:15:06 PM

OK as you can see from the above posts, I am no expert when it comes to temp monitoring apps, but some of your readings seem out of line. Congrats if they're accurate but 22C for the cpu is normally only attainable with water cooling. That about 70F which is average room temp. That's awesome if your HS/F can keep it that low. Then there are your HDD temps. You say you have 3 HDD. What kind of RAID are you running? According to Speedfan your HDD is like 59F. Is your room freezing? I would think 59F might be accurate if the HDD was unplugged and still in the box you bought it in :lol:  Then there are your fan speeds. Are your fans controlled by your MB according to temp. Not sure what size they are but I would think they would've slowed down a bit if your temps where correct. Maybe you've got fans blowing directly over some of you're sensors and that's confusing things a bit. My MB sensor changes quite alot compared to my other sensors depending on how high I set my intake fan speed. You might try downloading Everest and comparing the readings, although I would hope(according to my earlier posts) that it would read the same. How are your fans setup? I would love to get those temps. (the only time my cpu and MB were in the low 20'sC was when my heater broke in the dead of winter)
April 9, 2006 5:17:29 PM

Don't expect help after lashing out at a forum guru like wusy, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

You n00bs need to know your place.
April 9, 2006 5:58:07 PM

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Don't expect help after lashing out at a forum guru like wusy, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

Is this Junior High (lol)?
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You n00bs need to know your place.
Please be careful what you say. Scathing comments like that could easily kill ten ordinary men.
April 9, 2006 6:29:29 PM

just a comparrison:

sonata2 case (with duct in place),2- 120 fans,370064 san diego,a8n-e mobo,zalman 7700 alcu cpu fan,9800 pro,2-200 g maxtor hd's on raid 0

about 20'celsius in room

initial startup on everest...30'c...15 min at idle...31'c.....after running 3dmark 05....38'c

just my setup in my environment!
April 9, 2006 7:23:45 PM

i moved my computer too...it was on the desk beside the monitor, now it's in on the side of the desk in something we made (the old desk had plenty of room on the left side to put some stuff, with a door, we took off the desk table and we just keep the storage part to put the computer in it).


since i changed the heat-sink + fan for a better one, the temp. seem better, but the computer was on top of my desk. (i moved it beside my desk, to make it more quiet...)
April 9, 2006 7:40:48 PM

Throwing around pityfull insults and hollow threats won't accomplish much, if you don't like our tone, leave, we sure won't miss you...
April 9, 2006 8:14:58 PM

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Throwing around pityfull insults and hollow threats won't accomplish much, if you don't like our tone, leave, we sure won't miss you...

You are confused. The "pitiful insults" are coming from the likes of you and the resident "forum guru", and as far as "hollow threats" go, well, what in the blue hell you talking about? Is English not your native language either? That is the most likely conclusion that can be drawn if you are seeing "threats", "hollow" or otherwise, in anything I have posted on this thread.

Please let be part of your little club. You wouldn't want me to lose sleep tonight would you?
April 9, 2006 9:59:59 PM

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Don't expect help after lashing out at a forum guru like wusy, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

Is this Junior High (lol)?

I should have used pathetic instead of pitifull, I find insulting that you compare THGC to a cohort of brats, the irony is that the latest crop of n00bs (which you are a part of) seems dedicated to sinking THGC to that level.

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You n00bs need to know your place.
Please be careful what you say.

Is'nt that a thinly veiled threat ?What if I don't intend to be careful about my way of criticizing your agressiveness toward established members of our community ?

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Scathing comments like that could easily kill ten ordinary men.


You reaped what you have sown when you attacked wusy after making ridiculous claims about your CPU temperature.

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You are confused. The "pitiful insults" are coming from the likes of you and the resident "forum guru", and as far as "hollow threats" go, well, what in the blue hell you talking about? Is English not your native language either? That is the most likely conclusion that can be drawn if you are seeing "threats", "hollow" or otherwise, in anything I have posted on this thread.


Ever heard of bilingualism or is that too much of an alien concept for you to grasp ? Resorting to grammar nazism and primitive racial slur won't earn you any respect, same goes for questionning my intellectual integrity.
April 9, 2006 10:51:57 PM

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I should have used pathetic instead of pitifull, I find insulting that you compare THGC to a cohort of brats, the irony is that the latest crop of n00bs (which you are a part of) seems dedicated to sinking THGC to that level.

Is that a joke? Maybe you should reread the thread to see who "started it". And yes, the whole "hierarchy" thing that you think is going on at this forum is extremely Junior High-ish.
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You n00bs need to know your place.

Please be careful what you say.
Is'nt that a thinly veiled threat ?
LOL. Say what?
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What if I don't intend to be careful about my way of criticizing your agressiveness toward established members of our community ?

Then you are likely to end up killing someone with that razor sharp wit of yours, or at least, putting someone's eye out, lol.
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You reaped what you have sown when you attacked wusy after making ridiculous claims about your CPU temperature.

Indeed. I am lucky to still be alive! BTW, my CPU temperature is still 22° C according to Asus Probe II and SpeedFan, so if you think that is a "ridiculous claim", take it up with Asus and/or the author of SpeedFan.
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Ever heard of bilingualism or is that too much of an alien concept for you to grasp ? Resorting to grammar nazism and primitive racial slur won't earn you any respect, same goes for questionning my intellectual integrity.

So English is not your native language? Now there is a surprise. Next time you think that you are seeing "thinly veiled threats" and other such nonsense on message boards, I suggest you get confirmation from someone who is more competent in the language at hand before offering up your plug nickel's worth. Also, I have not said anything about your grammar, nor have I said anything about your race. Consider that to be English lesson number 1, on the house.
April 10, 2006 7:22:38 AM

A Sid



:wink:


thx
April 10, 2006 8:34:12 AM

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Don't expect help after lashing out at a forum guru like wusy, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

Is this Junior High (lol)?

I should have used pathetic instead of pitifull, I find insulting that you compare THGC to a cohort of brats, the irony is that the latest crop of n00bs (which you are a part of) seems dedicated to sinking THGC to that level.

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You n00bs need to know your place.
Please be careful what you say.

Is'nt that a thinly veiled threat ?What if I don't intend to be careful about my way of criticizing your agressiveness toward established members of our community ?

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Scathing comments like that could easily kill ten ordinary men.


You reaped what you have sown when you attacked wusy after making ridiculous claims about your CPU temperature.

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You are confused. The "pitiful insults" are coming from the likes of you and the resident "forum guru", and as far as "hollow threats" go, well, what in the blue hell you talking about? Is English not your native language either? That is the most likely conclusion that can be drawn if you are seeing "threats", "hollow" or otherwise, in anything I have posted on this thread.


Ever heard of bilingualism or is that too much of an alien concept for you to grasp ? Resorting to grammar nazism and primitive racial slur won't earn you any respect, same goes for questionning my intellectual integrity.

Geez you guys are retards. Can't we all just get along? Guess not!
April 10, 2006 8:35:35 AM

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Legit Bottom Line: The core temperatures that we "monitor" are inaccurate and are nothing more than a mathematical equation that varies due to the fact that board & I/O chip venders don't use the same equation!


Here's the link to the webpage I found, thought it was informative:

Core Temperatures Examined

After reading this, this did help me understand more of the temp accuracy, and comparing them to other MB systems.
April 10, 2006 9:20:37 AM

I'd just like to add that my AMD Athlon 64 3700+ gets up to around 34^oC when I check the BIOS out just after shutting down a game (i.e. FEAR or Quake 4).
April 10, 2006 2:35:58 PM

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Indeed. I am lucky to still be alive! BTW, my CPU temperature is still 22° C according to Asus Probe II and SpeedFan, so if you think that is a "ridiculous claim", take it up with Asus and/or the author of SpeedFan.

*sigh* Same style of crappy non-informed arguement again.
The thermal sensor on ASUS does not govern the temperature standard you fool.

Face the fact or be gone.
How about actually reading the claim, Archimedes? The claim is that, according to Asus Probe II and SpeedFan, the CPU temperature is 22° C. Does the bolding help, SimpleMan™? Note that nowhere in this thread have I made any claims whatsoever regarding the accuracy of Asus Probe II or SpeedFan, or even, what the "thermal sensor on ASUS" does or does not govern. Every claim I have made in this thread has been 100% fact.

You + a DumbGuy™ = 2 DumbGuys™
September 13, 2010 11:19:50 PM

I have this processor as well. So, how do I see how hot it is running?
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