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Anonymous
February 22, 2005 10:46:01 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yes that was the file. I just told windows it was fine as I read that
was common for that to be picked up afterwards. I guess I could give it
a go though but I always get confused with extracting a file from
somewhere. I will follow your instructions and see what happens :) 


PCR Wrote:
> Could it have been... setupx.dll...?...
>
> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN... MSKB
> Search "setupx.dll"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact Phrase; does produce
> many. Better go look, just to see the kind of errors that would pop up
> if you really had a bad one. If you experience no other "setupx.dll"
> problem, then do the easier solution in...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4sb2m
> Corrupted Setupx.dll After Installing Windows 98 Second Edition
> (231793) - After you install Windows 98 Second Edition, you may be
> notified by the System File Checker tool (SFC) that the Setupx.dll
> file
> is corrupted.
>
> Here is how to replace it, if necessary...
>
> SETUPX.DLL
> Desc: Windows Setup Functions
> Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
> Size: 745,168 bytes
> Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
> Ver: 4.10.2222
>
> That is old enough (in Win98SE) never to have been modified by an
> update. So, extract it with SFC.
>
> (1) "START, Run, SFC"
> (2) Bolt "Extract one file from installation disk"
> (3) Enter "SETUPX.DLL" in the "Specify..." box.
> (4) Click "Start".
> (5) It should offer to "Save file in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM".
> If not, make it so.
> (6) In "Restore from", if not already pre-filled, browse to
> (a) Installation CD (likely the Win98 folder) or
> (b) The folder that has your cabs on the hard drive, likely
> "C:\WINDOWS\options\cabs\".
> (7) Click "OK"
>
> If it discovers the file already exists, it will offer to back it up.
> May as well do so. If it discovers the file is "in use", it will
> request
> that you reboot to complete the install.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q185836
> System File Checker
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q188186
> SFC baseline
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q192832
> SFC extracts wrong file
> http://www.westelcom.com/users/rogersr/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use & problems
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "PSYCHOPIXIE" PSYCHOPIXIE.1kt70d@news.win98banter.com wrote in message
> news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1kt70d@news.win98banter.com...
> |
> | I think out of habit and because it's on my desktop I always use
> Norton.
> | I gather that sfc would pick up on damaged system files(question
> mark).
> | When I installed win98se back over itself sfc told me something or
> | other needed to be sorted out but I forget the name of the file and
> I
> | read on the microsoft site that it after installation sfc often
> finds
> | fault with that particlar file when there is nothing wrong.
> |
> |
> | Gary S. Terhune Wrote:
> | Lost Clusters can be part of *any* file. But if it's a system file,
> you
> | aren't likely to be able to put it back together. The correct
> | procedure
> | is to extract a new copy from Windows or Internet Explorer Setup
> | files.
> | (Or from elsewhere, actually--wherever the version of he file you
> have
> | came from.)
> |
> | Windows Scandisk picks up on Lost Clusters just fine.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS MVP Shell/User
> | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> |
> | "PSYCHOPIXIE" PSYCHOPIXIE.1ko3ny@news.win98banter.com wrote in
> message
> | news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1ko3ny@news.win98banter.com...-
> |
> | So can lost clusters be part of something important then? ie part
> of
> | a
> | essential windows program? I will 'save' from now on when norton-
> | starts-
> | repairing. Does the windows scan disk program pick up on lost
> | clusters
> | or am I better off sticking to my norton disk doctor?
> |
> |
> | Gary S. Terhune Wrote:-
> | It *is* possible to put these files back together. But you'd either
> | have
> | to learn how, yourself, or take it to a pro. You'd also want to
> save
> | copies of cross-linked files before repairing them.
> |
> | I look into the files using a plain-text editor in order to
> possibly
> | find out what they are. Particularly if they are image of text
> | documents, even lost fragments can contain a significant amount of
> | data
> | that can be used as is.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS MVP Shell/User
> | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> |
> | "PSYCHOPIXIE" PSYCHOPIXIE.1kn6bz@news.win98banter.com wrote in--
> | message--
> | news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1kn6bz@news.win98banter.com...-
> |
> | That's good news then. Although does that mean when norton fixes
> | them-
> | I-
> | should be saving the lost clusters rather than deleting(question-
> | mark).-
> | Norton does it's whole fixing thing and then asks afterwards what
> I-
> | want-
> | to do with them. I sometimes save and sometimes allow them to be
> | deleted. Norton also offers to make some sort of back up file--
> | incase---
> | it-
> | alters and does something naughty but I can't be bothered with
> doing
> | that so I skip.
> |
> |
> | PCR Wrote:-
> | "jane" jane@internet.com wrote in message
> | news:%236kH0iPFFHA.4004@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | |
> | | No, Lost Clusters aren't the same as bad clusters. Lost Clusters
> | are
> | | files with a head but no tail, or a tail with no head, or a--
> | middle--
> | with
> | | no head and no tail....to put it simply, somewhere along the
> line
> | the
> | | integrity of the file got broken and the clusters that make it
> up
> | are no
> | | longer associated with each other properly. Lost Clusters are--
> | those--
> | | which aren't marked as deleted or empty, but which don't
> | recognizably
> | | belong to a file. You typically get Lost Clusters when forced to
> | reset
> | | or when Cross-linked files occur--parts of two files get
> | incorrectly
> | | linked together as one file, with the other parts that are left
> | over
> | | becoming Lost Clusters.
> | |
> | | Bad clusters are areas that are physically corrupted--can't be--
> | read--
> | in
> | | part or in whole.
> | |
> | | WOE.
> | | I am going to be a Dan for a second on your above reply gary.
> | | That was the most Terse and comprehensive explanation I
> | | have ever read.
> | | Each line was an edification.
> | |
> | | **accolades**
> | |
> | | regards Jane
> |
> | I'd rather be "a head but no tail" than the other choices he has
> | offered!
> |
> | --
> | Thanks or Good Luck,
> | There may be humor in this post, and,
> | Naturally, you will not sue,
> | should things get worse after this,
> | PCR
> | pcrrcp@netzero.net-
> |
> |
> | --
> | PSYCHOPIXIE--
> |
> |
> | --
> | PSYCHOPIXIE-
> |
> |
> | --
> | PSYCHOPIXIE


--
PSYCHOPIXIE
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 8:32:43 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

OK. If all you have against the file is SFC's message, then you did
right. Otherwise, read through the articles at MSKB,-- &/or replace the
file, especially if it doesn't look like mine & you are Win98SE. I don't
see "setupx.dll" has ever been legitimately updated, judging by it's Mod
Date.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"PSYCHOPIXIE" <PSYCHOPIXIE.1kul0e@news.win98banter.com> wrote in message
news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1kul0e@news.win98banter.com...
|
| Yes that was the file. I just told windows it was fine as I read that
| was common for that to be picked up afterwards. I guess I could give
it
| a go though but I always get confused with extracting a file from
| somewhere. I will follow your instructions and see what happens :) 
|
|
| PCR Wrote:
| > Could it have been... setupx.dll...?...
| >
| > http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN...
MSKB
| > Search "setupx.dll"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact Phrase; does
produce
| > many. Better go look, just to see the kind of errors that would pop
up
| > if you really had a bad one. If you experience no other "setupx.dll"
| > problem, then do the easier solution in...
| >
| > http://tinyurl.com/4sb2m
| > Corrupted Setupx.dll After Installing Windows 98 Second Edition
| > (231793) - After you install Windows 98 Second Edition, you may be
| > notified by the System File Checker tool (SFC) that the Setupx.dll
| > file
| > is corrupted.
| >
| > Here is how to replace it, if necessary...
| >
| > SETUPX.DLL
| > Desc: Windows Setup Functions
| > Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
| > Size: 745,168 bytes
| > Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
| > Ver: 4.10.2222
| >
| > That is old enough (in Win98SE) never to have been modified by an
| > update. So, extract it with SFC.
| >
| > (1) "START, Run, SFC"
| > (2) Bolt "Extract one file from installation disk"
| > (3) Enter "SETUPX.DLL" in the "Specify..." box.
| > (4) Click "Start".
| > (5) It should offer to "Save file in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM".
| > If not, make it so.
| > (6) In "Restore from", if not already pre-filled, browse to
| > (a) Installation CD (likely the Win98 folder) or
| > (b) The folder that has your cabs on the hard drive, likely
| > "C:\WINDOWS\options\cabs\".
| > (7) Click "OK"
| >
| > If it discovers the file already exists, it will offer to back it
up.
| > May as well do so. If it discovers the file is "in use", it will
| > request
| > that you reboot to complete the install.
| >
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q185836
| > System File Checker
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q188186
| > SFC baseline
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q192832
| > SFC extracts wrong file
| > http://www.westelcom.com/users/rogersr/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
| > http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use &
problems
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "PSYCHOPIXIE" PSYCHOPIXIE.1kt70d@news.win98banter.com wrote in
message
| > news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1kt70d@news.win98banter.com...
| > |
| > | I think out of habit and because it's on my desktop I always use
| > Norton.
| > | I gather that sfc would pick up on damaged system files(question
| > mark).
| > | When I installed win98se back over itself sfc told me something or
| > | other needed to be sorted out but I forget the name of the file
and
| > I
| > | read on the microsoft site that it after installation sfc often
| > finds
| > | fault with that particlar file when there is nothing wrong.
| > |
| > |
| > | Gary S. Terhune Wrote:
| > | Lost Clusters can be part of *any* file. But if it's a system
file,
| > you
| > | aren't likely to be able to put it back together. The correct
| > | procedure
| > | is to extract a new copy from Windows or Internet Explorer Setup
| > | files.
| > | (Or from elsewhere, actually--wherever the version of he file you
| > have
| > | came from.)
| > |
| > | Windows Scandisk picks up on Lost Clusters just fine.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS MVP Shell/User
| > | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| > |
| > | "PSYCHOPIXIE" PSYCHOPIXIE.1ko3ny@news.win98banter.com wrote in
| > message
| > | news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1ko3ny@news.win98banter.com...-
| > |
| > | So can lost clusters be part of something important then? ie part
| > of
| > | a
| > | essential windows program? I will 'save' from now on when norton-
| > | starts-
| > | repairing. Does the windows scan disk program pick up on lost
| > | clusters
| > | or am I better off sticking to my norton disk doctor?
| > |
| > |
| > | Gary S. Terhune Wrote:-
| > | It *is* possible to put these files back together. But you'd
either
| > | have
| > | to learn how, yourself, or take it to a pro. You'd also want to
| > save
| > | copies of cross-linked files before repairing them.
| > |
| > | I look into the files using a plain-text editor in order to
| > possibly
| > | find out what they are. Particularly if they are image of text
| > | documents, even lost fragments can contain a significant amount
of
| > | data
| > | that can be used as is.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS MVP Shell/User
| > | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| > |
| > | "PSYCHOPIXIE" PSYCHOPIXIE.1kn6bz@news.win98banter.com wrote in--
| > | message--
| > | news:p SYCHOPIXIE.1kn6bz@news.win98banter.com...-
| > |
| > | That's good news then. Although does that mean when norton fixes
| > | them-
| > | I-
| > | should be saving the lost clusters rather than deleting(question-
| > | mark).-
| > | Norton does it's whole fixing thing and then asks afterwards what
| > I-
| > | want-
| > | to do with them. I sometimes save and sometimes allow them to be
| > | deleted. Norton also offers to make some sort of back up file--
| > | incase---
| > | it-
| > | alters and does something naughty but I can't be bothered with
| > doing
| > | that so I skip.
| > |
| > |
| > | PCR Wrote:-
| > | "jane" jane@internet.com wrote in message
| > | news:%236kH0iPFFHA.4004@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | |
| > | | No, Lost Clusters aren't the same as bad clusters. Lost
Clusters
| > | are
| > | | files with a head but no tail, or a tail with no head, or a--
| > | middle--
| > | with
| > | | no head and no tail....to put it simply, somewhere along the
| > line
| > | the
| > | | integrity of the file got broken and the clusters that make it
| > up
| > | are no
| > | | longer associated with each other properly. Lost Clusters
are--
| > | those--
| > | | which aren't marked as deleted or empty, but which don't
| > | recognizably
| > | | belong to a file. You typically get Lost Clusters when forced
to
| > | reset
| > | | or when Cross-linked files occur--parts of two files get
| > | incorrectly
| > | | linked together as one file, with the other parts that are
left
| > | over
| > | | becoming Lost Clusters.
| > | |
| > | | Bad clusters are areas that are physically corrupted--can't
be--
| > | read--
| > | in
| > | | part or in whole.
| > | |
| > | | WOE.
| > | | I am going to be a Dan for a second on your above reply gary.
| > | | That was the most Terse and comprehensive explanation I
| > | | have ever read.
| > | | Each line was an edification.
| > | |
| > | | **accolades**
| > | |
| > | | regards Jane
| > |
| > | I'd rather be "a head but no tail" than the other choices he has
| > | offered!
| > |
| > | --
| > | Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | should things get worse after this,
| > | PCR
| > | pcrrcp@netzero.net-
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | PSYCHOPIXIE--
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | PSYCHOPIXIE-
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | PSYCHOPIXIE
|
|
| --
| PSYCHOPIXIE
!