FS9 Flight Planning question

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Timmy Ferrell wrote:
> Hi all,
> Is there any way to plan a flight in FS9 flight planner to plan a
> flight pattern rather than a station to station flight?
> In other words I would like to depart and arrive at the same FBO but
> follow a preset course, much like a search pattern, or if you like a
> bombing mission.
> Even better I would like to fly, for example, 1 hour at 90', 1 hour
> 300' , and 1 hour back to my point of departure.
> TIA,
> Timmy

Why not just do it? Even in the UK you do not have to file a flight plan if
you are flying VFR and below the airways.


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>
> I think he wants to create a flight plan (GPS or FSnav???) which will
> allow the aircraft to follow a route that returns to the departure
> point. Well, maybe....

I am sure you are right, but what a waste of life :-)


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Quilljar


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"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
>> I think he wants to create a flight plan (GPS or FSnav???) which will
>> allow the aircraft to follow a route that returns to the departure
>> point. Well, maybe....
>
> I am sure you are right, but what a waste of life :-)
> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
> http://www.livtech.co.uk
Thank you for your somewhat distant and uninformed observation of my life
(or as you said "waste" thereof)..
I posted a question in this group because I had question. I thought it was a
legitmate one. It was something I was curious about. That's all.

"I think he wants to create a flight plan (GPS or FSnav???) which will
allow the aircraft to follow a route that returns to the departure
point. Well, maybe.... "

Does anyone know?
TIA,
Tim

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Quite right! No offence ever meant. I am often very rude by sheer
immaturity. I never wanted to be an airline pilot so I frequently forget
that many good blokes do. Sorry.
I'have just been quilling around Africa. It's a great place, but the default
mesh leaves a lot to be desired. Think what a superb adventure it might be
in FS10?

Cheers
Quilljar


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"Timmy Ferrell" <tferrell@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Don't take his post too seriously. He is an ex-military pilot in real
>> life
>> who now advocates simming with no rules, flight plans, or ATC control.
>>
>> *He* often forgets that there are as many ways to enjoy simming as there
>> are people who do it and as a result, sometimes makes comments that can
>> appear rather rude.
>>
>> However, as someone who has been here a few years, I can assure you that
>> he
>> didn't mean any ill will with his comment.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
> I must admit that his comments struck me a little harshly at first but he
> lives life at his own speed and I live life at my own.
> Thanks again,
> Timmy
>


Let me give this a try. The flight planner in FS as you have discovered is
not very user friendly but there is a somewhat tedious way to do what you
want.

Create a flight plan by selecting your departure airport and then select a
destination airport as close as possible to your start and let the planner
create a direct GPS route. With that done you will be in map view where you
can then zoom in at your starting location and drag the route line with the
mouse pointer to a fix that suits your needs and continue doing this until
you return to your start point. Along the way delete the waypoints from the
right side that you do not need including the destination airport. You
should then be able to create a return route. In the same window you can
move up, down, left or right with the mouse. As you drag the mouse to the
edges you will see large arrows indicating the direction the map will move.

Save the plan and try it with the gps. It should work for you and hopefully
I explained the concept to get you started.

good luck
Bill

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Didnt know that thanks. This happens even if have the start airport as the
final waypoint and then delete the destination? I really havent tried it I
kind of just made it up. I guess the best way is to make the start and
destination the same and then plot the route.

Bill


"Lakeview Bill" <bdentonchi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Along the way delete the waypoints from the right side that you do not
> need
> including the destination airport."
>
> Unfortunately, when you delete the destination airport, all of the
> waypoints
> are also deleted.
>
> I will write out full instructions if anybody wants them, but let me give
> some of hints for those who would like to figure it on their own.
>
> When an airport is the destination, Flight Planner uses a point that is
> roughly at the center of the airport. When departing from an airport, it
> uses your exact departure point on the airport. So, if you are departing
> from a parking area and returning to the same airport, you can zoom in to
> a
> very large scale and see the line between the parking area and the center
> of
> the airport. You can then grab that line and go.
>
> Make sure you have all of the following visible: airports, VOR's, NDB's,
> and
> intersections. This gives you plenty of points to "hook" as you build your
> plan.
>
> Good luck...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "William" <alone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:J8hAe.46715$qm.31222@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Timmy Ferrell" <tferrell@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news1hAe.3718$B52.3288@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>> >
>> >> Don't take his post too seriously. He is an ex-military pilot in real
>> >> life
>> >> who now advocates simming with no rules, flight plans, or ATC control.
>> >>
>> >> *He* often forgets that there are as many ways to enjoy simming as
> there
>> >> are people who do it and as a result, sometimes makes comments that
>> >> can
>> >> appear rather rude.
>> >>
>> >> However, as someone who has been here a few years, I can assure you
> that
>> >> he
>> >> didn't mean any ill will with his comment.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Peter
>> > I must admit that his comments struck me a little harshly at first but
> he
>> > lives life at his own speed and I live life at my own.
>> > Thanks again,
>> > Timmy
>> >
>>
>>
>> Let me give this a try. The flight planner in FS as you have discovered
>> is
>> not very user friendly but there is a somewhat tedious way to do what you
>> want.
>>
>> Create a flight plan by selecting your departure airport and then select
>> a
>> destination airport as close as possible to your start and let the
>> planner
>> create a direct GPS route. With that done you will be in map view where
> you
>> can then zoom in at your starting location and drag the route line with
> the
>> mouse pointer to a fix that suits your needs and continue doing this
>> until
>> you return to your start point. Along the way delete the waypoints from
> the
>> right side that you do not need including the destination airport. You
>> should then be able to create a return route. In the same window you can
>> move up, down, left or right with the mouse. As you drag the mouse to the
>> edges you will see large arrows indicating the direction the map will
> move.
>>
>> Save the plan and try it with the gps. It should work for you and
> hopefully
>> I explained the concept to get you started.
>>
>> good luck
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:29:26 GMT, "Wim Dijkgraaf"
<wim.dijkgraaf@pandora.be> brought the following to our attention:

>With the flight planner you can plan a flight from your airport to the
>nearest and extend your flight to whatever point you want. Coming back you
>ask ATC to change to your own airport.
>
>With FSNAV it's easier, set your plan from your airport and go around to
>whatever point you want and return to your airport. The only thing you have
>to do is that the landing point should be a few yards before your starting
>point.
>
>With a littlebit of fantasie (easy for VA pilots) you can make it.
>
>Happy flying.
>
>Wim Dijkgraaf
>Belgium


Thanks for this comment.. was confident FSNav could create and
execute such a route without much difficulty but haven't tried [to do]
it as yet.

If user was to analyze and make tables of fuel flow, v_rates, and air
speeds for their type based on GW and ALTs [to climb].. then FSNav
will return fairly accurate fuel loads, times, BoDs, etc. Certainly we
already know when to begin descent..yes?


-Gregory



p.s. have you tried to edit nodes in FSNav for tricky approach
profiles.. over terrain for instance? i.e. Medford Rogue?

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Well I decided to try this as an experiment....two things

1) Making the dep and dest airport the same and a gps route...I was unable
to get any red line route to drag and build waypoints. Started from a runway
and parking gate and no line showed. So this method hasnt worked so far.
Will keep tinkering

2) When I selected a different destination airport I was able to build a
route all the way back to the start point, but the planner does not allow
for the destination airport to be deleted, which makes sense. So it can be
done this way and then disengage the AP when reaching back to the original
airport.

Bill


"Lakeview Bill" <bdentonchi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wYsAe.221$dX5.93@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> "Along the way delete the waypoints from the right side that you do not
> need
> including the destination airport."
>
> Unfortunately, when you delete the destination airport, all of the
> waypoints
> are also deleted.
>
> I will write out full instructions if anybody wants them, but let me give
> some of hints for those who would like to figure it on their own.
>
> When an airport is the destination, Flight Planner uses a point that is
> roughly at the center of the airport. When departing from an airport, it
> uses your exact departure point on the airport. So, if you are departing
> from a parking area and returning to the same airport, you can zoom in to
> a
> very large scale and see the line between the parking area and the center
> of
> the airport. You can then grab that line and go.
>
> Make sure you have all of the following visible: airports, VOR's, NDB's,
> and
> intersections. This gives you plenty of points to "hook" as you build your
> plan.
>
> Good luck...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "William" <alone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:J8hAe.46715$qm.31222@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Timmy Ferrell" <tferrell@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news1hAe.3718$B52.3288@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>> >
>> >> Don't take his post too seriously. He is an ex-military pilot in real
>> >> life
>> >> who now advocates simming with no rules, flight plans, or ATC control.
>> >>
>> >> *He* often forgets that there are as many ways to enjoy simming as
> there
>> >> are people who do it and as a result, sometimes makes comments that
>> >> can
>> >> appear rather rude.
>> >>
>> >> However, as someone who has been here a few years, I can assure you
> that
>> >> he
>> >> didn't mean any ill will with his comment.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Peter
>> > I must admit that his comments struck me a little harshly at first but
> he
>> > lives life at his own speed and I live life at my own.
>> > Thanks again,
>> > Timmy
>> >
>>
>>
>> Let me give this a try. The flight planner in FS as you have discovered
>> is
>> not very user friendly but there is a somewhat tedious way to do what you
>> want.
>>
>> Create a flight plan by selecting your departure airport and then select
>> a
>> destination airport as close as possible to your start and let the
>> planner
>> create a direct GPS route. With that done you will be in map view where
> you
>> can then zoom in at your starting location and drag the route line with
> the
>> mouse pointer to a fix that suits your needs and continue doing this
>> until
>> you return to your start point. Along the way delete the waypoints from
> the
>> right side that you do not need including the destination airport. You
>> should then be able to create a return route. In the same window you can
>> move up, down, left or right with the mouse. As you drag the mouse to the
>> edges you will see large arrows indicating the direction the map will
> move.
>>
>> Save the plan and try it with the gps. It should work for you and
> hopefully
>> I explained the concept to get you started.
>>
>> good luck
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>

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"Timmy Ferrell" <tferrell@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
> Is there any way to plan a flight in FS9 flight planner to plan a flight
> pattern rather than a station to station flight?
No........
Would be nice to be able to set your own (anywhere on the map) waypoints.
> In other words I would like to depart and arrive at the same FBO but
follow
> a preset course, much like a search pattern, or if you like a bombing
> mission.
> Even better I would like to fly, for example, 1 hour at 90', 1 hour 300'
,
> and 1 hour back to my point of departure.
> TIA,
> Timmy
>
>