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April 19, 2006 11:34:20 AM

hi, im new here...
my old comp spec:

AMD K6-2 350
DFI K6BV3+ (via)
SDRAM VISIPRO 256MB (2x64mb + 1x128mb)
Geforce 4mx 460 64mb DDR
HD Maxtor 20 GB + Seagate 10 GB
CDROM Aopen 40x
Generic PSU 380W
*old* Sound Blaster 32 ISA

i already clean up all components, use contact cleaner to mobo.....
but still.....freezing after few seconds in windows........ 98 or XP is the same.
try boot into safe mode, still same/keep freezing after few seconds.
before freezing, i can click start button and menu still appear ......then freeze....

with memtest-86, my memory is ok.....
i try reinstall windows, but when preparing to setup 70% freeze again.....
my bro use this comp for typing only......
in bios, temp is 45c.
i already try: changing PSU, boot without sound card & cdrom, use only 1 memory. but still freezing.

thx for any help......
note: sorry for my spell
:) 

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April 19, 2006 11:43:01 AM

Ask joefriday he might help you with this, He's running the same type of computer specs your talking about here. Sorry i dunno a whole much about AMDs older than the new Athlon XP line
April 19, 2006 12:10:24 PM

Is it dual boot for 98/XP?

I would try to boot to dos on the 98 side and run chkdsk or scandisk, and see if it freezes in dos mode, with HD activity.
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April 19, 2006 12:51:02 PM

I would apply some thermal paste to the cpu after cleaning it with ispropyl alcohol. One drop is all you need. The heatsink will spread it out on contact. Those k6's ran pretty warm.
April 20, 2006 5:47:31 AM

thx for reply.....
Quote:

YO_KID37
Ask joefriday he might help you with this, He's running the same type of computer specs your talking about here. Sorry i dunno a whole much about AMDs older than the new Athlon XP line


thx, i`ll pm him soon :) 

Quote:

Grimmy
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Help...old computer keep freezing
Is it dual boot for 98/XP?

I would try to boot to dos on the 98 side and run chkdsk or scandisk, and see if it freezes in dos mode, with HD activity.


yes, its dual boot 98 and XP.
ok i'll try scandisk, and i'll post the result later,
thx

Quote:
o1die
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Help...old computer keep freezing
I would apply some thermal paste to the cpu after cleaning it with ispropyl alcohol. One drop is all you need. The heatsink will spread it out on contact. Those k6's ran pretty warm.


i'll clean it, and apply artic silver 5, and see the temp ....thx :) 

i have another question, i have comp with spec:

Athlon XP Barton 2500 - TT TR2-M4 + AS5
Gigabyte GA7-N400L
DDR Kingston KVR 768MB PC2700
Inno3D 6600GT AGP with Zalman VF 7000Cu + AS5
HD 120 + 40GB Maxtor 7200 Rpm
DVDRom Liteon 16x
Thermaltake 430W Pure Power
Dell CRT 17" E733S

i ever OC it to 11x200 @3200 for 2 weeks and stable for playing games(memory divider: 83% because PC2700 only).
cpu temp :
idle 50c, full load 60c, case temp 34c
without OC, temps are decrease about 3-5c for CPU temp
i always take off a side case and blow it with big fan directly.
if not then idle is 60c++

3 days ago i back it to the normal clock (11x166), but last night when i play obvilion suddenly the monitor goes blank and HDD led is red. i restart the comp but cant.
it still blank... likely my monitor doesnt have any signal from vga, and there is no 1 beep like usually when my system are ok.

i try to re-seat all cable data and power. but no luck. the last thing i do is clear cmos. and thanks god my comp is normal again.....

my question:
1. what happen to my comp? it is because i ever OC it or what? that happen when my cpu is not OC. should i OC it again?
2. is my cpu temp too hot? thinking about replace it with TT Pipe101.
3. is Athlon XP bottlenecking a 6600GT? plan to upgrade to Athlon64 + asrock dual939 sata2, so i can use my 6600GT AGP.

help me
thank u very much
April 20, 2006 6:38:16 AM

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3 days ago i back it to the normal clock (11x166), but last night when i play obvilion suddenly the monitor goes blank and HDD led is red. i restart the comp but cant.
it still blank... likely my monitor doesnt have any signal from vga, and there is no 1 beep like usually when my system are ok.


How did you test to see if your OC was stable?

Most guys here will tell you to make sure it is stable by running stress test. Not sure if you know at least 2 tools usually used, Prime 95, and Memtest.

Prime95 it for at least 6 hours (most say 8 hours).

Run Memtest at least 6 hours (some say all nite).

With your system OC, if it can run 6 hours without any errors (IMO), then it can be considered a stable OC.
April 20, 2006 6:49:03 AM

What about a fresh format and installation of XP? If it can take it.. Otherwise I really don't see the point in keeping that old mobo/CPU
April 20, 2006 7:04:11 AM

You didn't say what type of fan you have on your K6. If it's more than 3 years old, it may be slowing down. Time to replace it.

The most probable reason your xp chip went down was Windows. It will do that, if it thinks it sees a major change. Remember, you have to get a note from Bill, if you want to change your setup.
April 20, 2006 7:17:13 AM

I'll try and help the best I can. Here goes:

1. Has this computer had similar problems in the past, or is this a fresh build?

2. Double check you jumpers on the HDDs and CD rom drive to make sure there aren't any Drive conflicts. I would definitely jumper them as Master/Slave. Forget about Cable Select. It may not hurt to disconnect the slave drive while trying to boot either.

3. Can you get into the bios? And if so, how long will it stay in the Bios? Will it ever freeze just sitting in the bios? May not hurt to boot it up, enter the Bios and walk away. Return after an hour to see if it froze up.

4. Try booting with just the 128 mb stick of ram, the OS hard drive (no slave), no CD ROM drive, and no sound/modem/NIC cards. Just ram, video, and hdd. See if it will work then. If not, keep switching out the ram until you've tried them all separately in that configuration.

5. Endyen brings up a good point: These ARE fresh OS installs, right?


I'll note that the VIA MVP3 chipset is known to have some issues with instability. My rig uses the less exotic ALI Aladdin V. At least the ALI chips are rock solid stable.

Keep us posted.

Joe
April 20, 2006 7:20:48 AM

I was confronted to this same problem on another K6 - and it wasn't the first I saw that way.

Try this: reduce its multiplier, so that you can reduce its frequency (150 MHz should be possible). Then, start the system and boot. If it doesn't crash anymore, then you probably are a victim of the dreaded K6 warm-up: your chip will work reliably yes, but only at lower than stock clock speeds.
April 20, 2006 10:00:35 AM

The HDD that your swapfile / pagefile on is failing.
April 20, 2006 10:53:40 AM

guys....thx 4 reply...



@ Grimmy

to see if my OC was stable or not, im using Prime95 but just for 1 hour :p 

i dont know if it should run for 6-8 hours. im using 3DMark03 and 3DMark05 too (benchmark and demo), then playing BattleField2, NFSMW for 2-3 hours without problem.

i never try memtest on my Athlon.

I will try them to make sure my OC is stable or not... Thx





@ hashv2f16

i never try to format the HD because its full enough of data, maybe i should backup the data then do reinstall in fresh format HD. but.... before that, i would like to try another way 1st, like scandisk (like Grimmy said), lowering clock (Mitch074 said), and try some advices from Joefriday and all of you. format HD maybe when all of these ways fail :) 

thx



i dont use this K6, but my bro just do typing, so i think this computer is still worth to do that :)  however im planning to move to Atlhon64, and give my AtlhonXP to my bro. im in "saving money" progress right now :) 





@ endyen

i never change K6 hsf from 1999 (wow... almost 7 years). sometimes i just clean it from dust. i remember this fan ever stop for several time (maybe 3-4 times). i know it because i set cpu temp alarm to 55c. when this alarm ring on, i check the fan is stop, but when i touch the fan with my finger, the fan is turning on again. but for several years the fan is ok, i mean its keep turning on.

yes, you're right.... time to replace it, thx.





@ joefriday

1. i never had similar problems with this K6 in the past, just this time.... i mean my problem start from 2-3 weeks ago.



2. normally im using:

primary master -> 1st HD (jumpet set to master)

primary slave -> 2nd HD (jumpet set to slave)

secondary master -> CDRom (jumpet set to master)

i never set to cable-select :) 



3. i can get into bios, but i never try stay in bios for a long time. i just see the setting then reboot again. i will try stay in bios and see whether it froze up or not.



4. i already try your advice no 4, just ram, vga and hdd (and keep switching memory) but still no luck.



5. i never try this, i just ever try reinstall w98 but without reformat the HD. i'll try with fresh install in reformat HD when all another advice failed. i should try all of them.



thx for advices!



note: when i buy this rig in 1999, there are 2 of my friends buy same rig as mine (i mean same mobo: DFI and processor). different HD, memory, video and PSU.

one of them is still ok right now, but the other are not (already damage 1,5 year ago).

maybe my K6 will follow the damage one... LOL

j/k







@ Mitch074

mine is 100 x 3,5 = 350 MHz.

ic.....maybe its happen because my K6 temp is high enough, so maybe my cpu is damage slightly right? i mean some of its transistor already damaged. so if i lowering the clock maybe it still can work right?

ok, i will try this... thx





@ linux_0

i already have koppix cd :) 

i should try this too

thx






@ TabrisDarkPeace
1st HD with w98, swap file in 2nd HD
2nd HD with XP, swap file in 1st HD.
my comp freeze after enter the windows maybe about 15-25 second.
i should check these HD on my another computer
Thx



guys, thx for all the advice, i will try them as soon as possible and then post the result later....

sorry for my spell :) 
April 20, 2006 12:44:46 PM

I had the case with a K6-233 and a K6-350 (probably same as yours). They wouldn't work properly at their base frequency, but slowing them down to 150 made them work like charms - even with same FSB and different mobos.

I'm inclined to think that this is your problem, since:
1- you have failures installing Windows, so it can't be the swap file (sorry Tabris)

2- you tried all RAM chips independantly, and the errors was always the same. So except if all your chips were failed at the exact same address, it's not a RAM problem

3- Trying Knoppix CD is a good way to scratch out CD/HD jumper or generic problems: it won't boot if the jumpers are misconfigured, and it doesn't use the HD at all - so if it crashes, it's mobo/CPU/RAM related (of which we've seen that it's not the RAM)

Now, if your mobo is an all-integrated TX Pro 2, then it may be mobo-related. However I'm very much inclined to think it's your K6 saying it got too warm.
April 20, 2006 3:06:17 PM

Quote:
hi, im new here...
my old comp spec:

AMD K6-2 350
DFI K6BV3+ (via)
SDRAM VISIPRO 256MB (2x64mb + 1x128mb)
Geforce 4mx 460 64mb DDR
HD Maxtor 20 GB + Seagate 10 GB
CDROM Aopen 40x
Generic PSU 380W
*old* Sound Blaster 32 ISA

i already clean up all components, use contact cleaner to mobo.....
but still.....freezing after few seconds in windows........ 98 or XP is the same.
try boot into safe mode, still same/keep freezing after few seconds.
before freezing, i can click start button and menu still appear ......then freeze....

with memtest-86, my memory is ok.....
i try reinstall windows, but when preparing to setup 70% freeze again.....
my bro use this comp for typing only......
in bios, temp is 45c.
i already try: changing PSU, boot without sound card & cdrom, use only 1 memory. but still freezing.

thx for any help......
note: sorry for my spell
:) 
Off the top of my head I would assume it's either the PSU, the RAM, or the HD.
April 20, 2006 9:23:03 PM

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@ Grimmy

to see if my OC was stable or not, im using Prime95 but just for 1 hour Razz

i dont know if it should run for 6-8 hours. im using 3DMark03 and 3DMark05 too (benchmark and demo), then playing BattleField2, NFSMW for 2-3 hours without problem.

i never try memtest on my Athlon.

I will try them to make sure my OC is stable or not... Thx


Well, I know I'm OC a processor that is not the same as yours, but I've done a Prime95 test, and my P4 failed in 2 hours. I could have done the same thing as you and said mine was stable if I did it for only 1 hour, instead of 6. :p 
April 20, 2006 10:29:58 PM

Try testing the Geforce 4mx 460 in your Athlon XP machine and see if it gives you the same problems.
April 20, 2006 10:59:23 PM

hmmm did you start having these problems before or after you applied contact cleaner to the mobo?
April 21, 2006 6:47:42 AM

Hi, last night i have try some advice:

but last night i just have only 1,5 hours to try, because this computer not at my home, its on my bro's home. and my bro already back to another town for study. so i cant test it all night.

i will bring this comp at my home so i can test it all night. but from tommorow until next 4 or 7 days i'll be in another town, far enough from my town, i have some duty to do from my boss. when i already come back, i will have much time to investigate my K6.

sorry for the inconvenience... if i cant try all of your advices as soon as possible.



here what i tried last night:

1. boot in "command prompt only" with: 1 HD(w98) + vga + all memory without other periperal.

then i do scandisk /all /autofix (without surface scan).

scandisk said ok.

then i type "win" to enter windows mode.

the strange thing is, it doesnt froze up anymore. i can play insaniquarium for a while.



2. i turn off, i connect the second hd (xp), boot into w98 command prompt only and perform scandisk (again without surface scan). scandisc said my 2nd hd (xp) error in directory structure and free space count. and scandisk fix them all.



3. i boot into win xp, xp do chkdsk automically to all my hd, in win xp... long time not froze up (maybe 3-4 minutes, usually its freeze before 30 seconds), but then froze up again :( 



4. i turn off, disconect 2nd HD (XP), back to no 1 configuration, boot to win98, got error message like "bios checksum error". i reset the comp and it froze up again before 30 seconds in windows. what happen with my bios? cmos battery? i never seen this error before.



5. i want try to lowering clock, now mine is 100x3,5. i check the dip switch voltage, i see its 2,2 volt, but in user manual, got sign "*" in 2,8 volt. "*" = denotes default setting.

my question which one is default voltage for a K6-2 350?

in user manual for AMD, the lowest setting are 300mhz (66 x 4,5 or 100 x 3,5), but i see in Cyrix , intel and IDT section, the lowest is 66x2,5 = 166. so which one i should try? with default or lower voltage ?







@ Mitch074

im not try to boot with knoppix yet, but im sure i will try it.

my mobo isnt all integrated. it doesnt have integrated vga or sound.

but i have another mobo tx pro which have onboard vga and sound, but im not sure this old mobo will work because it more than 7 years i dont use it. i use it when im still using Pentium 100.

yes, maybe my K6 is got too warm so i must try downclock it right? i will....

thx



@caboose-1

i want to check all periperal independently, i mean try them all one by one to another comp, but now its very hard to find comp which are compatible with my rig.

i will try vga, hd with my athlon xp comp. but i wont dare to try my old psu on my atlhon xp...its just generic psu 300 & 380w ....thx



@ Grimmy

yes i should try minimum 6 hours of prime95. i'll find it out wheter my system stable or not. just run and go to sleep, see what happen in the morning :) 



@ Anoobis

yupe, i should try my gf4 mx460 with my athlon xp and do surface scan on the HD. thx



@hashv2f16

these problem start before and after i applied contact cleaner. because my friend tell me, his radio/tape can not turn on. then after applied contact cleaner if works again :) 

i do applied contact cleaner then dry it in the sun for 0,5 hours in the daylight. OMG i forgot to tell all of you that i forgot to take off the processor + its hsf. so.... maybe the sun burning some of the K6 transistor? because when i touch the hsf its as hot as my athlonxp's hsf in (+-)60c... "dreaded K6 warm up" ?

please tell me max temp for K6-2?



but, before i applied contact cleanner and dry it in the daylight, my comp is already have problem like i said before.



i'll post the result later after i do your advices.



thx for all your help, interest and attention.

Denny
April 21, 2006 7:25:38 AM

Quote:
@ Grimmy

to see if my OC was stable or not, im using Prime95 but just for 1 hour Razz

i dont know if it should run for 6-8 hours. im using 3DMark03 and 3DMark05 too (benchmark and demo), then playing BattleField2, NFSMW for 2-3 hours without problem.

i never try memtest on my Athlon.

I will try them to make sure my OC is stable or not... Thx


Well, I know I'm OC a processor that is not the same as yours, but I've done a Prime95 test, and my P4 failed in 2 hours. I could have done the same thing as you and said mine was stable if I did it for only 1 hour, instead of 6. :p 

in prime95 - torture test, which one i must select?
small, in-place or blend?


thx
April 21, 2006 9:08:07 AM

I've been using blend, where it test a bit of everything.
May 1, 2006 12:44:54 PM

Quote:
I've been using blend, where it test a bit of everything.


i have test it....for 6 hours

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/sevendp/prime95-tt-low.jpg

for K6 i 've already try, if i set to 100x2,5 = 250mhz
it is no freeze anymore, but now, but my comp can not detect my soundcard.
i have old mobo tx98b, highest fsb only support 66mhz, can i try put my k6 into it? (66x4,5 mhz)

i think its time to buy new one.
i would like to buy asrock 939dual sata2 with an athlon64.

thx a lot
dp
May 1, 2006 2:44:26 PM

I didn't try to look up the specs of a tx98b, but I just wanted to let you know that putting a K6-2 into an older mobo may kill your cpu if the mobo cannot supply the correct voltage. The first problem is that it needs to support split voltage cpus (Pentium MMM and K6 are 3.3/2.8 split volt cpus). Then the other cproblem is that it must be able to support giving LESS than 2.8 volts to your k6-2. Running your k6-2 at 2.8 volts is a sure-fire way to end it's life. In a board like that a regular k6 or pentium MMX is the way to go (as long as the board supports the split voltage).
May 2, 2006 2:00:17 PM

Quote:
I didn't try to look up the specs of a tx98b, but I just wanted to let you know that putting a K6-2 into an older mobo may kill your cpu if the mobo cannot supply the correct voltage. The first problem is that it needs to support split voltage cpus (Pentium MMM and K6 are 3.3/2.8 split volt cpus). Then the other cproblem is that it must be able to support giving LESS than 2.8 volts to your k6-2. Running your k6-2 at 2.8 volts is a sure-fire way to end it's life. In a board like that a regular k6 or pentium MMX is the way to go (as long as the board supports the split voltage).


i see....
in 1999, before i bought this k6-2, i ever bought a k6-2 that doesnt work in my DFI mobo, using 100x3,5, then i know from my friend that my k6-2 doesnt support fsb 100 instead of 66mhz, it works on 66mhz x 4,5 = 300mhz in my tx98b, but i rma it, and get this k6-2 (support fsb 100 mhz)

can u tell me how the 2 different k-6 cpu, one can running in my tx98, and the other can not? thx for the info about split volts cpu, i dont know about it before.
if i change the dip switch voltage to 2,8v then put the k6-2 into it, will it work?
can a k6-2 100mhz cpu running at 66mhz?

thank you :) 
May 3, 2006 3:30:51 AM

Putting a K6-2 into a board that can only supply 2.8 volts will just be massively overvolting the cpu. Most K6-2s operate at 2.4 volts or less. Running them at 2.8 volts will make the chip run hotter, among other things. The MMX and the K6, not K6-2, run at 2.8 volts. Non-MMX pentiums and K5 cpu's all operate at 3.3 volts (no split voltage).

If your tx98b could operate a K6-2 cpu before, then it at least has to be split volt capable. I say try installing your cpu in it and see if it works. :wink: If the board has dip switches or jumpers to set the cpu voltage, just set it to what is recommended on the top of the K6-2.
May 3, 2006 3:56:16 AM

Quote:
Putting a K6-2 into a board that can only supply 2.8 volts will just be massively overvolting the cpu. Most K6-2s operate at 2.4 volts or less. Running them at 2.8 volts will make the chip run hotter, among other things. The MMX and the K6, not K6-2, run at 2.8 volts. Non-MMX pentiums and K5 cpu's all operate at 3.3 volts (no split voltage).

If your tx98b could operate a K6-2 cpu before, then it at least has to be split volt capable. I say try installing your cpu in it and see if it works. :wink: If the board has dip switches or jumpers to set the cpu voltage, just set it to what is recommended on the top of the K6-2.



My K6-2/350AMZ requires 1.9V CORE / 3.3V I/O

0036EPMW 7

(C) 1998 AMD

ASSEMBLED IN MALAYSIA
May 3, 2006 4:06:28 AM

or if nothing else works it might be heat damage and in the garbage it goes
May 3, 2006 4:17:48 AM

Quote:
or if nothing else works it might be heat damage and in the garbage it goes



You can probably find parts on ebay or elsewhere online cheap.
May 3, 2006 4:42:43 PM

Quote:
Putting a K6-2 into a board that can only supply 2.8 volts will just be massively overvolting the cpu. Most K6-2s operate at 2.4 volts or less. Running them at 2.8 volts will make the chip run hotter, among other things. The MMX and the K6, not K6-2, run at 2.8 volts. Non-MMX pentiums and K5 cpu's all operate at 3.3 volts (no split voltage).

If your tx98b could operate a K6-2 cpu before, then it at least has to be split volt capable. I say try installing your cpu in it and see if it works. :wink: If the board has dip switches or jumpers to set the cpu voltage, just set it to what is recommended on the top of the K6-2.



My K6-2/350AMZ requires 1.9V CORE / 3.3V I/O

0036EPMW 7

(C) 1998 AMD

ASSEMBLED IN MALAYSIA


As I said, 2.4 volts or less. k6-2s made at the very end of production run on 2.0 volts (die shrink), and many laptop-derived k6-2s could run low volts too, such as that 350AMZ you have there. My particular K6-2 is supposed to operate at 2.4 volts, but I run it at 2.0 volts to keep the temps down, hence the 350 MHz instead of 450.
May 4, 2006 5:31:23 AM

hi...
i have download manual for tx98,

got this...



its only support:

3.52V

3.45V

3.2V

2.9V

2.8V

2.2V



there is no 2,4v :( 



can i change it to 2,2v and try? work or not? or it can kill the cpu too?



this tx98 mobo using an old psu, the "on/off switch" in the case directly connected to psu (4 cables), not like my dfi mobo (2 cables connect to mobo).



is this psu can killed the cpu? i think it only have 200 or 250w. my dfi got psu with 380w. is 200/250w enough for a k6-2?



or can i put my p100 to dfi mobo? but there is no combination fsb x multiplier near 100mhz :( 

the lowest combination is 66 x 2,5 = 166 (according to this picture)

is there any way to change it -> 66 x 1,5 or 100 x 1 ?



should i throw it to garbage? lol



im not see the processor batch yet, but i will see it this night.



thanks all

dp
May 4, 2006 5:35:36 AM

hi...
i have download manual for tx98,
got this...
its only support:
3.52V
3.45V
3.2V
2.9V
2.8V
2.2V

there is no 2,4v :( 
can i change it to 2,2v and try? work or not? or it can kill the cpu too?

this tx98 mobo using an old psu, the "on/off switch" in the case directly connected to psu (4 cables), not like my dfi mobo (2 cables connect to mobo).
is this psu can killed the cpu? i think it only have 200 or 250w. my dfi got psu with 380w. is 200/250w enough for a k6-2?
or can i put my p100 to dfi mobo? but there is no combination fsb x multiplier near 100mhz :( 

the lowest combination is 66 x 2,5 = 166 (according to this picture below)

is there any way to change it -> 66 x 1,5 or 100 x 1 ?

should i throw it to garbage? lol
im not see the processor batch yet, but i will see it this night.

thanks all
dp
May 4, 2006 5:39:42 AM

Quote:
should i throw it to garbage?


great idea! i don't think its really worth the time to fix and if something had actually died then that would mean you would have to buy replacement parts.
May 4, 2006 5:46:00 AM

Don't worry about the PSU, it should be fine, unless it's broken.


You can undervolt the CPU all day long, it might not work correctly but it will not break.

If you overvolt it it will almost definitely break.

It's always safe to go lower but never higher

The same applies to the multiplier and FSB frequency.


multiplier x FSB = core clock
May 4, 2006 6:02:22 AM

sorry for double post :) 
and i dont see if joefriday already reply, because my internet connection so slow *cant wait* :p 
so i can try 2,2v :) 

yes maybe u are right, i should throw it, but the problem is....
me and my bro needs a comp (in different city of course). theres only 1 comp i used for now (atlhon xp), if i buy now.....i think this end of the year will happen "price-drop significantly" because of conroe.
so i think better wait until conroe come out, then think again what to buy.....a cheaper AMD or Conroe (if i have bucks for it)

the problem is money....... lol

so i try to make my old comp k6-2 alive, because my bro only typing :) 

any idea pls welcome
thx
dp
May 4, 2006 5:30:19 PM

What linux_O said is the way to go. Set the jumpers to 2.2volts, and set the speed to whatever you want 66 x 3 would be fine). See if everything works after this. The power supply is fine. I'm using a 200 watt unit in my rig, and it's more than adequate. If windows 98 works, great...it may have been a mobo issue. Windows xp may not want to boot if the two mobo's are too different from each other, so I'd only test windows 98 at this point. I would recommend a reinstall of the operating systems for stability reasons once your done troubleshooting. I don't know if xp will run that well on the k6-2 when it's only running at ~200 MHz....you may have to do without XP.

don't even think about putting that Pentium 100 MHz into your DFI...even if it works, it's not gonna be fast enough to use windows 98 or windows xp. You're better off using this K6-2 in the tx98.
May 4, 2006 11:21:35 PM

Windows 98 isn't more CPU hungry than Win95, and is actually a bit more stable - so it should run correctly on a P100 (following these tricks: enable disk DMA, set buffers at 99 in config.sys, and set file system access optimization to 'server' - next, set a static size for the swap file, and reduce CDROM cache to its minimum).

Win98 merely ate more HD space.
May 5, 2006 2:01:11 AM

and ram. Using Office on a pentium 100 is not real-time. I've used a p133 and 32 mb of ram on windows 95, and when using office 2000, i was frequently waiting on the cpu to catch up to my typing. That's why business winstone was a benchmark. today is doesn't really matter, but back in the day, cpus were measured by how well they could run office apps! Trust me, a pentium 100 will be slow when using windows 98. It will just be slow, period. It's only 100 MHz!
May 5, 2006 2:20:22 AM

Guys... you're both right :-D :-D

RAM is critical.

But a P100 isn't super fast either.

98SE should be a bit more stable but if the system doesn't have enough RAM it's going to be painfully slow.

For about $150-$250 you can probably get a K7 online.

I configured a full Sempron64 the other day for $345 delivered from Newegg.

I would post the wish list but when I went to check on it, it was empty...

I'll redo it later.

:-D
May 5, 2006 5:58:47 AM

ok, i will try this soon.
i know k6-2 will work better in win98, but i have "ALI pci to usb card" it doesnt work
on win98 :(  and my bro always use flashdisk, thats why im using 2 OS.
i already found "ALI pci to usb card" driver for win98, but it doesnt work.
so....when i can not find this *work driver* my bro cant use his flashdisk on win98.

thx Mitch074 for the tips, i'll follow them :) 
my k6-2 use 2 HD (10 & 20 GB) so ... i think HD space isnt the problem

yupe, maybe a sempron + mobo, but sempron socket A is more expansive than socket 754 right?

thank you all
sincerelly
dp
May 5, 2006 7:16:46 AM

Using the optimisations I've described (they work on win95 with spectacular results), and a nice amount of RAM, you can run office applications without too much trouble. I must admit that at the time I wasn't using bloatoffice 2000 but 97 - 2000 was so bloated, buggy and unstable then that 97 seemed much nicer (no lag when typing, so you're right, linux_0), and I stuck to it until I switched to OffXP - and rediscovered OOo with version 1.1, at which time I eradicated all versions of MSO from my family's rigs.
May 5, 2006 7:30:21 AM

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Using the optimisations I've described (they work on win95 with spectacular results), and a nice amount of RAM, you can run office applications without too much trouble. I must admit that at the time I wasn't using bloatoffice 2000 but 97 - 2000 was so bloated, buggy and unstable then that 97 seemed much nicer (no lag when typing, so you're right, linux_0), and I stuck to it until I switched to OffXP - and rediscovered OOo with version 1.1, at which time I eradicated all versions of MSO from my family's rigs.



Aye OO.org is awesome :-D


Here's a budget 754 config:

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWis...

http://spare2.com/budget.html


It's not meant to be pretty, it is meant to be as inexpensive as possible without using completely worthless components.
May 5, 2006 7:39:32 AM

Funny, I built pretty much the same rigs for work (swap WD for Hitachi HD, and integrated graphics for passively cooled FX5200).
- Asus mobo
- Sempron64 2600+
- 512 Mb Corsair value
- cheapo quality mid tower

It works quite fine.
May 5, 2006 9:00:45 AM

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Funny, I built pretty much the same rigs for work (swap WD for Hitachi HD, and integrated graphics for passively cooled FX5200).
- Asus mobo
- Sempron64 2600+
- 512 Mb Corsair value
- cheapo quality mid tower

It works quite fine.



:-D

That is a decent option for someone on a tight budget and should be fine for most day to day tasks.

It's certainly not a gaming rig but it is surprisingly upgradeable.
May 6, 2006 4:10:18 AM

guys, last night i tried:

set my tx98 voltage to 2,2v
increase multiplier to 4,5 x 66mhz
and put SDRAM 1 x 64mb pc 100 + 1 x 128mb pc 100.
my tx got 2 slot for SDRAM and 2 slot for EDO RAM
then put my K6-2, it can boot, recognize as amd k6-2 300mhz and memory 192mb.

but the bad news my cdrom aopen 40x broken,
i dont know what happen, the led indicator always on, but when i push the eject button, nothing happen, i try to change the cable data but still no work.
so i cant try knoppix / install win98 yet. this night i will take my dvdrom to try. hope this work.
tx98 got sis vga and cmedia sound onboard. i can share memory for video max to 4mb.
with this vga can i play insaniquarium on it?

192mb ram is good, right? i have 64mb more. cannot put it too cause mobo only have 2 slot....
now im using OO v20 :)  its nice. when i convert xls to dbf with officexp/2003 its only can convert half of the data, when i do with OO, 100% data converted :) 
but my bro always use m$ office.

but, can a tx98 recognize 10 - 20 GB HD?
because at the time my HD only 840mb.
should i flash the bios? like i have done with my dfi, my dfi cannot recognize 40GB HD, after i flash the bios, it can recognize it :p 

i already see the wish list.....
maybe i can buy mobo and sempron,
HD + video use the old one
ram, take my 2 x 128mb DDR

one question again, my geforce mx 460 is work, but sometime when i touch the board (not the hsf) its warm enough (almost hot i think) what happen with my mx460?

thx again
dp
May 6, 2006 4:49:44 AM

forgot one,
mobo tx98 got usb pin, it can be used?

thx
May 7, 2006 5:49:02 PM

for the cd rom, did you try to flip the ribbon cable 180 degrees? usually when the light stays on, it means that the ribbon cable is in upside down.

As for the hard drive, the only way to tell is to try.

So, did the motherboard swap fix your troubles? can it boot into Win. 98/Win xp?
May 8, 2006 5:25:38 AM

last night i 've tried:

1. Amd K6-2 300Mhz (66 x 4,5)

mobo tx98b

ram 192mb PC100

dvd-rom Liteon 16x

HD 10 & 20 GB

200W PSU

FDD 1,44Mb


note: tx98b can detect 20Gb HD :) 

- Knoppix can not run on this comp

in the screen "press any key to boot to knoppix", i push the enter,

then got message init .....gz

then suddenly monitor goes to blank screen, but DVDRom still "reading activity"

i've wait to long but still blank screen



- but installing win98 + winXp is Ok. win98 run nicely (i've tunning the performance

just like in your tips) thx :) 

i've copied the tx98b driver into HD, install then all and no "!" sign in the device

manager.

but in winXp, i got several "!" sign (other device). i think that was soundcard. this mobo

produced in 1998, so theres no winXp driver. maybe i should search and update the driver

luckily win98 works ok. i can play insaniquarium w.o hardware acceleration, and fps maybe

only got 20 fps.



- in win98 and winXP, they recognize a usb port namely : "sis 7001" or "sis 70001", i forgot

which one :( 

and in the mobo, i see a 9 or 7 pin for usb (i forgot too about 9 or 7 pic)

i'll check it later.



my gigabyte GA7N400L have optional ports for usb ( 2 ports exactly), put them in a empty pci slot.

and connect the connector to mobo. i think the connector is same with tx98b port. (i must make it

sure first).

can i use this tx98b usb port with gigabyte optional pci slot usb ?

im worry if it can be damaged my usb periperal (flashdisk, mouse etc).

can i try it safely? any tips?



2. then i try to my dfi, same periperal with upper parts, swap mobo & psu, added agp gf mx460.

when i turn on the computer, it can not boot! my monitor seemingly have no signal from video.

i try to reseat the video, but still no luck. i will try this video on other computer, see it

works or not.



3. psu for dfi 380w is have different connector with tx98b one. mobo dfi only have 20pin, mobo tx98

have connector 20 pin and the old one(AT psu ?), my psu 200w only have the old one connector.

can i use 380w psu on my mobo tx98b? i can put psu 20pin connector to mobo tx98b, but i dont know

how about the power switch. because psu 200w have cables directly connected to the power switch (4 bigger pin),

not like in the mobo dfi, where power switch connector connect to mobo (2pin).



4. i dont open the broken cdrom yet, but i will check it later.



thx for all your advice :) 
May 8, 2006 7:44:34 AM

As far the USB connectors are concerned check the manual for your old motherboard compare it to the pinout for the new motherboard and match them up.

Some like the one below use keyed connectors:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?image=13-99...

while others use individual connectors for each pin that can be moved around.
a b à CPUs
May 8, 2006 7:56:16 AM

could be a conflict with the old ISA non pnp sound cards?

my bad luck with VIA - ill never buy em again so im, blaming VIA

reset the cmos?

dust?

thermal paste yeah

the K6 (350nm) WAS hot, the 250nm K6-2's wernt as bad, and anything socket7 sucks running in xp - the FSB & Cache design is bad enough.

Quote:
hi, im new here...
my old comp spec:

AMD K6-2 350
DFI K6BV3+ (via)
SDRAM VISIPRO 256MB (2x64mb + 1x128mb)
Geforce 4mx 460 64mb DDR
HD Maxtor 20 GB + Seagate 10 GB
CDROM Aopen 40x
Generic PSU 380W
*old* Sound Blaster 32 ISA

i already clean up all components, use contact cleaner to mobo.....
but still.....freezing after few seconds in windows........ 98 or XP is the same.
try boot into safe mode, still same/keep freezing after few seconds.
before freezing, i can click start button and menu still appear ......then freeze....

with memtest-86, my memory is ok.....
i try reinstall windows, but when preparing to setup 70% freeze again.....
my bro use this comp for typing only......
in bios, temp is 45c.
i already try: changing PSU, boot without sound card & cdrom, use only 1 memory. but still freezing.

thx for any help......
note: sorry for my spell
:) 
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