password doesn't control access

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"Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I have a computer running windows 98 SE and I want to password protect it.

Set a password using the BIOS Setup program.

>I set the password in control panel/passwords

That doesn't protect the computer.
That is designed to protect a User profile in Windows.

> but on logon I can simply press
> cancel on the password dialog and windows will continue to load. How can I
> cause the password to be required for access?
> Thanx

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"Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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> "Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> >I set the password in control panel/passwords
>
> That doesn't protect the computer.
> That is designed to protect a User profile in Windows.

Doesn't do that, either, <eg>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

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You can't natively. You can however use MVP Doug Knox' method, as shown here:
http://www.dougknox.com/security/validated.htm

Follow the instructions carefully, lest you lock yourself out of the computer.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I have a computer running windows 98 SE and I want to password protect it. I
> set the password in control panel/passwords but on logon I can simply press
> cancel on the password dialog and windows will continue to load. How can I
> cause the password to be required for access?
> Thanx

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> "Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> > >I set the password in control panel/passwords
> >
> > That doesn't protect the computer.
> > That is designed to protect a User profile in Windows.
>
> Doesn't do that, either, <eg>.

Correctomundo. It is rudimentary protection.

The fact that it is designed for a specific purpose
does not mean that it is successful in accomplishing it.
I realise that, all too well, and choose my words carefully,
making sure not to claim that it was guaranteed protection.

Alas, you almost have to write a book these days
to cover all the nuances, extensions, extrapolations
and whathaveyous.

There is no such thing as a secure computer.

You can put it in a bank vault type environment,
with UPS and surge protection galore,
behind umpteen hardware and software firewalls,
with BIOS and OS passwords activated, running
on RAID, with no floppy drive, no Internet access,
and no additional software ever being installed,
and it is still vulnerable, and always will be.

Operator error, operator vandalism, robbery,
lack of surge protection between the power supply unit
and the delicate electronics and software bugs
are just a few of the possible insecurities.

Security is an unattainable goal. Sensible protection
and a disaster recovery plan that has been tested
and proven to work are more practical tactics.

There, that takes care of the book cover blurb.

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"Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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<SNIP>
>
> Security is an unattainable goal. Sensible protection
> and a disaster recovery plan that has been tested
> and proven to work are more practical tactics.
>
> There, that takes care of the book cover blurb.
>

OK, there's the blurb, where's the book? Hop on it, man, <g>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

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Hi,
After reading the original poster, then reading glee's response followed by
Hugh and Garys, it forces me to ask this question:::
"How is the average 'mum n' dad' supposed to set a password to
protect their kids from the obvious dangers of the internet"?

Did microsoft in its wisdom expect consumers to fully understand
BIOS the day they brought their computer home?
Sometimes I think the whole scenario of computers is totally
ridiculous due to it only ever presenting problems, even at
mums and dads levels.
Sort of makes one dive back into the book of Daniel or Ezekiel, which tells
of the problems that would be encountered by the
generation who are alive in the age that the computer is thrust upon them.

scary stuff.

regards Jane

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The same way they protect their kids from all the other dangers in
life--they pay attention to what their children are doing. And, they get
Windows XP, which *does* have some pretty significant user control built
in.

If all you're looking at are the problems people are having (which is,
after all, what this forum is all about--solving problems) then you're
engaging in tunnel vision. Yes, there are problems, even when the
computers run well. Sleep deprivation and other health threats from a
more and more sedentary lifestyle dedicated to the various addictive
pastimes to which the internet leads are probably the worst problems
caused by home PCs.

But for all its problems, there are lots and lots of good things, too. I
know, first hand, that it would have been impossible, before this level
of computer technology was reached, for my wife and I, with nearly no
additional help, to mount a publishing business based upon free
distribution of Guides to Services and Attractions, totally advertising
supported, and in less than five years be making a darned decent living
at it.

The books of Daniel and Ezekiel foresaw the age of computers?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> After reading the original poster, then reading glee's response
followed by
> Hugh and Garys, it forces me to ask this question:::
> "How is the average 'mum n' dad' supposed to set a password to
> protect their kids from the obvious dangers of the internet"?
>
> Did microsoft in its wisdom expect consumers to fully understand
> BIOS the day they brought their computer home?
> Sometimes I think the whole scenario of computers is totally
> ridiculous due to it only ever presenting problems, even at
> mums and dads levels.
> Sort of makes one dive back into the book of Daniel or Ezekiel, which
tells
> of the problems that would be encountered by the
> generation who are alive in the age that the computer is thrust upon
them.
>
> scary stuff.
>
> regards Jane
>
>

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> The books of Daniel and Ezekiel foresaw the age of computers?

Yessum.

regards Jane

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Guess I'll have to dig out Asimov's Guide to the Bible and see if he
mentions it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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> > The books of Daniel and Ezekiel foresaw the age of computers?
>
> Yessum.
>
> regards Jane
>
>

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> Guess I'll have to dig out Asimov's Guide to the Bible and see if he
> mentions it.

Trust the author, its his book.

regards Jane

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Well, since I seriously doubt the word "computer" appears in the Bible,
and I haven't the time or inclination to read the books of Daniel and
Ezekiel in their entirety, and Asimov does a very good job of
"condensing" and explaining much of the Bible in historical context, I
thought I'd refer to him first.

Unless you have some reference to the subject other than the cryptic
writings found in the Book itself?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Guess I'll have to dig out Asimov's Guide to the Bible and see if he
> > mentions it.
>
> Trust the author, its his book.
>
> regards Jane
>
>