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April 16, 2006 9:58:34 AM

Hi this is my first post so please be nice.

I am looking at putting together a "server" for general use like storage and as a dedicated server for games.
because it's a server it doesn't need the following:
-Graphics card
-Monitor
-DVD/CD drive [i got 1 already for it]

I don't want to blow my bank on this system. My budget is somewhere in the region of R4000 [i live in south africa] which is like $620-$650.
This is what i came up with:
Case - Liquidsilver LC323 ATX inc.300W psu
CPU - AMD 3200+ 64bit 939
HDD - WD 250gig SATAII 16mb cache
RAM - 2X Corsair ValueSelect 512mb DDR400 [1gig]
Mobo - Asus V8N-VM-CSM all-in-one socket 939 onboard GPU

I wasn't sure about the Mobo. I don't need a gpu for this system.
And I would like to know how much would this system help me in terms of extra performance and so on :?: . I will have 3 other computers hooked up to this 1.

If you can help with choosing better parts than the ones i have chose then please do!

thanks :D 
April 16, 2006 11:57:26 AM

What kind of games do you want to play? If it wasn't for the game server requirement I would suggest going less on the horsepower and more on data storage/security like some form of a raid array, either 1 or 5.
April 16, 2006 12:08:27 PM

Good disk, but RAID would be faster still. Also, consider a bigger PSU (if you keep your server on all the time, it's going to be tested).

Judging from similar questions, I think probably an Opteron is a better bet than A64.
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April 16, 2006 1:10:12 PM

Quote:
What kind of games do you want to play? If it wasn't for the game server requirement I would suggest going less on the horsepower and more on data storage/security like some form of a raid array, either 1 or 5.


games:

-CSS
-Battlefield 2
-FEAR
-AOE3
-HL2 DM + CTF
-NFSMW
-Oblivion
-GW: Factions
and a few others...

So are you suggesting that i can't/shouldnt go for an array coz of the games?
And how much of a performance increase am i looking at here[in detail plz :wink: ]?
April 16, 2006 1:14:16 PM

Quote:
Good disk, but RAID would be faster still. Also, consider a bigger PSU (if you keep your server on all the time, it's going to be tested).

Judging from similar questions, I think probably an Opteron is a better bet than A64.


ok how about the Thermaltake TR2 430watt Active PFC PSU? is it a good choice?

What Opteron could i get for a similar price to the cpu i chose above??? And what socket is it?
April 16, 2006 1:53:24 PM

No, I'm saying that if you have the money you should get a better disk solution, and if you don't have the money I would go lower on hardware specs and higher on disk setup, but since this is a game server you may not be able to go lower on specs especially considering the list of games you want to host.

The bottom line in my opinion is that, regardless of other uses for a server, if it's a file server then you should have some form of data backup or data redundancy.
April 16, 2006 2:46:22 PM

Quote: The bottom line in my opinion is that, regardless of other uses for a server, if it's a file server then you should have some form of data backup or data redundancy.

true true good point. Ok basically i want minimum 200gigs so wat would be the best solution? 2X100gigs? 3X80gigs? or what?
and wats the diff btween Raid 0 and 1 and 5? what are the advantages and disadvantages of each and which would best suit me?

o yeah and i will be storing alot of files such as vids and pics and music so keep that in mind :D 

thanks for the feedback so far! :wink:
April 16, 2006 2:51:25 PM

So it's a file server as well as a gaming server? That means you can't compromise on performance or storage.
April 16, 2006 2:55:24 PM

Quote:
So it's a file server as well as a gaming server? That means you can't compromise on performance or storage.


yip it's both. so what are you suggesting? what abt the AMD Opteron 146 Venus 1GHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model OSA146BNBOX???
April 16, 2006 3:23:26 PM

Well I've seen the Opteron CPUs well reccommended and they are a server-designed CPU after all, so I would say yes, go ahead with that. Although it may be better to get a reccommendation for which Opteron to go for from someone who uses them regularly, which unfortunately I'm not qualified to give.
April 16, 2006 3:26:31 PM

Here is what I would buy, mobo depends on the case size..... all from newegg pricing here with shipping probably more expensive to you though.
Asus A8N5X =$80
Amd 64 X2 3800 = $296
G.SKILL 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 = $70
IN WIN S506T.I430FU2D Beige Computer Case w/430w powersupply = $79
(these acutally have a pretty good psu that come with them)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3250823AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA150 = $86

All of that comes to around $611. Now you could sacrifice the cpu for something slower.....
Options for different CPU
AMD Opteron 148 Venus Socket 939 Processor Model OSA148BNBOX=$259

Now the Opterons are "built" for your application, but I think that the X2 3800 will perform better for you, and you can fit it into your price range. I have never had a cpu burn out on me, and I have had both Opterons and the more Consumer Amd cpus, I run programs 24/7 no prob..... take it into consideration. I forgot the video card, I would just buy a cheap PCI video card, or cheap PCI e video card, 30-40 USD..... if you ever have problems with onboard video, you will wish you had a card.
April 16, 2006 3:30:08 PM

Or just get a Cirrus Logic 2mb from eBay for about $3
April 16, 2006 3:52:28 PM

ok so what kind of performance increase am i looking at with a server like this? in regards to:
- gaming
- normal windows apps/miltitasking etc.
:?
April 16, 2006 4:14:30 PM

Well, just take a look at this, and look at any of the benchmarks with the X2 3800, you will see the performance difference between the different CPU's. It should be around what you would get with this system, and there are both synthetic and real world benchmarks in here.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...
April 16, 2006 4:47:36 PM

If you are truly looking at implementing a server, here are my thoughts:

Case - Antec Performance TX TX640B w/ 400W ($98.99)
CPU - AMD Opteron 144 1.8GHz Retail Box ($170)
HDD - 2x Maxtor MaxLine III 250GB SATA-II ($100 ea.)
RAM - Corsair ValueSelect 1GB DDR400 ($73)
Mobo - ASUS A8N-VM CSM ($80.99)

Grand Total = $622.98 before shipping

Implementation: Put the 2x 250GB HDD's in a RAID 1 array (mirror) using the nvRAID BIOS (make sure you enable SATA RAID for the SATA ports in the BIOS of the motherboard).

In addition, I would add another 1GB stick in the future or go with the 2GB Kit below now if you can afford to. I've also listed alternate CPU options if you feel you want more power.

Options:

RAM
Corsair ValueSelect 2GB DDR400 Kit ($139)

CPU
AMD Opteron 146 2.0GHz Retail Box ($210.99)
OR
AMD Opteron 148 2.2GHz Retail Box ($259)
OR
AMD Opteron 165 2x 1.8GHz Retail Box ($327)
April 16, 2006 5:35:03 PM

As far as gaming goes you'll be able to host more people I guess, but your internet connection/100mbit LAN is the limiting factor as far as file transfer goes. I'm not sure what difference you expect for Windows apps/multitasking, unless you want to build a new computer rather than a server.
April 16, 2006 8:48:35 PM

well actually i will be upgrading to sumthing similar to this, this year:

CPU: AMD Athlon64 X2 4800 1MB Retail Socket 939
MOBO: Abit AN8 32X NF4 SLI X16
RAM: Corsair Twinx 2x1GB matched XMS3200 TWINX2048-3200PT Platinum
HDD: 2X 250GB Maxtor 6V250F0 SATA2 16MB 300Gb/s
PSU: Turbine Power 550w w/active PFC
Case: CoolermasterAmmo 533 Blk/Sil
GPU: BFG 7900GTX 512mb OC :twisted:
SCard: Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Music
Monitor: ViewSonic VX922 Black/Silver 19" 2ms LCD
Speakers: already got my Logitech Z-5500's :p 

O yeah and if you can give me advise on this system too then i would appreciate it! :wink:
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