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Anonymous
March 2, 2005 5:43:02 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if I recall
correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago
and can't even see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday, I checked
its status and it was there. What gives?

This was my original problem:

My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary Master (C:) , a 10GB
IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB
Zip Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is currently no problem with
the Unit. However, while testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection of how the BootDisk was
created) I was surprised to find out that the directory of C: is actually the
one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15 files.....the
Diagnostic Files listed in the BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible. Is this a common
occurrence? Would I have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should
have problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going? I never uninstalled
the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
Similar results occur when using a BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.

Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am unable to create another
BootDisk from WIN98SE OS. The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find the files needed.
By choosing ‘skip file’, I can see all the files that the System is looking
for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab and
Base5.cab. Those files are also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I
type the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box, the System
ignores all and insists that they cannot be found and keeps on prompting me
to insert the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong?
Any help will be appreciated.
PAL

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Anonymous
March 2, 2005 12:13:47 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file located on the
W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will not create a ram drive when used). I
am not clear on what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive lettering sequence off by
one letter.

C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both drives have W98
installed, C: drive will be the drive marked as Active. You can check the
partitions by using fdisk.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B698FCA3-87CC-4F72-9FC1-D88A7F9FF5EC@microsoft.com...
> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if I recall
> correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while
> ago
> and can't even see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday, I
> checked
> its status and it was there. What gives?
>
> This was my original problem:
>
> ?My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary Master (C:) , a 10GB
> IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a
> 250MB
> Zip Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is currently no problem
> with
> the Unit. However, while testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection of how the BootDisk
> was
> created) I was surprised to find out that the directory of C: is actually
> the
> one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15 files.....the
> Diagnostic Files listed in the BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive.
> The
> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible. Is this a common
> occurrence? Would I have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I
> should
> have problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going? I never uninstalled
> the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
> Similar results occur when using a BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>
> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am unable to create another
> BootDisk from WIN98SE OS. The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
> System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find the files
> needed.
> By choosing 'skip file', I can see all the files that the System is
> looking
> for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab and
> Base5.cab. Those files are also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I
> type the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box, the System
> ignores all and insists that they cannot be found and keeps on prompting
> me
> to insert the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong?
> Any help will be appreciated.
> PAL
Anonymous
March 3, 2005 2:37:07 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On 3/2/05 8:43 PM India Time, _Ron Badour_ wrote:

> You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe
> file located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
> not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
> what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
> type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive
> lettering sequence off by one letter.

I think RAMDRIVE is created AFTER the hardisk partition drives.

Could someone please clarify.

>
> C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both
> drives have W98 installed, C: drive will be the drive
> marked as Active. You can check the partitions by using
> fdisk.
>

> -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips:
> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "BAP"
> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B698FCA3-87CC-4F72-9FC1-D88A7F9FF5EC@microsoft.com...
>
>
>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message
>>> that, if I recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a
>>> title. I looked for replies just a while ago and
>>> can't even see the initial post. Before logging out,
>>> yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
>>> What gives?

Don't you think you should have specified which
mail/newsreader are you using?

check the settings in that.

>>>
>>> This was my original problem:
>>>
>>> ?My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
>>> Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
>>> Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
>>> Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
>>> currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
>>> testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
>>> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
>>> of how the BootDisk was created)

Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?

If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in
the sequence of drives.

If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
change.

Please provide relevant details.

> I was surprised to
>>> find out that the directory of C: is actually the one
>>> from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15
>>> files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
>>> BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
>>> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible.
>>> Is this a common occurrence?

I have never heard of nor faced the above ever.

> Would I have to
>>> disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should have
>>> problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going?

That is too drastic.

First, think of primary steps.

If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives
appear, and do they appear in the right sequence?

> I
>>> never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
>>> Similar results occur when using a BootDisk
>>> downloaded from Bootdisk.com.

What is the booting order in your system setup (press del
key when system is booting),
go to second option

It is mentioned there.

>>>
>>> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
>>> unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.

How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?

Is it through
Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?

That creates a floppy disk.

>>> The problem is that, when I try to do so, the System
>>> asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find
>>> the files needed.

Is it able to access the CD?
Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have
inserted the CD, and give OK in the alert window.

>>> By choosing 'skip file', I can see
>>> all the files that the System is looking for. Those
>>> files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab
>>> and Base5.cab. Those files are also in
>>> C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type the
>>> locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box,
>>> the System ignores all and insists that they cannot
>>> be found and keeps on prompting me to insert the
>>> WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help will be
>>> appreciated. PAL

I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98
setup files for creating a startup disk.

Pl provide more details as asked.

--
Rawat
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Anonymous
March 3, 2005 2:37:08 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yes, the letter assigned to RAM Drive is the one immediately following
hard disk partitions. Ron was referring to CD and DVD and other
"removable media" drives.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"V S Rawat" <VSRawat@HCLInfinet.com> wrote in message
news:utVjtq1HFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> On 3/2/05 8:43 PM India Time, _Ron Badour_ wrote:
>
> > You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe
> > file located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
> > not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
> > what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
> > type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive
> > lettering sequence off by one letter.
>
> I think RAMDRIVE is created AFTER the hardisk partition drives.
>
> Could someone please clarify.
>
> >
> > C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both
> > drives have W98 installed, C: drive will be the drive
> > marked as Active. You can check the partitions by using
> > fdisk.
> >
>
> > -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips:
> > http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "BAP"
> > <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:B698FCA3-87CC-4F72-9FC1-D88A7F9FF5EC@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> >>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message
> >>> that, if I recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a
> >>> title. I looked for replies just a while ago and
> >>> can't even see the initial post. Before logging out,
> >>> yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
> >>> What gives?
>
> Don't you think you should have specified which
> mail/newsreader are you using?
>
> check the settings in that.
>
> >>>
> >>> This was my original problem:
> >>>
> >>> ?My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
> >>> Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
> >>> Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
> >>> Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
> >>> currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
> >>> testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
> >>> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
> >>> of how the BootDisk was created)
>
> Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?
>
> If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in
> the sequence of drives.
>
> If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
> change.
>
> Please provide relevant details.
>
> > I was surprised to
> >>> find out that the directory of C: is actually the one
> >>> from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15
> >>> files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
> >>> BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
> >>> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible.
> >>> Is this a common occurrence?
>
> I have never heard of nor faced the above ever.
>
> > Would I have to
> >>> disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should have
> >>> problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going?
>
> That is too drastic.
>
> First, think of primary steps.
>
> If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives
> appear, and do they appear in the right sequence?
>
> > I
> >>> never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
> >>> Similar results occur when using a BootDisk
> >>> downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>
> What is the booting order in your system setup (press del
> key when system is booting),
> go to second option
>
> It is mentioned there.
>
> >>>
> >>> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
> >>> unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
>
> How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?
>
> Is it through
> Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
>
> That creates a floppy disk.
>
> >>> The problem is that, when I try to do so, the System
> >>> asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find
> >>> the files needed.
>
> Is it able to access the CD?
> Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have
> inserted the CD, and give OK in the alert window.
>
> >>> By choosing 'skip file', I can see
> >>> all the files that the System is looking for. Those
> >>> files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab
> >>> and Base5.cab. Those files are also in
> >>> C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type the
> >>> locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box,
> >>> the System ignores all and insists that they cannot
> >>> be found and keeps on prompting me to insert the
> >>> WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help will be
> >>> appreciated. PAL
>
> I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98
> setup files for creating a startup disk.
>
> Pl provide more details as asked.
>
> --
> Rawat
Anonymous
March 3, 2005 2:37:08 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

You are right and so is Gary--I was thinking about the CDRom/DVD drive
letters but did not convey that very well in my message.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"V S Rawat" <VSRawat@HCLInfinet.com> wrote in message
news:utVjtq1HFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> On 3/2/05 8:43 PM India Time, _Ron Badour_ wrote:
>
>> You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file located on the
>> W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
>> not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on what you are
>> seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
>> type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive lettering sequence
>> off by one letter.
>
> I think RAMDRIVE is created AFTER the hardisk partition drives.
>
> Could someone please clarify.
>
>>
>> C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both drives have W98
>> installed, C: drive will be the drive marked as Active. You can check
>> the partitions by using fdisk.
>>
>
>> -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips:
>> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "BAP"
>> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B698FCA3-87CC-4F72-9FC1-D88A7F9FF5EC@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message
>>>> that, if I recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a
>>>> title. I looked for replies just a while ago and
>>>> can't even see the initial post. Before logging out,
>>>> yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
>>>> What gives?
>
> Don't you think you should have specified which mail/newsreader are you
> using?
>
> check the settings in that.
>
>>>>
>>>> This was my original problem:
>>>>
>>>> ?My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
>>>> Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
>>>> Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
>>>> Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
>>>> currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
>>>> testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I upgraded WIN98 OS to
>>>> WIN98SE ......no recollection
>>>> of how the BootDisk was created)
>
> Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?
>
> If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in the sequence
> of drives.
>
> If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the sequence might change.
>
> Please provide relevant details.
>
>> I was surprised to
>>>> find out that the directory of C: is actually the one
>>>> from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15
>>>> files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
>>>> BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The Primary Master and the
>>>> Zip Drive are not accessible.
>>>> Is this a common occurrence?
>
> I have never heard of nor faced the above ever.
>
>> Would I have to
>>>> disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should have
>>>> problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going?
>
> That is too drastic.
>
> First, think of primary steps.
>
> If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives appear, and do
> they appear in the right sequence?
>
>> I
>>>> never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave. Similar results
>>>> occur when using a BootDisk
>>>> downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>
> What is the booting order in your system setup (press del key when system
> is booting),
> go to second option
>
> It is mentioned there.
>
>>>>
>>>> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
>>>> unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
>
> How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?
>
> Is it through
> Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
>
> That creates a floppy disk.
>
>>>> The problem is that, when I try to do so, the System
>>>> asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find
>>>> the files needed.
>
> Is it able to access the CD?
> Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have inserted the CD,
> and give OK in the alert window.
>
>>>> By choosing 'skip file', I can see
>>>> all the files that the System is looking for. Those
>>>> files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab
>>>> and Base5.cab. Those files are also in
>>>> C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type the
>>>> locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box,
>>>> the System ignores all and insists that they cannot
>>>> be found and keeps on prompting me to insert the
>>>> WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help will be
>>>> appreciated. PAL
>
> I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98 setup files for
> creating a startup disk.
>
> Pl provide more details as asked.
>
> --
> Rawat
Anonymous
March 3, 2005 6:25:05 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron!
.......
Ron: - You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file located on
the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will not create a ram drive when used).
I am not clear on what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive lettering sequence off by
one letter.
.......
BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy BootDisk has 25 files.
The ones dealing with ram
are Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These, incidentally, are in
my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
.......
Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both drives have W98
installed, C: drive will be the drive marked as Active. You can check the
partitions by using fdisk.
........
BAP:- Both HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the active C: drive
is the Primary Slave when I
boot with the Boot Disk.
------------------------------
To V S Rawat: Thanks, V S!
......
BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if
I recall correctly, had
RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago and can't
even see the initial post.
Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
What gives?
.......
V S:- ?Don't you think you should have specified which mail/newsreader are
you using? check the settings in that.
.....
BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0 Security Version. With it I upgraded the original
AOL 9.0 the same day, I
believe. Could that be the problem?
..............
V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?
If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in
the sequence of drives. If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the
sequence might change.
Please provide relevant details.
.......
BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot time, I chose to have
CD-Rom support.
.........
V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives appear, and
do they appear in the right
sequence?
.........
BAP:- All are in the proper order with a normal boot.
........
V S:- ?What is the booting order in your system setup (press del key when
system is booting), go to second option. It is mentioned there.
.....
BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to you, if I can make some
sense of what I see. But, would it show the normal setup that leads to a
normal boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes alive after all
that initial stuff.
.......
V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?
Is it through
Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk? That
creates a floppy disk.
.........
BAP:- That is what I try to do, but still cannot create the bootdisk, as
explained in my post.
........
V S:- ?Is it able to access the CD?
Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have
inserted the CD, and give OK in the alert window.
........
BAP:- Yes! I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not sure what the
‘alert window’ is.
...........
V S:- I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98 setup files
for creating a startup disk.
......
BAP:- I did not think so, myself.
------------------------------------------------
Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs.
I do hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on this matters. I
also hope that I’ve given
sufficient details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my original
post, the Computer is working
relatively well and I should not be so concerned. If I should need to use
the BootDisk, I won’t mind to
disable the Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see the
Primary Master as the active Drive.
-------------------------------------------------------------
"BAP" wrote:

> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if I recall
> correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago
> and can't even see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday, I checked
> its status and it was there. What gives?
>
> This was my original problem:
>
> My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary Master (C:) , a 10GB
> IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB
> Zip Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is currently no problem with
> the Unit. However, while testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection of how the BootDisk was
> created) I was surprised to find out that the directory of C: is actually the
> one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15 files.....the
> Diagnostic Files listed in the BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible. Is this a common
> occurrence? Would I have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should
> have problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going? I never uninstalled
> the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
> Similar results occur when using a BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>
> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am unable to create another
> BootDisk from WIN98SE OS. The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
> System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find the files needed.
> By choosing ‘skip file’, I can see all the files that the System is looking
> for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab and
> Base5.cab. Those files are also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I
> type the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box, the System
> ignores all and insists that they cannot be found and keeps on prompting me
> to insert the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong?
> Any help will be appreciated.
> PAL
Anonymous
March 3, 2005 9:30:00 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:

> To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron!
> .......
> Ron: - You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file located on
> the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will not create a ram drive when used).
> I am not clear on what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
> type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive lettering sequence off by
> one letter.
> .......
> BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy BootDisk has 25 files.
> The ones dealing with ram
> are Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These, incidentally, are in
> my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
> .......
> Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both drives have W98
> installed, C: drive will be the drive marked as Active. You can check the
> partitions by using fdisk.
> ........
> BAP:- Both HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the active C: drive
> is the Primary Slave when I
> boot with the Boot Disk.
> ------------------------------
> To V S Rawat: Thanks, V S!
> ......
> BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if
> I recall correctly, had
> RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago and can't
> even see the initial post.
> Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
> What gives?
> .......
> V S:- ?Don't you think you should have specified which mail/newsreader are
> you using? check the settings in that.
> .....
> BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0 Security Version. With it I upgraded the original
> AOL 9.0 the same day, I
> believe. Could that be the problem?

Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used Netscape
and now use Thunderbird.

A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing can
only be explained by some filters or thread collapse/expand
in your newsreader. Hope some AOL expert could provide some
clue.

> ..............
> V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?
> If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in
> the sequence of drives. If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the
> sequence might change.
> Please provide relevant details.
> .......
> BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot time, I chose to have
> CD-Rom support.

Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already there.

As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have single
partition, that will become C and D.

I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or after
zipdrive. anyone.

I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
booted from bootdisk

Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?

> .........
> V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives appear, and
> do they appear in the right
> sequence?
> .........
> BAP:- All are in the proper order with a normal boot.

Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is becoming
tedious questioning. I am just trying to understand it.

Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.

What drives do you see?
> ........
> V S:- ?What is the booting order in your system setup (press del key when
> system is booting), go to second option. It is mentioned there.
> .....
> BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to you, if I can make some
> sense of what I see. But, would it show the normal setup that leads to a
> normal boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes alive after all
> that initial stuff.

No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No floppy
will be accessed by that time.

When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a few times.

A window will open having startup setup options.

Select the second option (I don't recall the name. someone
please?). In this the sequence of first two or three boot
devices will be listed. Could you please post them.

> .......
> V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?
> Is it through
> Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk? That
> creates a floppy disk.
> .........
> BAP:- That is what I try to do, but still cannot create the bootdisk, as
> explained in my post.
> ........
> V S:- ?Is it able to access the CD?
> Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have
> inserted the CD, and give OK in the alert window.
> ........
> BAP:- Yes! I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not sure what the
> 'alert window' is.

You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was asking
about that window as alert window. Does system check for CD
DRIVE before that alert and after you press some key to
proceed in that alert window?

> ...........
> V S:- I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98 setup files
> for creating a startup disk.
> ......
> BAP:- I did not think so, myself.
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs.
> I do hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on this matters. I
> also hope that I've given
> sufficient details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my original
> post, the Computer is working
> relatively well and I should not be so concerned. If I should need to use
> the BootDisk, I won't mind to
> disable the Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see the
> Primary Master as the active Drive.

I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence asking
some questions which might have been mentioned.

Do both your C and D disks are having w98 installations?

Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D as
slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk boot? Are
you checking the list it is showing at the time of booting,
just after memory test?


> -------------------------------------------------------------
> "BAP" wrote:
>
>
>>Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if I recall
>>correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago
>>and can't even see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday, I checked
>>its status and it was there. What gives?
>>
>>This was my original problem:
>>
>> My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary Master (C:) , a 10GB
>>IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB
>>Zip Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is currently no problem with
>>the Unit. However, while testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
>>upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection of how the BootDisk was
>>created) I was surprised to find out that the directory of C: is actually the
>>one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15 files.....the
>>Diagnostic Files listed in the BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
>>Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible. Is this a common
>>occurrence? Would I have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should
>>have problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going? I never uninstalled
>>the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
>>Similar results occur when using a BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>>
>>Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am unable to create another
>>BootDisk from WIN98SE OS. The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
>>System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find the files needed.
>>By choosing 'skip file', I can see all the files that the System is looking
>>for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab and
>>Base5.cab. Those files are also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I
>>type the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box, the System
>>ignores all and insists that they cannot be found and keeps on prompting me
>>to insert the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong?
>>Any help will be appreciated.
>>PAL

--
Rawat
Anonymous
March 4, 2005 8:49:12 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Sorry, V S, I’m getting somewhat confused about it all. This is what I’ve
come up to this point.
When booted normally, My Computer shows: A: Drive as the Floppy, no B: is
shown, C: is the Primary
Master of 30GB size, D: is the Slave HD with 10GB, E: is the ZIP Drive and
F: is the CD_ROM Drive.
When pressing Del key while booting with the Floppy BootDisk:
The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave and Secondary
Master & Slave) to be on
Auto. A:D rive is shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none.
The IDE window shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and that
of the Primary Slave is
about 10GB. No size is shown for the Secondary Master or Slave.
If I allow booting with CD-ROM support, the remaining message on the screen,
before the A: Prompt, is
Diagnostic Tools were successfully loaded to drive D
MSCDEX Version 2.25 Copyright (C) Microsoft Cor. 1986-1995 All rights
reserved
Drive E: = Driver MSCD001 Unit 0.
The Command Dir in A: shows the Floppy’s contents - in B: (Surprising -
never tried it earlier) shows the
ZIP Drive contents - in C: shows the Slave HD contents - in D: shows the
Diagnostic Tool Files - in E:
shows the CD-ROM CD’s contents. F: is invalid.
Booting without CD-ROM support, all is the same except that both E: and F:
are invalid Drives.

The OS in the Slave CD is W98. I might have tried to upgrade it to W98SE,
but I reverted to W98
because of some forgotten problem. That HD developed some bad tracks and I
decided to replace it with
a new and larger capacity Maxtor HD. Its OS and Files were transferred to
the new HD via Maxtor’s
software. The new HD became the Primary Master. I kept the old CD as the
Slave. A few months back I
upgraded the Master to W98SE. I can’t recall, but the CD must have prompted
me to create a BootDisk
and I accepted. That had to be source of the BootDisk that I am using. As
I’ve stated, I cannot create
another startup floppy with the current OS.

Sorry, V S! Still confused about this:
You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was asking about that window
as alert window.
Does system check for CD DRIVE before that alert and after you press some
key to
proceed in that alert window?
I now see that you might be asking if I notice if the CD is accessed when I
try to create the bootDisk.
The light does not change to green and a new window pops up and in the
Dialog section shows
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS. When I change it to F:\WIN98\Base5.Cab and Press
OK, the light still
won’t change. It I type C:\Windows\Command\EBD (that is where the files that
the system is looking for)
the OS still will not do anything.
Sorry to be such a 'pest'!
Thank you!


"V S Rawat" wrote:

> On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>
> > To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron!
> > .......
> > Ron: - You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file located on
> > the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will not create a ram drive when used).
> > I am not clear on what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
> > type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive lettering sequence off by
> > one letter.
> > .......
> > BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy BootDisk has 25 files.
> > The ones dealing with ram
> > are Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These, incidentally, are in
> > my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
> > .......
> > Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both drives have W98
> > installed, C: drive will be the drive marked as Active. You can check the
> > partitions by using fdisk.
> > ........
> > BAP:- Both HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the active C: drive
> > is the Primary Slave when I
> > boot with the Boot Disk.
> > ------------------------------
> > To V S Rawat: Thanks, V S!
> > ......
> > BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if
> > I recall correctly, had
> > RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago and can't
> > even see the initial post.
> > Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
> > What gives?
> > .......
> > V S:- ?Don't you think you should have specified which mail/newsreader are
> > you using? check the settings in that.
> > .....
> > BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0 Security Version. With it I upgraded the original
> > AOL 9.0 the same day, I
> > believe. Could that be the problem?
>
> Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used Netscape
> and now use Thunderbird.
>
> A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing can
> only be explained by some filters or thread collapse/expand
> in your newsreader. Hope some AOL expert could provide some
> clue.
>
> > ..............
> > V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?
> > If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in
> > the sequence of drives. If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the
> > sequence might change.
> > Please provide relevant details.
> > .......
> > BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot time, I chose to have
> > CD-Rom support.
>
> Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already there.
>
> As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have single
> partition, that will become C and D.
>
> I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or after
> zipdrive. anyone.
>
> I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
> booted from bootdisk
>
> Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
> drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?
>
> > .........
> > V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives appear, and
> > do they appear in the right
> > sequence?
> > .........
> > BAP:- All are in the proper order with a normal boot.
>
> Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is becoming
> tedious questioning. I am just trying to understand it.
>
> Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.
>
> What drives do you see?
> > ........
> > V S:- ?What is the booting order in your system setup (press del key when
> > system is booting), go to second option. It is mentioned there.
> > .....
> > BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to you, if I can make some
> > sense of what I see. But, would it show the normal setup that leads to a
> > normal boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes alive after all
> > that initial stuff.
>
> No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No floppy
> will be accessed by that time.
>
> When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a few times.
>
> A window will open having startup setup options.
>
> Select the second option (I don't recall the name. someone
> please?). In this the sequence of first two or three boot
> devices will be listed. Could you please post them.
>
> > .......
> > V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?
> > Is it through
> > Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk? That
> > creates a floppy disk.
> > .........
> > BAP:- That is what I try to do, but still cannot create the bootdisk, as
> > explained in my post.
> > ........
> > V S:- ?Is it able to access the CD?
> > Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have
> > inserted the CD, and give OK in the alert window.
> > ........
> > BAP:- Yes! I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not sure what the
> > ‘alert window’ is.
>
> You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was asking
> about that window as alert window. Does system check for CD
> DRIVE before that alert and after you press some key to
> proceed in that alert window?
>
> > ...........
> > V S:- I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98 setup files
> > for creating a startup disk.
> > ......
> > BAP:- I did not think so, myself.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs.
> > I do hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on this matters. I
> > also hope that I’ve given
> > sufficient details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my original
> > post, the Computer is working
> > relatively well and I should not be so concerned. If I should need to use
> > the BootDisk, I won’t mind to
> > disable the Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see the
> > Primary Master as the active Drive.
>
> I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence asking
> some questions which might have been mentioned.
>
> Do both your C and D disks are having w98 installations?
>
> Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D as
> slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk boot? Are
> you checking the list it is showing at the time of booting,
> just after memory test?
>
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > "BAP" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Just yesterday morning I posted the following message that, if I recall
> >>correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a while ago
> >>and can't even see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday, I checked
> >>its status and it was there. What gives?
> >>
> >>This was my original problem:
> >>
> >> My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary Master (C:) , a 10GB
> >>IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB
> >>Zip Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is currently no problem with
> >>the Unit. However, while testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
> >>upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection of how the BootDisk was
> >>created) I was surprised to find out that the directory of C: is actually the
> >>one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15 files.....the
> >>Diagnostic Files listed in the BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
> >>Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible. Is this a common
> >>occurrence? Would I have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should
> >>have problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going? I never uninstalled
> >>the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
> >>Similar results occur when using a BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
> >>
> >>Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am unable to create another
> >>BootDisk from WIN98SE OS. The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
> >>System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find the files needed.
> >>By choosing ‘skip file’, I can see all the files that the System is looking
> >>for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab and
> >>Base5.cab. Those files are also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I
> >>type the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box, the System
> >>ignores all and insists that they cannot be found and keeps on prompting me
> >>to insert the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong?
> >>Any help will be appreciated.
> >>PAL
>
> --
> Rawat
>
Anonymous
March 5, 2005 4:01:14 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On 3/4/05 7:19 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:

> Sorry, V S, I'm getting somewhat confused about it all.
> This is what I've come up to this point. When booted
> normally, My Computer shows: A: Drive as the Floppy, no
> B: is shown,

Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to
floppy copy. You put first floppy, give the command copy A:
B:, and it will keep on asking to you to put first/second
floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.

> C: is the Primary Master of 30GB size, D: is the Slave HD
> with 10GB, E: is the ZIP Drive and F: is the CD_ROM
> Drive. When pressing Del key while booting with the
> Floppy BootDisk:

just a remark: Del key pressing does not alter how
you are booting. Del key is accepted before any botting is
done through any drive, so it will always take you to bios
setup. thought you might like to know about it.

> The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
> and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
> shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
> shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
> that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
> for the Secondary Master or Slave.

The above is shown if you have selected the first option in
the bios setup window that opens up after pressing del.

If you select the second option in that screen, that will
show at least three booting devices. I was asking about that
sequence.

Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere you are
sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is
written in front of that.

> If I allow booting with CD-ROM support, the remaining
> message on the screen, before the A: Prompt, is
> Diagnostic Tools were successfully loaded to drive D
> MSCDEX Version 2.25 Copyright (C) Microsoft Cor.
> 1986-1995 All rights reserved Drive E: = Driver MSCD001
> Unit 0. The Command Dir in A: shows the Floppy's contents
> - in B: (Surprising - never tried it earlier) shows the
> ZIP Drive contents -

wow. that is a new information for me.

Could anyone pleae please describe how can zip drive gets
shown in B: which is reserved for floppy drives?

> in C: shows the Slave HD contents - in D: shows the
> Diagnostic Tool Files - in E: shows the CD-ROM CD's
> contents. F: is invalid.

I get the picture.

I am bowled. It should not happen. your 30 GB should appear
as C:, your 10 GB should appear as D:, diagnostics in E:,
CDROM in F:, invalid G:

I wonder why it is not happening, unless there is something
in booting sequence.

> Booting without CD-ROM support, all is the same except
> that both E: and F: are invalid Drives.
>
> The OS in the Slave CD is W98.

that is what I had guessed that you D is also having w98
bootup, otherwise there is no way it can appear as C.

Don't know why it is bypassing C and is booting from D.

> I might have tried to upgrade it to W98SE, but I reverted
> to W98 because of some forgotten problem. That HD
> developed some bad tracks and I decided to replace it
> with a new and larger capacity Maxtor HD. Its OS and
> Files were transferred to the new HD via Maxtor's
> software. The new HD became the Primary Master. I kept
> the old CD as the Slave.

typo.

You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.

> A few months back I upgraded the Master to W98SE. I can't
> recall, but the CD must have prompted me to create a
> BootDisk and I accepted. That had to be source of the
> BootDisk that I am using. As I've stated, I cannot create
> another startup floppy with the current OS.
>
> Sorry, V S! Still confused about this: You had mentioned
> that system asks for a CD. I was asking about that window
> as alert window. Does system check for CD DRIVE before
> that alert and after you press some key to proceed in
> that alert window? I now see that you might be asking if
> I notice if the CD is accessed when I try to create the
> bootDisk. The light does not change to green and a new
> window pops up and in the Dialog section shows
> C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS. When I change it to
> F:\WIN98\Base5.Cab and Press OK, the light still won't
> change. It I type C:\Windows\Command\EBD (that is where
> the files that the system is looking for)

That mean system is not recognising your CD drive.

I am assuming that you are trying to create a bootdisk in
normal startup (without bootdisk)

> the OS still will not do anything. Sorry to be such a
> 'pest'!

Oh. It is OK to ask questions. We are all here to get our
queries clarifies, and problems cleared.


> Thank you!
>
>
> "V S Rawat" wrote:
>
>
>> On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>
>>
>>> To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron! ....... Ron: - You can
>>> make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file
>>> located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
>>> not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
>>> what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be
>>> the type that creates a ram drive and throws the
>>> drive lettering sequence off by one letter. .......
>>> BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy
>>> BootDisk has 25 files. The ones dealing with ram are
>>> Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These,
>>> incidentally, are in my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd
>>> folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
>>> ....... Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98
>>> on it. If both drives have W98 installed, C: drive
>>> will be the drive marked as Active. You can check
>>> the partitions by using fdisk. ........ BAP:- Both
>>> HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the
>>> active C: drive is the Primary Slave when I boot with
>>> the Boot Disk. ------------------------------ To V S
>>> Rawat: Thanks, V S! ...... BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday
>>> morning I posted the following message that, if I
>>> recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I
>>> looked for replies just a while ago and can't even
>>> see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday,
>>> I checked its status and it was there. What gives?
>>> ....... V S:- ?Don't you think you should have
>>> specified which mail/newsreader are you using? check
>>> the settings in that. ..... BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0
>>> Security Version. With it I upgraded the original AOL
>>> 9.0 the same day, I believe. Could that be the
>>> problem?
>>
>> Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used
>> Netscape and now use Thunderbird.
>>
>> A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing
>> can only be explained by some filters or thread
>> collapse/expand in your newsreader. Hope some AOL
>> expert could provide some clue.
>>
>>
>>> .............. V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk
>>> or a CD? If it is a floppy, there should not be any
>>> change at all in the sequence of drives. If it is CD
>>> and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
>>> change. Please provide relevant details. .......
>>> BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot
>>> time, I chose to have CD-Rom support.
>>
>> Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already
>> there.
>>
>> As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have
>> single partition, that will become C and D.
>>
>> I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or
>> after zipdrive. anyone.
>>
>> I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
>> booted from bootdisk
>>
>> Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
>> drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?
>>
>>
>>
>>> ......... V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and
>>> boot, do your all drives appear, and do they appear
>>> in the right sequence? ......... BAP:- All are in the
>>> proper order with a normal boot.
>>
>> Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is
>> becoming tedious questioning. I am just trying to
>> understand it.
>>
>> Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.
>>
>> What drives do you see?
>>
>>> ........ V S:- ?What is the booting order in your
>>> system setup (press del key when system is booting),
>>> go to second option. It is mentioned there. .....
>>> BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to
>>> you, if I can make some sense of what I see. But,
>>> would it show the normal setup that leads to a normal
>>> boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes
>>> alive after all that initial stuff.
>>
>> No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No
>> floppy will be accessed by that time.
>>
>> When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a
>> few times.
>>
>> A window will open having startup setup options.
>>
>> Select the second option (I don't recall the name.
>> someone please?). In this the sequence of first two or
>> three boot devices will be listed. Could you please
>> post them.
>>
>>
>>> ....... V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from
>>> wind98se os? Is it through
>>> Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
>>> That creates a floppy disk. ......... BAP:- That is
>>> what I try to do, but still cannot create the
>>> bootdisk, as explained in my post. ........ V S:- ?Is
>>> it able to access the CD? Is the CD drive diode
>>> turning on and off after you have inserted the CD,
>>> and give OK in the alert window. ........ BAP:- Yes!
>>> I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not
>>> sure what the 'alert window' is.
>>
>> You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was
>> asking about that window as alert window. Does system
>> check for CD DRIVE before that alert and after you
>> press some key to proceed in that alert window?
>>
>>
>>> ........... V S:- I don't think that the system needs
>>> to access CD or win98 setup files for creating a
>>> startup disk. ...... BAP:- I did not think so,
>>> myself.
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs. I do
>>> hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on
>>> this matters. I also hope that I've given sufficient
>>> details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my
>>> original post, the Computer is working relatively
>>> well and I should not be so concerned. If I should
>>> need to use the BootDisk, I won't mind to disable the
>>> Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see
>>> the Primary Master as the active Drive.
>>
>> I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence
>> asking some questions which might have been mentioned.
>>
>> Do both your C and D disks are having w98
>> installations?
>>
>> Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D
>> as slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk
>> boot? Are you checking the list it is showing at the
>> time of booting, just after memory test?
>>
>>
>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>> "BAP" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following
>>>> message that, if I recall correctly, had
>>>> RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a
>>>> while ago and can't even see the initial post.
>>>> Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status
>>>> and it was there. What gives?
>>>>
>>>> This was my original problem:
>>>>
>>>> My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
>>>> Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
>>>> Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
>>>> Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
>>>> currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
>>>> testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
>>>> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
>>>> of how the BootDisk was created) I was surprised to
>>>> find out that the directory of C: is actually the
>>>> one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows
>>>> 15 files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
>>>> BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
>>>> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not
>>>> accessible. Is this a common occurrence? Would I
>>>> have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I
>>>> should have problems and need to use a BootDisk to
>>>> get going? I never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the
>>>> Primary Slave. Similar results occur when using a
>>>> BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>>>>
>>>> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
>>>> unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
>>>> The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
>>>> System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it
>>>> cannot find the files needed. By choosing 'skip
>>>> file', I can see all the files that the System is
>>>> looking for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of
>>>> the CD in Base4.cab and Base5.cab. Those files are
>>>> also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type
>>>> the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog
>>>> Box, the System ignores all and insists that they
>>>> cannot be found and keeps on prompting me to insert
>>>> the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help
>>>> will be appreciated. PAL
>>
>> -- Rawat
>>

--
Rawat
Anonymous
March 5, 2005 7:51:03 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Thank you for your patience, V S!
Just some observations, answers to you questions, etc.
..........
V S - Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to floppy copy.
You put first floppy, give the command copy A: B:, and it will keep on asking
to you to put first/second
floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.

BAP - Got It!
................

BAP
> The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
> and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
> shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
> shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
> that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
> for the Secondary Master or Slave.

V S - The above is shown if you have selected the first option in the bios
setup window that opens up after pressing del. If you select the second
option in that screen, that will show at least three booting devices. I was
asking about that sequence. Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere
you are sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is written
in front of that.

BAP - Not too sure if I understand your instructions, as I fail to see the
method of exploring the option you describe. I did see a boot sequence that
shows A, C, SCSI. Is this what you are referring to?
Few entries below that sequence, I notice an entry that says, HDD
S.M.A.R.T. Disabled.
Is this significant? Sorry for failing you.
..........
V S - typo.
You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.

BAP - Correct! Sorry!
...........
BAP
> I notice that if the CD is accessed when I try to create the bootDisk. The light does not change to green

V S - That mean system is not recognising your CD drive. I am assuming that
you are trying to create a bootdisk in normal startup (without bootdisk)

BAP - Yes! Normal Startup.
-----------
BAP:
The Dialog section, I presume by default, whenever I try to create the
BootDisk and the System cannot find the Files in the CD, insists on showing
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS as the location where to copy the Files from, but
still can’t find them and reverts to asking for the CD. Since the System
ignores the latter, I copied the necessary Files from C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD
to the C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS Folder and tried again. Still NO GO and the
OS still prompts me to
insert the W98SE CD. Does this mean that the OS is not looking into this
Folder, either?
PAL
---------------------------------------------------------


"V S Rawat" wrote:

> On 3/4/05 7:19 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>
> > Sorry, V S, I’m getting somewhat confused about it all.
> > This is what I’ve come up to this point. When booted
> > normally, My Computer shows: A: Drive as the Floppy, no
> > B: is shown,
>
> Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to
> floppy copy. You put first floppy, give the command copy A:
> B:, and it will keep on asking to you to put first/second
> floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
>
> > C: is the Primary Master of 30GB size, D: is the Slave HD
> > with 10GB, E: is the ZIP Drive and F: is the CD_ROM
> > Drive. When pressing Del key while booting with the
> > Floppy BootDisk:
>
> just a remark: Del key pressing does not alter how
> you are booting. Del key is accepted before any botting is
> done through any drive, so it will always take you to bios
> setup. thought you might like to know about it.
>
> > The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
> > and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
> > shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
> > shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
> > that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
> > for the Secondary Master or Slave.
>
> The above is shown if you have selected the first option in
> the bios setup window that opens up after pressing del.
>
> If you select the second option in that screen, that will
> show at least three booting devices. I was asking about that
> sequence.
>
> Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere you are
> sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is
> written in front of that.
>
> > If I allow booting with CD-ROM support, the remaining
> > message on the screen, before the A: Prompt, is
> > Diagnostic Tools were successfully loaded to drive D
> > MSCDEX Version 2.25 Copyright (C) Microsoft Cor.
> > 1986-1995 All rights reserved Drive E: = Driver MSCD001
> > Unit 0. The Command Dir in A: shows the Floppy’s contents
> > - in B: (Surprising - never tried it earlier) shows the
> > ZIP Drive contents -
>
> wow. that is a new information for me.
>
> Could anyone pleae please describe how can zip drive gets
> shown in B: which is reserved for floppy drives?
>
> > in C: shows the Slave HD contents - in D: shows the
> > Diagnostic Tool Files - in E: shows the CD-ROM CD’s
> > contents. F: is invalid.
>
> I get the picture.
>
> I am bowled. It should not happen. your 30 GB should appear
> as C:, your 10 GB should appear as D:, diagnostics in E:,
> CDROM in F:, invalid G:
>
> I wonder why it is not happening, unless there is something
> in booting sequence.
>
> > Booting without CD-ROM support, all is the same except
> > that both E: and F: are invalid Drives.
> >
> > The OS in the Slave CD is W98.
>
> that is what I had guessed that you D is also having w98
> bootup, otherwise there is no way it can appear as C.
>
> Don't know why it is bypassing C and is booting from D.
>
> > I might have tried to upgrade it to W98SE, but I reverted
> > to W98 because of some forgotten problem. That HD
> > developed some bad tracks and I decided to replace it
> > with a new and larger capacity Maxtor HD. Its OS and
> > Files were transferred to the new HD via Maxtor’s
> > software. The new HD became the Primary Master. I kept
> > the old CD as the Slave.
>
> typo.
>
> You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
>
> > A few months back I upgraded the Master to W98SE. I can’t
> > recall, but the CD must have prompted me to create a
> > BootDisk and I accepted. That had to be source of the
> > BootDisk that I am using. As I’ve stated, I cannot create
> > another startup floppy with the current OS.
> >
> > Sorry, V S! Still confused about this: You had mentioned
> > that system asks for a CD. I was asking about that window
> > as alert window. Does system check for CD DRIVE before
> > that alert and after you press some key to proceed in
> > that alert window? I now see that you might be asking if
> > I notice if the CD is accessed when I try to create the
> > bootDisk. The light does not change to green and a new
> > window pops up and in the Dialog section shows
> > C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS. When I change it to
> > F:\WIN98\Base5.Cab and Press OK, the light still won’t
> > change. It I type C:\Windows\Command\EBD (that is where
> > the files that the system is looking for)
>
> That mean system is not recognising your CD drive.
>
> I am assuming that you are trying to create a bootdisk in
> normal startup (without bootdisk)
>
> > the OS still will not do anything. Sorry to be such a
> > 'pest'!
>
> Oh. It is OK to ask questions. We are all here to get our
> queries clarifies, and problems cleared.
>
>
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> > "V S Rawat" wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron! ....... Ron: - You can
> >>> make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file
> >>> located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
> >>> not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
> >>> what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be
> >>> the type that creates a ram drive and throws the
> >>> drive lettering sequence off by one letter. .......
> >>> BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy
> >>> BootDisk has 25 files. The ones dealing with ram are
> >>> Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These,
> >>> incidentally, are in my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd
> >>> folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
> >>> ....... Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98
> >>> on it. If both drives have W98 installed, C: drive
> >>> will be the drive marked as Active. You can check
> >>> the partitions by using fdisk. ........ BAP:- Both
> >>> HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the
> >>> active C: drive is the Primary Slave when I boot with
> >>> the Boot Disk. ------------------------------ To V S
> >>> Rawat: Thanks, V S! ...... BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday
> >>> morning I posted the following message that, if I
> >>> recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I
> >>> looked for replies just a while ago and can't even
> >>> see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday,
> >>> I checked its status and it was there. What gives?
> >>> ....... V S:- ?Don't you think you should have
> >>> specified which mail/newsreader are you using? check
> >>> the settings in that. ..... BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0
> >>> Security Version. With it I upgraded the original AOL
> >>> 9.0 the same day, I believe. Could that be the
> >>> problem?
> >>
> >> Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used
> >> Netscape and now use Thunderbird.
> >>
> >> A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing
> >> can only be explained by some filters or thread
> >> collapse/expand in your newsreader. Hope some AOL
> >> expert could provide some clue.
> >>
> >>
> >>> .............. V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk
> >>> or a CD? If it is a floppy, there should not be any
> >>> change at all in the sequence of drives. If it is CD
> >>> and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
> >>> change. Please provide relevant details. .......
> >>> BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot
> >>> time, I chose to have CD-Rom support.
> >>
> >> Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already
> >> there.
> >>
> >> As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have
> >> single partition, that will become C and D.
> >>
> >> I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or
> >> after zipdrive. anyone.
> >>
> >> I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
> >> booted from bootdisk
> >>
> >> Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
> >> drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ......... V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and
> >>> boot, do your all drives appear, and do they appear
> >>> in the right sequence? ......... BAP:- All are in the
> >>> proper order with a normal boot.
> >>
> >> Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is
> >> becoming tedious questioning. I am just trying to
> >> understand it.
> >>
> >> Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.
> >>
> >> What drives do you see?
> >>
> >>> ........ V S:- ?What is the booting order in your
> >>> system setup (press del key when system is booting),
> >>> go to second option. It is mentioned there. .....
> >>> BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to
> >>> you, if I can make some sense of what I see. But,
> >>> would it show the normal setup that leads to a normal
> >>> boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes
> >>> alive after all that initial stuff.
> >>
> >> No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No
> >> floppy will be accessed by that time.
> >>
> >> When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a
> >> few times.
> >>
> >> A window will open having startup setup options.
> >>
> >> Select the second option (I don't recall the name.
> >> someone please?). In this the sequence of first two or
> >> three boot devices will be listed. Could you please
> >> post them.
> >>
> >>
> >>> ....... V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from
> >>> wind98se os? Is it through
> >>> Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
> >>> That creates a floppy disk. ......... BAP:- That is
> >>> what I try to do, but still cannot create the
> >>> bootdisk, as explained in my post. ........ V S:- ?Is
> >>> it able to access the CD? Is the CD drive diode
> >>> turning on and off after you have inserted the CD,
> >>> and give OK in the alert window. ........ BAP:- Yes!
> >>> I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not
> >>> sure what the ‘alert window’ is.
> >>
> >> You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was
> >> asking about that window as alert window. Does system
> >> check for CD DRIVE before that alert and after you
> >> press some key to proceed in that alert window?
> >>
> >>
> >>> ........... V S:- I don't think that the system needs
> >>> to access CD or win98 setup files for creating a
> >>> startup disk. ...... BAP:- I did not think so,
> >>> myself.
> >>> ------------------------------------------------
> >>> Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs. I do
> >>> hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on
> >>> this matters. I also hope that I’ve given sufficient
> >>> details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my
> >>> original post, the Computer is working relatively
> >>> well and I should not be so concerned. If I should
> >>> need to use the BootDisk, I won’t mind to disable the
> >>> Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see
> >>> the Primary Master as the active Drive.
> >>
> >> I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence
> >> asking some questions which might have been mentioned.
> >>
> >> Do both your C and D disks are having w98
> >> installations?
> >>
> >> Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D
> >> as slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk
> >> boot? Are you checking the list it is showing at the
> >> time of booting, just after memory test?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> "BAP" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following
> >>>> message that, if I recall correctly, had
> >>>> RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a
> >>>> while ago and can't even see the initial post.
> >>>> Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status
> >>>> and it was there. What gives?
> >>>>
> >>>> This was my original problem:
> >>>>
> >>>> My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
> >>>> Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
> >>>> Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
> >>>> Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
> >>>> currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
> >>>> testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
> >>>> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
> >>>> of how the BootDisk was created) I was surprised to
> >>>> find out that the directory of C: is actually the
> >>>> one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows
> >>>> 15 files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
> >>>> BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
> >>>> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not
> >>>> accessible. Is this a common occurrence? Would I
> >>>> have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I
> >>>> should have problems and need to use a BootDisk to
> >>>> get going? I never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the
> >>>> Primary Slave. Similar results occur when using a
> >>>> BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
> >>>>
> >>>> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
> >>>> unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
> >>>> The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
> >>>> System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it
> >>>> cannot find the files needed. By choosing ‘skip
> >>>> file’, I can see all the files that the System is
> >>>> looking for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of
> >>>> the CD in Base4.cab and Base5.cab. Those files are
> >>>> also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type
> >>>> the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog
> >>>> Box, the System ignores all and insists that they
> >>>> cannot be found and keeps on prompting me to insert
> >>>> the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help
> >>>> will be appreciated. PAL
> >>
> >> -- Rawat
> >>
>
> --
> Rawat
>
Anonymous
March 6, 2005 1:38:22 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On 3/5/05 6:21 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:

> Thank you for your patience, V S!
> Just some observations, answers to you questions, etc.
> ..........
> V S - Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to floppy copy.
> You put first floppy, give the command copy A: B:, and it will keep on asking
> to you to put first/second
> floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
>
> BAP - Got It!
> ................
>
> BAP
>
>>The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
>>and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
>>shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
>>shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
>>that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
>>for the Secondary Master or Slave.
>
>
> V S - The above is shown if you have selected the first option in the bios
> setup window that opens up after pressing del. If you select the second
> option in that screen, that will show at least three booting devices. I was
> asking about that sequence. Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere
> you are sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is written
> in front of that.
>
> BAP - Not too sure if I understand your instructions, as I fail to see the
> method of exploring the option you describe.

You have reached there.

> I did see a boot sequence that
> shows A, C, SCSI. Is this what you are referring to?

Now that is very peculiar.

A is correct, as you are able to boot with your bootdisk in A.

But I am not able to understand why it is going to D
(skipping C) in floppy booting. I don't know why C is
disappeaing.

> Few entries below that sequence, I notice an entry that says, HDD
> S.M.A.R.T. Disabled.
> Is this significant? Sorry for failing you.

You did not fail.

SMART is some capability of HDisks. I think your 10GB might
not is having it (maybe it has). I think your 30 GB might be
having it (maybe it doesn't). but that does not affect the
booting sequence. Once this problem is solved, you might
start another thread for smart capability.

> ..........
> V S - typo.
> You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
>
> BAP - Correct! Sorry!
> ...........
> BAP
>
>>I notice that if the CD is accessed when I try to create the bootDisk. The light does not change to green
>
>
> V S - That mean system is not recognising your CD drive. I am assuming that
> you are trying to create a bootdisk in normal startup (without bootdisk)
>
> BAP - Yes! Normal Startup.
> -----------
> BAP:
> The Dialog section, I presume by default, whenever I try to create the
> BootDisk and the System cannot find the Files in the CD, insists on showing
> C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS as the location where to copy the Files from, but
> still can't find them and reverts to asking for the CD. Since the System
> ignores the latter, I copied the necessary Files from C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD
> to the C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS Folder and tried again. Still NO GO and the
> OS still prompts me to
> insert the W98SE CD. Does this mean that the OS is not looking into this
> Folder, either?

One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.

Finding your C: win98 version:

maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version
of 98 (say SE) and in the folder or in CD it is finding
files of different version of 98.

One try:

remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.

goto start-settings-controlpanel-System

There should be something mentioned there like

System:
Microsoft Windows 98
Second Edition
4.10.2222 A

Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
------------

now shutdown.

insert bootdisk, and boot from it.

once you reach commandprompt, give

ver (and press enter)

something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear

Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
----

Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart

Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)

go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
mentioned above (A, C, SCSI)

change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in
normal setup F is your CD ROM). You would be able to do it
by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that
box where "A" is appearing. then select F.

Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.

press F10 to save, Y, exit.

it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable
win98.

it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.

once you reach commandprompt, give

ver (and press enter)

something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear

What is written on it.
----------
If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk
win98 and your cdrom win98 are the same version.

If any of these three does not match, that is the culprit of
some other version. get that of same version as rest.

And you have already mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.

shutdown. remove cd. restart

Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)

go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
mentioned above (A, C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI
because you had just changed A to F

change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be
able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
enter in that box where "F" is appearing. then select D.

press F10 to save, Y, exit.

it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First
edition

once you reach desktop, give

goto start-settings-controlpanel-System

There should be something mentioned there like

System:
Microsoft Windows 98
First Edition (my guess)
4.10.1111 (my guess)

What is written on it?
-------

We shall see further after you give this info. It is looking
long but it is repetitive steps.

You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did
not work out, so you reverted to First edition.

Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first edition
from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE.

maybe somewhere some version clash has taken place.
-------
Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set
to D, which you need to change back to C.

shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.

the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change
it back from D to A.

save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).

It should boot from c

All the best.

One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
onwards you can do most of things with your CD.

> PAL
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> "V S Rawat" wrote:
>
>
>>On 3/4/05 7:19 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sorry, V S, I'm getting somewhat confused about it all.
>>>This is what I've come up to this point. When booted
>>>normally, My Computer shows: A: Drive as the Floppy, no
>>>B: is shown,
>>
>>Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to
>>floppy copy. You put first floppy, give the command copy A:
>>B:, and it will keep on asking to you to put first/second
>>floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
>>
>>
>>>C: is the Primary Master of 30GB size, D: is the Slave HD
>>>with 10GB, E: is the ZIP Drive and F: is the CD_ROM
>>>Drive. When pressing Del key while booting with the
>>>Floppy BootDisk:
>>
>>just a remark: Del key pressing does not alter how
>>you are booting. Del key is accepted before any botting is
>>done through any drive, so it will always take you to bios
>>setup. thought you might like to know about it.
>>
>>
>>>The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
>>>and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
>>>shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
>>>shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
>>>that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
>>>for the Secondary Master or Slave.
>>
>>The above is shown if you have selected the first option in
>>the bios setup window that opens up after pressing del.
>>
>>If you select the second option in that screen, that will
>>show at least three booting devices. I was asking about that
>>sequence.
>>
>>Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere you are
>>sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is
>>written in front of that.
>>
>>
>>>If I allow booting with CD-ROM support, the remaining
>>>message on the screen, before the A: Prompt, is
>>>Diagnostic Tools were successfully loaded to drive D
>>>MSCDEX Version 2.25 Copyright (C) Microsoft Cor.
>>>1986-1995 All rights reserved Drive E: = Driver MSCD001
>>>Unit 0. The Command Dir in A: shows the Floppy's contents
>>>- in B: (Surprising - never tried it earlier) shows the
>>>ZIP Drive contents -
>>
>>wow. that is a new information for me.
>>
>>Could anyone pleae please describe how can zip drive gets
>>shown in B: which is reserved for floppy drives?
>>
>>
>>>in C: shows the Slave HD contents - in D: shows the
>>>Diagnostic Tool Files - in E: shows the CD-ROM CD's
>>>contents. F: is invalid.
>>
>>I get the picture.
>>
>>I am bowled. It should not happen. your 30 GB should appear
>>as C:, your 10 GB should appear as D:, diagnostics in E:,
>>CDROM in F:, invalid G:
>>
>>I wonder why it is not happening, unless there is something
>>in booting sequence.
>>
>>
>>>Booting without CD-ROM support, all is the same except
>>>that both E: and F: are invalid Drives.
>>>
>>>The OS in the Slave CD is W98.
>>
>>that is what I had guessed that you D is also having w98
>>bootup, otherwise there is no way it can appear as C.
>>
>>Don't know why it is bypassing C and is booting from D.
>>
>>
>>>I might have tried to upgrade it to W98SE, but I reverted
>>>to W98 because of some forgotten problem. That HD
>>>developed some bad tracks and I decided to replace it
>>>with a new and larger capacity Maxtor HD. Its OS and
>>>Files were transferred to the new HD via Maxtor's
>>>software. The new HD became the Primary Master. I kept
>>>the old CD as the Slave.
>>
>>typo.
>>
>>You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
>>
>>
>>>A few months back I upgraded the Master to W98SE. I can't
>>>recall, but the CD must have prompted me to create a
>>>BootDisk and I accepted. That had to be source of the
>>>BootDisk that I am using. As I've stated, I cannot create
>>> another startup floppy with the current OS.
>>>
>>>Sorry, V S! Still confused about this: You had mentioned
>>>that system asks for a CD. I was asking about that window
>>> as alert window. Does system check for CD DRIVE before
>>>that alert and after you press some key to proceed in
>>>that alert window? I now see that you might be asking if
>>>I notice if the CD is accessed when I try to create the
>>>bootDisk. The light does not change to green and a new
>>>window pops up and in the Dialog section shows
>>>C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS. When I change it to
>>>F:\WIN98\Base5.Cab and Press OK, the light still won't
>>>change. It I type C:\Windows\Command\EBD (that is where
>>>the files that the system is looking for)
>>
>>That mean system is not recognising your CD drive.
>>
>>I am assuming that you are trying to create a bootdisk in
>>normal startup (without bootdisk)
>>
>>
>>>the OS still will not do anything. Sorry to be such a
>>>'pest'!
>>
>>Oh. It is OK to ask questions. We are all here to get our
>>queries clarifies, and problems cleared.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>>"V S Rawat" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron! ....... Ron: - You can
>>>>>make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file
>>>>>located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
>>>>>not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
>>>>>what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be
>>>>>the type that creates a ram drive and throws the
>>>>>drive lettering sequence off by one letter. .......
>>>>>BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy
>>>>>BootDisk has 25 files. The ones dealing with ram are
>>>>>Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These,
>>>>>incidentally, are in my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd
>>>>>folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
>>>>>....... Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98
>>>>>on it. If both drives have W98 installed, C: drive
>>>>>will be the drive marked as Active. You can check
>>>>>the partitions by using fdisk. ........ BAP:- Both
>>>>>HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>active C: drive is the Primary Slave when I boot with
>>>>>the Boot Disk. ------------------------------ To V S
>>>>>Rawat: Thanks, V S! ...... BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday
>>>>>morning I posted the following message that, if I
>>>>>recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I
>>>>>looked for replies just a while ago and can't even
>>>>>see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday,
>>>>>I checked its status and it was there. What gives?
>>>>>....... V S:- ?Don't you think you should have
>>>>>specified which mail/newsreader are you using? check
>>>>>the settings in that. ..... BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0
>>>>>Security Version. With it I upgraded the original AOL
>>>>>9.0 the same day, I believe. Could that be the
>>>>>problem?
>>>>
>>>>Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used
>>>>Netscape and now use Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>>A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing
>>>>can only be explained by some filters or thread
>>>>collapse/expand in your newsreader. Hope some AOL
>>>>expert could provide some clue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>.............. V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk
>>>>>or a CD? If it is a floppy, there should not be any
>>>>>change at all in the sequence of drives. If it is CD
>>>>>and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
>>>>>change. Please provide relevant details. .......
>>>>>BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot
>>>>>time, I chose to have CD-Rom support.
>>>>
>>>>Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already
>>>>there.
>>>>
>>>>As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have
>>>>single partition, that will become C and D.
>>>>
>>>>I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or
>>>>after zipdrive. anyone.
>>>>
>>>>I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
>>>> booted from bootdisk
>>>>
>>>>Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
>>>> drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>......... V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and
>>>>>boot, do your all drives appear, and do they appear
>>>>>in the right sequence? ......... BAP:- All are in the
>>>>>proper order with a normal boot.
>>>>
>>>>Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is
>>>>becoming tedious questioning. I am just trying to
>>>>understand it.
>>>>
>>>>Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.
>>>>
>>>>What drives do you see?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>........ V S:- ?What is the booting order in your
>>>>>system setup (press del key when system is booting),
>>>>>go to second option. It is mentioned there. .....
>>>>>BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to
>>>>>you, if I can make some sense of what I see. But,
>>>>>would it show the normal setup that leads to a normal
>>>>>boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes
>>>>>alive after all that initial stuff.
>>>>
>>>>No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No
>>>>floppy will be accessed by that time.
>>>>
>>>>When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a
>>>>few times.
>>>>
>>>>A window will open having startup setup options.
>>>>
>>>>Select the second option (I don't recall the name.
>>>>someone please?). In this the sequence of first two or
>>>>three boot devices will be listed. Could you please
>>>>post them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>....... V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from
>>>>>wind98se os? Is it through
>>>>>Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
>>>>>That creates a floppy disk. ......... BAP:- That is
>>>>>what I try to do, but still cannot create the
>>>>>bootdisk, as explained in my post. ........ V S:- ?Is
>>>>>it able to access the CD? Is the CD drive diode
>>>>>turning on and off after you have inserted the CD,
>>>>>and give OK in the alert window. ........ BAP:- Yes!
>>>>>I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not
>>>>>sure what the 'alert window' is.
>>>>
>>>>You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was
>>>>asking about that window as alert window. Does system
>>>>check for CD DRIVE before that alert and after you
>>>>press some key to proceed in that alert window?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>........... V S:- I don't think that the system needs
>>>>>to access CD or win98 setup files for creating a
>>>>>startup disk. ...... BAP:- I did not think so,
>>>>>myself.
>>>>>------------------------------------------------
>>>>>Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs. I do
>>>>>hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on
>>>>>this matters. I also hope that I've given sufficient
>>>>>details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my
>>>>>original post, the Computer is working relatively
>>>>>well and I should not be so concerned. If I should
>>>>>need to use the BootDisk, I won't mind to disable the
>>>>>Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see
>>>>>the Primary Master as the active Drive.
>>>>
>>>>I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence
>>>>asking some questions which might have been mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Do both your C and D disks are having w98
>>>>installations?
>>>>
>>>>Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D
>>>>as slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk
>>>>boot? Are you checking the list it is showing at the
>>>>time of booting, just after memory test?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "BAP" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Just yesterday morning I posted the following
>>>>>>message that, if I recall correctly, had
>>>>>>RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a
>>>>>>while ago and can't even see the initial post.
>>>>>>Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status
>>>>>>and it was there. What gives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This was my original problem:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
>>>>>>Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
>>>>>>Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
>>>>>>Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
>>>>>>currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
>>>>>>testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
>>>>>>upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
>>>>>>of how the BootDisk was created) I was surprised to
>>>>>>find out that the directory of C: is actually the
>>>>>>one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows
>>>>>>15 files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
>>>>>>BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
>>>>>>Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not
>>>>>>accessible. Is this a common occurrence? Would I
>>>>>>have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I
>>>>>>should have problems and need to use a BootDisk to
>>>>>>get going? I never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the
>>>>>>Primary Slave. Similar results occur when using a
>>>>>>BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
>>>>>>unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
>>>>>>The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
>>>>>>System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it
>>>>>>cannot find the files needed. By choosing 'skip
>>>>>>file', I can see all the files that the System is
>>>>>>looking for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of
>>>>>>the CD in Base4.cab and Base5.cab. Those files are
>>>>>>also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type
>>>>>>the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog
>>>>>>Box, the System ignores all and insists that they
>>>>>>cannot be found and keeps on prompting me to insert
>>>>>>the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help
>>>>>>will be appreciated. PAL
>>>>
>>>>-- Rawat
>>>>
>>
>>--
>>Rawat
>>


--
Rawat
Anonymous
March 6, 2005 7:19:02 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Results of my attempts:
----------
V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
Finding your C: win98 version:
maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of 98 (say SE)
and in the folder
or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.

One try:
remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
There should be something mentioned there like
System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
.....
BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B

------------
V S - now shutdown.
insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
once you reach commandprompt, give
ver (and press enter)
something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
.......
BAP - It boots up to A:
from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
--------
V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in normal setup
F is your CD
ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
press F10 to save, Y, exit.
it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable win98.
it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
What is written on it.
.........
BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up, but it came
up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID’s -Just a normal Start.
I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
----------
V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk win98 and
your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three does not match,
that is the culprit of
some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you have already
mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
shutdown. remove cd. restart
Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed A to F
change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be able to do it
by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box where "F" is
appearing. then select D.
press F10 to save, Y, exit.
it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First edition
once you reach desktop, give goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
There should be something mentioned there like
System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111 (my guess)
What is written on it?
........
BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination was not
available.
It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System showed
[Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
----------
V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did not work
out, so you
reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first
edition
from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere some version
clash has taken place.
Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D, which you
need to change
back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it back from D to
A.
save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
It should boot from c
All the best.
One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
onwards you can do most of things with your CD.

BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be bootable. As
mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the Primary Slave HD
and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
------------------------------------------------------------

"V S Rawat" wrote:

> On 3/5/05 6:21 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your patience, V S!
> > Just some observations, answers to you questions, etc.
> > ..........
> > V S - Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to floppy copy.
> > You put first floppy, give the command copy A: B:, and it will keep on asking
> > to you to put first/second
> > floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
> >
> > BAP - Got It!
> > ................
> >
> > BAP
> >
> >>The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
> >>and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
> >>shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
> >>shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
> >>that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
> >>for the Secondary Master or Slave.
> >
> >
> > V S - The above is shown if you have selected the first option in the bios
> > setup window that opens up after pressing del. If you select the second
> > option in that screen, that will show at least three booting devices. I was
> > asking about that sequence. Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere
> > you are sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is written
> > in front of that.
> >
> > BAP - Not too sure if I understand your instructions, as I fail to see the
> > method of exploring the option you describe.
>
> You have reached there.
>
> > I did see a boot sequence that
> > shows A, C, SCSI. Is this what you are referring to?
>
> Now that is very peculiar.
>
> A is correct, as you are able to boot with your bootdisk in A.
>
> But I am not able to understand why it is going to D
> (skipping C) in floppy booting. I don't know why C is
> disappeaing.
>
> > Few entries below that sequence, I notice an entry that says, HDD
> > S.M.A.R.T. Disabled.
> > Is this significant? Sorry for failing you.
>
> You did not fail.
>
> SMART is some capability of HDisks. I think your 10GB might
> not is having it (maybe it has). I think your 30 GB might be
> having it (maybe it doesn't). but that does not affect the
> booting sequence. Once this problem is solved, you might
> start another thread for smart capability.
>
> > ..........
> > V S - typo.
> > You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
> >
> > BAP - Correct! Sorry!
> > ...........
> > BAP
> >
> >>I notice that if the CD is accessed when I try to create the bootDisk. The light does not change to green
> >
> >
> > V S - That mean system is not recognising your CD drive. I am assuming that
> > you are trying to create a bootdisk in normal startup (without bootdisk)
> >
> > BAP - Yes! Normal Startup.
> > -----------
> > BAP:
> > The Dialog section, I presume by default, whenever I try to create the
> > BootDisk and the System cannot find the Files in the CD, insists on showing
> > C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS as the location where to copy the Files from, but
> > still can’t find them and reverts to asking for the CD. Since the System
> > ignores the latter, I copied the necessary Files from C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD
> > to the C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS Folder and tried again. Still NO GO and the
> > OS still prompts me to
> > insert the W98SE CD. Does this mean that the OS is not looking into this
> > Folder, either?
>
> One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
>
> Finding your C: win98 version:
>
> maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version
> of 98 (say SE) and in the folder or in CD it is finding
> files of different version of 98.
>
> One try:
>
> remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
>
> goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
>
> There should be something mentioned there like
>
> System:
> Microsoft Windows 98
> Second Edition
> 4.10.2222 A
>
> Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> ------------
>
> now shutdown.
>
> insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
>
> once you reach commandprompt, give
>
> ver (and press enter)
>
> something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
>
> Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> ----
>
> Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
>
> Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
>
> go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
> mentioned above (A, C, SCSI)
>
> change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in
> normal setup F is your CD ROM). You would be able to do it
> by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that
> box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
>
> Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
>
> press F10 to save, Y, exit.
>
> it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable
> win98.
>
> it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
>
> once you reach commandprompt, give
>
> ver (and press enter)
>
> something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
>
> What is written on it.
> ----------
> If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk
> win98 and your cdrom win98 are the same version.
>
> If any of these three does not match, that is the culprit of
> some other version. get that of same version as rest.
>
> And you have already mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
>
> shutdown. remove cd. restart
>
> Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
>
> go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
> mentioned above (A, C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI
> because you had just changed A to F
>
> change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be
> able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
> enter in that box where "F" is appearing. then select D.
>
> press F10 to save, Y, exit.
>
> it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First
> edition
>
> once you reach desktop, give
>
> goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
>
> There should be something mentioned there like
>
> System:
> Microsoft Windows 98
> First Edition (my guess)
> 4.10.1111 (my guess)
>
> What is written on it?
> -------
>
> We shall see further after you give this info. It is looking
> long but it is repetitive steps.
>
> You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did
> not work out, so you reverted to First edition.
>
> Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first edition
> from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE.
>
> maybe somewhere some version clash has taken place.
> -------
> Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set
> to D, which you need to change back to C.
>
> shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
>
> the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change
> it back from D to A.
>
> save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
>
> It should boot from c
>
> All the best.
>
> One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
>
> > PAL
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > "V S Rawat" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On 3/4/05 7:19 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sorry, V S, I’m getting somewhat confused about it all.
> >>>This is what I’ve come up to this point. When booted
> >>>normally, My Computer shows: A: Drive as the Floppy, no
> >>>B: is shown,
> >>
> >>Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to
> >>floppy copy. You put first floppy, give the command copy A:
> >>B:, and it will keep on asking to you to put first/second
> >>floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
> >>
> >>
> >>>C: is the Primary Master of 30GB size, D: is the Slave HD
> >>>with 10GB, E: is the ZIP Drive and F: is the CD_ROM
> >>>Drive. When pressing Del key while booting with the
> >>>Floppy BootDisk:
> >>
> >>just a remark: Del key pressing does not alter how
> >>you are booting. Del key is accepted before any botting is
> >>done through any drive, so it will always take you to bios
> >>setup. thought you might like to know about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
> >>>and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
> >>>shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
> >>>shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
> >>>that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
> >>>for the Secondary Master or Slave.
> >>
> >>The above is shown if you have selected the first option in
> >>the bios setup window that opens up after pressing del.
> >>
> >>If you select the second option in that screen, that will
> >>show at least three booting devices. I was asking about that
> >>sequence.
> >>
> >>Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere you are
> >>sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is
> >>written in front of that.
> >>
> >>
> >>>If I allow booting with CD-ROM support, the remaining
> >>>message on the screen, before the A: Prompt, is
> >>>Diagnostic Tools were successfully loaded to drive D
> >>>MSCDEX Version 2.25 Copyright (C) Microsoft Cor.
> >>>1986-1995 All rights reserved Drive E: = Driver MSCD001
> >>>Unit 0. The Command Dir in A: shows the Floppy’s contents
> >>>- in B: (Surprising - never tried it earlier) shows the
> >>>ZIP Drive contents -
> >>
> >>wow. that is a new information for me.
> >>
> >>Could anyone pleae please describe how can zip drive gets
> >>shown in B: which is reserved for floppy drives?
> >>
> >>
> >>>in C: shows the Slave HD contents - in D: shows the
> >>>Diagnostic Tool Files - in E: shows the CD-ROM CD’s
> >>>contents. F: is invalid.
> >>
> >>I get the picture.
> >>
> >>I am bowled. It should not happen. your 30 GB should appear
> >>as C:, your 10 GB should appear as D:, diagnostics in E:,
> >>CDROM in F:, invalid G:
> >>
> >>I wonder why it is not happening, unless there is something
> >>in booting sequence.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Booting without CD-ROM support, all is the same except
> >>>that both E: and F: are invalid Drives.
> >>>
> >>>The OS in the Slave CD is W98.
> >>
> >>that is what I had guessed that you D is also having w98
> >>bootup, otherwise there is no way it can appear as C.
> >>
> >>Don't know why it is bypassing C and is booting from D.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I might have tried to upgrade it to W98SE, but I reverted
> >>>to W98 because of some forgotten problem. That HD
> >>>developed some bad tracks and I decided to replace it
> >>>with a new and larger capacity Maxtor HD. Its OS and
> >>>Files were transferred to the new HD via Maxtor’s
> >>>software. The new HD became the Primary Master. I kept
> >>>the old CD as the Slave.
> >>
> >>typo.
> >>
> >>You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
> >>
> >>
> >>>A few months back I upgraded the Master to W98SE. I can’t
> >>>recall, but the CD must have prompted me to create a
> >>>BootDisk and I accepted. That had to be source of the
> >>>BootDisk that I am using. As I’ve stated, I cannot create
> >>> another startup floppy with the current OS.
> >>>
> >>>Sorry, V S! Still confused about this: You had mentioned
> >>>that system asks for a CD. I was asking about that window
> >>> as alert window. Does system check for CD DRIVE before
> >>>that alert and after you press some key to proceed in
> >>>that alert window? I now see that you might be asking if
> >>>I notice if the CD is accessed when I try to create the
> >>>bootDisk. The light does not change to green and a new
> >>>window pops up and in the Dialog section shows
> >>>C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS. When I change it to
> >>>F:\WIN98\Base5.Cab and Press OK, the light still won’t
> >>>change. It I type C:\Windows\Command\EBD (that is where
> >>>the files that the system is looking for)
> >>
> >>That mean system is not recognising your CD drive.
> >>
> >>I am assuming that you are trying to create a bootdisk in
> >>normal startup (without bootdisk)
> >>
> >>
> >>>the OS still will not do anything. Sorry to be such a
> >>>'pest'!
> >>
> >>Oh. It is OK to ask questions. We are all here to get our
> >>queries clarifies, and problems cleared.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thank you!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"V S Rawat" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron! ....... Ron: - You can
> >>>>>make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file
> >>>>>located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
> >>>>>not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
> >>>>>what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be
> >>>>>the type that creates a ram drive and throws the
> >>>>>drive lettering sequence off by one letter. .......
> >>>>>BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy
> >>>>>BootDisk has 25 files. The ones dealing with ram are
> >>>>>Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These,
> >>>>>incidentally, are in my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd
> >>>>>folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
> >>>>>....... Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98
> >>>>>on it. If both drives have W98 installed, C: drive
> >>>>>will be the drive marked as Active. You can check
> >>>>>the partitions by using fdisk. ........ BAP:- Both
> >>>>>HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the
> >>>>>active C: drive is the Primary Slave when I boot with
> >>>>>the Boot Disk. ------------------------------ To V S
> >>>>>Rawat: Thanks, V S! ...... BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday
> >>>>>morning I posted the following message that, if I
> >>>>>recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I
> >>>>>looked for replies just a while ago and can't even
> >>>>>see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday,
> >>>>>I checked its status and it was there. What gives?
> >>>>>....... V S:- ?Don't you think you should have
> >>>>>specified which mail/newsreader are you using? check
> >>>>>the settings in that. ..... BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0
> >>>>>Security Version. With it I upgraded the original AOL
> >>>>>9.0 the same day, I believe. Could that be the
> >>>>>problem?
> >>>>
> >>>>Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used
> >>>>Netscape and now use Thunderbird.
> >>>>
> >>>>A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing
> >>>>can only be explained by some filters or thread
> >>>>collapse/expand in your newsreader. Hope some AOL
> >>>>expert could provide some clue.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>.............. V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk
> >>>>>or a CD? If it is a floppy, there should not be any
> >>>>>change at all in the sequence of drives. If it is CD
> >>>>>and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
> >>>>>change. Please provide relevant details. .......
> >>>>>BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot
> >>>>>time, I chose to have CD-Rom support.
> >>>>
> >>>>Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already
> >>>>there.
> >>>>
> >>>>As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have
> >>>>single partition, that will become C and D.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or
> >>>>after zipdrive. anyone.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
> >>>> booted from bootdisk
> >>>>
> >>>>Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
> >>>> drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>......... V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and
> >>>>>boot, do your all drives appear, and do they appear
> >>>>>in the right sequence? ......... BAP:- All are in the
> >>>>>proper order with a normal boot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is
> >>>>becoming tedious questioning. I am just trying to
> >>>>understand it.
> >>>>
> >>>>Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.
> >>>>
> >>>>What drives do you see?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>........ V S:- ?What is the booting order in your
> >>>>>system setup (press del key when system is booting),
> >>>>>go to second option. It is mentioned there. .....
> >>>>>BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to
> >>>>>you, if I can make some sense of what I see. But,
> >>>>>would it show the normal setup that leads to a normal
> >>>>>boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes
> >>>>>alive after all that initial stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>>No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No
> >>>>floppy will be accessed by that time.
> >>>>
> >>>>When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a
> >>>>few times.
> >>>>
> >>>>A window will open having startup setup options.
> >>>>
> >>>>Select the second option (I don't recall the name.
> >>>>someone please?). In this the sequence of first two or
> >>>>three boot devices will be listed. Could you please
> >>>>post them.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>....... V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from
> >>>>>wind98se os? Is it through
> >>>>>Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
> >>>>>That creates a floppy disk. ......... BAP:- That is
> >>>>>what I try to do, but still cannot create the
> >>>>>bootdisk, as explained in my post. ........ V S:- ?Is
> >>>>>it able to access the CD? Is the CD drive diode
> >>>>>turning on and off after you have inserted the CD,
> >>>>>and give OK in the alert window. ........ BAP:- Yes!
> >>>>>I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not
> >>>>>sure what the ‘alert window’ is.
> >>>>
> >>>>You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was
> >>>>asking about that window as alert window. Does system
> >>>>check for CD DRIVE before that alert and after you
> >>>>press some key to proceed in that alert window?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>........... V S:- I don't think that the system needs
> >>>>>to access CD or win98 setup files for creating a
> >>>>>startup disk. ...... BAP:- I did not think so,
> >>>>>myself.
> >>>>>------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs. I do
> >>>>>hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on
> >>>>>this matters. I also hope that I’ve given sufficient
> >>>>>details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my
> >>>>>original post, the Computer is working relatively
> >>>>>well and I should not be so concerned. If I should
> >>>>>need to use the BootDisk, I won’t mind to disable the
> >>>>>Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see
> >>>>>the Primary Master as the active Drive.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence
> >>>>asking some questions which might have been mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>>Do both your C and D disks are having w98
> >>>>installations?
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D
> >>>>as slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk
> >>>>boot? Are you checking the list it is showing at the
> >>>>time of booting, just after memory test?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> "BAP" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Just yesterday morning I posted the following
> >>>>>>message that, if I recall correctly, had
> >>>>>>RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a
> >>>>>>while ago and can't even see the initial post.
> >>>>>>Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status
> >>>>>>and it was there. What gives?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>This was my original problem:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
> >>>>>>Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
> >>>>>>Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
> >>>>>>Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
> >>>>>>currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
> >>>>>>testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
> >>>>>>upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
> >>>>>>of how the BootDisk was created) I was surprised to
> >>>>>>find out that the directory of C: is actually the
> >>>>>>one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows
> >>>>>>15 files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
> >>>>>>BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
> >>>>>>Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not
> >>>>>>accessible. Is this a common occurrence? Would I
> >>>>>>have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I
> >>>>>>should have problems and need to use a BootDisk to
> >>>>>>get going? I never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the
> >>>>>>Primary Slave. Similar results occur when using a
> >>>>>>BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
> >>>>>>unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
> >>>>>>The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
> >>>>>>System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it
> >>>>>>cannot find the files needed. By choosing ‘skip
> >>>>>>file’, I can see all the files that the System is
> >>>>>>looking for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of
> >>>>>>the CD in Base4.cab and Base5.cab. Those files are
> >>>>>>also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type
> >>>>>>the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog
> >>>>>>Box, the System ignores all and insists that they
> >>>>>>cannot be found and keeps on prompting me to insert
> >>>>>>the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help
> >>>>>>will be appreciated. PAL
> >>>>
> >>>>-- Rawat
> >>>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Rawat
> >>
>
>
> --
> Rawat
>
>
Anonymous
March 6, 2005 6:09:33 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Did you ever do the FDISK Badour suggested?

(1) "START, Run, MSInfo32". Use the mouse to highlight relevant info &
the Edit menu to Copy it...

Windows-managed swap file on drive C (6458MB free)
Available space on drive C: 6458MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 6232MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive E: 773MB of 2792MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive F: 7979MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive G: 7786MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive H: 7620MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive I: 6174MB of 6174MB (FAT32)

(2)
(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK", outline text with mouse, "COPY" button to post the
results.

C:\>FDISK /Status
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 19092 8298 57%
C: 7996
E: 2798
2 38169 100% << Full drive
D: 7996 << One partition
F: 7996
G: 7996
H: 7996
I: 6187

(3) From a floppy boot, try...
FDISK /Status > C:\Windows\Temp\FStat.txt
...Then, post FStat.txt.

(4) Well, BE CAREFUL, but, either at the floppy boot or back in Windows.
Well, perhaps EVEN do both...

It appears one may actually run FDISK at a Windows DOS (in a box)
Prompt. I wouldn't suggest doing so to anyone with shaky fingers,
though. DON'T wipe your drive(s)!

(a) START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt
(b) FDISK
(c) Press ENTER to accept Large Disk Support.
(d) Select option 4 (Display Partition Information), & hit ENTER.
(e) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse, "COPY" button to
post what you see to us.
(f) ESC your way OUT. DON'T try to do any partitioning! I'm not even
sure I would alter the Active setting here. BETTER just post what you
see!

Here is what mine showed.
NOTES: "PRI" is Primary, "EXT" is Extended...
"A" under "Status" means "Active".

Display Partition Information
Current fixed disk drive: 1

Partition Status Type Volume Label Mbytes System Usage
C: 1 A PRI DOS P C R HARD 7996 FAT32 42%
2 EXT DOS 11096
58%

Total disk space is 19092 Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576 bytes)

The Extended DOS Partition contains Logical DOS Drives.
Do you want to display the logical drive information (Y/N)......?[Y]

Press Esc to return to FDISK Options


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"V S Rawat" <VSRawat@HCLInfinet.com> wrote in message
news:utVjtq1HFHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| On 3/2/05 8:43 PM India Time, _Ron Badour_ wrote:
|
| > You can make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe
| > file located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
| > not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
| > what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be the
| > type that creates a ram drive and throws the drive
| > lettering sequence off by one letter.
|
| I think RAMDRIVE is created AFTER the hardisk partition drives.
|
| Could someone please clarify.
|
| >
| > C: drive will be the one that has W98 on it. If both
| > drives have W98 installed, C: drive will be the drive
| > marked as Active. You can check the partitions by using
| > fdisk.
| >
|
| > -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98 Tips:
| > http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info:
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "BAP"
| > <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:B698FCA3-87CC-4F72-9FC1-D88A7F9FF5EC@microsoft.com...
| >
| >
| >>> Just yesterday morning I posted the following message
| >>> that, if I recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a
| >>> title. I looked for replies just a while ago and
| >>> can't even see the initial post. Before logging out,
| >>> yesterday, I checked its status and it was there.
| >>> What gives?
|
| Don't you think you should have specified which
| mail/newsreader are you using?
|
| check the settings in that.
|
| >>>
| >>> This was my original problem:
| >>>
| >>> ?My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
| >>> Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
| >>> Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
| >>> Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
| >>> currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
| >>> testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
| >>> upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
| >>> of how the BootDisk was created)
|
| Is this bootdisk a floppy disk or a CD?
|
| If it is a floppy, there should not be any change at all in
| the sequence of drives.
|
| If it is CD and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
| change.
|
| Please provide relevant details.
|
| > I was surprised to
| >>> find out that the directory of C: is actually the one
| >>> from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows 15
| >>> files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
| >>> BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
| >>> Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not accessible.
| >>> Is this a common occurrence?
|
| I have never heard of nor faced the above ever.
|
| > Would I have to
| >>> disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I should have
| >>> problems and need to use a BootDisk to get going?
|
| That is too drastic.
|
| First, think of primary steps.
|
| If you remove your bootdisk, and boot, do your all drives
| appear, and do they appear in the right sequence?
|
| > I
| >>> never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the Primary Slave.
| >>> Similar results occur when using a BootDisk
| >>> downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
|
| What is the booting order in your system setup (press del
| key when system is booting),
| go to second option
|
| It is mentioned there.
|
| >>>
| >>> Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
| >>> unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
|
| How are you creating a bootdisk from wind98se os?
|
| Is it through
| Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
|
| That creates a floppy disk.
|
| >>> The problem is that, when I try to do so, the System
| >>> asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it cannot find
| >>> the files needed.
|
| Is it able to access the CD?
| Is the CD drive diode turning on and off after you have
| inserted the CD, and give OK in the alert window.
|
| >>> By choosing 'skip file', I can see
| >>> all the files that the System is looking for. Those
| >>> files are in the WIN98 Folder of the CD in Base4.cab
| >>> and Base5.cab. Those files are also in
| >>> C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type the
| >>> locations of any of those folders in the Dialog Box,
| >>> the System ignores all and insists that they cannot
| >>> be found and keeps on prompting me to insert the
| >>> WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help will be
| >>> appreciated. PAL
|
| I don't think that the system needs to access CD or win98
| setup files for creating a startup disk.
|
| Pl provide more details as asked.
|
| --
| Rawat
Anonymous
March 7, 2005 4:18:40 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:

> Results of my attempts:
> ----------
> V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> Finding your C: win98 version:
> maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of 98 (say SE)
> and in the folder
> or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
>
> One try:
> remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> There should be something mentioned there like
> System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> .....
> BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B

Good enough.

>
> ------------
> V S - now shutdown.
> insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> once you reach commandprompt, give
> ver (and press enter)
> something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> .......
> BAP - It boots up to A:
> from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]

Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
not match.

> --------
> V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in normal setup
> F is your CD
> ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
> enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable win98.
> it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> What is written on it.
> .........
> BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up, but it came
> up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID's -Just a normal Start.
> I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]

But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.

In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
something different.

When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
(did the diode on cd drive blink?)

Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.

Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
below that F, C, SCSI was not available.

But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.

So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?

> ----------
> V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk win98 and
> your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three does not match,
> that is the culprit of
> some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you have already
> mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
> shutdown. remove cd. restart
> Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed A to F
> change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be able to do it
> by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box where "F" is
> appearing. then select D.
> press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First edition
> once you reach desktop, give goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> There should be something mentioned there like
> System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111 (my guess)
> What is written on it?
> ........
> BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination was not
> available.

OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.

> It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System showed
> [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]

Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.

> ----------
> V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did not work
> out, so you
> reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first
> edition
> from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere some version
> clash has taken place.
> Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D, which you
> need to change
> back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
> the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it back from D to
> A.
> save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> It should boot from c
> All the best.
> One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
>
> BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be bootable. As
> mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the Primary Slave HD
> and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!

So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
primary drive, which win version does it show?


> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "V S Rawat" wrote:
>
>
>>On 3/5/05 6:21 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thank you for your patience, V S!
>>>Just some observations, answers to you questions, etc.
>>>..........
>>>V S - Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to floppy copy.
>>>You put first floppy, give the command copy A: B:, and it will keep on asking
>>>to you to put first/second
>>>floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
>>>
>>>BAP - Got It!
>>>................
>>>
>>>BAP
>>>
>>>
>>>>The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
>>>>and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
>>>>shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
>>>>shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
>>>>that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
>>>>for the Secondary Master or Slave.
>>>
>>>
>>>V S - The above is shown if you have selected the first option in the bios
>>>setup window that opens up after pressing del. If you select the second
>>>option in that screen, that will show at least three booting devices. I was
>>>asking about that sequence. Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere
>>>you are sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is written
>>>in front of that.
>>>
>>>BAP - Not too sure if I understand your instructions, as I fail to see the
>>>method of exploring the option you describe.
>>
>>You have reached there.
>>
>>
>>>I did see a boot sequence that
>>>shows A, C, SCSI. Is this what you are referring to?
>>
>>Now that is very peculiar.
>>
>>A is correct, as you are able to boot with your bootdisk in A.
>>
>>But I am not able to understand why it is going to D
>>(skipping C) in floppy booting. I don't know why C is
>>disappeaing.
>>
>>
>>>Few entries below that sequence, I notice an entry that says, HDD
>>>S.M.A.R.T. Disabled.
>>>Is this significant? Sorry for failing you.
>>
>>You did not fail.
>>
>>SMART is some capability of HDisks. I think your 10GB might
>>not is having it (maybe it has). I think your 30 GB might be
>>having it (maybe it doesn't). but that does not affect the
>>booting sequence. Once this problem is solved, you might
>>start another thread for smart capability.
>>
>>
>>>..........
>>>V S - typo.
>>>You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
>>>
>>>BAP - Correct! Sorry!
>>>...........
>>>BAP
>>>
>>>
>>>>I notice that if the CD is accessed when I try to create the bootDisk. The light does not change to green
>>>
>>>
>>>V S - That mean system is not recognising your CD drive. I am assuming that
>>>you are trying to create a bootdisk in normal startup (without bootdisk)
>>>
>>>BAP - Yes! Normal Startup.
>>>-----------
>>>BAP:
>>>The Dialog section, I presume by default, whenever I try to create the
>>>BootDisk and the System cannot find the Files in the CD, insists on showing
>>>C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS as the location where to copy the Files from, but
>>>still can't find them and reverts to asking for the CD. Since the System
>>>ignores the latter, I copied the necessary Files from C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD
>>>to the C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS Folder and tried again. Still NO GO and the
>>>OS still prompts me to
>>>insert the W98SE CD. Does this mean that the OS is not looking into this
>>>Folder, either?
>>
>>One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
>>
>>Finding your C: win98 version:
>>
>>maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version
>>of 98 (say SE) and in the folder or in CD it is finding
>>files of different version of 98.
>>
>>One try:
>>
>>remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
>>
>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
>>
>>There should be something mentioned there like
>>
>>System:
>>Microsoft Windows 98
>>Second Edition
>>4.10.2222 A
>>
>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
>>------------
>>
>>now shutdown.
>>
>>insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
>>
>>once you reach commandprompt, give
>>
>>ver (and press enter)
>>
>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
>>
>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
>>----
>>
>>Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
>>
>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
>>
>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
>>mentioned above (A, C, SCSI)
>>
>>change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in
>>normal setup F is your CD ROM). You would be able to do it
>>by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that
>>box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
>>
>>Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
>>
>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
>>
>>it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable
>>win98.
>>
>>it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
>>
>>once you reach commandprompt, give
>>
>>ver (and press enter)
>>
>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
>>
>>What is written on it.
>>----------
>>If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk
>>win98 and your cdrom win98 are the same version.
>>
>>If any of these three does not match, that is the culprit of
>>some other version. get that of same version as rest.
>>
>>And you have already mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
>>First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
>>
>>shutdown. remove cd. restart
>>
>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
>>
>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
>>mentioned above (A, C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI
>>because you had just changed A to F
>>
>>change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be
>>able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
>>enter in that box where "F" is appearing. then select D.
>>
>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
>>
>>it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First
>>edition
>>
>>once you reach desktop, give
>>
>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
>>
>>There should be something mentioned there like
>>
>>System:
>>Microsoft Windows 98
>>First Edition (my guess)
>>4.10.1111 (my guess)
>>
>>What is written on it?
>>-------
>>
>>We shall see further after you give this info. It is looking
>>long but it is repetitive steps.
>>
>>You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did
>>not work out, so you reverted to First edition.
>>
>>Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first edition
>>from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE.
>>
>>maybe somewhere some version clash has taken place.
>>-------
>>Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set
>>to D, which you need to change back to C.
>>
>>shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
>>
>>the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change
>>it back from D to A.
>>
>>save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
>>
>>It should boot from c
>>
>>All the best.
>>
>>One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
>>win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
>>onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
>>
>>
>>>PAL
>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>"V S Rawat" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 3/4/05 7:19 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, V S, I'm getting somewhat confused about it all.
>>>>>This is what I've come up to this point. When booted
>>>>>normally, My Computer shows: A: Drive as the Floppy, no
>>>>>B: is shown,
>>>>
>>>>Just a remark: B is same as A. It is used for floppy to
>>>>floppy copy. You put first floppy, give the command copy A:
>>>>B:, and it will keep on asking to you to put first/second
>>>>floppy in the same floppy drive so that it copies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>C: is the Primary Master of 30GB size, D: is the Slave HD
>>>>>with 10GB, E: is the ZIP Drive and F: is the CD_ROM
>>>>>Drive. When pressing Del key while booting with the
>>>>>Floppy BootDisk:
>>>>
>>>>just a remark: Del key pressing does not alter how
>>>>you are booting. Del key is accepted before any botting is
>>>>done through any drive, so it will always take you to bios
>>>>setup. thought you might like to know about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The CMOS window shows all Drives (Primary Master & Slave
>>>>>and Secondary Master & Slave) to be on Auto. A:D rive is
>>>>>shown as 3.5 Mb Diskette and B: as none. The IDE window
>>>>>shows the size of the Primary Master is about 30GB and
>>>>>that of the Primary Slave is about 10GB. No size is shown
>>>>>for the Secondary Master or Slave.
>>>>
>>>>The above is shown if you have selected the first option in
>>>>the bios setup window that opens up after pressing del.
>>>>
>>>>If you select the second option in that screen, that will
>>>>show at least three booting devices. I was asking about that
>>>>sequence.
>>>>
>>>>Explore other option in that menu, and somewhere you are
>>>>sure to see "first boot device/ second boot device". What is
>>>>written in front of that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If I allow booting with CD-ROM support, the remaining
>>>>>message on the screen, before the A: Prompt, is
>>>>>Diagnostic Tools were successfully loaded to drive D
>>>>>MSCDEX Version 2.25 Copyright (C) Microsoft Cor.
>>>>>1986-1995 All rights reserved Drive E: = Driver MSCD001
>>>>>Unit 0. The Command Dir in A: shows the Floppy's contents
>>>>>- in B: (Surprising - never tried it earlier) shows the
>>>>>ZIP Drive contents -
>>>>
>>>>wow. that is a new information for me.
>>>>
>>>>Could anyone pleae please describe how can zip drive gets
>>>>shown in B: which is reserved for floppy drives?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in C: shows the Slave HD contents - in D: shows the
>>>>>Diagnostic Tool Files - in E: shows the CD-ROM CD's
>>>>>contents. F: is invalid.
>>>>
>>>>I get the picture.
>>>>
>>>>I am bowled. It should not happen. your 30 GB should appear
>>>>as C:, your 10 GB should appear as D:, diagnostics in E:,
>>>>CDROM in F:, invalid G:
>>>>
>>>>I wonder why it is not happening, unless there is something
>>>>in booting sequence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Booting without CD-ROM support, all is the same except
>>>>>that both E: and F: are invalid Drives.
>>>>>
>>>>>The OS in the Slave CD is W98.
>>>>
>>>>that is what I had guessed that you D is also having w98
>>>>bootup, otherwise there is no way it can appear as C.
>>>>
>>>>Don't know why it is bypassing C and is booting from D.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I might have tried to upgrade it to W98SE, but I reverted
>>>>>to W98 because of some forgotten problem. That HD
>>>>>developed some bad tracks and I decided to replace it
>>>>>with a new and larger capacity Maxtor HD. Its OS and
>>>>>Files were transferred to the new HD via Maxtor's
>>>>>software. The new HD became the Primary Master. I kept
>>>>>the old CD as the Slave.
>>>>
>>>>typo.
>>>>
>>>>You kept the only HD (not CD) as slave.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A few months back I upgraded the Master to W98SE. I can't
>>>>>recall, but the CD must have prompted me to create a
>>>>>BootDisk and I accepted. That had to be source of the
>>>>>BootDisk that I am using. As I've stated, I cannot create
>>>>>another startup floppy with the current OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, V S! Still confused about this: You had mentioned
>>>>>that system asks for a CD. I was asking about that window
>>>>>as alert window. Does system check for CD DRIVE before
>>>>>that alert and after you press some key to proceed in
>>>>>that alert window? I now see that you might be asking if
>>>>>I notice if the CD is accessed when I try to create the
>>>>>bootDisk. The light does not change to green and a new
>>>>>window pops up and in the Dialog section shows
>>>>>C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS. When I change it to
>>>>>F:\WIN98\Base5.Cab and Press OK, the light still won't
>>>>>change. It I type C:\Windows\Command\EBD (that is where
>>>>>the files that the system is looking for)
>>>>
>>>>That mean system is not recognising your CD drive.
>>>>
>>>>I am assuming that you are trying to create a bootdisk in
>>>>normal startup (without bootdisk)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the OS still will not do anything. Sorry to be such a
>>>>>'pest'!
>>>>
>>>>Oh. It is OK to ask questions. We are all here to get our
>>>>queries clarifies, and problems cleared.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"V S Rawat" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/3/05 4:55 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To Ron Badour: Thanks, Ron! ....... Ron: - You can
>>>>>>>make a floppy boot disk with the Fat32ebd.exe file
>>>>>>>located on the W98 CD: tools/mtsutil/fat32ebd (will
>>>>>>>not create a ram drive when used). I am not clear on
>>>>>>>what you are seeing with your boot disk but it may be
>>>>>>>the type that creates a ram drive and throws the
>>>>>>>drive lettering sequence off by one letter. .......
>>>>>>>BAP:- Not quite sure about what you mean. My Floppy
>>>>>>>BootDisk has 25 files. The ones dealing with ram are
>>>>>>>Setramd.bat, Ramdrive.sys and Findramd.exe. These,
>>>>>>>incidentally, are in my C:\Windows\Command\Ebd
>>>>>>>folder, as well as in the CD's Base5.cab folder.
>>>>>>>....... Ron:- C: drive will be the one that has W98
>>>>>>>on it. If both drives have W98 installed, C: drive
>>>>>>>will be the drive marked as Active. You can check
>>>>>>>the partitions by using fdisk. ........ BAP:- Both
>>>>>>>HD's have a single partition. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>active C: drive is the Primary Slave when I boot with
>>>>>>>the Boot Disk. ------------------------------ To V S
>>>>>>>Rawat: Thanks, V S! ...... BAP:- ?>>> Just yesterday
>>>>>>>morning I posted the following message that, if I
>>>>>>>recall correctly, had RE:BootSisk as a title. I
>>>>>>>looked for replies just a while ago and can't even
>>>>>>>see the initial post. Before logging out, yesterday,
>>>>>>>I checked its status and it was there. What gives?
>>>>>>>....... V S:- ?Don't you think you should have
>>>>>>>specified which mail/newsreader are you using? check
>>>>>>>the settings in that. ..... BAP:- My ISP is AOL 9.0
>>>>>>>Security Version. With it I upgraded the original AOL
>>>>>>>9.0 the same day, I believe. Could that be the
>>>>>>>problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry BAP. I have no experience with AOL. I used
>>>>>>Netscape and now use Thunderbird.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A message getting displayed, disappearing, appearing
>>>>>>can only be explained by some filters or thread
>>>>>>collapse/expand in your newsreader. Hope some AOL
>>>>>>expert could provide some clue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>.............. V S:- ? Is this bootdisk a floppy disk
>>>>>>>or a CD? If it is a floppy, there should not be any
>>>>>>>change at all in the sequence of drives. If it is CD
>>>>>>>and you have booted from CD, the sequence might
>>>>>>>change. Please provide relevant details. .......
>>>>>>>BAP:- It is a Floppy Disk and, when asked during boot
>>>>>>>time, I chose to have CD-Rom support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Floppy disk will occupy A (and B) which are already
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As you mentioned later below, that your both HDD have
>>>>>>single partition, that will become C and D.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not sure whether RAMDRIVE is assigned before or
>>>>>>after zipdrive. anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am also not sure whether zipdrive is recognized when
>>>>>>booted from bootdisk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Could someone please provide the expected sequencing of
>>>>>>drives for BAP's box in case of booting from bootdisk?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>......... V S:- ?If you remove your bootdisk, and
>>>>>>>boot, do your all drives appear, and do they appear
>>>>>>>in the right sequence? ......... BAP:- All are in the
>>>>>>>proper order with a normal boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just one more exercise for you. I agree that it is
>>>>>>becoming tedious questioning. I am just trying to
>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, try with bootdisk WITHOUT CD ROM SUPPORT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What drives do you see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>........ V S:- ?What is the booting order in your
>>>>>>>system setup (press del key when system is booting),
>>>>>>>go to second option. It is mentioned there. .....
>>>>>>>BAP:- Can't do that right now. I will get back to
>>>>>>>you, if I can make some sense of what I see. But,
>>>>>>>would it show the normal setup that leads to a normal
>>>>>>>boot? I got the impression that the Floppy disk comes
>>>>>>>alive after all that initial stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No. It is much earlier any botting takes place. No
>>>>>>floppy will be accessed by that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When you start/ restart your box, press DELETE key a
>>>>>>few times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A window will open having startup setup options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Select the second option (I don't recall the name.
>>>>>>someone please?). In this the sequence of first two or
>>>>>>three boot devices will be listed. Could you please
>>>>>>post them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>....... V S:- ?How are you creating a bootdisk from
>>>>>>>wind98se os? Is it through
>>>>>>>Start-Settings-ControlPanel-AddRemoveProgram-StartupDisk-CreateDisk?
>>>>>>>That creates a floppy disk. ......... BAP:- That is
>>>>>>>what I try to do, but still cannot create the
>>>>>>>bootdisk, as explained in my post. ........ V S:- ?Is
>>>>>>>it able to access the CD? Is the CD drive diode
>>>>>>>turning on and off after you have inserted the CD,
>>>>>>>and give OK in the alert window. ........ BAP:- Yes!
>>>>>>>I can go to it and see its directory and all. Not
>>>>>>>sure what the 'alert window' is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You had mentioned that system asks for a CD. I was
>>>>>>asking about that window as alert window. Does system
>>>>>>check for CD DRIVE before that alert and after you
>>>>>>press some key to proceed in that alert window?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>........... V S:- I don't think that the system needs
>>>>>>>to access CD or win98 setup files for creating a
>>>>>>>startup disk. ...... BAP:- I did not think so,
>>>>>>>myself.
>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>Thank you, Ron, V S and Gary for your inputs. I do
>>>>>>>hope you fellows overlook my inadequate expertise on
>>>>>>>this matters. I also hope that I've given sufficient
>>>>>>>details to resolve this problem. As mentioned in my
>>>>>>>original post, the Computer is working relatively
>>>>>>>well and I should not be so concerned. If I should
>>>>>>>need to use the BootDisk, I won't mind to disable the
>>>>>>>Primary Slave HD. That should force the system to see
>>>>>>>the Primary Master as the active Drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not having previous posts in this thread, hence
>>>>>>asking some questions which might have been mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do both your C and D disks are having w98
>>>>>>installations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, how are you concluding about C as primary and D
>>>>>>as slave in normal boot, and D as slave in bootdisk
>>>>>>boot? Are you checking the list it is showing at the
>>>>>>time of booting, just after memory test?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>"BAP" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just yesterday morning I posted the following
>>>>>>>>message that, if I recall correctly, had
>>>>>>>>RE:BootSisk as a title. I looked for replies just a
>>>>>>>>while ago and can't even see the initial post.
>>>>>>>>Before logging out, yesterday, I checked its status
>>>>>>>>and it was there. What gives?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This was my original problem:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My Computer has a 30GB MAXTOR 6E030L0 HD as Primary
>>>>>>>>Master (C:) , a 10GB IBM-DTTA 351010 HD as Primary
>>>>>>>>Slave (D:) , a writeable CD-ROM (F:)  and a 250MB Zip
>>>>>>>>Drive (E:) , besides the A:, of course. There is
>>>>>>>>currently no problem with the Unit. However, while
>>>>>>>>testing my BootDisk (created in some way when I
>>>>>>>>upgraded WIN98 OS to WIN98SE ......no recollection
>>>>>>>>of how the BootDisk was created) I was surprised to
>>>>>>>>find out that the directory of C: is actually the
>>>>>>>>one from the Slave Drive. The directory of D: shows
>>>>>>>>15 files.....the Diagnostic Files listed in the
>>>>>>>>BootDisk. The CD-ROM becomes the E: Drive. The
>>>>>>>>Primary Master and the Zip Drive are not
>>>>>>>>accessible. Is this a common occurrence? Would I
>>>>>>>>have to disconnect or disable the Slave HD if I
>>>>>>>>should have problems and need to use a BootDisk to
>>>>>>>>get going? I never uninstalled the WIN98 OS of the
>>>>>>>>Primary Slave. Similar results occur when using a
>>>>>>>>BootDisk downloaded from Bootdisk.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Before going to BootDisk.com, I was and still am
>>>>>>>>unable to create another BootDisk from WIN98SE OS.
>>>>>>>>The problem is that, when I try to do so, the
>>>>>>>>System asks me to insert the WIN98SE CD, but it
>>>>>>>>cannot find the files needed. By choosing 'skip
>>>>>>>>file', I can see all the files that the System is
>>>>>>>>looking for. Those files are in the WIN98 Folder of
>>>>>>>>the CD in Base4.cab and Base5.cab. Those files are
>>>>>>>>also in C:\Windows\Command\Ebd folder. When I type
>>>>>>>>the locations of any of those folders in the Dialog
>>>>>>>>Box, the System ignores all and insists that they
>>>>>>>>cannot be found and keeps on prompting me to insert
>>>>>>>>the WIN98SE CD. What am I doing wrong? Any help
>>>>>>>>will be appreciated. PAL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-- Rawat
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Rawat
>>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rawat
>>
>>

--
Rawat
Anonymous
March 7, 2005 5:25:04 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"V S Rawat" wrote:

> On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>
> > Results of my attempts:
> > ----------
> > V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> > Finding your C: win98 version:
> > maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of 98 (say SE)
> > and in the folder
> > or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
> >
> > One try:
> > remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> > goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > There should be something mentioned there like
> > System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> > Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > .....
> > BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
>
> Good enough.
>
> >
> > ------------
> > V S - now shutdown.
> > insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> > once you reach commandprompt, give
> > ver (and press enter)
> > something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > .......
> > BAP - It boots up to A:
> > from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
>
> Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
> not match.
>
> > --------
> > V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> > Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> > C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in normal setup
> > F is your CD
> > ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
> > enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> > Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> > press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable win98.
> > it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> > once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> > something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > What is written on it.
> > .........
> > BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> > It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up, but it came
> > up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID’s -Just a normal Start.
> > I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> > When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
>
> But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
> harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
>
> In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
> something different.
>
******** The missing B bothered me, as well.

> When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> (did the diode on cd drive blink?)
>
******** Failed to look for that

> Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.

********* It never happened.

> Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
>
> But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
>
> So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
>
************ Good Question!

> > ----------
> > V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk win98 and
> > your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three does not match,
> > that is the culprit of
> > some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you have already
> > mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> > First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
> > shutdown. remove cd. restart
> > Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> > C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed A to F
> > change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be able to do it
> > by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box where "F" is
> > appearing. then select D.
> > press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First edition
> > once you reach desktop, give goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > There should be something mentioned there like
> > System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111 (my guess)
> > What is written on it?
> > ........
> > BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination was not
> > available.
>
> OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
> used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
>
> > It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System showed
> > [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
>
> Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
>
*********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with it.

> > ----------
> > V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did not work
> > out, so you
> > reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first
> > edition
> > from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere some version
> > clash has taken place.
> > Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D, which you
> > need to change
> > back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
> > the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it back from D to
> > A.
> > save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> > It should boot from c
> > All the best.
> > One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> > win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> > onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
> >
> > BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be bootable. As
> > mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the Primary Slave HD
> > and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> > Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
>
> So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
> primary drive, which win version does it show?
>
*********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes the active C:
drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume that if I disable
the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current Primary Master should
be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.

Thank you for your patience!
Anonymous
March 8, 2005 5:33:03 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

One more thing, V S!
I did play around with the Boot Sequence in the BIOS, as per some of your
suggestions............

To recall:
> When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> (did the diode on cd drive blink?)
>
******** Failed to look for that

> Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.

********* It never happened.

> Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
>
> But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
>
> So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
>
************ Good Question!
------------------------------
Latest:

********* I tried the combination of CDROM, C, A
At some time,while booting, the Diode did turn to green and a message on the
Screen said:
'Boot from ATAPI CDROM.....Failure'.
Nothing else came up.....no other message or Command Prompt.
It merely proceded to Boot from C.... A normal Boot.
PAL
**********
---------------------------------

"BAP" wrote:

>
>
> "V S Rawat" wrote:
>
> > On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> >
> > > Results of my attempts:
> > > ----------
> > > V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> > > Finding your C: win98 version:
> > > maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of 98 (say SE)
> > > and in the folder
> > > or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
> > >
> > > One try:
> > > remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> > > goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > > There should be something mentioned there like
> > > System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> > > Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > > .....
> > > BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
> >
> > Good enough.
> >
> > >
> > > ------------
> > > V S - now shutdown.
> > > insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> > > once you reach commandprompt, give
> > > ver (and press enter)
> > > something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > > Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > > .......
> > > BAP - It boots up to A:
> > > from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> >
> > Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
> > not match.
> >
> > > --------
> > > V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> > > Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > > go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> > > C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in normal setup
> > > F is your CD
> > > ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
> > > enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> > > Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> > > press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > > it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable win98.
> > > it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> > > once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> > > something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > > What is written on it.
> > > .........
> > > BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> > > It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up, but it came
> > > up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID’s -Just a normal Start.
> > > I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> > > When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> >
> > But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
> > harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
> >
> > In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
> > something different.
> >
> ******** The missing B bothered me, as well.
>
> > When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > (did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> >
> ******** Failed to look for that
>
> > Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
>
> ********* It never happened.
>
> > Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> >
> > But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> >
> > So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> >
> ************ Good Question!
>
> > > ----------
> > > V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk win98 and
> > > your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three does not match,
> > > that is the culprit of
> > > some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you have already
> > > mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> > > First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
> > > shutdown. remove cd. restart
> > > Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > > go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> > > C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed A to F
> > > change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be able to do it
> > > by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box where "F" is
> > > appearing. then select D.
> > > press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > > it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First edition
> > > once you reach desktop, give goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > > There should be something mentioned there like
> > > System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111 (my guess)
> > > What is written on it?
> > > ........
> > > BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination was not
> > > available.
> >
> > OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
> > used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
> >
> > > It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System showed
> > > [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
> >
> > Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
> >
> *********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with it.
>
> > > ----------
> > > V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did not work
> > > out, so you
> > > reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first
> > > edition
> > > from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere some version
> > > clash has taken place.
> > > Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D, which you
> > > need to change
> > > back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
> > > the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it back from D to
> > > A.
> > > save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> > > It should boot from c
> > > All the best.
> > > One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> > > win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> > > onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
> > >
> > > BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be bootable. As
> > > mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the Primary Slave HD
> > > and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> > > Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
> >
> > So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
> > primary drive, which win version does it show?
> >
> *********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes the active C:
> drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume that if I disable
> the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current Primary Master should
> be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.
>
> Thank you for your patience!
>
>
Anonymous
March 9, 2005 2:20:03 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On 3/8/05 4:03 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:

> One more thing, V S!
> I did play around with the Boot Sequence in the BIOS, as per some of your
> suggestions............
>
> To recall:
>
>>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
>>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
>>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
>>
>
> ******** Failed to look for that

try again. It is 3 seconds job for you now. :) 

>
>
>>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
>>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
>
>
> ********* It never happened.
>
>
>>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
>>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
>>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
>>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
>>
>>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
>>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
>>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
>>
>>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
>>
>
> ************ Good Question!
> ------------------------------
> Latest:
>
> ********* I tried the combination of CDROM, C, A
> At some time,while booting, the Diode did turn to green and a message on the
> Screen said:
> 'Boot from ATAPI CDROM.....Failure'.
> Nothing else came up.....no other message or Command Prompt.

It establishes beyond doubts that your CDROM is non-bootable
(or corrupt, but you said you can see its contents in
windows explorer, so it is not corrupt)

Whomever you have baught that CD from, try asking them to
change it to a bootable CD of the same version. Depending on
their concern about Customer satisfaction, they should do
it, most probably without charging you anything or at worst
charging you some money to cover the cost of Cd and/or writing.

> It merely proceded to Boot from C.... A normal Boot.
> PAL
> **********

Nice to see you trying various permutations and combinations.

The GOLDEN rule of boot sequence:
"Put removable drives first in the boot sequence."

CDROM and floppy you can remove. Thus keep them first.
say, put A, CDROM, C

It will check A:, if it finds a bootable floppy in A, it
will boot from A.

if it doesn't find a bootable floppy in A:, it will proceed
to next boot device that is a CDROM.

Now, if it finds a bootable CD in F, it will boot from F.

if it doesn't find a bootable CD in F:, it will proceed to
next boot device that is a C:.

As C will always have a bootable win98SE, it will boot from
C if everything else fails.
---
You have put CDROM, C, A. It will always find bootable
windows in C, so it will never proceed to check A.
---
For the problem of it showing 10GB D as primary harddisk, put

1. CDROM, A, C, and then
2. A, CDROM, C

In both cases, try
1. to boot from bootdisk (remove CD), and then,
2. to boot from the CD (remove bootdisk).
3. to boot normally (remove bootdisk and remove CD).

See what comes up as C and D.

My guess is that it should now show C correctly as 30 GB,
and D correctly as 10GB in all six cases.
---

I also suggest that you take pains:
- to backup all required things from your 10GB D:
- format D:
- restore all backed up things to your D:

It will get rid of your first edition of win98 in D:.

It is not advisable that you keep different versions of same
software in same or different partitions, which can get
accessed simultaneouly. Any single mixmatch of one driver
files between two version might mess up your system one fine
morning.

---

Once you have booted to the windows having 2222B version,
try to create a new boot disk. It should work.
---

As far as myself following the boot sequence: No, I don't
follow it. I have put C as my first boot device. Second and
third boot devices are disabled.

It is because putting A/ CDROM before C will make it spend a
few seconds while it accesses A and CDROM which will not be
there. Why waste that time.

Whenever I need to boot from CD (Win bootable), I manually
change boot sequence, and after the task is done, I change
it back to the above.

> ---------------------------------
>
> "BAP" wrote:
>
>
>>
>>"V S Rawat" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Results of my attempts:
>>>>----------
>>>>V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
>>>>Finding your C: win98 version:
>>>>maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of 98 (say SE)
>>>>and in the folder
>>>>or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
>>>>
>>>>One try:
>>>>remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
>>>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
>>>>There should be something mentioned there like
>>>>System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
>>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
>>>> .....
>>>>BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
>>>
>>>Good enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>>------------
>>>>V S - now shutdown.
>>>>insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
>>>>once you reach commandprompt, give
>>>>ver (and press enter)
>>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
>>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
>>>>.......
>>>>BAP - It boots up to A:
>>>>from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
>>>
>>>Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
>>>not match.
>>>
>>>
>>>>--------
>>>>V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
>>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
>>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
>>>>C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in normal setup
>>>>F is your CD
>>>>ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
>>>>enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
>>>>Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
>>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
>>>>it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable win98.
>>>>it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
>>>>once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
>>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
>>>>What is written on it.
>>>>.........
>>>>BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
>>>>It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up, but it came
>>>>up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID's -Just a normal Start.
>>>>I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
>>>>When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
>>>
>>>But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
>>>harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
>>>
>>>In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
>>>something different.
>>>
>>
>>******** The missing B bothered me, as well.
>>
>>
>>>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
>>>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
>>>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
>>>
>>
>>******** Failed to look for that
>>
>>
>>>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
>>>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
>>
>>********* It never happened.
>>
>>
>>>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
>>>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
>>>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
>>>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
>>>
>>>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
>>>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
>>>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
>>>
>>>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
>>>
>>
>>************ Good Question!
>>
>>
>>>>----------
>>>>V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk win98 and
>>>>your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three does not match,
>>>>that is the culprit of
>>>>some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you have already
>>>>mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
>>>>First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
>>>>shutdown. remove cd. restart
>>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
>>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
>>>>C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed A to F
>>>>change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be able to do it
>>>>by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box where "F" is
>>>>appearing. then select D.
>>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
>>>>it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First edition
>>>>once you reach desktop, give goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
>>>>There should be something mentioned there like
>>>>System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111 (my guess)
>>>>What is written on it?
>>>>........
>>>>BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination was not
>>>>available.
>>>
>>>OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
>>>used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
>>>
>>>
>>>>It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System showed
>>>>[Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
>>>
>>>Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
>>>
>>
>>*********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with it.
>>
>>
>>>>----------
>>>>V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did not work
>>>>out, so you
>>>>reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first
>>>>edition
>>>>from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere some version
>>>>clash has taken place.
>>>>Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D, which you
>>>>need to change
>>>>back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
>>>>the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it back from D to
>>>>A.
>>>>save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
>>>>It should boot from c
>>>>All the best.
>>>>One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
>>>>win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
>>>>onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
>>>>
>>>>BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be bootable. As
>>>>mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the Primary Slave HD
>>>> and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
>>>>Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
>>>
>>>So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
>>>primary drive, which win version does it show?
>>>
>>
>>*********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes the active C:
>>drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume that if I disable
>>the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current Primary Master should
>>be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.
>>
>>Thank you for your patience!
>>
>>

--
Rawat
Anonymous
March 10, 2005 5:39:06 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

V S, I admire your determination to stick with this subject. I notice that,
even when you prompted someone else from the helpful group to give some
suggestions on the matter, not much help came from anyone else. I thank you
for your willingness to stay with it.

Anyway, in the Bios Boot Sequence you suggested, the combinations of A,
CDROM, C or CDROM, A, C do not seem to be available options. I did use the
original W98 CD to see what would happen. That CD, in my thinking, is
bootable, as it came up with W98 setup screen and, if exited, to a Command
prompt D:\W98>. However, when I entered C:\ I was in the Primary Slave HD.
If you recall, the W98SE CD, except for the banner "Boot from ATAPI CDROM",
shows nothing else and gets me in the Primary Master, as in a normal boot.

As far as the other suggestions......backup 'stuff' from the Slave and
Format D........I simply dread the thought. Format and Partition are not
cherished words or tasks for me, who has never done anything like that.
Perhaps, it is time that I get enough nerve and make attempts.
I really appreciate your help!
PAL
---------------------

"V S Rawat" wrote:

> On 3/8/05 4:03 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
>
> > One more thing, V S!
> > I did play around with the Boot Sequence in the BIOS, as per some of your
> > suggestions............
> >
> > To recall:
> >
> >>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> >>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> >>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> >>
> >
> > ******** Failed to look for that
>
> try again. It is 3 seconds job for you now. :) 
>
> >
> >
> >>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> >>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> >
> >
> > ********* It never happened.
> >
> >
> >>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> >>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> >>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> >>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> >>
> >>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> >>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> >>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> >>
> >>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> >>
> >
> > ************ Good Question!
> > ------------------------------
> > Latest:
> >
> > ********* I tried the combination of CDROM, C, A
> > At some time,while booting, the Diode did turn to green and a message on the
> > Screen said:
> > 'Boot from ATAPI CDROM.....Failure'.
> > Nothing else came up.....no other message or Command Prompt.
>
> It establishes beyond doubts that your CDROM is non-bootable
> (or corrupt, but you said you can see its contents in
> windows explorer, so it is not corrupt)
>
> Whomever you have baught that CD from, try asking them to
> change it to a bootable CD of the same version. Depending on
> their concern about Customer satisfaction, they should do
> it, most probably without charging you anything or at worst
> charging you some money to cover the cost of Cd and/or writing.
>
> > It merely proceded to Boot from C.... A normal Boot.
> > PAL
> > **********
>
> Nice to see you trying various permutations and combinations.
>
> The GOLDEN rule of boot sequence:
> "Put removable drives first in the boot sequence."
>
> CDROM and floppy you can remove. Thus keep them first.
> say, put A, CDROM, C
>
> It will check A:, if it finds a bootable floppy in A, it
> will boot from A.
>
> if it doesn't find a bootable floppy in A:, it will proceed
> to next boot device that is a CDROM.
>
> Now, if it finds a bootable CD in F, it will boot from F.
>
> if it doesn't find a bootable CD in F:, it will proceed to
> next boot device that is a C:.
>
> As C will always have a bootable win98SE, it will boot from
> C if everything else fails.
> ---
> You have put CDROM, C, A. It will always find bootable
> windows in C, so it will never proceed to check A.
> ---
> For the problem of it showing 10GB D as primary harddisk, put
>
> 1. CDROM, A, C, and then
> 2. A, CDROM, C
>
> In both cases, try
> 1. to boot from bootdisk (remove CD), and then,
> 2. to boot from the CD (remove bootdisk).
> 3. to boot normally (remove bootdisk and remove CD).
>
> See what comes up as C and D.
>
> My guess is that it should now show C correctly as 30 GB,
> and D correctly as 10GB in all six cases.
> ---
>
> I also suggest that you take pains:
> - to backup all required things from your 10GB D:
> - format D:
> - restore all backed up things to your D:
>
> It will get rid of your first edition of win98 in D:.
>
> It is not advisable that you keep different versions of same
> software in same or different partitions, which can get
> accessed simultaneouly. Any single mixmatch of one driver
> files between two version might mess up your system one fine
> morning.
>
> ---
>
> Once you have booted to the windows having 2222B version,
> try to create a new boot disk. It should work.
> ---
>
> As far as myself following the boot sequence: No, I don't
> follow it. I have put C as my first boot device. Second and
> third boot devices are disabled.
>
> It is because putting A/ CDROM before C will make it spend a
> few seconds while it accesses A and CDROM which will not be
> there. Why waste that time.
>
> Whenever I need to boot from CD (Win bootable), I manually
> change boot sequence, and after the task is done, I change
> it back to the above.
>
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > "BAP" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>"V S Rawat" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Results of my attempts:
> >>>>----------
> >>>>V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> >>>>Finding your C: win98 version:
> >>>>maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of 98 (say SE)
> >>>>and in the folder
> >>>>or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
> >>>>
> >>>>One try:
> >>>>remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> >>>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> >>>>System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> >>>> .....
> >>>>BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
> >>>
> >>>Good enough.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>------------
> >>>>V S - now shutdown.
> >>>>insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give
> >>>>ver (and press enter)
> >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> >>>>.......
> >>>>BAP - It boots up to A:
> >>>>from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> >>>
> >>>Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
> >>>not match.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>--------
> >>>>V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> >>>>C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in normal setup
> >>>>F is your CD
> >>>>ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing
> >>>>enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> >>>>Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> >>>>it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable win98.
> >>>>it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> >>>>What is written on it.
> >>>>.........
> >>>>BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> >>>>It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up, but it came
> >>>>up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID’s -Just a normal Start.
> >>>>I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> >>>>When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> >>>
> >>>But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
> >>>harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
> >>>
> >>>In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
> >>>something different.
> >>>
> >>
> >>******** The missing B bothered me, as well.
> >>
> >>
> >>>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> >>>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> >>>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> >>>
> >>
> >>******** Failed to look for that
> >>
> >>
> >>>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> >>>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> >>
> >>********* It never happened.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> >>>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> >>>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> >>>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> >>>
> >>>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> >>>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> >>>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> >>>
> >>>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> >>>
> >>
> >>************ Good Question!
> >>
> >>
> >>>>----------
> >>>>V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk win98 and
> >>>>your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three does not match,
> >>>>that is the culprit of
> >>>>some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you have already
> >>>>mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> >>>>First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
> >>>>shutdown. remove cd. restart
> >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned above (A,
> >>>>C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed A to F
> >>>>change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be able to do it
> >>>>by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box where "F" is
> >>>>appearing. then select D.
> >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> >>>>it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First edition
> >>>>once you reach desktop, give goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> >>>>System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111 (my guess)
> >>>>What is written on it?
> >>>>........
> >>>>BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination was not
> >>>>available.
> >>>
> >>>OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
> >>>used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System showed
> >>>>[Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
> >>>
> >>>Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
> >>>
> >>
> >>*********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>----------
> >>>>V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that did not work
> >>>>out, so you
> >>>>reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and transferred first
> >>>>edition
> >>>>from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere some version
> >>>>clash has taken place.
> >>>>Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D, which you
> >>>>need to change
> >>>>back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
> >>>>the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it back from D to
> >>>>A.
> >>>>save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> >>>>It should boot from c
> >>>>All the best.
> >>>>One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> >>>>win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> >>>>onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
> >>>>
> >>>>BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be bootable. As
> >>>>mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the Primary Slave HD
> >>>> and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> >>>>Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
> >>>
> >>>So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
> >>>primary drive, which win version does it show?
> >>>
> >>
> >>*********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes the active C:
> >>drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume that if I disable
> >>the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current Primary Master should
> >>be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.
> >>
> >>Thank you for your patience!
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Rawat
>
Anonymous
March 10, 2005 9:06:17 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I have been passing over this thread simply because I can't follow yours
and V. S.'s conversation. If you can reformulate your current issue(s)
concisely and provide the essential details, I might be able to assist.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:37513E31-42F2-4BCC-A817-EF621CA5962E@microsoft.com...
> V S, I admire your determination to stick with this subject. I notice
that,
> even when you prompted someone else from the helpful group to give
some
> suggestions on the matter, not much help came from anyone else. I
thank you
> for your willingness to stay with it.
>
> Anyway, in the Bios Boot Sequence you suggested, the combinations of
A,
> CDROM, C or CDROM, A, C do not seem to be available options. I did
use the
> original W98 CD to see what would happen. That CD, in my thinking, is
> bootable, as it came up with W98 setup screen and, if exited, to a
Command
> prompt D:\W98>. However, when I entered C:\ I was in the Primary Slave
HD.
> If you recall, the W98SE CD, except for the banner "Boot from ATAPI
CDROM",
> shows nothing else and gets me in the Primary Master, as in a normal
boot.
>
> As far as the other suggestions......backup 'stuff' from the Slave and
> Format D........I simply dread the thought. Format and Partition are
not
> cherished words or tasks for me, who has never done anything like
that.
> Perhaps, it is time that I get enough nerve and make attempts.
> I really appreciate your help!
> PAL
> ---------------------
>
> "V S Rawat" wrote:
>
> > On 3/8/05 4:03 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> >
> > > One more thing, V S!
> > > I did play around with the Boot Sequence in the BIOS, as per some
of your
> > > suggestions............
> > >
> > > To recall:
> > >
> > >>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > >>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > >>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> > >>
> > >
> > > ******** Failed to look for that
> >
> > try again. It is 3 seconds job for you now. :) 
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > >>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> > >
> > >
> > > ********* It never happened.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > >>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > >>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > >>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> > >>
> > >>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > >>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > >>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> > >>
> > >>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> > >>
> > >
> > > ************ Good Question!
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Latest:
> > >
> > > ********* I tried the combination of CDROM, C, A
> > > At some time,while booting, the Diode did turn to green and a
message on the
> > > Screen said:
> > > 'Boot from ATAPI CDROM.....Failure'.
> > > Nothing else came up.....no other message or Command Prompt.
> >
> > It establishes beyond doubts that your CDROM is non-bootable
> > (or corrupt, but you said you can see its contents in
> > windows explorer, so it is not corrupt)
> >
> > Whomever you have baught that CD from, try asking them to
> > change it to a bootable CD of the same version. Depending on
> > their concern about Customer satisfaction, they should do
> > it, most probably without charging you anything or at worst
> > charging you some money to cover the cost of Cd and/or writing.
> >
> > > It merely proceded to Boot from C.... A normal Boot.
> > > PAL
> > > **********
> >
> > Nice to see you trying various permutations and combinations.
> >
> > The GOLDEN rule of boot sequence:
> > "Put removable drives first in the boot sequence."
> >
> > CDROM and floppy you can remove. Thus keep them first.
> > say, put A, CDROM, C
> >
> > It will check A:, if it finds a bootable floppy in A, it
> > will boot from A.
> >
> > if it doesn't find a bootable floppy in A:, it will proceed
> > to next boot device that is a CDROM.
> >
> > Now, if it finds a bootable CD in F, it will boot from F.
> >
> > if it doesn't find a bootable CD in F:, it will proceed to
> > next boot device that is a C:.
> >
> > As C will always have a bootable win98SE, it will boot from
> > C if everything else fails.
> > ---
> > You have put CDROM, C, A. It will always find bootable
> > windows in C, so it will never proceed to check A.
> > ---
> > For the problem of it showing 10GB D as primary harddisk, put
> >
> > 1. CDROM, A, C, and then
> > 2. A, CDROM, C
> >
> > In both cases, try
> > 1. to boot from bootdisk (remove CD), and then,
> > 2. to boot from the CD (remove bootdisk).
> > 3. to boot normally (remove bootdisk and remove CD).
> >
> > See what comes up as C and D.
> >
> > My guess is that it should now show C correctly as 30 GB,
> > and D correctly as 10GB in all six cases.
> > ---
> >
> > I also suggest that you take pains:
> > - to backup all required things from your 10GB D:
> > - format D:
> > - restore all backed up things to your D:
> >
> > It will get rid of your first edition of win98 in D:.
> >
> > It is not advisable that you keep different versions of same
> > software in same or different partitions, which can get
> > accessed simultaneouly. Any single mixmatch of one driver
> > files between two version might mess up your system one fine
> > morning.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Once you have booted to the windows having 2222B version,
> > try to create a new boot disk. It should work.
> > ---
> >
> > As far as myself following the boot sequence: No, I don't
> > follow it. I have put C as my first boot device. Second and
> > third boot devices are disabled.
> >
> > It is because putting A/ CDROM before C will make it spend a
> > few seconds while it accesses A and CDROM which will not be
> > there. Why waste that time.
> >
> > Whenever I need to boot from CD (Win bootable), I manually
> > change boot sequence, and after the task is done, I change
> > it back to the above.
> >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > > "BAP" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>"V S Rawat" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Results of my attempts:
> > >>>>----------
> > >>>>V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> > >>>>Finding your C: win98 version:
> > >>>>maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of
98 (say SE)
> > >>>>and in the folder
> > >>>>or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>One try:
> > >>>>remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> > >>>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> > >>>>System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> > >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > >>>> .....
> > >>>>BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
> > >>>
> > >>>Good enough.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>------------
> > >>>>V S - now shutdown.
> > >>>>insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> > >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give
> > >>>>ver (and press enter)
> > >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > >>>>.......
> > >>>>BAP - It boots up to A:
> > >>>>from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> > >>>
> > >>>Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
> > >>>not match.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>--------
> > >>>>V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> > >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned
above (A,
> > >>>>C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in
normal setup
> > >>>>F is your CD
> > >>>>ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or
by pressing
> > >>>>enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> > >>>>Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> > >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > >>>>it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable
win98.
> > >>>>it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> > >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> > >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > >>>>What is written on it.
> > >>>>.........
> > >>>>BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> > >>>>It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up,
but it came
> > >>>>up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID’s -Just a
normal Start.
> > >>>>I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> > >>>>When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98
[Version 4.10.2222]
> > >>>
> > >>>But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
> > >>>harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
> > >>>
> > >>>In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
> > >>>something different.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>******** The missing B bothered me, as well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > >>>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > >>>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>******** Failed to look for that
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > >>>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> > >>
> > >>********* It never happened.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > >>>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > >>>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > >>>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> > >>>
> > >>>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > >>>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > >>>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> > >>>
> > >>>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>************ Good Question!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>----------
> > >>>>V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk
win98 and
> > >>>>your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three
does not match,
> > >>>>that is the culprit of
> > >>>>some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you
have already
> > >>>>mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> > >>>>First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
> > >>>>shutdown. remove cd. restart
> > >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned
above (A,
> > >>>>C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed
A to F
> > >>>>change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be
able to do it
> > >>>>by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box
where "F" is
> > >>>>appearing. then select D.
> > >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > >>>>it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First
edition
> > >>>>once you reach desktop, give goto
start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> > >>>>System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111
(my guess)
> > >>>>What is written on it?
> > >>>>........
> > >>>>BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination
was not
> > >>>>available.
> > >>>
> > >>>OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
> > >>>used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System
showed
> > >>>>[Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
> > >>>
> > >>>Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>*********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>----------
> > >>>>V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that
did not work
> > >>>>out, so you
> > >>>>reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and
transferred first
> > >>>>edition
> > >>>>from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere
some version
> > >>>>clash has taken place.
> > >>>>Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D,
which you
> > >>>>need to change
> > >>>>back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
> > >>>>the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it
back from D to
> > >>>>A.
> > >>>>save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> > >>>>It should boot from c
> > >>>>All the best.
> > >>>>One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> > >>>>win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> > >>>>onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be
bootable. As
> > >>>>mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the
Primary Slave HD
> > >>>> and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> > >>>>Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
> > >>>
> > >>>So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
> > >>>primary drive, which win version does it show?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>*********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes the
active C:
> > >>drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume that if
I disable
> > >>the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current Primary
Master should
> > >>be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.
> > >>
> > >>Thank you for your patience!
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> > --
> > Rawat
> >
Anonymous
March 11, 2005 7:11:03 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Thanks for your interest, Gary!
V S Has been patient with me and I do appreciate it deeply.
I have to apologize for my methods for copying, pasting and mixing things up
im my statements. I made a big mess of things and even I have had problems
following it all.
It is not V S's fault!

I will need some time to 'reformulate' my issues in an orderly manner and
report at a later time. However, I am just wondering if I should continue
with this matter on this same post or start on another. My dial-up connection
and, perhaps, my ISP make it rather slow to navigate in and out of posts
dated earlier than the present date.
Thank you, for now!
PAL

PS: I do feel that VS's suggestion to Re-Format my Slave HD is appropriate
and I should consider that, however scary the task may seem to me.
-------------
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I have been passing over this thread simply because I can't follow yours
> and V. S.'s conversation. If you can reformulate your current issue(s)
> concisely and provide the essential details, I might be able to assist.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:37513E31-42F2-4BCC-A817-EF621CA5962E@microsoft.com...
> > V S, I admire your determination to stick with this subject. I notice
> that,
> > even when you prompted someone else from the helpful group to give
> some
> > suggestions on the matter, not much help came from anyone else. I
> thank you
> > for your willingness to stay with it.
> >
> > Anyway, in the Bios Boot Sequence you suggested, the combinations of
> A,
> > CDROM, C or CDROM, A, C do not seem to be available options. I did
> use the
> > original W98 CD to see what would happen. That CD, in my thinking, is
> > bootable, as it came up with W98 setup screen and, if exited, to a
> Command
> > prompt D:\W98>. However, when I entered C:\ I was in the Primary Slave
> HD.
> > If you recall, the W98SE CD, except for the banner "Boot from ATAPI
> CDROM",
> > shows nothing else and gets me in the Primary Master, as in a normal
> boot.
> >
> > As far as the other suggestions......backup 'stuff' from the Slave and
> > Format D........I simply dread the thought. Format and Partition are
> not
> > cherished words or tasks for me, who has never done anything like
> that.
> > Perhaps, it is time that I get enough nerve and make attempts.
> > I really appreciate your help!
> > PAL
> > ---------------------
> >
> > "V S Rawat" wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/8/05 4:03 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> > >
> > > > One more thing, V S!
> > > > I did play around with the Boot Sequence in the BIOS, as per some
> of your
> > > > suggestions............
> > > >
> > > > To recall:
> > > >
> > > >>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > > >>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > > >>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > ******** Failed to look for that
> > >
> > > try again. It is 3 seconds job for you now. :) 
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > > >>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ********* It never happened.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > > >>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > > >>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > > >>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> > > >>
> > > >>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > > >>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > > >>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> > > >>
> > > >>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > ************ Good Question!
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Latest:
> > > >
> > > > ********* I tried the combination of CDROM, C, A
> > > > At some time,while booting, the Diode did turn to green and a
> message on the
> > > > Screen said:
> > > > 'Boot from ATAPI CDROM.....Failure'.
> > > > Nothing else came up.....no other message or Command Prompt.
> > >
> > > It establishes beyond doubts that your CDROM is non-bootable
> > > (or corrupt, but you said you can see its contents in
> > > windows explorer, so it is not corrupt)
> > >
> > > Whomever you have baught that CD from, try asking them to
> > > change it to a bootable CD of the same version. Depending on
> > > their concern about Customer satisfaction, they should do
> > > it, most probably without charging you anything or at worst
> > > charging you some money to cover the cost of Cd and/or writing.
> > >
> > > > It merely proceded to Boot from C.... A normal Boot.
> > > > PAL
> > > > **********
> > >
> > > Nice to see you trying various permutations and combinations.
> > >
> > > The GOLDEN rule of boot sequence:
> > > "Put removable drives first in the boot sequence."
> > >
> > > CDROM and floppy you can remove. Thus keep them first.
> > > say, put A, CDROM, C
> > >
> > > It will check A:, if it finds a bootable floppy in A, it
> > > will boot from A.
> > >
> > > if it doesn't find a bootable floppy in A:, it will proceed
> > > to next boot device that is a CDROM.
> > >
> > > Now, if it finds a bootable CD in F, it will boot from F.
> > >
> > > if it doesn't find a bootable CD in F:, it will proceed to
> > > next boot device that is a C:.
> > >
> > > As C will always have a bootable win98SE, it will boot from
> > > C if everything else fails.
> > > ---
> > > You have put CDROM, C, A. It will always find bootable
> > > windows in C, so it will never proceed to check A.
> > > ---
> > > For the problem of it showing 10GB D as primary harddisk, put
> > >
> > > 1. CDROM, A, C, and then
> > > 2. A, CDROM, C
> > >
> > > In both cases, try
> > > 1. to boot from bootdisk (remove CD), and then,
> > > 2. to boot from the CD (remove bootdisk).
> > > 3. to boot normally (remove bootdisk and remove CD).
> > >
> > > See what comes up as C and D.
> > >
> > > My guess is that it should now show C correctly as 30 GB,
> > > and D correctly as 10GB in all six cases.
> > > ---
> > >
> > > I also suggest that you take pains:
> > > - to backup all required things from your 10GB D:
> > > - format D:
> > > - restore all backed up things to your D:
> > >
> > > It will get rid of your first edition of win98 in D:.
> > >
> > > It is not advisable that you keep different versions of same
> > > software in same or different partitions, which can get
> > > accessed simultaneouly. Any single mixmatch of one driver
> > > files between two version might mess up your system one fine
> > > morning.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Once you have booted to the windows having 2222B version,
> > > try to create a new boot disk. It should work.
> > > ---
> > >
> > > As far as myself following the boot sequence: No, I don't
> > > follow it. I have put C as my first boot device. Second and
> > > third boot devices are disabled.
> > >
> > > It is because putting A/ CDROM before C will make it spend a
> > > few seconds while it accesses A and CDROM which will not be
> > > there. Why waste that time.
> > >
> > > Whenever I need to boot from CD (Win bootable), I manually
> > > change boot sequence, and after the task is done, I change
> > > it back to the above.
> > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > "BAP" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>"V S Rawat" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Results of my attempts:
> > > >>>>----------
> > > >>>>V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> > > >>>>Finding your C: win98 version:
> > > >>>>maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version of
> 98 (say SE)
> > > >>>>and in the folder
> > > >>>>or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>One try:
> > > >>>>remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> > > >>>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > > >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> > > >>>>System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> > > >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > > >>>> .....
> > > >>>>BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Good enough.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>------------
> > > >>>>V S - now shutdown.
> > > >>>>insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> > > >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give
> > > >>>>ver (and press enter)
> > > >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > > >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > > >>>>.......
> > > >>>>BAP - It boots up to A:
> > > >>>>from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
> > > >>>not match.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>--------
> > > >>>>V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> > > >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > > >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned
> above (A,
> > > >>>>C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned that in
> normal setup
> > > >>>>F is your CD
> > > >>>>ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing pageup/pagedown, or
> by pressing
> > > >>>>enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> > > >>>>Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> > > >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > > >>>>it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable
> win98.
> > > >>>>it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> > > >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> > > >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > > >>>>What is written on it.
> > > >>>>.........
> > > >>>>BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> > > >>>>It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come up,
> but it came
> > > >>>>up with the normal startup and the normal Drives ID’s -Just a
> normal Start.
> > > >>>>I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> > > >>>>When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98
> [Version 4.10.2222]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
> > > >>>harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
> > > >>>something different.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>******** The missing B bothered me, as well.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > > >>>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > > >>>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>******** Failed to look for that
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > > >>>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> > > >>
> > > >>********* It never happened.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > > >>>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > > >>>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > > >>>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > > >>>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > > >>>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>************ Good Question!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>----------
> > > >>>>V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your bootdisk
> win98 and
> > > >>>>your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three
> does not match,
> > > >>>>that is the culprit of
> > > >>>>some other version. get that of same version as rest. And you
> have already
> > > >>>>mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> > > >>>>First edition which should not match. let's find out that too.
> > > >>>>shutdown. remove cd. restart
> > > >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > > >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence mentioned
> above (A,
> > > >>>>C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just changed
> A to F
> > > >>>>change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be
> able to do it
> > > >>>>by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that box
> where "F" is
> > > >>>>appearing. then select D.
> > > >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > > >>>>it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First
> edition
> > > >>>>once you reach desktop, give goto
> start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > > >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> > > >>>>System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess) 4.10.1111
> (my guess)
> > > >>>>What is written on it?
> > > >>>>........
> > > >>>>BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI combination
> was not
> > > >>>>available.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
> > > >>>used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System
> showed
> > > >>>>[Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>*********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with it.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>----------
> > > >>>>V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but that
> did not work
> > > >>>>out, so you
> > > >>>>reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and
> transferred first
> > > >>>>edition
> > > >>>>from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe somewhere
> some version
> > > >>>>clash has taken place.
> > > >>>>Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set to D,
> which you
> > > >>>>need to change
> > > >>>>back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios setup.
> > > >>>>the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change it
> back from D to
> > > >>>>A.
> > > >>>>save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> > > >>>>It should boot from c
> > > >>>>All the best.
> > > >>>>One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> > > >>>>win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> > > >>>>onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be
> bootable. As
> > > >>>>mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the
> Primary Slave HD
> > > >>>> and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> > > >>>>Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
> > > >>>primary drive, which win version does it show?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>*********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes the
> active C:
> > > >>drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume that if
> I disable
> > > >>the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current Primary
> Master should
> > > >>be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.
> > > >>
> > > >>Thank you for your patience!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rawat
> > >
>
>
Anonymous
March 11, 2005 7:25:21 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Sure, a new thread might well be best. And, as I said, it's difficult to
offer suggestions without a decent, updated understanding of the current
conditions and goals.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B71FBB0B-A8C0-4A90-9628-8B52F1AC65E6@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for your interest, Gary!
> V S Has been patient with me and I do appreciate it deeply.
> I have to apologize for my methods for copying, pasting and mixing
things up
> im my statements. I made a big mess of things and even I have had
problems
> following it all.
> It is not V S's fault!
>
> I will need some time to 'reformulate' my issues in an orderly manner
and
> report at a later time. However, I am just wondering if I should
continue
> with this matter on this same post or start on another. My dial-up
connection
> and, perhaps, my ISP make it rather slow to navigate in and out of
posts
> dated earlier than the present date.
> Thank you, for now!
> PAL
>
> PS: I do feel that VS's suggestion to Re-Format my Slave HD is
appropriate
> and I should consider that, however scary the task may seem to me.
> -------------
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
> > I have been passing over this thread simply because I can't follow
yours
> > and V. S.'s conversation. If you can reformulate your current
issue(s)
> > concisely and provide the essential details, I might be able to
assist.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:37513E31-42F2-4BCC-A817-EF621CA5962E@microsoft.com...
> > > V S, I admire your determination to stick with this subject. I
notice
> > that,
> > > even when you prompted someone else from the helpful group to give
> > some
> > > suggestions on the matter, not much help came from anyone else. I
> > thank you
> > > for your willingness to stay with it.
> > >
> > > Anyway, in the Bios Boot Sequence you suggested, the combinations
of
> > A,
> > > CDROM, C or CDROM, A, C do not seem to be available options. I
did
> > use the
> > > original W98 CD to see what would happen. That CD, in my thinking,
is
> > > bootable, as it came up with W98 setup screen and, if exited, to a
> > Command
> > > prompt D:\W98>. However, when I entered C:\ I was in the Primary
Slave
> > HD.
> > > If you recall, the W98SE CD, except for the banner "Boot from
ATAPI
> > CDROM",
> > > shows nothing else and gets me in the Primary Master, as in a
normal
> > boot.
> > >
> > > As far as the other suggestions......backup 'stuff' from the Slave
and
> > > Format D........I simply dread the thought. Format and Partition
are
> > not
> > > cherished words or tasks for me, who has never done anything like
> > that.
> > > Perhaps, it is time that I get enough nerve and make attempts.
> > > I really appreciate your help!
> > > PAL
> > > ---------------------
> > >
> > > "V S Rawat" wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 3/8/05 4:03 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > One more thing, V S!
> > > > > I did play around with the Boot Sequence in the BIOS, as per
some
> > of your
> > > > > suggestions............
> > > > >
> > > > > To recall:
> > > > >
> > > > >>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > > > >>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > > > >>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > ******** Failed to look for that
> > > >
> > > > try again. It is 3 seconds job for you now. :) 
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > > > >>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ********* It never happened.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > > > >>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > > > >>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > > > >>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > > > >>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > > > >>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > ************ Good Question!
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > Latest:
> > > > >
> > > > > ********* I tried the combination of CDROM, C, A
> > > > > At some time,while booting, the Diode did turn to green and a
> > message on the
> > > > > Screen said:
> > > > > 'Boot from ATAPI CDROM.....Failure'.
> > > > > Nothing else came up.....no other message or Command Prompt.
> > > >
> > > > It establishes beyond doubts that your CDROM is non-bootable
> > > > (or corrupt, but you said you can see its contents in
> > > > windows explorer, so it is not corrupt)
> > > >
> > > > Whomever you have baught that CD from, try asking them to
> > > > change it to a bootable CD of the same version. Depending on
> > > > their concern about Customer satisfaction, they should do
> > > > it, most probably without charging you anything or at worst
> > > > charging you some money to cover the cost of Cd and/or writing.
> > > >
> > > > > It merely proceded to Boot from C.... A normal Boot.
> > > > > PAL
> > > > > **********
> > > >
> > > > Nice to see you trying various permutations and combinations.
> > > >
> > > > The GOLDEN rule of boot sequence:
> > > > "Put removable drives first in the boot sequence."
> > > >
> > > > CDROM and floppy you can remove. Thus keep them first.
> > > > say, put A, CDROM, C
> > > >
> > > > It will check A:, if it finds a bootable floppy in A, it
> > > > will boot from A.
> > > >
> > > > if it doesn't find a bootable floppy in A:, it will proceed
> > > > to next boot device that is a CDROM.
> > > >
> > > > Now, if it finds a bootable CD in F, it will boot from F.
> > > >
> > > > if it doesn't find a bootable CD in F:, it will proceed to
> > > > next boot device that is a C:.
> > > >
> > > > As C will always have a bootable win98SE, it will boot from
> > > > C if everything else fails.
> > > > ---
> > > > You have put CDROM, C, A. It will always find bootable
> > > > windows in C, so it will never proceed to check A.
> > > > ---
> > > > For the problem of it showing 10GB D as primary harddisk, put
> > > >
> > > > 1. CDROM, A, C, and then
> > > > 2. A, CDROM, C
> > > >
> > > > In both cases, try
> > > > 1. to boot from bootdisk (remove CD), and then,
> > > > 2. to boot from the CD (remove bootdisk).
> > > > 3. to boot normally (remove bootdisk and remove CD).
> > > >
> > > > See what comes up as C and D.
> > > >
> > > > My guess is that it should now show C correctly as 30 GB,
> > > > and D correctly as 10GB in all six cases.
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > I also suggest that you take pains:
> > > > - to backup all required things from your 10GB D:
> > > > - format D:
> > > > - restore all backed up things to your D:
> > > >
> > > > It will get rid of your first edition of win98 in D:.
> > > >
> > > > It is not advisable that you keep different versions of same
> > > > software in same or different partitions, which can get
> > > > accessed simultaneouly. Any single mixmatch of one driver
> > > > files between two version might mess up your system one fine
> > > > morning.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > Once you have booted to the windows having 2222B version,
> > > > try to create a new boot disk. It should work.
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > As far as myself following the boot sequence: No, I don't
> > > > follow it. I have put C as my first boot device. Second and
> > > > third boot devices are disabled.
> > > >
> > > > It is because putting A/ CDROM before C will make it spend a
> > > > few seconds while it accesses A and CDROM which will not be
> > > > there. Why waste that time.
> > > >
> > > > Whenever I need to boot from CD (Win bootable), I manually
> > > > change boot sequence, and after the task is done, I change
> > > > it back to the above.
> > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > "BAP" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>"V S Rawat" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>On 3/6/05 5:49 PM India Time, _BAP_ wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>Results of my attempts:
> > > > >>>>----------
> > > > >>>>V S - One possibility is the mix up of win98 version.
> > > > >>>>Finding your C: win98 version:
> > > > >>>>maybe it is trying to find files of some particular version
of
> > 98 (say SE)
> > > > >>>>and in the folder
> > > > >>>>or in CD it is finding files of different version of 98.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>One try:
> > > > >>>>remove bootdisk. Boot normally from harddisk.
> > > > >>>>goto start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > > > >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> > > > >>>>System: icrosoft Windows 98 econd Edition .10.2222 A
> > > > >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > > > >>>> .....
> > > > >>>>BAP - Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222B
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Good enough.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>------------
> > > > >>>>V S - now shutdown.
> > > > >>>>insert bootdisk, and boot from it.
> > > > >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give
> > > > >>>>ver (and press enter)
> > > > >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > > > >>>>Could you please tell us what is mentioned there?
> > > > >>>>.......
> > > > >>>>BAP - It boots up to A:
> > > > >>>>from C: it shows Microsoft Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Now your harddisk 98's and your bootdisk's 98's version do
> > > > >>>not match.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>--------
> > > > >>>>V S - Now shutdown. remove bootdisk. restart
> > > > >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > > > >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
mentioned
> > above (A,
> > > > >>>>C,SCSI) change first boot from "A" to "F" (you mentioned
that in
> > normal setup
> > > > >>>>F is your CD
> > > > >>>>ROM). You would be able to do it by pressing
pageup/pagedown, or
> > by pressing
> > > > >>>>enter in that box where "A" is appearing. then select F.
> > > > >>>>Put your win98 CD in the CD rom.
> > > > >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > > > >>>>it will restart and boot from cdrom that I guess is bootable
> > win98.
> > > > >>>>it will ask for CDrom support, select yes.
> > > > >>>>once you reach commandprompt, give ver (and press enter)
> > > > >>>>something like "Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] will appear
> > > > >>>>What is written on it.
> > > > >>>>.........
> > > > >>>>BAP - F10 does respond. Had to press Esc, then Save.
> > > > >>>>It never asked for CD support & Command Prompt did not come
up,
> > but it came
> > > > >>>>up with the normal startup and the normal Drives
ID’s -Just a
> > normal Start.
> > > > >>>>I suppose that this means that the CD is not bootable?
> > > > >>>>When switching to DOS Prompt, the Version was: Windows 98
> > [Version 4.10.2222]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>But, you had mentioned above that in the normal boot (from
> > > > >>>harddisk c:)  the version was 4.10.2222B.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>In this, there is B missing, thus it got booted from
> > > > >>>something different.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>******** The missing B bothered me, as well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>When F is the first boot device, even if the Cd was not
> > > > >>>bootable, it should have accessed the CD at the boot time
> > > > >>>(did the diode on cd drive blink?)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>******** Failed to look for that
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Also, it should have shown "booting from CD ROM ATAPI: " or
> > > > >>>something like that for your CDROM manufacturer.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>********* It never happened.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Only then it could have come to know that CD is not bootable
> > > > >>>and then it would have gone ahead to boot from second boot
> > > > >>>device which in your case is A because you had mentioned
> > > > >>>below that F, C, SCSI was not available.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>But if you had removed the bootdisk from A, it would not
> > > > >>>have booted from that. and in any case, it would have come
> > > > >>>to comand prompt if it had booted from floppy.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>So where does it boot from? SCSI? what is that?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>************ Good Question!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>----------
> > > > >>>>V S - If it all matches, then your c:( 30GB) win98, your
bootdisk
> > win98 and
> > > > >>>>your cdrom win98 are the same version. If any of these three
> > does not match,
> > > > >>>>that is the culprit of
> > > > >>>>some other version. get that of same version as rest. And
you
> > have already
> > > > >>>>mentioned that your d: 10GB has win98
> > > > >>>>First edition which should not match. let's find out that
too.
> > > > >>>>shutdown. remove cd. restart
> > > > >>>>Go to BIOS setup (press "delete" at the start)
> > > > >>>>go to that window where you had seen the boot sequence
mentioned
> > above (A,
> > > > >>>>C, SCSI) it should show F, C, SCSI because you had just
changed
> > A to F
> > > > >>>>change first boot from "F" to "D" (your 10 GB). You would be
> > able to do it
> > > > >>>>by pressing pageup/pagedown, or by pressing enter in that
box
> > where "F" is
> > > > >>>>appearing. then select D.
> > > > >>>>press F10 to save, Y, exit.
> > > > >>>>it will restart and boot from D: that should be win98 First
> > edition
> > > > >>>>once you reach desktop, give goto
> > start-settings-controlpanel-System
> > > > >>>>There should be something mentioned there like
> > > > >>>>System: Microsoft Windows 98 First Edition (my guess)
4.10.1111
> > (my guess)
> > > > >>>>What is written on it?
> > > > >>>>........
> > > > >>>>BAP - The sequence was F, A, SCSI - The F, C, SCSI
combination
> > was not
> > > > >>>>available.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>OK. only first boot device matters, what is in the others is
> > > > >>>used only when there is nothing in the first boot device.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>It did boot from the Slave HD and the Control Panel/System
> > showed
> > > > >>>>[Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Good. You had mentioned that your D: was not 98SE.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>*********** Not supposed to be 98SE, even if I had messed with
it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>----------
> > > > >>>>V S - You had said you had tried to convert D: to SE but
that
> > did not work
> > > > >>>>out, so you
> > > > >>>>reverted to First edition. Then you had got a new 30GB and
> > transferred first
> > > > >>>>edition
> > > > >>>>from D to C. And then you had upgraded c to SE. Maybe
somewhere
> > some version
> > > > >>>>clash has taken place.
> > > > >>>>Also, once you have checked it all, your first boot is set
to D,
> > which you
> > > > >>>>need to change
> > > > >>>>back to C. shutdown. restart. press delete to enter bios
setup.
> > > > >>>>the way you hand changed first boot device earlier, change
it
> > back from D to
> > > > >>>>A.
> > > > >>>>save and exit. restart (remove all cd/floppy).
> > > > >>>>It should boot from c
> > > > >>>>All the best.
> > > > >>>>One good outcome of all this will be: if you have bootable
> > > > >>>>win98SE cd, you can throw away your bootfloppy. Next time
> > > > >>>>onwards you can do most of things with your CD.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>BAP - Back to normal. My Windows98SE CD Upgrade must not be
> > bootable. As
> > > > >>>>mentioned elsewhere, if the need arises, I could disable the
> > Primary Slave HD
> > > > >>>> and force the System to boot from the Primary Master HD.
> > > > >>>>Again, Thank you for your patience and help in this matter!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>So, in the case, when you are saying that it gives D: as
> > > > >>>primary drive, which win version does it show?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>*********** When I use the BootDisk and the Slave HD becomes
the
> > active C:
> > > > >>drive, it shows [Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998]. I assume
that if
> > I disable
> > > > >>the Primary Slave and boot with the Floppy, the current
Primary
> > Master should
> > > > >>be the active Drive. This should show version 4.10.2222B.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Thank you for your patience!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rawat
> > > >
> >
> >
!