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March 11, 2005 8:42:06 PM

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My System:
Tyan S2080 Tomcat 1815T
Intel PIII 1Gz
Antec 350w
Plextor CD/RW
Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100 HD
Western Digital 20.GB 7200 ata100 HD
ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128 PRO AGP 32MEG
SOUND BLASTER LIVE! VALUE
Win98se

I installed the above new mobo, cpu and psu. After initial setup, the BIOS
recognized all my drives and the cpu. I got no error beeps.
When trying to start up, I got a black screen with the text: can not read
drive C.
Drive C, as seen by my bios, is my master drive WD20gig.
Not knowing what else to do, I proceded to do a format and clean instal of
win98 using the procedure I have successfully done before from the Microsoft
Knowlege Base.
After running fdisk and deleting and creating an active primary dos
partition. I inserted my Win98CD as per instructions. The windows scandisk
gave me the following message:

ScanDisk cannot read from the last cluster on drive C. This clsuster is
eather damaged, or your system is not condigured properly. Crive C may need
to have Logical Block Addressing (LBA) enabled to work pproperly. or its
disk partition ay be incorrectly marked as a non-LBA partition. Data loss
can occur if your LBA setting or disk partition type for this drive is
misconfigured.
Check your computer's BIOS setup utility, or contact your computer
manufacturer, or have your computer checked by a qualified computer hardware
technician.
If you ar sure your drive is configured correctly, click Continue to have
ScanDisk check drive C for errors.

I checked the BIOS to make sure LBA was enabled.The BIOS choices are "auto"
and "disable". "Auto" says it means enabled, and this is what was already
set.
I figured that my harddrive was bad, so I purchased a new Maxtor 80gig
ATA133.
I switched out my WD for the Maxtor, and my BIOS recognized it. I used the
Maxtor software to creat 2 partitions. 1-20gig 2-60gig. Per the Maxtor
instructions, I procceded to install win98. I got the same ScanDisk message
as above.
I decided to start over using fdisk on the Maxtor.
I started to delete partitions and reformat using fdisk insead of the Maxtor
program and fdisk saw a total size of 12624mg rather than the actural size
of 80000mg.
This is where I'm at at the moment. What shall I do next?

More about : format problem

March 11, 2005 8:42:07 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"jg" <jg87@(nospan)verizon.net> wrote in message
news:o LkYd.100$qN3.80@trndny01...
> My System:
> Tyan S2080 Tomcat 1815T
> Intel PIII 1Gz
> Antec 350w
> Plextor CD/RW
> Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100 HD
> Western Digital 20.GB 7200 ata100 HD
> ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128 PRO AGP 32MEG
> SOUND BLASTER LIVE! VALUE
> Win98se
>
> I installed the above new mobo, cpu and psu. After initial setup, the BIOS
> recognized all my drives and the cpu. I got no error beeps.
> When trying to start up, I got a black screen with the text: can not read
> drive C.
> Drive C, as seen by my bios, is my master drive WD20gig.
> Not knowing what else to do, I proceded to do a format and clean instal of
> win98 using the procedure I have successfully done before from the
> Microsoft
> Knowlege Base.
> After running fdisk and deleting and creating an active primary dos
> partition. I inserted my Win98CD as per instructions. The windows scandisk
> gave me the following message:
>
> ScanDisk cannot read from the last cluster on drive C. This clsuster is
> eather damaged, or your system is not condigured properly. Crive C may
> need
> to have Logical Block Addressing (LBA) enabled to work pproperly. or its
> disk partition ay be incorrectly marked as a non-LBA partition. Data loss
> can occur if your LBA setting or disk partition type for this drive is
> misconfigured.
> Check your computer's BIOS setup utility, or contact your computer
> manufacturer, or have your computer checked by a qualified computer
> hardware
> technician.
> If you ar sure your drive is configured correctly, click Continue to have
> ScanDisk check drive C for errors.
>
> I checked the BIOS to make sure LBA was enabled.The BIOS choices are
> "auto"
> and "disable". "Auto" says it means enabled, and this is what was already
> set.
> I figured that my harddrive was bad, so I purchased a new Maxtor 80gig
> ATA133.
> I switched out my WD for the Maxtor, and my BIOS recognized it. I used the
> Maxtor software to creat 2 partitions. 1-20gig 2-60gig. Per the Maxtor
> instructions, I procceded to install win98. I got the same ScanDisk
> message
> as above.
> I decided to start over using fdisk on the Maxtor.
> I started to delete partitions and reformat using fdisk insead of the
> Maxtor
> program and fdisk saw a total size of 12624mg rather than the actural
> size
> of 80000mg.
> This is where I'm at at the moment. What shall I do next?

from "computing net"

If you used the Fdisk bundled with Win98 to partition this disk then that is
your problem. That version on Fdisk will not work properly with disks larger
than 64GB. You need the newer version of Fdisk. Unfortunately you will need
to delete your present partitions and creatd new one using the newer Fdisk.
If Fdisk can't delete the existing partitions, use Delpart to do that and
then fdisk to create new. Find the new Fdisk and Delpart here:

http://radified.com/Files/

hope that helps
Anonymous
March 12, 2005 1:18:50 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

See if you executed all the steps:

1. Set Master/Slave jumpers of all the drives: in position "Master" if
the drive is connected to the end of the ribbon cable, and in position
"Slave" for the drives connected to the middle of the cable.

2.Switch your computer on, enter BIOS setup, and disable "Virus Warning"
here (the exact name and position of this item depends on the
motherboard).

3. Make sure all the HDDs in BIOS are shown correctly. Set boot sequence
"A: then C:"

4. Exit BIOS setup with saving settings, boot from the standard
Windows-98 Startup Disk (diskette) -- with or without CD-ROM support,
and partition HDD using Fdisk. If you have not replaced an old Fdisk
with the new one before,
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263044
-- you can use the old Fdisk still: don't pay attention to the sizes it
shows, and partition the drive not in gigabytes, but in percents (say,
25% for primary partition, 100% of the rest -- for extended partition,
and 100% of the extended partition -- for the second logical drive).

5. Restart, boot from the standard Windows Startup Disk (diskette)
again, with CD-ROM support, and run:

format c:

When formatting is finished -- format the other(s) drive(s):

format d:

etc.

(Formatting of such big logical drives can take tens minutes).

6. Run Win98 installation from CDROM.

--
Mikhail Zhilin
http://www.aha.ru/~mwz
Sorry, no technical support by e-mail.
Please reply to the newsgroups only.
======
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:42:06 GMT, "jg" <jg87@(nospan)verizon.net> wrote:

>My System:
>Tyan S2080 Tomcat 1815T
>Intel PIII 1Gz
>Antec 350w
>Plextor CD/RW
>Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100 HD
>Western Digital 20.GB 7200 ata100 HD
>ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128 PRO AGP 32MEG
>SOUND BLASTER LIVE! VALUE
>Win98se
>
>I installed the above new mobo, cpu and psu. After initial setup, the BIOS
>recognized all my drives and the cpu. I got no error beeps.
>When trying to start up, I got a black screen with the text: can not read
>drive C.
>Drive C, as seen by my bios, is my master drive WD20gig.
>Not knowing what else to do, I proceded to do a format and clean instal of
>win98 using the procedure I have successfully done before from the Microsoft
>Knowlege Base.
>After running fdisk and deleting and creating an active primary dos
>partition. I inserted my Win98CD as per instructions. The windows scandisk
>gave me the following message:
>
>ScanDisk cannot read from the last cluster on drive C. This clsuster is
>eather damaged, or your system is not condigured properly. Crive C may need
>to have Logical Block Addressing (LBA) enabled to work pproperly. or its
>disk partition ay be incorrectly marked as a non-LBA partition. Data loss
>can occur if your LBA setting or disk partition type for this drive is
>misconfigured.
>Check your computer's BIOS setup utility, or contact your computer
>manufacturer, or have your computer checked by a qualified computer hardware
>technician.
>If you ar sure your drive is configured correctly, click Continue to have
>ScanDisk check drive C for errors.
>
> I checked the BIOS to make sure LBA was enabled.The BIOS choices are "auto"
>and "disable". "Auto" says it means enabled, and this is what was already
>set.
>I figured that my harddrive was bad, so I purchased a new Maxtor 80gig
>ATA133.
>I switched out my WD for the Maxtor, and my BIOS recognized it. I used the
>Maxtor software to creat 2 partitions. 1-20gig 2-60gig. Per the Maxtor
>instructions, I procceded to install win98. I got the same ScanDisk message
>as above.
>I decided to start over using fdisk on the Maxtor.
>I started to delete partitions and reformat using fdisk insead of the Maxtor
>program and fdisk saw a total size of 12624mg rather than the actural size
>of 80000mg.
>This is where I'm at at the moment. What shall I do next?
>
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Anonymous
March 12, 2005 7:10:22 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

See below for reply:
"jg" <jg87@(nospan)verizon.net> wrote in message
news:o LkYd.100$qN3.80@trndny01...
> My System:
> Tyan S2080 Tomcat 1815T
> Intel PIII 1Gz
> Antec 350w
> Plextor CD/RW
> Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100 HD
> Western Digital 20.GB 7200 ata100 HD
> ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128 PRO AGP 32MEG
> SOUND BLASTER LIVE! VALUE
> Win98se
>
> I installed the above new mobo, cpu and psu. After initial setup, the BIOS
> recognized all my drives and the cpu. I got no error beeps.
> When trying to start up, I got a black screen with the text: can not read
> drive C.
> Drive C, as seen by my bios, is my master drive WD20gig.
> Not knowing what else to do, I proceded to do a format and clean instal of
> win98 using the procedure I have successfully done before from the
Microsoft
> Knowlege Base.
> After running fdisk and deleting and creating an active primary dos
> partition. I inserted my Win98CD as per instructions. The windows scandisk
> gave me the following message:
>
> ScanDisk cannot read from the last cluster on drive C. This clsuster is
> eather damaged, or your system is not condigured properly. Crive C may
need
> to have Logical Block Addressing (LBA) enabled to work pproperly. or its
> disk partition ay be incorrectly marked as a non-LBA partition. Data loss
> can occur if your LBA setting or disk partition type for this drive is
> misconfigured.
> Check your computer's BIOS setup utility, or contact your computer
> manufacturer, or have your computer checked by a qualified computer
hardware
> technician.
> If you ar sure your drive is configured correctly, click Continue to have
> ScanDisk check drive C for errors.
>
> I checked the BIOS to make sure LBA was enabled.The BIOS choices are
"auto"
> and "disable". "Auto" says it means enabled, and this is what was already
> set.
> I figured that my harddrive was bad, so I purchased a new Maxtor 80gig
> ATA133.
> I switched out my WD for the Maxtor, and my BIOS recognized it. I used the
> Maxtor software to creat 2 partitions. 1-20gig 2-60gig. Per the Maxtor
> instructions, I procceded to install win98. I got the same ScanDisk
message
> as above.
> I decided to start over using fdisk on the Maxtor.
> I started to delete partitions and reformat using fdisk insead of the
Maxtor
> program and fdisk saw a total size of 12624mg rather than the actural
size
> of 80000mg.

12GB seen is normal. Its the remainder, after 64GB, when formatted. Its an
fdisk problem. Use the Maxtor formatting software instead.

> This is where I'm at at the moment. What shall I do next?
>
>

The problem appears consistent by failing to read the last cluster on both
hard drives. Start fresh. Be sure you're using 80 wire ide ribbon cables,
18" in length and are firmly seats on both ends. Reseat your memory
modules. Check the memory timing in the bios. Irregardless, reset the
cmos, see the TomCat manual for this. Be sure the cmos battery is up to
voltage with a multimeter. Be sure the jumpers are configured correctly on
the HDs. For now, physically remove the sound card. Check the CHS and
landing zone requirements for the Maxtor drive at the Maxtor site, and input
manually. Yes, you want LBA. For now, turn PNP OS off in the bios by
indicating "N". Physically remove the "Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100
HD" out of the system for now.

If scandisk problem continues, run setup without scandisk. Input "setup /?"
for instructions on how to do this. If you're able to install a
non-protesting windows, and have imaging software. Image the installation
to the alternate partition for safekeeping. Don't do anything else until
you do this, it will save you much time if you have to install again.

Consider running one primary, active partition, 20GB. Make the remainder an
extended partition with one logical partition. And dont expect the
remainder to be 60GB, it will be less due to partitioning and formatting
overhead requirements.

There may be nothing physically wrong with the "Western Digital 20.GB 7200
ata100 HD".
March 13, 2005 3:55:54 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:exBqBvuJFHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> See below for reply:
> "jg" <jg87@(nospan)verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:o LkYd.100$qN3.80@trndny01...
> > My System:
> > Tyan S2080 Tomcat 1815T
> > Intel PIII 1Gz
> > Antec 350w
> > Plextor CD/RW
> > Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100 HD
> > Western Digital 20.GB 7200 ata100 HD
> > ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128 PRO AGP 32MEG
> > SOUND BLASTER LIVE! VALUE
> > Win98se
> >
> > I installed the above new mobo, cpu and psu. After initial setup, the
BIOS
> > recognized all my drives and the cpu. I got no error beeps.
> > When trying to start up, I got a black screen with the text: can not
read
> > drive C.
> > Drive C, as seen by my bios, is my master drive WD20gig.
> > Not knowing what else to do, I proceded to do a format and clean instal
of
> > win98 using the procedure I have successfully done before from the
> Microsoft
> > Knowlege Base.
> > After running fdisk and deleting and creating an active primary dos
> > partition. I inserted my Win98CD as per instructions. The windows
scandisk
> > gave me the following message:
> >
> > ScanDisk cannot read from the last cluster on drive C. This clsuster is
> > eather damaged, or your system is not condigured properly. Crive C may
> need
> > to have Logical Block Addressing (LBA) enabled to work pproperly. or its
> > disk partition ay be incorrectly marked as a non-LBA partition. Data
loss
> > can occur if your LBA setting or disk partition type for this drive is
> > misconfigured.
> > Check your computer's BIOS setup utility, or contact your computer
> > manufacturer, or have your computer checked by a qualified computer
> hardware
> > technician.
> > If you ar sure your drive is configured correctly, click Continue to
have
> > ScanDisk check drive C for errors.
> >
> > I checked the BIOS to make sure LBA was enabled.The BIOS choices are
> "auto"
> > and "disable". "Auto" says it means enabled, and this is what was
already
> > set.
> > I figured that my harddrive was bad, so I purchased a new Maxtor 80gig
> > ATA133.
> > I switched out my WD for the Maxtor, and my BIOS recognized it. I used
the
> > Maxtor software to creat 2 partitions. 1-20gig 2-60gig. Per the Maxtor
> > instructions, I procceded to install win98. I got the same ScanDisk
> message
> > as above.
> > I decided to start over using fdisk on the Maxtor.
> > I started to delete partitions and reformat using fdisk insead of the
> Maxtor
> > program and fdisk saw a total size of 12624mg rather than the actural
> size
> > of 80000mg.
>
> 12GB seen is normal. Its the remainder, after 64GB, when formatted. Its
an
> fdisk problem. Use the Maxtor formatting software instead.
>
> > This is where I'm at at the moment. What shall I do next?
> >
> >
>
> The problem appears consistent by failing to read the last cluster on both
> hard drives. Start fresh. Be sure you're using 80 wire ide ribbon
cables,
> 18" in length and are firmly seats on both ends. Reseat your memory
> modules. Check the memory timing in the bios. Irregardless, reset the
> cmos, see the TomCat manual for this. Be sure the cmos battery is up to
> voltage with a multimeter. Be sure the jumpers are configured correctly
on
> the HDs. For now, physically remove the sound card. Check the CHS and
> landing zone requirements for the Maxtor drive at the Maxtor site, and
input
> manually. Yes, you want LBA. For now, turn PNP OS off in the bios by
> indicating "N". Physically remove the "Western Digital 40.GB 7200 ata100
> HD" out of the system for now.
>
> If scandisk problem continues, run setup without scandisk. Input "setup
/?"
> for instructions on how to do this. If you're able to install a
> non-protesting windows, and have imaging software. Image the installation
> to the alternate partition for safekeeping. Don't do anything else until
> you do this, it will save you much time if you have to install again.
>
> Consider running one primary, active partition, 20GB. Make the remainder
an
> extended partition with one logical partition. And dont expect the
> remainder to be 60GB, it will be less due to partitioning and formatting
> overhead requirements.
>
> There may be nothing physically wrong with the "Western Digital 20.GB 7200
> ata100 HD".
>
>

Thanks for all the input. There was nothing physically wrong with either
drive. I tested both of them in another computer using scandisk.
I did as you suggested and reset the memory and reset cmos. I tried to
install windows using only the WD20 with the same unsuccesful results, so I
wrote Tyan asking for advice and how to get a new momo replacement.
!