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Anonymous
February 16, 2005 6:59:39 PM

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I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a
defrag and reboot.

What am I missing?

TIA

Bob

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Anonymous
February 16, 2005 6:59:40 PM

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"Bob Johnson" <bob@oneillpr.com> wrote in message
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> I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a
> defrag and reboot.
>
> What am I missing?

Probably nothing. 61% seems quite reasonable

Run MSINFO32

If you are on dial-up, you'll see something like..............

KERNEL32.DLL Win32 Kernel core component
MSGSRV32.EXE Windows 32-bit VxD Message Server
MPREXE.EXE Win32 Network Interface Service Process
MMTASK.TSK Multimedia background task support module
EXPLORER.EXE Windows Explorer AKA Windows
RPCSS.EXE Distributed COM Services
SYSTRAY.EXE System Tray Applet
SPOOL32.EXE Spooler Sub System Process
RNAAPP.EXE Dial-Up Networking Application
TAPISRV.EXE Microsoft Windows Telephony Server
DDHELP.EXE Microsoft DirectX Helper
MSIMN.EXE Outlook Express
PSTORES.EXE Protected storage server

plus one or more instances of

IEXPLORE.EXE Internet Explorer

plus your virus scanner, firewall, spyware detect-and-blast, etc

Cable or DSL will have a similar but not identical laundry list.
You may have Outlook instead of Outlook Express.
Maybe Firefox is in there somewhere. Or Opera.
Free Agent. Adobe Reader.
And countless other Servers, Processes, Browsers and add-ons.

Regardless, they need resources to run.
Lots of people think that there is something wrong
if they are not above 80%.

That theory has no validity.
Anonymous
February 16, 2005 8:32:09 PM

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This web page has an explanation of "System Resources" in Windows.

http://www.apptools.com/rants/resources.php

The following was written by Ron Martell, a Microsoft MVP:

Here is my standard explanation regarding System Resources, which may
be of some assistance.

System Resources refers to two 64K blocks of memory that Windows
allocates to programs for tracking purposes. These blocks are called
User Resources and GDI Resources respectively and Windows reports
whichever has the least available free space as the value for "Free
System Resources".

The value of Free System Resources should not be a concern unless and
until you start getting "System Resources are getting low" type
warning messages, which generally happens at about the 10% level. In
test circumstances it has been shown possible for a computer to
operate at full performance with System Resources showing zero percent
free.

System Resources are totally unrelated to the amount of RAM installed
in your computer and adding more RAM will not affect the System
Resources (unless you start running more applications because you have
more RAM).

System Resource usage is determined by the number and type of
applications that you have running on the computer. Certain types of
applications have been shown to be especially demanding in terms of
System Resource usage:
- "Eye and Ear Candy" such as Active Desktop View As Web Page,
sound effect schemes, animated mouse cursors and desktop icons, and
fancy screen savers.
- Web browsers, as each open browser window requires additional
resources.
- Multimedia applications of all types
- System monitoring utilities such as Norton SystemWorks.

If you are using any applications that have the ability to "preview
fonts in fonts list" such as Office 2000 then all of the installed
fonts will be loaded into GDI resources when the application is
launched. This will result in the usage of approximately 1% of GDI
resources for each 64 fonts that are installed. If no such
applications are in use, or if the "preview fonts in fonts list" is
turned off then resources will only be consumed by those fonts that
have actually been used by windows or by an application.

If you are running any 16 bit applications (Windows 3.x) then Windows
95/98/Me will treat the System Resources allocated to all of these
applications as one block and will not release any of them for reuse
unless and until all of the open 16 bit applications have been closed.

Also, when an application is loaded it is quite common that it will
also require some additional Windows components to be loaded as well.
However, when that application is closed Windows will, by design,
retain the Windows components because they are likely to be needed
again. Therefore the resources initially allocated when an
application is opened will not all be released when that application
is closed. Most, but not all.

Footnote:
To be absolutely technically correct, there are 5 System Resource
heaps not just 2, the two 16 bit 64K ones plus three 32 bit ones. The
32 bit ones are big enough so that there has never been a documented
instance of resource usage problems caused by them, so it is simpler
to pretend they do not exist and just focus on the two 64K resource
heaps when troubleshooting system resource related problems.


Bill Starbuck (MVP)
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Anonymous
February 17, 2005 4:04:59 AM

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Do you suffer any further degradation after running apps? How low does
it get then? I believe them when they say it is OK to be low.
Nevertheless, in Resource Meter, System is always the lower of USER &
GDI. Here are my figures directly after boot, & right now, having been
on/off the NET...

System: 80%; User: 80%; GDI: 92%
System: 68%; User: 68%; GDI: 80%

GDI has more to do with the video display/adapter, & mine improved by
10% or so by switching to a smaller monitor, (not that I did so on
purpose). If USER is the lower, it is more likely it is something left
in your startup group doing it. (I have a ton of McAfee & Compaq in
mine, yet
those are my figures.)

I'm not sure, but can it be something in Autoexec.bat or Config.sys can
do it? Perhaps, "START button, Run, SysEdit", & post those two files.

For investigative purposes...

(1) WinTop will show as many tasks running as "START, Run, MSInfo32,
Software Environment, Running Tasks", which is twice as many as
Ctrl-Alt-Del. Microsoft's WinTop works in Win98, though written for
Win95. It shows individual CPU & RAM usage figures & updates it's
display every 2 seconds. Get WinTop from
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/w...
Download it into a folder of it's own. It's a single executable called
"W95KRNLTOYS.EXE". When you click it, it will unzip and reveal many
applications. All of them are a danger to Win98, except WinTop; delete
them. You will be left with:

W95KRNLTOYS.EXE
WINTOP.INF
WINTOP.TXT
WINTOP.VXD
WINTOP.EXE

You R-Clk WINTOP.INF & select "Install". Click OK to the requestor
stating that a disk is required. Another requestor will appear & allow
you to locate the folder that has the files listed above. WinTop.exe
will be copied to C:\Windows. You may go there, R-Clk it, point to "Send
To" & create a shortcut on the Desktop. Click it to execute. Otherwise,
"START, Run, WinTop".

Yikes, what a RAM hog Explorer is-- & NetZero too! They are eating this
machine alive!

Explorer: 18 threads.
Code Data
Allocated: 15,624K 7,932K
In memory: 5,888K 6,688K
In use 3,522K 3,552K

NetZero: 37 threads.
Code Data
Allocated: 7,624K 16,348K
In memory: 3,272K 9,252K
In use 2,488K 8,252K

NetZero: 3 more threads (icon in tray).
Code Data
Allocated: 3,248K 4,012K
In memory: 876K 1,164K
In use 440K 696K

(2) Do you have "System Monitor" in START... System Tools? If not, get
it from "START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Windows
Setup tab, D-Clk System Tools, check System Monitor, OK, Apply, OK". May
as well take "Resource Meter", too. Now, go through the menus and at
least have it display

(a) Swap file in use.
(b) Swap file size.
(c) Swappable memory.
(d) Unused physical memory.
(e) Allocated memory.
(f) Disk cache size.
(g) Locked memory
(h) Other memory
(i) Kernel Processor Usage
(j) Kernel Threads

Hopefully, by the time you have it set up and commence to asking
questions, someone will be around who can answer them.


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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bob Johnson" <bob@oneillpr.com> wrote in message
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| I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus
a
| defrag and reboot.
|
| What am I missing?
|
| TIA
|
| Bob
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Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:12:23 PM

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Do you mean that you can't get free system resources above 61%? That's not
a figure that should cause any concern. Some machines can be configured to
near 80%, but the difference is not significant. There is no performance
penalty in using resources.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bob Johnson" <bob@oneillpr.com> wrote in message
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>I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a
> defrag and reboot.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> TIA
>
> Bob
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Anonymous
February 17, 2005 12:26:48 PM

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Well, thanks for all the good advice, guys -- I was living in the dark ages
of 90% plus or something's gonna grab ya.

Bob

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> I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a
> defrag and reboot.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> TIA
>
> Bob
>
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Anonymous
February 17, 2005 9:13:53 PM

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You are welcome.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
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| Well, thanks for all the good advice, guys -- I was living in the dark
ages
| of 90% plus or something's gonna grab ya.
|
| Bob
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| > I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items,
plus a
| > defrag and reboot.
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| > What am I missing?
| >
| > TIA
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| > Bob
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