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April 10, 2006 9:29:31 PM

Hi,

Would my socket A (I know it's old) CPU be a bottleneck for a 7800GS AGP graphics card?

I have an Abit NF7-S 2.0 running a Athlon 2800 XP-M @ between 2400-2600Mhz, stable.

I have 2x512MB Crucial Ballistix RAM sticks, a 550W OCZ PSU and a 200GB IDE HDD.

There is no point upgrading to this card if the CPU can't handle it...

Thoughts Question

Thanks!
Mark

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April 10, 2006 9:41:12 PM

Hmmm. Bummer indeed.

But I guess all CPU's are a bottleneck to the latest and greatest?

Thanks for you help.
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April 10, 2006 9:45:16 PM

It will totally depend on the game. What games do you play? I have a XPM 2500+ that also runs up to 2.6Ghz; paired with a X800XTpe it's still a decent machine.
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April 10, 2006 9:46:24 PM

CPU is fine, if anything it'll onld hold you back 5, maybe 10 fps compared to, say, an Athlon64.

But the card will make a huge difference. Still, for the price of a 7800 GS you could go a long way toward upgrading your platform. I'm always hesitant to recommend the 7800 GS because of that.

If you do go 7800GS, go with Gainwards... it's actually a 7800 GT. full 20 pipelines, much better than the regular 7800 GS' out there.
April 10, 2006 9:47:19 PM

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No, Socket A is old, that;s why it's a bottleneck.


Hehe, I know.

Just trying to squeeze out its lifetime for another year and then do a big 64 bit upgrade...
April 10, 2006 9:49:37 PM

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It will totally depend on the game. What games do you play? I have a XPM 2500+ that also runs up to 2.6Ghz; paired with a X800XTpe it's still a decent machine.


HL2, Farcry, COD2, and soon it will be Oblivion... :) 

At the moment I have a 6600GT and it's ok but a bit slow at times. It gets eaten by 3Dmark05 and 3Dmark06...
April 10, 2006 9:51:39 PM

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But the card will make a huge difference. Still, for the price of a 7800 GS you could go a long way toward upgrading your platform. I'm always hesitant to recommend the 7800 GS because of that.

If you do go 7800GS, go with Gainwards... it's actually a 7800 GT. full 20 pipelines, much better than the regular 7800 GS' out there.


Yeah that's the other thing. The card is a big one price wise. Upgrading would probably cost me an extra 250-300 depending on mobo/CPU...but that's pushing my budget.

I have a Gainward 6600GT GS GLH and it's pretty cool! Gainward are great.
April 10, 2006 10:00:16 PM

Thanks for your comments guys!!!
April 10, 2006 10:03:35 PM

I'm running a Barton socket A with a 7800GS, and it does alright....though I am buying that fucking Asrock shit fuck motherboard this friday to adopt 939 fucking shit I swear :roll:
April 10, 2006 10:05:09 PM

it really fuck fucking me :roll:
April 10, 2006 10:10:15 PM

I have yet to see data on the "bottleneck" other then a yes or no answer from people on this board.

I have a setup similar to yours and bottleneck or not I noticed a big difference. I went from 5812 Marks in '03 to 12600 Marks going from a 9800Pro 128 AIW to a BFG 7800GS.

I am not an overclocker and this is on a fresh windows XP Pro install. I made no tweak to the Cata or nV settings, the bios or background programs running.

Aside from numbers I am running BF2 and WoW on high settings without issue now where as before I was medium settings at best.

Was it worth $350? To me it was because I believe I can get another 12-18 months out of my socket A and AGP system. It will last me until the AM2 drops the socket 939 prices to a respectable level for me upgrade.

I won $300 when UCLA lost in the finals so it wasnt that hard of a choice for me and I am glad I upgraded.
April 10, 2006 10:11:55 PM

I need a second fucking hand Athlon64 from somebody please fuck fuck, I can offer a hand job or maybe more but fuck fucking you know fuck fuck fuck :roll:
April 10, 2006 10:17:23 PM

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I have a setup similar to yours and bottleneck or not I noticed a big difference. I went from 5812 Marks in '03 to 12600 Marks going from a 9800Pro 128 AIW to a BFG 7800GS.


Massive leap!! That's really sweet. Now I'm even more tempted!

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Was it worth $350? To me it was because I believe I can get another 12-18 months out of my socket A and AGP system. It will last me until the AM2 drops the socket 939 prices to a respectable level for me upgrade.


You echo my thoughts almost exactly. I want to wait and do a mega upgrade in the same time period.

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UCLA lost in the finals


Who are they? American Football/Basketball/Ice Hockey?? I'm a South African, so I have no idea what kind of sport you are referring too :) 
April 10, 2006 10:18:57 PM

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I can offer a hand job or maybe more but **** ****** you know **** **** **** :roll:


**** ****** ???

**** **** **** ???

You mean **** x **** x **** ???

:) 
April 10, 2006 10:20:33 PM

NCAA basketball
April 10, 2006 10:22:15 PM

As a small child, my parents wouldnt let me own animals......it seems that I had a penchant for torture and cruelty. I did something unspeakable to a guinea pig I think, I must have blocked it out.


I only post here to help the guinea pigs...erm......I mean new members :oops: 
April 10, 2006 10:23:32 PM

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You mean **** x **** x **** ???


......exactly :roll:
April 10, 2006 10:37:50 PM

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I need post count ++ more than you. :D 

This is now the official THG spam thread....have at it n00b..
April 10, 2006 10:38:41 PM

You dont by chance look like a guinea pig.....do you? :oops: 
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2006 11:10:29 PM

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HL2, Farcry, COD2, and soon it will be Oblivion... :) 

Sure you can run low res cpu scaling tests that would show a huge difference, but at best gameable resolutions, as long as you have a certain amount of cpu power, the high resolution and eye candy will make it more GPU bound. So on a XP2400+ I'd say don't bother with the 7800GS as farcry, HL2, D3, etc. will force you to dumb things down even if the GPU could handle it. But on a 2.4GHz AXP, I think you have enough to make a 7800GS worth buying if you stay AGP. Also a $190 X800XL would save you $80+ and be a good alternative. Oblivion is going to hammer the 7800GS anyway forcing you to lower details and resolution more than on those other games. I'd suspect a better cpu would handle the multi NPC low areas better, but there is so much eye candy in that game, IMO the GPU will be hurting way more than your CPU. Same with COD2, I'd think you'd be very gpu bound.

This is a 6800U showing cpu scaling in HL2, but at high resolution with FSAA/AF. So your CPU should between the Xp3200+ and A64 3000+, with the 7800GS ouperfoming the 6800U also. Sure there is a benchmarkable difference, but not really huge at high res. Lower the resolution and then the top cpus extend their lead. But I don't think your cpu will make much of a difference to your gaming experience with a 7800GS. If you are in the USA, a $190 X800XL would also be a good choice.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/half_life_2_cpu_sho...
April 11, 2006 8:19:26 PM

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I did something unspeakable to a guinea pig I think


A friend and I got his hamster drunk by feeding it wine from our fingers. It fell off the table, shook its head and wandered off :) 

True story!

haha
April 11, 2006 8:25:15 PM

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NCAA basketball


*shivers*

BBall. Weirdo US sport :)  But I suppose we play cricket and rugby. :lol: 
April 11, 2006 8:33:05 PM

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But on a 2.4GHz AXP, I think you have enough to make a 7800GS worth buying if you stay AGP. Also a $190 X800XL would save you $80+ and be a good alternative. Oblivion is going to hammer the 7800GS anyway forcing you to lower details and resolution more than on those other games.


I begin to lean towards the Bigga and Betta card :)  I can pretty much afford a good GFx card at the moment but an upgrade will have to wait a year or so.

Looking forward to seeing the eye candy on Oblivion. Must run out and fetch a copy...

You played it much? Is it GOOD? :) 
a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2006 9:13:18 PM

Yeah, if the price is right, the 7800GS would be good in your rig. You could always keep the 7800GS for a while in your next build if you buy a Asrock Uli S939 mobo. Then just upgrade to a better PCI-e card when you can. Sure, you'd get more video card for the money just going pci-e now, but if a new rig is no feasible, what can you do.

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Looking forward to seeing the eye candy on Oblivion. Must run out and fetch a copy...

You played it much? Is it GOOD?

Even with a 6800U Oblivion looks amazing. I'd sure like to increase the settings more and see it in all it's glory though. HDR makes for a huge hit in performance in some areas. But at 1024x768, honestly the alaising bugs me and I think I prefer fsaa/bloom and seem to get higher fps that way than HDR. No more evident is how jaggy the people look; what a difference even with 2Xfsaa makes. A X1900XT running HDR and fsaa would be the way I wish I could play. But to be honest I like the game so much that is all I play now.
April 11, 2006 9:17:51 PM

I will tell you think from an unscientific point of view: 2GB of RAM will also help a ton.

I saw a noticable difference in Oblivion, WoW and BF2 the games I play when I just added my 7800GS. I still had a couple studders in heavy graphics areas but still a vast improvements from before.

I installed 2GB of matched PC3200 and the gains are even greater.

I am probley getting dangerously close to the low end scale of an upgrade but I plan on upgrading to a 939 next year not the new AM2 so the ram I bought this week will still be usable in my "new" system next year.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
G.Skill 2x1GB PC3200 for only $140!
April 11, 2006 9:33:04 PM

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I will tell you think from an unscientific point of view: 2GB of RAM will also help a ton.


I know RAM will help but one step at a time :) 

I only have 3 slots and 2 of them have 512MB Crucial Ballistix PC3200 2-2-2-5 sticks, so unless I want to bin that I can only get another 1 stick and Crucial only make up to 512MB sticks, so that means 1.5GB. You dig? :) 

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I saw a noticable difference in Oblivion, WoW and BF2 the games I play when I just added my 7800GS. I still had a couple studders in heavy graphics areas but still a vast improvements from before.

I installed 2GB of matched PC3200 and the gains are even greater.


Coolio.

Newer games like more power in both cards/cpu/ram/psu..blah blah. But you already know this.
April 11, 2006 9:35:22 PM

You just made hungry for games! Haha.

I think I go and plug my eyes into the screen for a while until they bleed :p 
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October 8, 2009 10:48:32 AM

couple of things a super fast graphics card on slow system will rely intirely on the gpu on graphics, this could cause graphic lag and overheating ur gpu making ur system lag or be unstable. I strongly recommend you get a Radeon on your system as the Radeons require less cpu power to run at optimal performane. Nvidia card requires a lot of power as the use higher resolutions and more advanced graphics. but to a general user you would not even notice this. a radeon is asier to run
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October 8, 2009 11:16:37 AM

You signed up to post that load of rubbish in a 3-year-old thread? Congrats.
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