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Anonymous
February 15, 2005 9:13:35 PM

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Hi all,
I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
frequency I am bringing it up again.
My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
beginning & end of a download from the internet.
Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little more
sinister.
I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.

Hope I get good news.......

regards Jane

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Anonymous
February 15, 2005 9:13:36 PM

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You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event? Humor
me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:%23Dxg0EzEFHA.2756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Hi all,
> I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> frequency I am bringing it up again.
> My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
> beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little more
> sinister.
> I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
> I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
>
> Hope I get good news.......
>
> regards Jane
>
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 9:13:37 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I read in a Dan Gookin (or whatever his name is)book that he had a hard
drive that made a hell of a lot of noise just before it conked out. But
to be honest mine can often be quite noisy. I have two fans inside the
system unit and a long side with various programs running it can get
quite noisy so unless it sounds like a plane taking off I wouldn't
worry about it.

Gary S. Terhune Wrote:
> You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event?
> Humor
> me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "jane" jane@internet.com wrote in message
> news:%23Dxg0EzEFHA.2756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...-
> Hi all,
> I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> frequency I am bringing it up again.
> My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
> beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little
> more
> sinister.
> I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
> I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
>
> Hope I get good news.......
>
> regards Jane
>
> -


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Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:51 PM

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> You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event? Humor
> me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> ----------------
Hi gary,
I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
(ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is definately
coming directly from the hard-drive.
It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive unit,
it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
Apart from that, comp is running fine.
Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
a hitch at all.

Thanks,

regards Jane




> > Hi all,
> > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
> > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little more
> > sinister.
> > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
> > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
> >
> > Hope I get good news.......
> >
> > regards Jane
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:52 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in any
way?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>
> > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event?
Humor
> > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> > ----------------
> Hi gary,
> I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is definately
> coming directly from the hard-drive.
> It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive unit,
> it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> a hitch at all.
>
> Thanks,
>
> regards Jane
>
>
>
>
> > > Hi all,
> > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
> > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little
more
> > > sinister.
> > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
> > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
> > >
> > > Hope I get good news.......
> > >
> > > regards Jane
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:52 PM

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Did you ever run the manufacturer's diagnostics on the drive, Jane? I don't
remember from your other posts if you ever did. Also, how old is the drive?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>
> > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event? Humor
> > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> > ----------------
> Hi gary,
> I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is definately
> coming directly from the hard-drive.
> It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive unit,
> it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> a hitch at all.
>
> Thanks,
>
> regards Jane
>
>
>
>
> > > Hi all,
> > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
> > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little more
> > > sinister.
> > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
> > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
> > >
> > > Hope I get good news.......
> > >
> > > regards Jane
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:53 PM

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Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)

....glen

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in any
> way?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >
> >
> > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event?
> Humor
> > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> > > ----------------
> > Hi gary,
> > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is definately
> > coming directly from the hard-drive.
> > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive unit,
> > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> > a hitch at all.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > regards Jane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
> > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little
> more
> > > > sinister.
> > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
> > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
> > > >
> > > > Hope I get good news.......
> > > >
> > > > regards Jane
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:54 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yup. Still trying to rescue the wife's XP system. Keep running into
snags. I was lucky in that she had it installed on FAT32. I could use a
Win98 system to copy off the bad disk to a good one (that I stole from
my system--part of a RAID array that went bad several months ago that I
never got around to repairing, switching to a 250GB Maxtor
"temporarily".)

But then, I was Unlucky in that the "Restore" disks for that system
aren't standard installation disks and wouldn't do a decent Repair of
the system (actually, I learned that on the 13th, and swapped the drive
to another machine I have in reserve), so I'm trying an MSDN disk.
Unfortunately, I have a DVD subscription, and the DVD drive in that
system is too flaky to effect a complete Repair install. So, I tried
copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the copy
finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS prompt.
So now, I'm making another installation CD from an ISO image....

And the beat goes on... (It's actually kinda nice to have a quiet
house--Wife is asleep with five poodles snuggled up against her,
daughter is finally asleep after a day of flu-like symptoms, and even
the big dog outside my window, on the porch, isn't going off at every
passing car and homeward-bound drunk like he usually does.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
>
> ...glen
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in
any
> > way?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > >
> > >
> > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
event?
> > Humor
> > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> > > > ----------------
> > > Hi gary,
> > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
definately
> > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
> > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive
unit,
> > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> > > a hitch at all.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > regards Jane
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at
the
> > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
little
> > more
> > > > > sinister.
> > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing;
What
> > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
mentioned.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope I get good news.......
> > > > >
> > > > > regards Jane
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:55 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Sounds like one of my computer adventures. ;-) The only free time I have to work
on mine is late at night/early morning. (...and here I thought NTFS was supposed to
be the "way to go" on XP systems. What prompted you to use FAT32?) <I hear Brian A
getting ready to strike>

Well, off to work here.....yeech! Get some rest in there somewhere, dude!

....glen

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Yup. Still trying to rescue the wife's XP system. Keep running into
> snags. I was lucky in that she had it installed on FAT32. I could use a
> Win98 system to copy off the bad disk to a good one (that I stole from
> my system--part of a RAID array that went bad several months ago that I
> never got around to repairing, switching to a 250GB Maxtor
> "temporarily".)
>
> But then, I was Unlucky in that the "Restore" disks for that system
> aren't standard installation disks and wouldn't do a decent Repair of
> the system (actually, I learned that on the 13th, and swapped the drive
> to another machine I have in reserve), so I'm trying an MSDN disk.
> Unfortunately, I have a DVD subscription, and the DVD drive in that
> system is too flaky to effect a complete Repair install. So, I tried
> copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the copy
> finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS prompt.
> So now, I'm making another installation CD from an ISO image....
>
> And the beat goes on... (It's actually kinda nice to have a quiet
> house--Wife is asleep with five poodles snuggled up against her,
> daughter is finally asleep after a day of flu-like symptoms, and even
> the big dog outside my window, on the porch, isn't going off at every
> passing car and homeward-bound drunk like he usually does.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
> >
> > ...glen
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in
> any
> > > way?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS MVP Shell/User
> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> > >
> > > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
> event?
> > > Humor
> > > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> > > > > ----------------
> > > > Hi gary,
> > > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> > > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
> definately
> > > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
> > > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive
> unit,
> > > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> > > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> > > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> > > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> > > > a hitch at all.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > regards Jane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
> > > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at
> the
> > > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
> little
> > > more
> > > > > > sinister.
> > > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing;
> What
> > > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
> mentioned.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope I get good news.......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards Jane
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:55 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> So, I tried
> copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the copy
> finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS prompt.

IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once this way
after copying 1386 to a drive:
Boot with a 98 boot disk
Change to the drive that has i386
Change to the i386 folder
Type in winnt
The Setup should begin.

I know I saved an article on this and will take a quick peek to locate/post
it.


> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
>>
>> ...glen
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in
> any
>> > way?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS MVP Shell/User
>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>> >
>> > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
>> > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
> event?
>> > Humor
>> > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
>> > > > ----------------
>> > > Hi gary,
>> > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
>> > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
> definately
>> > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
>> > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive
> unit,
>> > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
>> > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
>> > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
>> > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
>> > > a hitch at all.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > regards Jane
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > Hi all,
>> > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
>> > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
>> > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at
> the
>> > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
>> > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
> little
>> > more
>> > > > > sinister.
>> > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing;
> What
>> > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
> mentioned.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hope I get good news.......
>> > > > >
>> > > > > regards Jane
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:56 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I didn't choose the FAT32 install. It came that way. And my wife doesn't
let me touch her system or even tell her what to do--until she gets into
trouble.

If it had been an NTFS system, I still would have chosen a Win98 system
to work from, but I would have used R-Studio to snag the files instead.
With FAT32 and Win98 Copy, I avoided the delays inherent in reading a
screwed up drive at low level--reams of log stating that "after ten
tries, disk couldn't be read starting at 43445568907" or whatever. Win98
is blissfully unaware of such garbage and is also nice enough to not try
to write anything to the disk.

Had three calls from clients, yesterday, with odd hardware problems,
always accompanied by signs of virus. Had to tell them to get in line

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:e1mhIc1EFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Sounds like one of my computer adventures. ;-) The only free time I
have to work
> on mine is late at night/early morning. (...and here I thought NTFS
was supposed to
> be the "way to go" on XP systems. What prompted you to use FAT32?) <I
hear Brian A
> getting ready to strike>
>
> Well, off to work here.....yeech! Get some rest in there somewhere,
dude!
>
> ...glen
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Yup. Still trying to rescue the wife's XP system. Keep running into
> > snags. I was lucky in that she had it installed on FAT32. I could
use a
> > Win98 system to copy off the bad disk to a good one (that I stole
from
> > my system--part of a RAID array that went bad several months ago
that I
> > never got around to repairing, switching to a 250GB Maxtor
> > "temporarily".)
> >
> > But then, I was Unlucky in that the "Restore" disks for that system
> > aren't standard installation disks and wouldn't do a decent Repair
of
> > the system (actually, I learned that on the 13th, and swapped the
drive
> > to another machine I have in reserve), so I'm trying an MSDN disk.
> > Unfortunately, I have a DVD subscription, and the DVD drive in that
> > system is too flaky to effect a complete Repair install. So, I tried
> > copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the
copy
> > finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS
prompt.
> > So now, I'm making another installation CD from an ISO image....
> >
> > And the beat goes on... (It's actually kinda nice to have a quiet
> > house--Wife is asleep with five poodles snuggled up against her,
> > daughter is finally asleep after a day of flu-like symptoms, and
even
> > the big dog outside my window, on the porch, isn't going off at
every
> > passing car and homeward-bound drunk like he usually does.)
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
> > >
> > > ...glen
> > >
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > > news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior
in
> > any
> > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > MS MVP Shell/User
> > > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> > > >
> > > > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
> > event?
> > > > Humor
> > > > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> > > > > > ----------------
> > > > > Hi gary,
> > > > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> > > > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
> > definately
> > > > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
> > > > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the
hard-drive
> > unit,
> > > > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> > > > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> > > > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> > > > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> > > > > a hitch at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > regards Jane
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to
increase in
> > > > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> > > > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but
Only at
> > the
> > > > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> > > > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
> > little
> > > > more
> > > > > > > sinister.
> > > > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need
replacing;
> > What
> > > > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
> > mentioned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope I get good news.......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards Jane
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:56 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Perhaps I did use the XP CD as stated in the article to copy files which
ICR, yet here it is:
How to start the Setup program from MS-DOS in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-...


From the article section:

Starting the Windows XP Setup program at a command prompt

To start Windows XP at a command prompt, follow these steps:

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:ebiYHX6EFHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> So, I tried
>> copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the copy
>> finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS prompt.
>
> IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once this
> way after copying 1386 to a drive:
> Boot with a 98 boot disk
> Change to the drive that has i386
> Change to the i386 folder
> Type in winnt
> The Setup should begin.
>
> I know I saved an article on this and will take a quick peek to
> locate/post it.
>
>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS MVP Shell/User
>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>
>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
>>>
>>> ...glen
>>>
>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in
>> any
>>> > way?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Gary S. Terhune
>>> > MS MVP Shell/User
>>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>> >
>>> > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
>> event?
>>> > Humor
>>> > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
>>> > > > ----------------
>>> > > Hi gary,
>>> > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
>>> > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
>> definately
>>> > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
>>> > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive
>> unit,
>>> > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
>>> > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
>>> > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
>>> > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
>>> > > a hitch at all.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks,
>>> > >
>>> > > regards Jane
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > > Hi all,
>>> > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
>>> > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
>>> > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at
>> the
>>> > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
>>> > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
>> little
>>> > more
>>> > > > > sinister.
>>> > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing;
>> What
>>> > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
>> mentioned.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Hope I get good news.......
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > regards Jane
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
Anonymous
February 15, 2005 11:03:57 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Well, I'm beyond that now. But I'll try to remember for next time.
Finally got hardware and everything else squared away, with some nice
new errors (to me) for me to remember when I migrate to XP Support, <g>.
Now I'm installing SP2--6th try. Looks like it's going to work this
time, knock on wood...

If I'd only been more persistent in convincing The Boss to let me do a
complete reinstall from scratch, I'd be right about where I am now,
except I'd know the score! (Of course, her point is that she wouldn't
know her machine--and since she's the family accountant, besides being
The Boss, I'm not going to argue with her!)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:ubytTp6EFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Perhaps I did use the XP CD as stated in the article to copy files
which
> ICR, yet here it is:
> How to start the Setup program from MS-DOS in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-...
>
>
> From the article section:
>
> Starting the Windows XP Setup program at a command prompt
>
> To start Windows XP at a command prompt, follow these steps:
>
> --
>
> Brian A.
>
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:ebiYHX6EFHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> So, I tried
> >> copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the
copy
> >> finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS
prompt.
> >
> > IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once
this
> > way after copying 1386 to a drive:
> > Boot with a 98 boot disk
> > Change to the drive that has i386
> > Change to the i386 folder
> > Type in winnt
> > The Setup should begin.
> >
> > I know I saved an article on this and will take a quick peek to
> > locate/post it.
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS MVP Shell/User
> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>
> >> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >>> Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
> >>>
> >>> ...glen
> >>>
> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >>> news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >>> > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior
in
> >> any
> >>> > way?
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Gary S. Terhune
> >>> > MS MVP Shell/User
> >>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>> >
> >>> > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
> >> event?
> >>> > Humor
> >>> > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> >>> > > > ----------------
> >>> > > Hi gary,
> >>> > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> >>> > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
> >> definately
> >>> > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
> >>> > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the
hard-drive
> >> unit,
> >>> > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> >>> > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> >>> > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> >>> > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> >>> > > a hitch at all.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > regards Jane
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > > Hi all,
> >>> > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to
increase in
> >>> > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
> >>> > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but
Only at
> >> the
> >>> > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> >>> > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
> >> little
> >>> > more
> >>> > > > > sinister.
> >>> > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need
replacing;
> >> What
> >>> > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
> >> mentioned.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > Hope I get good news.......
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > regards Jane
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 7:47:30 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Someone once posted that removing the "sides" may disrupt the proper
flow of air from the fan(s). It may be true, as I ran that way for over
a month, wanting to do something in there I never ended up doing. I
THINK I may have noticed freezing activity before I finally closed the
box. (But I do not recall noisiness.)

Anyway, better get the diagnostic software. (Also, Scandisk/Defrag
sounded sensible. But you did that often enough.)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
|
|
| > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound event?
Humor
| > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
| > ----------------
| Hi gary,
| I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
| (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is definately
| coming directly from the hard-drive.
| It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive unit,
| it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
| finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
| Apart from that, comp is running fine.
| Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
| a hitch at all.
|
| Thanks,
|
| regards Jane
|
|
|
|
| > > Hi all,
| > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
| > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
| > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at the
| > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
| > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a little
more
| > > sinister.
| > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing; What
| > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as mentioned.
| > >
| > > Hope I get good news.......
| > >
| > > regards Jane
| > >
| > >
| >
|
|
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:32:56 AM

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:o #i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in any
> way?

Hi,
I defrag about once a week, will try it when I get home tonight too.

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:36:04 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

> Did you ever run the manufacturer's diagnostics on the drive, Jane? I
don't
> remember from your other posts if you ever did. Also, how old is the
drive?

Hi glen,
No, cant say that I have ever run manufacturers diagnostics.
Went to Western Digitals site once with details from my sales-slip,
but couldnt find my drive. I will have to poke around inside the box
and find more info then go to the site again.
The drive would be about 4 years old.
My sales slip states it is:::
"W/Digital 40gig IDE ATA/100 HDD".

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:36:05 AM

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Jane,

Get Everest Home Edition, a system diagnostics program that is free and
quite comprehensive. It will display your entire system's hardware and
software configuration, including the make, model, and serial number for
your hard disk.

http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang...

After you install and run it, then return to the WD site to obtain the
proper utilities. Hope this helps.

Fred


jane wrote:
>>Did you ever run the manufacturer's diagnostics on the drive, Jane? I
>
> don't
>
>>remember from your other posts if you ever did. Also, how old is the
>
> drive?
>
> Hi glen,
> No, cant say that I have ever run manufacturers diagnostics.
> Went to Western Digitals site once with details from my sales-slip,
> but couldnt find my drive. I will have to poke around inside the box
> and find more info then go to the site again.
> The drive would be about 4 years old.
> My sales slip states it is:::
> "W/Digital 40gig IDE ATA/100 HDD".
>
> regards Jane
>
>
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:42:19 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I use various diagnostic programs on my pc and it does not make it any
less noisy. If anything it gives the hard drive something to be noisy
about.


Gary S. Terhune Wrote:
> Well, I'm beyond that now. But I'll try to remember for next time.
> Finally got hardware and everything else squared away, with some nice
> new errors (to me) for me to remember when I migrate to XP Support, g.
> Now I'm installing SP2--6th try. Looks like it's going to work this
> time, knock on wood...
>
> If I'd only been more persistent in convincing The Boss to let me do a
> complete reinstall from scratch, I'd be right about where I am now,
> except I'd know the score! (Of course, her point is that she wouldn't
> know her machine--and since she's the family accountant, besides being
> The Boss, I'm not going to argue with her!)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
> news:ubytTp6EFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...-
> Perhaps I did use the XP CD as stated in the article to copy files-
> which-
> ICR, yet here it is:
> How to start the Setup program from MS-DOS in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-...
>
>
> From the article section:
>
> Starting the Windows XP Setup program at a command prompt
>
> To start Windows XP at a command prompt, follow these steps:
>
> --
>
> Brian A.
>
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
> news:ebiYHX6EFHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...-
> "Gary S. Terhune" grystnews@mvps.org wrote in message
> news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...-
> So, I tried
> copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the---
> copy---
> finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS---
> prompt.--
>
> IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once--
> this--
> way after copying 1386 to a drive:
> Boot with a 98 boot disk
> Change to the drive that has i386
> Change to the i386 folder
> Type in winnt
> The Setup should begin.
>
> I know I saved an article on this and will take a quick peek to
> locate/post it.
>
> -
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "glee" glee29@spamindspring.com wrote in message
> news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
>
> ...glen
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" grystnews@mvps.org wrote in message
> news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior---
> in---
> any
> way?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "jane" jane@internet.com wrote in message
> news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>
> You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
> event?
> Humor
> me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
> ----------------
> Hi gary,
> I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
> (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
> definately
> coming directly from the hard-drive.
> It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the---
> hard-drive---
> unit,
> it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
> finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
> Apart from that, comp is running fine.
> Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
> a hitch at all.
>
> Thanks,
>
> regards Jane
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to---
> increase in---
> frequency I am bringing it up again.
> My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but---
> Only at---
> the
> beginning & end of a download from the internet.
> Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
> little
> more
> sinister.
> I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need---
> replacing;---
> What
> I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
> mentioned.
>
> Hope I get good news.......
>
> regards Jane
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> -
> -


--
PSYCHOPIXIE
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 11:32:22 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote:


>
>Hi glen,
>No, cant say that I have ever run manufacturers diagnostics.
>Went to Western Digitals site once with details from my sales-slip,
>but couldnt find my drive. I will have to poke around inside the box
>and find more info then go to the site again.
>The drive would be about 4 years old.
>My sales slip states it is:::
>"W/Digital 40gig IDE ATA/100 HDD".
>
>regards Jane
>

Hi Jane.

What you need is Western Digital's Data Lifeguard. Get it from
http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&swid=1

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 11:42:13 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

The WD diagnostics will cover a large range of drives, so you won't
necessarily find your drive mentioned. Just choose the one that looks most
likely. You can base it on the size of the drive, as that roughly indicates
the age.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:%23J8qLF6EFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>snip <
>
> Hi glen,
> No, cant say that I have ever run manufacturers diagnostics.
> Went to Western Digitals site once with details from my sales-slip,
> but couldnt find my drive. I will have to poke around inside the box
> and find more info then go to the site again.
> The drive would be about 4 years old.
> My sales slip states it is:::
> "W/Digital 40gig IDE ATA/100 HDD".
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 11:42:14 AM

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"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:%23J8qLF6EFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> Went to Western Digitals site once with details from my sales-slip,
> but couldnt find my drive. I will have to poke around inside the box
> and find more info then go to the site again.
> The drive would be about 4 years old.
> My sales slip states it is:::
> "W/Digital 40gig IDE ATA/100 HDD".

I'm pretty sure this is the file you want

http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&pid=4&...
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:10:27 PM

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> IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once this
way

Hi Brian,
what the flippin' heck is IIRC?
I have seen this written before, in this group and elsewhere but have
no idea what it means.

thanks

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:10:28 PM

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If I remember correctly, IIRC is if I remember correctly. How's that,
Jane? :-)

jane wrote:
>> IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once this
way
>
> Hi Brian,
> what the flippin' heck is IIRC?
> I have seen this written before, in this group and elsewhere but have
> no idea what it means.
>
> thanks
>
> regards Jane
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:10:28 PM

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I always think of it as "If I recall correctly."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once
this
> way
>
> Hi Brian,
> what the flippin' heck is IIRC?
> I have seen this written before, in this group and elsewhere but have
> no idea what it means.
>
> thanks
>
> regards Jane
>
>
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:10:29 PM

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Well, you do tend to be a bit more formal (on occasion) than some of us
youngins in here!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> I always think of it as "If I recall correctly."
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> news:o ELxIJAFFHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>> IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once
> this
>> way
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>> what the flippin' heck is IIRC?
>> I have seen this written before, in this group and elsewhere but have
>> no idea what it means.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> regards Jane
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:10:29 PM

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> I always think of it as "If I recall correctly."
>
Well, then,
If I really cared
and
If I read correctly
and
If It really counts
then please be advised that
according to the
Internet Information Research Center
[that's me]
IIRC can stand for
If I recall correctly
or it can mean
If I remember correctly

Isn't it really cool?
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:16:40 PM

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Thank you for that Hugh.
Just a 1% question, what if this one isnt actually to do with mine?

Hey, guess what. That download was actually a little quieter than
the last couple of weeks worth, I like good news.

regards Jane

"Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> news:%23J8qLF6EFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Went to Western Digitals site once with details from my sales-slip,
> > but couldnt find my drive. I will have to poke around inside the box
> > and find more info then go to the site again.
> > The drive would be about 4 years old.
> > My sales slip states it is:::
> > "W/Digital 40gig IDE ATA/100 HDD".
>
> I'm pretty sure this is the file you want
>
> http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&pid=4&...
>
>
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 10:16:41 PM

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"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you for that Hugh.
> Just a 1% question, what if this one isnt actually to do with mine?
>
It will determine that and advise you that you need an earlier version.

That is what it did to me. I used the software that came
with my most recently-purchased drive on an earlier-purchased drive,
and it balked, telling me that I needed an earlier version.

You dont have to use that version. You can start at
http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n
and make your own selection based on the actual drive
that you are trying to diagnose.

> Hey, guess what. That download was actually a little quieter than
> the last couple of weeks worth, I like good news.

It may be good. Or, it may be that the head actuators
are weakening and your drive is that much closer to failure.

Or there may be nothing wrong with the drive,
and it will not fail for months or years.

Nobody knows.

A drive could get a clean bill of health today,
and be dead tomorrow.
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:02:41 AM

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> If I remember correctly, IIRC is if I remember correctly. How's that,
> Jane? :-)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh,
Thank you.

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:51 AM

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"> Someone once posted that removing the "sides" may disrupt the proper
> flow of air from the fan(s). It may be true, as I ran that way for over
> a month, wanting to do something in there I never ended up doing. I
> THINK I may have noticed freezing activity before I finally closed the
> box. (But I do not recall noisiness.)
>
> Anyway, better get the diagnostic software. (Also, Scandisk/Defrag
> sounded sensible. But you did that often enough.)


Yes, I reckon I have Defrag etc on a reasonable schedule, along with other
sensible measures.
Hey, guess what PCR, the flippin' fan is just as noisy too now as it
was when I got the computer guy to spray it with the 'special gunk'.
Anyway, the sides have been off ever since that day. We havent had
any hot weather worth mentioning either since then.
I have also left the sides off for familiarisation of inner components
due to my computer course coming up in the near future at the time.
(its here now and boy is it intense from day one.........!)(am loving it).
(be as clever as dan soon.......)

I mentioned in earlier post that I heard a friends HDD today, it sounded
sort of similar. His side was off too.
I had better run the diagnostic tool from W/D before I continue thread,
got to eliminate things first.

thanks pcr,

regards Jane

(ps, my desktops great)
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:52 AM

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"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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>
> Anyway, the sides have been off ever since that day. We havent had
> any hot weather worth mentioning either since then.
> I have also left the sides off for familiarisation of inner components
> due to my computer course coming up in the near future at the time.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.wi...

> I mentioned in earlier post that I heard a friends HDD today, it sounded
> sort of similar. His side was off too.

You are both shortening the life of your electronic components.
Heat is the top threat, as it is always present, and therefore
poses more of an immediate threat than power surges or static.

> I had better run the diagnostic tool from W/D before I continue thread,
> got to eliminate things first.

Start with heat.

> regards Jane
>
> (ps, my desktops great)

You seem to go out of your way to look for trouble.
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:52 AM

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"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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|
| "> Someone once posted that removing the "sides" may disrupt the
proper
| > flow of air from the fan(s). It may be true, as I ran that way for
over
| > a month, wanting to do something in there I never ended up doing. I
| > THINK I may have noticed freezing activity before I finally closed
the
| > box. (But I do not recall noisiness.)
| >
| > Anyway, better get the diagnostic software. (Also, Scandisk/Defrag
| > sounded sensible. But you did that often enough.)
|
|
| Yes, I reckon I have Defrag etc on a reasonable schedule, along with
other
| sensible measures.

One Thing: Don't let Scandisk/Defrag constantly restart. You know that?

| Hey, guess what PCR, the flippin' fan is just as noisy too now as it
| was when I got the computer guy to spray it with the 'special gunk'.
| Anyway, the sides have been off ever since that day. We havent had
| any hot weather worth mentioning either since then.

Candlin is gruff, but it seems reasonable to put those sides back on as
he says. I leave it in Colorado's capable hands to tone him down a notch
in language, though. He has PLONKED me, I believe!

| I have also left the sides off for familiarisation of inner components
| due to my computer course coming up in the near future at the time.
| (its here now and boy is it intense from day one.........!)(am loving
it).
| (be as clever as dan soon.......)

Good! (I expect Dan to be flame-throwed to death upon return.)

|
| I mentioned in earlier post that I heard a friends HDD today, it
sounded
| sort of similar. His side was off too.
| I had better run the diagnostic tool from W/D before I continue
thread,
| got to eliminate things first.

OK. Here is something else...

http://www.pcmag.com/ 's

"DiskAction" reports the last 12 processes that access any partition. It
discovered the MS Critical Update Notification Tool was accessing my
HDD every five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel,
Add/Remove Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on
your own.

"BHOCop" found a Browser Helper Object called Wavehelper Class, created
by "Wavetop", that was building a monstrosity of an error log called
"Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

Now, my hard drive is quieter than my mouse. (Of course, I now also have
384 MB RAM, up from an initial 64, eliminating Swap File activity.)

|
| thanks pcr,

You are welcome.

|
| regards Jane
|
| (ps, my desktops great)

Very lovely, yea.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:53 AM

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Hugh Candlin wrote:
> "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> news:eyH7dWBFFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Anyway, the sides have been off ever since that day. We havent had
>> any hot weather worth mentioning either since then.
>> I have also left the sides off for familiarisation of inner components
>> due to my computer course coming up in the near future at the time.
>
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.wi...
g/414bce29100750f4
>
>> I mentioned in earlier post that I heard a friends HDD today, it sounded
>> sort of similar. His side was off too.
>
> You are both shortening the life of your electronic components.
> Heat is the top threat, as it is always present, and therefore
> poses more of an immediate threat than power surges or static.
>
>> I had better run the diagnostic tool from W/D before I continue thread,
>> got to eliminate things first.
>
> Start with heat.
>
>> regards Jane
>>
>> (ps, my desktops great)
>
> You seem to go out of your way to look for trouble.

Jane sounds like an Alpha to me. Nuttin wrong with that! :-)
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:54 AM

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"Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jane sounds like an Alpha to me. Nuttin wrong with that! :-)

She Beta change before she ends up without an Iota
of data on that Mekong Delta she calls a Desktop.

Pi in the sky, if you ask me, but what else is Nu?
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:55 AM

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<groan> Not bad, really,but I bet you can do beta, <g>!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e%23G$R9EFFHA.2756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Jane sounds like an Alpha to me. Nuttin wrong with that! :-)
>
> She Beta change before she ends up without an Iota
> of data on that Mekong Delta she calls a Desktop.
>
> Pi in the sky, if you ask me, but what else is Nu?
>
>
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:28:56 AM

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> <groan> Not bad, really,but I bet you can do beta, <g>!
>
I'd have to get cosmological.

You know, leptons, quarks, gauge bosons, that sort of thing.

Gotta be careful.......
Anonymous
February 17, 2005 5:03:50 PM

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A good attorney will always have you use the word recall. In the legal
point of view, there's a huge difference between remember and recall, not
that it makes any difference here.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
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>I always think of it as "If I recall correctly."
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
> news:o ELxIJAFFHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> > IIRC you can by accessing the i386 folder, I believe I did it once
> this
>> way
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>> what the flippin' heck is IIRC?
>> I have seen this written before, in this group and elsewhere but have
>> no idea what it means.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> regards Jane
>>
>>
>
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 1:04:27 AM

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clik clik, cliK cliK,clIK clIK, cLIK cLIK, CLIK CLIK.
creeeeeeeaaaaaaaack.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like one of my computer adventures. ;-) The only free time I have
> to work
> on mine is late at night/early morning. (...and here I thought NTFS was
> supposed to
> be the "way to go" on XP systems. What prompted you to use FAT32?) <I
> hear Brian A
> getting ready to strike>
>
> Well, off to work here.....yeech! Get some rest in there somewhere, dude!
>
> ...glen
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23j9uYT1EFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Yup. Still trying to rescue the wife's XP system. Keep running into
>> snags. I was lucky in that she had it installed on FAT32. I could use a
>> Win98 system to copy off the bad disk to a good one (that I stole from
>> my system--part of a RAID array that went bad several months ago that I
>> never got around to repairing, switching to a 250GB Maxtor
>> "temporarily".)
>>
>> But then, I was Unlucky in that the "Restore" disks for that system
>> aren't standard installation disks and wouldn't do a decent Repair of
>> the system (actually, I learned that on the 13th, and swapped the drive
>> to another machine I have in reserve), so I'm trying an MSDN disk.
>> Unfortunately, I have a DVD subscription, and the DVD drive in that
>> system is too flaky to effect a complete Repair install. So, I tried
>> copying the files to the HD, only remembering about the time the copy
>> finished (after an hour) that you can't run XP setup from a DOS prompt.
>> So now, I'm making another installation CD from an ISO image....
>>
>> And the beat goes on... (It's actually kinda nice to have a quiet
>> house--Wife is asleep with five poodles snuggled up against her,
>> daughter is finally asleep after a day of flu-like symptoms, and even
>> the big dog outside my window, on the porch, isn't going off at every
>> passing car and homeward-bound drunk like he usually does.)
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS MVP Shell/User
>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>
>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:o oGQTL1EFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > Pulling another all-nighter, Gary? ;-)
>> >
>> > ...glen
>> >
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:o %23i8aF1EFHA.3672@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > > How often do you defrag, and does a defrag change the behavior in
>> any
>> > > way?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Gary S. Terhune
>> > > MS MVP Shell/User
>> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>> > >
>> > > "jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:u8HebC0EFHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > You're sure it's your hard drive and not a programmed sound
>> event?
>> > > Humor
>> > > > > me--mute your volume control and see if it still happens.
>> > > > > ----------------
>> > > > Hi gary,
>> > > > I have had the sides off of the box for around two weeks now..
>> > > > (ever since i had that prob' with the fans etc) and it is
>> definately
>> > > > coming directly from the hard-drive.
>> > > > It is sort of like a "knocking" sound from within the hard-drive
>> unit,
>> > > > it knocks about 4 times as download starts and similar when it
>> > > > finishes............. odd wouldnt you say?
>> > > > Apart from that, comp is running fine.
>> > > > Also, the downloads themselves reach their destination without
>> > > > a hitch at all.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > > regards Jane
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > > Hi all,
>> > > > > > I think I may have mentioned this prior but due to increase in
>> > > > > > frequency I am bringing it up again.
>> > > > > > My hard drive is making a sort of 'knocking sound' but Only at
>> the
>> > > > > > beginning & end of a download from the internet.
>> > > > > > Is this something that is 'normal' at times or something a
>> little
>> > > more
>> > > > > > sinister.
>> > > > > > I do understand that like spark-plugs, things need replacing;
>> What
>> > > > > > I dont understand is the 'knocking' only occuring as
>> mentioned.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hope I get good news.......
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > regards Jane
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:44:21 AM

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> Isn't it really cool?
>

he he......... you ppl crack me up.
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:47:22 AM

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> A drive could get a clean bill of health today,
> and be dead tomorrow.
>


Hmmmm, I dont know whether to Kiss you or Shooot you.

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:47:23 AM

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"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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> > A drive could get a clean bill of health today,
> > and be dead tomorrow.
>
> Hmmmm, I dont know whether to Kiss you or Shooot you.
>
> regards Jane

Cigarettes kill, yet people smoke.
Liquor kills, yet people drink.
Speed kills, yet.........
ad infinitum

Hard drives die, sometimes abruptly,
yet people don't backup their data files,
then get really mad when we cannot tell them
how to make their computer boot "just one more time"
so that they can save their "irreplaceable" data files,
or pictures of the grandchildren,
or their expense reports and tax information,
or their treasured Milli Vanilli rips.

Why shoot ME. I'm not the problem.
Hard drive usable life isn't the problem either.

Frugality, laziness, lack of education on the subject.

Those are problems, so I addressed the one
that I can address and potentially impact.

I'll say it again. Slowly, deliberately, and clearly.
Tomorrow morning, your PC may not boot.

I won't say this then, but I will say it now.......

!!! I told you so. !!!
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:51:11 AM

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>
> You seem to go out of your way to look for trouble.


I am English, I married an Australian,,,,,,,, does that tell you
how far out of my way I have gone looking for trouble. !
would take 5 sunamies to top that.

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:53:58 AM

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> Pi in the sky, if you ask me, but what else is Nu?

Lennon said 'Pi in the sky' gave him name for Be-atles, he
seemed to do okay.

regards Jane

(til merican gov shot him)
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 3:58:56 AM

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> Very lovely, yea.

Dont you mean "yeah yeah yeah"

Janey
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 4:16:08 AM

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I noticed that most of the guys/people who have been
kind and generous to me are actually in this thread at
the moment, as such I am putting pen to paper.

It seems I have taken on way too much "to do's" for me to
accomplish all of the replies I have to many questions/posts I
have made in the last week.

What I am saying is, It is going to take me at least a week to follow
up on all advice given and sites graciously posted.
Please dont any feel I am not following up on any advice if you dont
see a reply or post, it just means I am getting a little snowed-under
(ha ha, in oz in february ), I am feeling the pinch already with just
3 college classes. (separate topics) (plus family) (no puppies though)

PCR, although the post you are helping with is getting a little further
back now, it will remain as paramount as all other questions I have
asked about recently.

anyone know of a good maid service that works for gratis? (I take
that back, ian actually made us all a very good meal tonight)

Thanks guys,,,,,

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 18, 2005 4:16:09 AM

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You are welcome. I release you to those other chores, so long as I do
remain paramount upon your return. As far as maid service, I do know Dan
is a babysitter. If his nieces survive, he is the one to turn to!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
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| I noticed that most of the guys/people who have been
| kind and generous to me are actually in this thread at
| the moment, as such I am putting pen to paper.
|
| It seems I have taken on way too much "to do's" for me to
| accomplish all of the replies I have to many questions/posts I
| have made in the last week.
|
| What I am saying is, It is going to take me at least a week to follow
| up on all advice given and sites graciously posted.
| Please dont any feel I am not following up on any advice if you dont
| see a reply or post, it just means I am getting a little snowed-under
| (ha ha, in oz in february ), I am feeling the pinch already with just
| 3 college classes. (separate topics) (plus family) (no puppies though)
|
| PCR, although the post you are helping with is getting a little
further
| back now, it will remain as paramount as all other questions I have
| asked about recently.
|
| anyone know of a good maid service that works for gratis? (I take
| that back, ian actually made us all a very good meal tonight)
|
| Thanks guys,,,,,
|
| regards Jane
|
|
Anonymous
February 19, 2005 2:39:45 AM

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> !!! I told you so. !!!
>
> \

tee he,,
Like I said, you ppl crack me up.
I love this group.

hey, your msg could sorta be like msg jesus was Trying to
point out, and when he comes back, he gonna be saying:;
*hugh, I warned you of the consequence of your actions*

funny how we put more energy into mechanical monster, isnt it.

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 19, 2005 2:49:06 AM

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> You are welcome. I release you to those other chores, so long as I do
> remain paramount upon your return.
-----
The advice given will remain paramount, as with all of the other posts
and advice given that I need to catch up on.
--------

As far as maid service, I do know Dan
> is a babysitter. If his nieces survive, he is the one to turn to!

WELL, lets just see if Dan makes it through the ordeal first, it just
may be that the kids need saving from him.
I've read his posts, need I say more. (he he)
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR

I will pop in as much as I can for a few minutes here and there until
I get the whole college thing on a comfortable level.
I dont know what you guys pay for books, but I got a huge shock
on wednesday....... they want $84 just for one study book, and
not a single page is laced with gold, and thats just one of three
topics I am taking. (check your aussie newspapers soon, you just
may hear of "jane the bank-robber")

regards Jane
Anonymous
February 19, 2005 2:49:07 AM

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"jane" <jane@internet.com> wrote in message
news:eD3HPubFFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
|
| > You are welcome. I release you to those other chores, so long as I
do
| > remain paramount upon your return.
| -----
| The advice given will remain paramount, as with all of the other posts
| and advice given that I need to catch up on.
| --------

I'll be watching. Better not do a thing anyone else said, even Terhune,
until you go back & do the stuff in my posts!

|
| As far as maid service, I do know Dan
| > is a babysitter. If his nieces survive, he is the one to turn to!
|
| WELL, lets just see if Dan makes it through the ordeal first, it just
| may be that the kids need saving from him.
| I've read his posts, need I say more. (he he)

Absolutely, don't hire him unless both survive & at least one is not
hospitalized!

| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
|
| I will pop in as much as I can for a few minutes here and there until
| I get the whole college thing on a comfortable level.
| I dont know what you guys pay for books, but I got a huge shock
| on wednesday....... they want $84 just for one study book, and
| not a single page is laced with gold, and thats just one of three
| topics I am taking. (check your aussie newspapers soon, you just
| may hear of "jane the bank-robber")

Well, I paid $50.00 for "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub). BUT,
that one is 1207 huge, & I read it 1½ times, roughly. I don't regret it,
but the book is in sore need of a Defrag! It did come with a CD. Don't
mention any of this to Colorado!

|
| regards Jane

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
Anonymous
February 20, 2005 2:16:49 AM

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:04:27 -0600, "Brian A."

>clik clik, cliK cliK,clIK clIK, cLIK cLIK, CLIK CLIK.
>creeeeeeeaaaaaaaack.

On a clear disk, you can seek forever



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