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"Capt Bob" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:41:41 -0400, "Bob McKellar" <bob@coastcomp.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Peter R." <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Capt Bob <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh really, you mean you are supposed to retract the flaps before
>>>> lifting off again on a balked landing or touch and go?? Well I'll
>>>> be darned. I must remember to tell that to all the student pilots I
>>>> meet
>>>
>>> I see your point about the balked landing, but what is wrong about
>>> retracting flaps while still on the runway during a T&G? It's not like
>>> the
>>> few extra feet of used runway is going to make a difference to a C150/2
>>> or
>>> even a C172.
>>>
>>> Seems very prudent to me.
>>>
>>On the newer Cessnas with electric flaps, it can sometimes feel like a
>>very
>>long time waiting for the flaps to retract as you see the trees coming up.
>>( Of course, this assumes poor technique to get into that situation in the
>>first place, but those who fly little Cessnas are definitely not immune to
>>such things.)
>>
>>On the older versions with a big ol' manual handle between the seats, you
>>could get a clean wing in a second or so if needed.
>>
>>Also, those 40 degree flaps weren't called "Para-Lift" just for marketing.
>>They did make it seem you were coming straight down.
>>
>>Bob McKellar
>>
>
> Watched a guy once in a Piper Warrior with the instant release
> mechanical flap handle , do a touch and go at Ft Lauderdale's 9R.
> He was about 3/4 of the way down the runway and realized that he had
> forgotten to retract the 30 degrees of flaps he had deployed. So he
> apparently grabbed the flap handle and released them in one fell
> swoop.. we were all waiting for parts of his airplane to come rolling
> down the runway... lucky for him, he missed the fence at the end of
> the runway by inches as his aircraft sank like a brick. I'll take
> the electric flap anytime ............
>
Well. there is no known cure for stupidity.
If you have any feel for the habits of air molecules (and one should, in
this business) you can grab that big old handle, depress the top button, and
use it as another control surface, bringing up the flaps in a prudent
manner, feeling the pressures as you go. Of course, this assumes the
throttle is already advanced, or you run into a shortage of available
extremities.
BTW, I discussed the flap deal with my umpteenth instructor ( I went 13
years from solo to PPL) and asked him why I was expected to use full flaps
all the time on my 150 when it was both unnecessary and potentially
dangerous. He said "I'm not teaching you to fly a 150." He wanted to
instill flap habits for bigger iron. But when he were'nt lookin', I didn't
use that much flap very often.
It was fun once, when I had a C-130 in the pattern behind me. High cruise
speed[1] down final, idle throttle and full flaps just before the numbers, a
solid plant on the concrete and a left turn off the active after about 12
feet of ground run.
I do feel the biggest lack in FS is the lack of pressure feel in the
controls. I don't bother with it much, just fly on AP most of the time.
Bob McKellar
[1] In 150 terms, barely into 3 digit knots range