Three front war...On the horizon

North Korea says it will conduct a nuclear test

Naaaa....Cream of Sumyunguy is no threat at all....They're just sabre ratteling....[/My ass]

Should be interesting how the UN views/reacts to this (if it happens), with South Korea's Foreign Minister Ban Ki-Moon almost assured of becoming the next UN secretary-general ...

South Korea's Ban virtually assured as new U.N. leader
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But, I don't think the US (under Bush/Rumsfeld) could handle a 3 or 4 front war ... Iraq, Afghanistan, No Korea and possibly Iran ...

It is of major concern to see this development. Its also extremely interesting to note that China--North Korea's most powerful ally--has immediately and unconditionally condemned the prospect of such a test.

...*bleats to the candid, opinionated Snorkius*...

And I think your still suffering from cold war era paranoia....

Most Americans are very open to compromise. Don't confuse hard ball tactics with inflexability,as with any negotiating body the strategy of pushing ones own agenda as hard as possible insures that the real desired points get their due attention & the inflamitory rhetoric gets discarded. That inflamitory bullsh[b][/b]it is necessary to give opponents something to throw out and claim as a moral victory while the true points of our agenda remain intact.

You have lots of opinions yet you lack knowledge in negotiating skills (not your country ...You) your country is quite skilled in these arts as well ,being the major historical "stone wall" to our policys.

Do I or most Americans dispise the Kremlin for this? No , for it's exactly these types of checks & balances that make the system work. But don't think for one minute that your govt. dosen't push their own agendas in the same manner.

Also seeing as we were the only two Nuclear nations to reduce our stockpiles by more than 50% should give us both a huge bargaining chip when it comes to nuclear proliferation issues.....The fact that we didn't dis arm completely seems to be the focus of many emerging nations, however we both know this would have been extreamly stupid.

The ability to smash with a hammer those who would pinprick us to death is a necessity.

Kim Jong Il has relied on China's desire to not have American presence in southeast Asia as his major hole card....However his most recent actions have made China tip us off that his hole card is merely a duce of clubs while he shows Ace ,King ,Queen & Jack of spades on the table.
The U.N. if nothing els provided a platform for China to not whisper in Koreas ear, but loudly proclaim in front of the rest of the world..."We're not behind you on this one bub'!

There's a bit more between my ears then I let on sometimes. 8)




Oh no...I just realized there's quite a few ways to twist that one....Ahh well...

I don't beleive I've ever heard an American say that the UN is worthless because it didn't support the war. I beleive what you meant to say is that you heard Americans call the UN worthless because it wasn't able to uphold anything against Iraq.

Yes, the war in Iraq hurts Russia's interests. Especially since Russia was providing goods to Iraq that the UN stated were sanctioned for years. Also, Frane doing the same thing and a few other countries.

That is why the UN is worthless - many countries can't be trusted to follow through, citing my earlier statement.

Were I to read between the lines would I see Georgia more looking for reparations & whining about the past instead of looking tward the future?

I don't even understand the part about reparations. Stalin, along with a large number of communist leaders was 100% Georgian.

It was one country where everyone suffered under the same fate - Russian, Georgian, Ukrainian, everyone of the hundreds of ethnicities that still make-up Russia was put through the same ordeal, and the civil war that brought communists to power was fought (almost) everywhere throughout the empire.

If anything, they should pay Russia. The germans for inventing the thing and the different minorities that made up the majority of communist leadership.

...*coos to the communist, pro-Stalinist Snorkius*...

It's a long running contest sort of thing. The number of verbs available are somewhat limited (with "bleat" as a definite preference) but the number of adjectives is virtually limitless. The idea is that he never uses the same 2 adjectives per post. If he f[u][/u]ucks up and you can prove it (linky), you get a special bonus.

...*warbles to the dismissive, elegant Snorkius*...

If History and resources within history are any indication all things become inevitable. Only thing the US can say is they don't have an Actual Volcano in their backyard to worry about.

Wait no Pray I told a LIE! Yellow Stone National park is nothing but 80 miles square of Volcano. Of Course the Allah people would like to import them to the U.S through the air like falling Nuclear Toyotas.

Listen you bi-polar fcukin retard...I'd tell you to fcuk off if I could discern what it is you actually said...But since I can't decode one of your posts without an enigma machine...I'll just say hop back on your tiny tri-cycle coco...your needed in the center ring....

Lets take all the unpaid parking tickets soak them in gas and burn the UN to the ground.

And in the process break every trade treaty we've made since 1949 and watch our economy crash....Good plan there sparky....its a bit more complex than that...I seem to recall another super power that when Isolated ,crashed like a house of cards in a hurricane.Can you guess who it was?....You act as if we have thousands of steel mills,textile mills and food processing plants we can just switch on with little or no effort...Well we don't...Remember that all went over seas....What do you mean the price of a 27" TV is now $1,500 because we can't use Chinese steel in the chassis or Korean components?

Get your head out of your ass dude....

So now you're gonna' have tongue prints all over the wall from watching life sized spice channel? 8)

Your best bet is to put out a hit on Culpepper....I'm considering doing the same for Tom Coughlin

I was going to insult you...until I realized you are a Dolphins fan.
When is the memorial service?

Preposterous!

I cant begin to tell you how absolutely and utterly disastrous that would be. You think part of the world dislikes your nation now? Leave the UN and see where it goes from there. The worst thing the US--or any nation for that matter--can do, is break of international engagement.

You dont believe the US is getting much of a return on its investment within the UN? By joves, have you actually taken the time to research what the US actually achieves within the UN? If you think the world's only superpower is being hampered there then please re-think that simplistic perspective and have a good look at the far reaching positive involvement that the US has on the international stage courtesy of deals brokered behind UN doors.

Have you thought about the economic impact of a return to isolationism? What, a return to Ford motor company actually being profitable? Manufacturing jobs for Americans? My friend, its over. Globalisation is absolute fact; there is no return from here. Post-industrialism is in full swing, I assure you.

I dare say it, but the US needs all the friends it can get: not because of the war on terror and not because people think its weakening in its resolve to fight that war--its most certainly not--but because your president made an accurate observation when he stated publicly the fact that this war is indeed about the bombs and the bullets but its also a battle for the hearts and minds of the world's people.

Break off that international diplomatic engagement at the UN and that war is lost long before the last bullet or bomb goes off.

You're mad. Absolutely bonkers, Turpit you are.

What far right or far left propoganda have you been reading?

Ok, a return to Isolationism as the main ideological doctrine is what you're calling for, right?

Every US global conglomerate now cannot trade with the rest of the world, is that what you're suggesting? Every small business who now relies on cheaper imports no longer can operate profitably; every consumer who now relies on cheaper consumer goods can no longer afford them; every merchant bank making billions by investing in the developing world can no longer rely on making enormous profits by taking the necessary risk of investing there in the first place.

Lets not misunderstand the doctrine of isolationism. The United States pre-WW2 stance was a political one, not an economic one. Your nation was trading profitably with the rest of the world, investing heavily in foreign markets and had vested interests world-wide by the early 40s.

Where do you get this information? Please dont tell me that there are politicians there calling for what you're suggesting.

Read up on economics? You mean Clintonomics, don’t you?

So you “… know what the f*** you’re talking about”? Yeah, obviously. Another Clintonomics Globalization NAFTA zombie. You’re clearly operating on the assumption that you understand US economic history better than anyone and that the US has no option but globalization. WRONG.

As far as your history of the unions, and their adverse effects: very good.
As far as your history on positive effects of unions for both the individual AND the economy: Fail. Miserably. You didn’t include any. They are significant enough that if you are going to crucify the unions for their negative impact on the US economy, you had best point out the benefits as well. Such as moving expendable/discretionary income to the pockets of the masses, so they could actually buy discretionary items like TVs and in so doing, suport the economy. Did you forget about that little klinker, or were you asleep in economics class that week?
As far as the stock market, I give a shit why? Because I am incapable of surviving without it? Because the US could not survive if it crashed? NOT!!! The only people who are going to give much of a shit are those vested in the market, the politicians who wont get re-elected and anyone foolish enough to bet their savings in that particular "casino". Tough. Little clue here for ya, the US actually survived “the” crash. It would have survived without WW II too, before you try to rebut with that.

Who gives a crap if all TVs are manufactured are out of country. Did you have to google that to figure it out? Did you mean tube manufactures? I think you did since up till 2001 there were still TVs being produced in the US. Do you know how many tube manufacturers are there? Lemme help you on that one:6. Can you name them? Any of them? Off the top of your head with out googling? Do you know where they’re located? Did you know who the "Big 6" American corporations or the 70s were,? Can you name even name one of them? Do you know what a US101 is? An EH101? A S92? Do you know what the local and global implications on the economy are and to whom? Ever heard of Gentex?

Do TV tubes produce steel, lumber, textiles or food? Are they a necessity? I don’t think Maslow would say so. Is the cash flow they generate a necessity? Ya, to non US economies. I don’t give a crap about Korea’s economy, or Taiwan’s or Chinas or Japans. You cut them the hell off and someone in this county will be more than happy to start producing tubes, steel and textiles. As for the food, have you ever traveled across the US? Do you have the first clue, any idea whatsoever, how much of the US’s real estate is dedicated to the production of fresh produce, poultry, beef and pork? Ya know what, I can live without the Ramen noodles and Kraft Mac-n-cheese without ever going hungry. So can every other US citizen who chooses to do so. Maybe you can’t.

You seem to believe all those jobs we farmed out are gone forever with no hope of being reclaimed---well if you feel so helpless about the US's economic future, and that the US is incapable of supporting itself, move to Seoul. You'll fit right in.

Lets close with a little lesson for you:
Dumb, Stupid and Ignorant

Dumb: to lack the intellectual capacity to solve problems or successfully make use of information-no sin in being dumb
Ignorant: to lack information-may or may not be a sin depending on the reason for the lack of information
Stupid: to possess the intellectual capacity and the required knowledge to solve problems, yet to make the wrong choice- this ones always a sin.

So you call me a retard which is a person well below average IQ, accuse me of lacking the historical knowledge which is implying I am ignorant and then call me stupid, which if am of below average IQ and lacking in knowledge I cannot be.

Well all your descriptions of me contradict themselves, however, you demonstrated some knowledge of history, and ability to reason, but your conclusion that the US is incapable of an isolationist economy is flat out wrong. What’s that make you?

I think you must be daft.

While I'm not going to argue that it's theoretically impossible, isolation is no more feasible in practice than communism.

1)Even without massive budget deficit, and as you freely admit, the whole financing structure would collapse. Right along with most of the banks, businesses, social security, pension funds and pretty much the whole economy. And not just in the US.

I mean, sure, you don't need stock markets, banks, credits, mortgages or any of those other devices that help economic growth. You can survive very well on an honest salary doing honest work. Like people did before. And that leads me to....

2)The standard of living would fall dramatically. To about the level of people living in the good ol' days of honest work. Even if you could somehow preserve financial institutions, which you can't, and use those institutions to fund new steel mills, textile and TV factories - all the things produced by those factories would be hella expensive. (And that's not even taking into account the number of people that would have to leave cushy service jobs to do the sort of back-breaking, dirty, dangerous things "honest" work requires. )

More expensive goods means lower standard of living and less savings which in turn leads to less investments and further hits to the already very hurt financing structure, which in turn leads to lower standard of living... etc.


NOW That doesn't mean all those things can't be rebuilt without international capital. They could and would be.

It's just that the US would suffer decades of economic depression... while the rest of the world continues to happily exploit cheap chinese labor and grow.

The US would lose it's status of super-power, plain and simple - something a lot of other countries, like Russia and China, would love to see happen.

So - you don't have a pension or a bank account then?