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radeon x800gt 256 mb vs radeon x1600 256mb

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April 18, 2006 10:33:52 PM

okay if you had to chose between the radeon x800gt 256mb agp card and the x1600pro 256mb agp card, which would it be??
April 18, 2006 10:43:02 PM

For what? Most of the time, the 800gt. Some games, especially shader-heavy ones like OB, the x1600 pro.
April 18, 2006 10:45:13 PM

its going to be for ghost recon advance warfighter. Also i know the x1600 has pixel shader 3.0 to which the x800gt dosnt. Would the 1600 pro be a better upgrade for future games?
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April 18, 2006 10:49:34 PM

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its going to be for ghost recon advance warfighter. Also i know the x1600 has pixel shader 3.0 to which the x800gt dosnt. Would the 1600 pro be a better upgrade for future games?


That's really hard to say. I have a x1600 pro myself, and it's not a bad little card for $100, but it's not especially powerful. The x800gt is a faster card. While it may not handle all of the bells and whistles, it handles what it does better.

The 1600pro may be able to do all of the bells and whistles, but it does them slowly. I would say both cards are about equal - so go with price if you really want an opinion.
April 18, 2006 11:24:30 PM

What games do you play, settings and FPS are you getting?
BTW, your rig specs...?
April 18, 2006 11:43:25 PM

The X800 GT only has 8 pixel pipelines; you'd think this would be a no-brainer.
a b U Graphics card
April 18, 2006 11:47:58 PM

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The X800 GT only has 8 pixel pipelines; you'd think this would be a no-brainer.


You'd think so but not quite.

Think of it like this;

The X800GT barely beats the GF6600GT as long as it's the slightly higher clocked 256MB version, the 128MB version is the equal of the GF6600GT in most things and can lose some. Now the X1600Pro trades blows with the GF6600GT, but in the majority of older games and slightly more recent games it loses by a small margin to the GF6600GT. So, puting that into perspective the X1600Pro likely falls in just below the X800GT 256, but likely close to alongside the X800GT 128MB, except in games like F.E.A.R. and BF2 and Oblivion where the X1600Pro start brushing up closer to GF6800GS and X800GTO performance.

Ah such a weird situation, really the card needs 2 more ROPS and 2 more texture units and it would likely be a clear winner, especially with it's 5 vertex engines.
April 19, 2006 12:33:18 AM

Does SM3.0 make a huge difference in performance?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to upgrade from an old 9250, so my choices are a x1600PRO, x800GTO and 6600GT

For money issues....the x1600 takes the lead but if the difference isn't huge (SM 3.0) then I won't mind suffering for the bux necessary for the x800

Also, I have a sempron 3000+, 1Gb DDR400, so, if I get a mumbo jumbo vidcard, much performance would be lost, so there's no point in getting an uber vidcard if the rest of the system is going to bottleneck it
April 19, 2006 12:34:40 AM

well my specs are

athlon 64 3400 (socket 754)
1 gig corsair ram
x800 gt 256 mb

See i already have the card just wanted to know if it was worth selling to trade in for the x1600 pro, but after reading your ideas, my guess would be no.
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2006 4:42:23 AM

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Does SM3.0 make a huge difference in performance?


Not much the only difference between SM3.0 of the X1600 / GF6600 and the SM2.0B X800 is for truely long shader code, and even then the performance difference is minor, and not enough on it's own to make up for the performance gap between the X800GTO and the other 2 cards.

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I'm asking this because I'm trying to upgrade from an old 9250, so my choices are a x1600PRO, x800GTO and 6600GT


Well the GF6600GT and X1600pro are close in performance, but the X800GTO is better than both in most every game.

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so there's no point in getting an uber vidcard if the rest of the system is going to bottleneck it


None of them are uber, and none will outperform your system.
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2006 4:44:35 AM

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See i already have the card just wanted to know if it was worth selling to trade in for the x1600 pro, but after reading your ideas, my guess would be no.


Definitely not worth changing unless you just wanted to see what FP16 HDR looks like in Oblivion, FartCry, AOE3, SplinterCell. Beyond that, no killer app reason to get the card.
April 19, 2006 5:04:07 AM

Heh, nah, I wasn't saying that those cards are the latest stuff out there

Yes, I agree, I like the GTO more than the others, but, again, it's a money issue, I'll try to live just like a monk or something to save nuff money for the GTO

Thnx on the advice!
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2006 5:29:55 AM

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Yes, I agree, I like the GTO more than the others, but, again, it's a money issue, I'll try to live just like a monk or something to save nuff money for the GTO


Too bad you're looking for AGP because someone here posted a link to a $99US PCIe GTO on NewEgg, which is a great deal.
April 19, 2006 3:30:01 PM

Yup, it hurts, but that's life, you gotta do what you gotta do with the stuff you do have...

BTW are there any benchies of the unlocked one?
April 22, 2006 9:27:46 AM

Hi
I'm in a similar position as narhic_fd
I have an AMD athlon 64 3000+, 1 gig of ram and a Radeon 9800 pro and I want to play Oblivion
it's playable when I turn basicly everything off........barely
so I want to upgrade my system a bit with a new AGP graphics card and I'm on a tight budget.

The cards I find in my pricerange are:
Radeon X1600 Pro 256MB
Radeon X1600 Pro 512MB
Radeon X800 GTO 256MB
GeForce 6800XT 128MB
GeForce 6800 128MB
GeForce 6600OC 128MB
GeForce 6600GT 128MB

I don't really care about performance in other games, as oblivion is just about the only game I'm playing at the moment. except for the occasional shootout in farcry when I miss gunfire too much :roll:

I'm probably going to upgrade my entire system next year, so I don't want to throw money away on an expensive graphics card that I'm not going to be able to use later.

so based onely on performance in Oblivion, which one should I get?
April 22, 2006 9:49:59 AM

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so based onely on performance in Oblivion, which one should I get?


I would go for the X800GTO if I were you. You still wouldn't be able to turn all the eye candy on but the performance would be quite playable. Also take a look at X1600XT. Faster than Pro, support for SM 3.0 and AVIVO and you can probably find a good deal on them too. The reason I wouldn't recommend any NVidia cards for that particular game is that, generally speaking, ATI cards do better on the outdoor sections of the game, which are more graphically taxing, whereas NVidia cards do better indoors which isn't too difficult anyway and all cards perform good enough there. Also ATI's have slightly better image quality IMO.
April 22, 2006 11:05:04 AM

I've been looking for the X1600XT, but I can't find it for AGP anywhere.

I'm leaning towards the X800GTO, but does anyone know if I can unlock extra pipelines on it?
the one I'm looking at is a "Sapphire Radeon X800 GTO 256MB GDDR3 / AGP"
April 22, 2006 12:19:56 PM

From what I've heard some parts have pipes that can be unlocked. If you're lucky you'll get one of those but you won't know what you've got until you try flashing it. Apparently it depends on what part the GTO was based on when it was manufactured. They're not all the same, but if it is based on an XT that didn't make the grade then it will probably have extra pipes that are waiting to be tampered with. Look around a bit more and maybe you can find more info on them. Oh and you're right about the X1600 XT, I forgot you were looking for an AGP part.
PS. Generally speaking Sapphire cards are a good bet
April 23, 2006 3:23:26 PM

Thanks Primitivus
I'm going for the Sapphire Radeon X800 GTO, found a good price online.
everywhere I've looked so far I see people saying that the X1600Pro might have a bunch of nice features, but no processing power to back them up. Eyecandy is great n' all, but to me it's pointless if I don't get ok framerate and drawdistance.

to be honest I'm ok with how Oblivion looks on my 9800Pro, if not for the drawdistance and framerate I wouldn't even bother upgrading :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2006 8:03:49 PM

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The cards I find in my pricerange are:
Radeon X1600 Pro 256MB
Radeon X1600 Pro 512MB
Radeon X800 GTO 256MB
GeForce 6800XT 128MB
GeForce 6800 128MB
GeForce 6600OC 128MB
GeForce 6600GT 128MB

I don't really care about performance in other games, as oblivion is just about the only game I'm playing at the moment. except for the occasional shootout in farcry when I miss gunfire too much :roll:

...

so based onely on performance in Oblivion, which one should I get?


Based on that the X1600Pro 256 would be my suggestion, and if the price is less than $15US difference I would personally go with the extra memory for future applications in VISTA, but that's a gut feeling not something that would be based on game performance, which doesn't favour the extra memory necessarily.

For other apps the X800GTO would be a good choice especially if you can unlock the 4 extra pipes, the GF6800GS would also be a good consideration for the same reason.

But if you primarily play Oblivion the X1600Pro gives you the most features and very close to the same performance.
April 24, 2006 9:03:49 PM

X1600 PRO, 6800, or X800 GTO are the 3 it comes down to.

Of those, the X800 GTO will probably be fastest at stock speeds, and the 6800 has the potential to be the fastest because it might unlock to 16 pipelines. The X1600 PRO's slow memory speed really holds it back.

So I'd pick the X800 GTO if you're running stock, or the 6800 if you feel lucky and want a shot at unlocking pipelines. Even if it doesn't unlock, the 6800 will overclock a bit, and still be competitive with the X800 GTO speedwise.
April 24, 2006 9:09:53 PM

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Does SM3.0 make a huge difference in performance?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to upgrade from an old 9250, so my choices are a x1600PRO, x800GTO and 6600GT

For money issues....the x1600 takes the lead but if the difference isn't huge (SM 3.0) then I won't mind suffering for the bux necessary for the x800

Also, I have a sempron 3000+, 1Gb DDR400, so, if I get a mumbo jumbo vidcard, much performance would be lost, so there's no point in getting an uber vidcard if the rest of the system is going to bottleneck it


I have almost the same system, and I recently bought an unlocked a X800GTO. Nice card.
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2006 1:08:01 AM

The only reason I'd pick the X1600Pro, and ONLY in THIS game, is for the HDR+AA which is very playable with the X1600Pro @ 1024x768, and very little penalty.

It all comes down to a preference, but considering what my friend who now has my old editing rig with the X1600P says, and what others on Elderscrolls.com say it's quite useable with a strong system, and it's very nice to have. Of course you'd know the difference so you could comment on what you prefer on your X1800XL-OC.

I would say if he were playing anything else the others would be better choices bu the X1600Pro is just right for Oblivion, and only Oblivion.
April 25, 2006 4:39:50 AM

Ah. My mistake really, I didn't read the thread, just commented off on my own tangent.

For Oblivion, the X1600 PRO is a very good card for the price, probably even the best for price/performance in that title...
April 25, 2006 8:58:13 AM

get a 6800GS they are the same as the 6800GT in alot of benchmarks and beat it in most situations also they overclock further and if u get one on the NV41 core u can unlok its vertex shaders and pixel pipelines, i just bought a 6800GS with 512mb Vram it owns up, i got 5500 on 3dmark with P4 3.0ghz and 512 mb ram, which is considered a good score for such a low spec system :D 
April 25, 2006 3:24:12 PM

We're talking AGP, dude.
AGP 6800 GS' are much slower than their PCIe counterparts, and are nowhere near as fast as a 6800 GT.

The PCIe 6800 GS' are based on a different core with a smaller process that can overclock like crazy, but the AGP 6800 GS' are just rebranded 6800's, NV40s and they don't overclock well.

They might unlock mind you, but no guarantee for that.
April 25, 2006 3:50:05 PM

sorry my bad, i didnt realise it was AGP, if u unlokd it tho, u got a cheap 6800GT there.
October 26, 2013 7:13:38 PM

i come to you from the future i have a radeon 7770 ghz edition and fx 6300 and can max out all the games you mentioned:)  lol
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