Rebooting Win98 after MS Security updates

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were security
related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.

As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour glass.
As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any key
on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)

I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
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More about rebooting win98 security updates
  1. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98 gets to
    the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of death.
    I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state before
    the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each time I
    installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update at
    all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the update was
    run.

    "arun-win98-user" wrote:

    > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were security
    > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    >
    > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour glass.
    > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any key
    > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
    >
    > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
  2. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    arun-win98-user wrote:
    > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were security
    > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    >
    > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour glass.
    > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any key
    > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
    >
    > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated

    as an initial fix you can remove kb891711.exe from the
    windows startup list. You may be able to do a boot either in
    safe mode or by avoiding any startup programs loading by
    holding down the control key during bootup - this will ask
    you to confirm each instruction during bootup - just keep
    saying yes till you are asked about starting kb891711.exe -
    then answer no. Then if you get windows loaded - Start - Run
    - msconfig - startup tab and untick the kb891711.exe entry.
    This is at your own risk.
    Google on kb891711.exe for more info.

    --
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    http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
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  3. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with NTFS on
    two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update because it
    is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people to
    patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
    engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied this
    update.

    "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98 gets
    to
    : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of death.
    : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
    before
    : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each time
    I
    : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update at
    : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the update
    was
    : run.
    :
    : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    :
    : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
    security
    : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    : >
    : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
    glass.
    : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any
    key
    : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
    : >
    : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
  4. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to load. If
    the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it unusable,
    then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The reason
    for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with the
    update, software/hardware or a combination of both.

    It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update but
    others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then it
    should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.

    Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    loading in the startup.

    From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    02/18/05

    Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own folder,
    exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with that.

    --

    Brian A.

    Conflicts start where information lacks.
    http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with NTFS
    > on
    > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update because
    > it
    > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people to
    > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
    > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied
    > this
    > update.
    >
    > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98
    > gets
    > to
    > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of
    > death.
    > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
    > before
    > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each
    > time
    > I
    > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update
    > at
    > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    > update
    > was
    > : run.
    > :
    > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > :
    > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
    > security
    > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    > : >
    > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
    > glass.
    > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch
    > any
    > key
    > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
    > : >
    > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
    retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...

    I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
    Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
    work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
    doing?


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    load. If
    | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    unusable,
    | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    reason
    | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
    the
    | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    |
    | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
    but
    | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
    it
    | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
    |
    | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    | loading in the startup.
    |
    | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    | 02/18/05
    |
    | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
    folder,
    | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    that.
    |
    | --
    |
    | Brian A.
    |
    | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    |
    |
    |
    |
    | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    with NTFS
    | > on
    | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    because
    | > it
    | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    people to
    | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    reverse
    | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    applied
    | > this
    | > update.
    | >
    | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    98
    | > gets
    | > to
    | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    of
    | > death.
    | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    state
    | > before
    | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    Each
    | > time
    | > I
    | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    update
    | > at
    | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    | > update
    | > was
    | > : run.
    | > :
    | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | > :
    | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    were
    | > security
    | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    | > : >
    | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    hour
    | > glass.
    | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    touch
    | > any
    | > key
    | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    button)
    | > : >
    | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    appreciated
    | >
    | >
    |
  6. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Possibly, NetZero may be involved. PCR, didn't you have trouble installing
    other updates some time ago or am I mistaken? Also, have you tried to run
    Mozilla Firefox and see if that browser will run without any trouble?

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
    : retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    :
    : I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
    : Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
    : work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    : killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
    : doing?
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    : load. If
    : | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : unusable,
    : | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    : reason
    : | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
    : the
    : | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : |
    : | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
    : but
    : | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
    : it
    : | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
    : |
    : | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    : | loading in the startup.
    : |
    : | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    : | 02/18/05
    : |
    : | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
    : folder,
    : | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    : that.
    : |
    : | --
    : |
    : | Brian A.
    : |
    : | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    : with NTFS
    : | > on
    : | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    : because
    : | > it
    : | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    : people to
    : | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    : reverse
    : | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    : applied
    : | > this
    : | > update.
    : | >
    : | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    : | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    : 98
    : | > gets
    : | > to
    : | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    : of
    : | > death.
    : | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    : state
    : | > before
    : | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    : Each
    : | > time
    : | > I
    : | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    : update
    : | > at
    : | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    : | > update
    : | > was
    : | > : run.
    : | > :
    : | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : | > :
    : | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    : were
    : | > security
    : | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    : | > : >
    : | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    : hour
    : | > glass.
    : | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    : touch
    : | > any
    : | > key
    : | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    : button)
    : | > : >
    : | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    : appreciated
    : | >
    : | >
    : |
    :
    :
  7. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Had you tested with msconfig yet by disabling Startup items?
    Leave the KB checked to run along with only the necessary items for Windows
    to run and reboot.
    If all works then we know it's not the kb alone and maybe another process.
    Recheck half the items in the Startup group and reboot.
    If all is well, then the answer remains as above. If all goes awry again,
    then we know it's something in the half that was rechecked and you need to
    start unchecking either half of those and rebooting or unchecking one by one
    and rebooting until you find the problem source.

    You know the drill, but until we can find out if there's an app in common
    causing it or not, no one can point a finger.


    --

    Brian A.

    Conflicts start where information lacks.
    http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
    > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    >
    > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
    > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
    > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
    > doing?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > should things get worse after this,
    > PCR
    > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    > load. If
    > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    > unusable,
    > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    > reason
    > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
    > the
    > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    > |
    > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
    > but
    > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
    > it
    > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
    > |
    > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    > | loading in the startup.
    > |
    > | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    > | 02/18/05
    > |
    > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
    > folder,
    > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    > that.
    > |
    > | --
    > |
    > | Brian A.
    > |
    > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    > with NTFS
    > | > on
    > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    > because
    > | > it
    > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    > people to
    > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    > reverse
    > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    > applied
    > | > this
    > | > update.
    > | >
    > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    > 98
    > | > gets
    > | > to
    > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    > of
    > | > death.
    > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    > state
    > | > before
    > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    > Each
    > | > time
    > | > I
    > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    > update
    > | > at
    > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    > | > update
    > | > was
    > | > : run.
    > | > :
    > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > | > :
    > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    > were
    > | > security
    > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    > | > : >
    > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    > hour
    > | > glass.
    > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    > touch
    > | > any
    > | > key
    > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    > button)
    > | > : >
    > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    > appreciated
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    >
    >
  8. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and install
    Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do solely
    with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla Firefox
    to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download it.
    Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet other than
    NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?

    "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    news:efsV2LtJFHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : Had you tested with msconfig yet by disabling Startup items?
    : Leave the KB checked to run along with only the necessary items for Windows
    : to run and reboot.
    : If all works then we know it's not the kb alone and maybe another process.
    : Recheck half the items in the Startup group and reboot.
    : If all is well, then the answer remains as above. If all goes awry again,
    : then we know it's something in the half that was rechecked and you need to
    : start unchecking either half of those and rebooting or unchecking one by
    one
    : and rebooting until you find the problem source.
    :
    : You know the drill, but until we can find out if there's an app in common
    : causing it or not, no one can point a finger.
    :
    :
    :
    : --
    :
    : Brian A.
    :
    : Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    :
    :
    :
    :
    : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
    : > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : >
    : > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
    : > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
    : > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    : > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
    : > doing?
    : >
    : >
    : > --
    : > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : > should things get worse after this,
    : > PCR
    : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    : > load. If
    : > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : > unusable,
    : > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    : > reason
    : > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
    : > the
    : > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : > |
    : > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
    : > but
    : > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
    : > it
    : > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
    : > |
    : > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    : > | loading in the startup.
    : > |
    : > | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    : > | 02/18/05
    : > |
    : > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
    : > folder,
    : > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    : > that.
    : > |
    : > | --
    : > |
    : > | Brian A.
    : > |
    : > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : > |
    : > |
    : > |
    : > |
    : > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    : > with NTFS
    : > | > on
    : > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    : > because
    : > | > it
    : > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    : > people to
    : > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    : > reverse
    : > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    : > applied
    : > | > this
    : > | > update.
    : > | >
    : > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    : > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    : > 98
    : > | > gets
    : > | > to
    : > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    : > of
    : > | > death.
    : > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    : > state
    : > | > before
    : > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    : > Each
    : > | > time
    : > | > I
    : > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    : > update
    : > | > at
    : > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    : > | > update
    : > | > was
    : > | > : run.
    : > | > :
    : > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : > | > :
    : > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    : > were
    : > | > security
    : > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    : > | > : >
    : > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    : > hour
    : > | > glass.
    : > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    : > touch
    : > | > any
    : > | > key
    : > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    : > button)
    : > | > : >
    : > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    : > appreciated
    : > | >
    : > | >
    : > |
    : >
    : >
    :
  9. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    There are other apps that activate after I've gone online, like certain
    McAfee tentacles & Rnaapp.exe. Also, some of them already activated may
    want to do more after detecting a connection. No, haven't any other
    browser.


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:u2PCoFtJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | Possibly, NetZero may be involved. PCR, didn't you have trouble
    installing
    | other updates some time ago or am I mistaken? Also, have you tried to
    run
    | Mozilla Firefox and see if that browser will run without any trouble?
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | : I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
    in
    | : retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    | :
    | : I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    online.
    | : Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    will
    | : work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    | : killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
    is
    | : doing?
    | :
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    | : news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | : | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    | : load. If
    | : | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    | : unusable,
    | : | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    | : reason
    | : | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
    with
    | : the
    | : | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    | : |
    | : | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    update
    | : but
    | : | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    then
    | : it
    | : | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    found.
    | : |
    | : | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
    from
    | : | loading in the startup.
    | : |
    | : | From what I see the update creates a folder
    C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    | : | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    dated
    | : | 02/18/05
    | : |
    | : | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    own
    | : folder,
    | : | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    | : that.
    | : |
    | : | --
    | : |
    | : | Brian A.
    | : |
    | : | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    | : | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    | : |
    | : |
    | : |
    | : |
    | : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | : | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | : | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    | : with NTFS
    | : | > on
    | : | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    update
    | : because
    | : | > it
    | : | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    | : people to
    | : | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
    to
    | : reverse
    | : | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    | : applied
    | : | > this
    | : | > update.
    | : | >
    | : | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    | : | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | : | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    Windows
    | : 98
    | : | > gets
    | : | > to
    | : | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    screen
    | : of
    | : | > death.
    | : | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    earlier
    | : state
    | : | > before
    | : | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    fine.
    | : Each
    | : | > time
    | : | > I
    | : | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
    the
    | : update
    | : | > at
    | : | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
    the
    | : | > update
    | : | > was
    | : | > : run.
    | : | > :
    | : | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | : | > :
    | : | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    | : were
    | : | > security
    | : | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
    is.
    | : | > : >
    | : | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
    the
    | : hour
    | : | > glass.
    | : | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
    if I
    | : touch
    | : | > any
    | : | > key
    | : | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    | : button)
    | : | > : >
    | : | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    | : appreciated
    | : | >
    | : | >
    | : |
    | :
    | :
    |
    |
  10. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and install
    > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do solely
    > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
    Firefox
    > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download it.
    > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet other
    than
    > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
    >
    I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
    though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF goes to a
    blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98 terminates
    FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option. If this
    vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet, then
    it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks that
    using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
  11. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash each time I
    load it. I get a BSOD upon booting up after the login screen. Thus I can't
    troubleshoot anything in 98 as it renders mine unable to load. I have now
    restored from an image file 4 times. Is there any way to disable this
    critical update on Windows Update?

    "Dan" wrote:

    > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with NTFS on
    > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update because it
    > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people to
    > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
    > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied this
    > update.
    >
    > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98 gets
    > to
    > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of death.
    > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
    > before
    > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each time
    > I
    > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update at
    > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the update
    > was
    > : run.
    > :
    > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > :
    > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
    > security
    > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    > : >
    > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
    > glass.
    > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any
    > key
    > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
    > : >
    > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
    >
    >
    >
  12. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
    Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I closed IE
    and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching &
    reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.

    I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet dial-up,
    but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing ctl/alt/del,
    and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a scanreg
    /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
    others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!

    So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the background
    only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I did
    finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I had
    no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to get
    it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.

    Star

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
    > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    >
    > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
    > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
    > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
    > doing?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > should things get worse after this,
    > PCR
    > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    > load. If
    > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    > unusable,
    > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    > reason
    > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
    > the
    > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    > |
    > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
    > but
    > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
    > it
    > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
    > |
    > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    > | loading in the startup.
    > |
    > | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    > | 02/18/05
    > |
    > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
    > folder,
    > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    > that.
    > |
    > | --
    > |
    > | Brian A.
    > |
    > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    > with NTFS
    > | > on
    > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    > because
    > | > it
    > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    > people to
    > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    > reverse
    > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    > applied
    > | > this
    > | > update.
    > | >
    > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    > 98
    > | > gets
    > | > to
    > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    > of
    > | > death.
    > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    > state
    > | > before
    > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    > Each
    > | > time
    > | > I
    > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    > update
    > | > at
    > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    > | > update
    > | > was
    > | > : run.
    > | > :
    > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > | > :
    > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    > were
    > | > security
    > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    > | > : >
    > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    > hour
    > | > glass.
    > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    > touch
    > | > any
    > | > key
    > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    > button)
    > | > : >
    > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    > appreciated
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    >
    >
  13. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Jimmost wrote:
    >
    > I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash
    > each time I load it.
    > Is there any way to disable this critical update on Windows
    > Update?

    When your system is starting, press the F8 key repeatedly when you see
    your bios messages appear on the screen. This will let you see the
    boot menu.

    What you want is to start the system with the command (DOS) prompt.

    That should get you a "C:\" prompt (or c:\windows prompt).

    At the prompt, change to the directory c:\windows\system\kb891711

    There is a file there called kb891711.exe

    Rename it to something like kb891711.ex_

    The re-start your system. Windows will then not be able to load that
    file at startup.

    Otherwise, if your computer still doesn't work, then start it in safe
    mode and un-install the recent security updates.
  14. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox. The
    problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it. My
    experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one. Pressing
    any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
    Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even IE
    will work from TIFs.

    JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is made...

    "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."

    I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having never
    seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can cause
    it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
    news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
    |
    | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
    install
    | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do
    solely
    | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
    | Firefox
    | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download
    it.
    | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet
    other
    | than
    | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
    | >
    | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
    | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
    goes to a
    | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
    terminates
    | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option.
    If this
    | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet,
    then
    | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks
    that
    | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
    |
    |
    |
  15. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Well now that a patch has been released, bad people will reverse engineer
    that patch and will be able to target machines that are not updated that have
    Internet access.

    "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
    news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
    :
    : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and install
    : > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do
    solely
    : > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
    : Firefox
    : > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download it.
    : > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet other
    : than
    : > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
    : >
    : I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
    : though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF goes to
    a
    : blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
    terminates
    : FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option. If
    this
    : vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet, then
    : it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks that
    : using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
    :
    :
    :
  16. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    It sounds like it may be associated with your hardware. PCR would you be
    willing to post your hardware here so we can try and help you. Thanks in
    advance, Dan W.

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:%239lrInzJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox. The
    : problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it. My
    : experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one. Pressing
    : any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
    : Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even IE
    : will work from TIFs.
    :
    : JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is made...
    :
    : "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
    :
    : I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having never
    : seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can cause
    : it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
    : news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
    : |
    : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
    : install
    : | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do
    : solely
    : | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
    : | Firefox
    : | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download
    : it.
    : | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet
    : other
    : | than
    : | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
    : | >
    : | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
    : | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
    : goes to a
    : | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
    : terminates
    : | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option.
    : If this
    : | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet,
    : then
    : | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks
    : that
    : | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
    : |
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  17. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Information is limited on this patch and given on a need to know basis, Star
    for reasons of security.

    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
    : Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I closed IE
    : and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching &
    : reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    :
    : I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet dial-up,
    : but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing ctl/alt/del,
    : and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
    scanreg
    : /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
    : others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    :
    : So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the background
    : only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I did
    : finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I had
    : no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to get
    : it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    :
    : Star
    :
    : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
    : > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : >
    : > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
    : > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
    : > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    : > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
    : > doing?
    : >
    : >
    : > --
    : > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : > should things get worse after this,
    : > PCR
    : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    : > load. If
    : > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : > unusable,
    : > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    : > reason
    : > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
    : > the
    : > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : > |
    : > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
    : > but
    : > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
    : > it
    : > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
    : > |
    : > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
    : > | loading in the startup.
    : > |
    : > | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
    : > | 02/18/05
    : > |
    : > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
    : > folder,
    : > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    : > that.
    : > |
    : > | --
    : > |
    : > | Brian A.
    : > |
    : > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : > |
    : > |
    : > |
    : > |
    : > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    : > with NTFS
    : > | > on
    : > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    : > because
    : > | > it
    : > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    : > people to
    : > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    : > reverse
    : > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    : > applied
    : > | > this
    : > | > update.
    : > | >
    : > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    : > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    : > 98
    : > | > gets
    : > | > to
    : > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    : > of
    : > | > death.
    : > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    : > state
    : > | > before
    : > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    : > Each
    : > | > time
    : > | > I
    : > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    : > update
    : > | > at
    : > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    : > | > update
    : > | > was
    : > | > : run.
    : > | > :
    : > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : > | > :
    : > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    : > were
    : > | > security
    : > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    : > | > : >
    : > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    : > hour
    : > | > glass.
    : > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    : > touch
    : > | > any
    : > | > key
    : > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    : > button)
    : > | > : >
    : > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    : > appreciated
    : > | >
    : > | >
    : > |
    : >
    : >
    :
    :
  18. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    You need to find out the programs that are causing problems and if you have
    associated baddies on your machine and or flawed hardware.

    "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:A4EDFD01-6867-4A02-9392-4ABD2B1E370A@microsoft.com...
    : I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash each time I
    : load it. I get a BSOD upon booting up after the login screen. Thus I
    can't
    : troubleshoot anything in 98 as it renders mine unable to load. I have now
    : restored from an image file 4 times. Is there any way to disable this
    : critical update on Windows Update?
    :
    : "Dan" wrote:
    :
    : > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with
    NTFS on
    : > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    because it
    : > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people
    to
    : > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
    : > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied
    this
    : > update.
    : >
    : > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    : > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98
    gets
    : > to
    : > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of
    death.
    : > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
    : > before
    : > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each
    time
    : > I
    : > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    update at
    : > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    update
    : > was
    : > : run.
    : > :
    : > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : > :
    : > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
    : > security
    : > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    : > : >
    : > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
    : > glass.
    : > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch
    any
    : > key
    : > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
    : > : >
    : > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    appreciated
    : >
    : >
    : >
  19. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    .......Quote.........
    Caveats: None
    .......EOQ...........

    BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
    to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
    like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
    your post's Properties & mine...

    X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441

    ....I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
    is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
    | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    closed IE
    | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
    &
    | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    |
    | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    dial-up,
    | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    ctl/alt/del,
    | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
    scanreg
    | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
    | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    |
    | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    background
    | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
    did
    | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
    had
    | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
    get
    | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    |
    | Star
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
    in
    | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    | >
    | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    online.
    | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    will
    | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
    is
    | > doing?
    | >
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    | > load. If
    | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    | > unusable,
    | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    | > reason
    | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
    with
    | > the
    | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    | > |
    | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    update
    | > but
    | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    then
    | > it
    | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    found.
    | > |
    | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
    from
    | > | loading in the startup.
    | > |
    | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    dated
    | > | 02/18/05
    | > |
    | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    own
    | > folder,
    | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    | > that.
    | > |
    | > | --
    | > |
    | > | Brian A.
    | > |
    | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    | > |
    | > |
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    | > with NTFS
    | > | > on
    | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    update
    | > because
    | > | > it
    | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    | > people to
    | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
    to
    | > reverse
    | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    | > applied
    | > | > this
    | > | > update.
    | > | >
    | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    Windows
    | > 98
    | > | > gets
    | > | > to
    | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    screen
    | > of
    | > | > death.
    | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    earlier
    | > state
    | > | > before
    | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    fine.
    | > Each
    | > | > time
    | > | > I
    | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
    the
    | > update
    | > | > at
    | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
    the
    | > | > update
    | > | > was
    | > | > : run.
    | > | > :
    | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | > | > :
    | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    | > were
    | > | > security
    | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
    is.
    | > | > : >
    | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
    the
    | > hour
    | > | > glass.
    | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
    if I
    | > touch
    | > | > any
    | > | > key
    | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    | > button)
    | > | > : >
    | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    | > appreciated
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
  20. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    PCR,
    I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up. Mine,
    was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!! However, IE
    worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I have
    created. And, OE worked fine too.

    I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it after
    reading and then reading here in the the group!!

    **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a dial-up
    environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system, plus
    my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up and
    running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!

    Star

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    > ......Quote.........
    > Caveats: None
    > ......EOQ...........
    >
    > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
    > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
    > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
    > your post's Properties & mine...
    >
    > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    >
    > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
    > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > should things get worse after this,
    > PCR
    > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
    > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    > closed IE
    > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
    > &
    > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    > |
    > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    > dial-up,
    > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    > ctl/alt/del,
    > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
    > scanreg
    > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
    > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    > |
    > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    > background
    > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
    > did
    > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
    > had
    > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
    > get
    > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    > |
    > | Star
    > |
    > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
    > in
    > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    > | >
    > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    > online.
    > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    > will
    > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
    > is
    > | > doing?
    > | >
    > | >
    > | > --
    > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | > should things get worse after this,
    > | > PCR
    > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    > | > load. If
    > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    > | > unusable,
    > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    > | > reason
    > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
    > with
    > | > the
    > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    > | > |
    > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    > update
    > | > but
    > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    > then
    > | > it
    > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    > found.
    > | > |
    > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
    > from
    > | > | loading in the startup.
    > | > |
    > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    > dated
    > | > | 02/18/05
    > | > |
    > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    > own
    > | > folder,
    > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    > | > that.
    > | > |
    > | > | --
    > | > |
    > | > | Brian A.
    > | > |
    > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    > | > with NTFS
    > | > | > on
    > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    > update
    > | > because
    > | > | > it
    > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    > | > people to
    > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
    > to
    > | > reverse
    > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    > | > applied
    > | > | > this
    > | > | > update.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    > Windows
    > | > 98
    > | > | > gets
    > | > | > to
    > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    > screen
    > | > of
    > | > | > death.
    > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    > earlier
    > | > state
    > | > | > before
    > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    > fine.
    > | > Each
    > | > | > time
    > | > | > I
    > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
    > the
    > | > update
    > | > | > at
    > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
    > the
    > | > | > update
    > | > | > was
    > | > | > : run.
    > | > | > :
    > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > | > | > :
    > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    > | > were
    > | > | > security
    > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
    > is.
    > | > | > : >
    > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
    > the
    > | > hour
    > | > | > glass.
    > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
    > if I
    > | > touch
    > | > | > any
    > | > | > key
    > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    > | > button)
    > | > | > : >
    > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    > | > appreciated
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > |
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    > |
    >
    >
  21. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    (1) Boot to Safe Mode (hold F5 or CTRL as you boot).
    (2) "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab".
    (3) Uncheck "KB891711" in the Startup tab.
    (4) Reboot to Normal Mode.

    Probably something else in the Startup Group is trying to access the NET
    as you boot & open IE or another browser. That is why you can't even
    boot.


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:A4EDFD01-6867-4A02-9392-4ABD2B1E370A@microsoft.com...
    | I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash each
    time I
    | load it. I get a BSOD upon booting up after the login screen. Thus I
    can't
    | troubleshoot anything in 98 as it renders mine unable to load. I have
    now
    | restored from an image file 4 times. Is there any way to disable this
    | critical update on Windows Update?
    |
    | "Dan" wrote:
    |
    | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    with NTFS on
    | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
    because it
    | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    people to
    | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
    reverse
    | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    applied this
    | > update.
    | >
    | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
    98 gets
    | > to
    | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
    of death.
    | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
    state
    | > before
    | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
    Each time
    | > I
    | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
    update at
    | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
    update
    | > was
    | > : run.
    | > :
    | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | > :
    | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    were
    | > security
    | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
    | > : >
    | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
    hour
    | > glass.
    | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
    touch any
    | > key
    | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    button)
    | > : >
    | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    appreciated
    | >
    | >
    | >
  22. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Dan wrote:

    > Information is limited on this patch and given on a need to know
    > basis, Star for reasons of security.

    I believe the links on this page are examples of code designed to
    exploit this vulnerability:

    http://www.xfocus.net/flashsky/icoExp/index.html

    This link seems to give very detailed info about the vulnerability:

    http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=110382891718076&w=2

    Both of those come from here:

    http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-1049
  23. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    No. You can't see my hardware!

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:O57ZKi1JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    | It sounds like it may be associated with your hardware. PCR would you
    be
    | willing to post your hardware here so we can try and help you. Thanks
    in
    | advance, Dan W.
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:%239lrInzJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | : I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox.
    The
    | : problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it.
    My
    | : experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one.
    Pressing
    | : any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
    | : Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even
    IE
    | : will work from TIFs.
    | :
    | : JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is
    made...
    | :
    | : "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
    | :
    | : I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having
    never
    | : seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can
    cause
    | : it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!
    | :
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
    | : news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
    | : |
    | : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | : | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | : | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
    | : install
    | : | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to
    do
    | : solely
    | : | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn
    Mozilla
    | : | Firefox
    | : | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to
    download
    | : it.
    | : | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the
    Internet
    | : other
    | : | than
    | : | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
    | : | >
    | : | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my
    laptop
    | : | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
    | : goes to a
    | : | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
    | : terminates
    | : | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software
    option.
    | : If this
    | : | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited
    yet,
    | : then
    | : | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse
    risks
    | : that
    | : | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
    | : |
    | : |
    | : |
    | :
    | :
    |
    |
  24. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    PCR wrote:
    > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    > ......Quote.........
    > Caveats: None
    > ......EOQ...........
    >
    > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped!

    Nope, I'm sure.

    > In fact, it could easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it
    makes that
    > vulnerability sound.

    Nope. I'm with Elliot Ness - so it can't touch me.

    > (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.)

    None of them are "needed", per se.

    >We would have had to wait a bit...

    Yup. Like.....how does an eternity sound to ya? (Sounds good to me).

    > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
    > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.

    I'm fine, thank you. But you have my condolences, however.
  25. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all dial-up's
    suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not running
    until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all dial-up's
    aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.

    I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for interfering!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    | PCR,
    | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
    Mine,
    | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    However, IE
    | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
    have
    | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    |
    | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    after
    | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    |
    | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    dial-up
    | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    system, plus
    | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
    and
    | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    |
    | Star
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    ..docs...
    | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    | > ......Quote.........
    | > Caveats: None
    | > ......EOQ...........
    | >
    | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    [KB891711]
    | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
    bit,
    | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    Sounds
    | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking
    at
    | > your post's Properties & mine...
    | >
    | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    | >
    | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
    So
    | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    | >
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
    it's
    | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    | > closed IE
    | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    seaching
    | > &
    | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    | > |
    | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    | > dial-up,
    | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    | > ctl/alt/del,
    | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
    a
    | > scanreg
    | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    searchs...
    | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    | > |
    | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    | > background
    | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
    I
    | > did
    | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
    and I
    | > had
    | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
    to
    | > get
    | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    | > |
    | > | Star
    | > |
    | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    KB891711.exe
    | > in
    | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    | > | >
    | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    | > online.
    | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    URLs
    | > will
    | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
    after
    | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    NetZero
    | > is
    | > | > doing?
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | > --
    | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > | > should things get worse after this,
    | > | > PCR
    | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
    to
    | > | > load. If
    | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    | > | > unusable,
    | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
    The
    | > | > reason
    | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
    issue
    | > with
    | > | > the
    | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    | > update
    | > | > but
    | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with
    it,
    | > then
    | > | > it
    | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    | > found.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
    CU
    | > from
    | > | > | loading in the startup.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    | > dated
    | > | > | 02/18/05
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    it's
    | > own
    | > | > folder,
    | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
    with
    | > | > that.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | --
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Brian A.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    | > | > |
    | > | > |
    | > | > |
    | > | > |
    | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
    XPPRO
    | > | > with NTFS
    | > | > | > on
    | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    | > update
    | > | > because
    | > | > | > it
    | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    computer
    | > | > people to
    | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
    able
    | > to
    | > | > reverse
    | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
    not
    | > | > applied
    | > | > | > this
    | > | > | > update.
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    message
    | > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    | > Windows
    | > | > 98
    | > | > | > gets
    | > | > | > to
    | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    | > screen
    | > | > of
    | > | > | > death.
    | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    | > earlier
    | > | > state
    | > | > | > before
    | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    | > fine.
    | > | > Each
    | > | > | > time
    | > | > | > I
    | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    Aviod
    | > the
    | > | > update
    | > | > | > at
    | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
    before
    | > the
    | > | > | > update
    | > | > | > was
    | > | > | > : run.
    | > | > | > :
    | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | > | > | > :
    | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
    (they
    | > | > were
    | > | > | > security
    | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    here it
    | > is.
    | > | > | > : >
    | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
    and
    | > the
    | > | > hour
    | > | > | > glass.
    | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
    and
    | > if I
    | > | > touch
    | > | > | > any
    | > | > | > key
    | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
    reset
    | > | > button)
    | > | > | > : >
    | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    greatly
    | > | > appreciated
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | >
    | > | > |
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
  26. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Well suite yourself, then.

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:ubUo1y1JFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    : No. You can't see my hardware!
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : news:O57ZKi1JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    : | It sounds like it may be associated with your hardware. PCR would you
    : be
    : | willing to post your hardware here so we can try and help you. Thanks
    : in
    : | advance, Dan W.
    : |
    : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | news:%239lrInzJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : | : I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox.
    : The
    : | : problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it.
    : My
    : | : experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one.
    : Pressing
    : | : any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
    : | : Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even
    : IE
    : | : will work from TIFs.
    : | :
    : | : JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is
    : made...
    : | :
    : | : "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
    : | :
    : | : I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having
    : never
    : | : seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can
    : cause
    : | : it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!
    : | :
    : | :
    : | : --
    : | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | : should things get worse after this,
    : | : PCR
    : | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | : "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
    : | : news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
    : | : |
    : | : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | : | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | : | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
    : | : install
    : | : | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to
    : do
    : | : solely
    : | : | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn
    : Mozilla
    : | : | Firefox
    : | : | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to
    : download
    : | : it.
    : | : | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the
    : Internet
    : | : other
    : | : | than
    : | : | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
    : | : | >
    : | : | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my
    : laptop
    : | : | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
    : | : goes to a
    : | : | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
    : | : terminates
    : | : | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software
    : option.
    : | : If this
    : | : | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited
    : yet,
    : | : then
    : | : | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse
    : risks
    : | : that
    : | : | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
    : | : |
    : | : |
    : | : |
    : | :
    : | :
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  27. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be needed for
    Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to April issue
    of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x operating
    system.

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : ......Quote.........
    : Caveats: None
    : ......EOQ...........
    :
    : BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    : easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    : vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    : mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
    : to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
    : like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
    : your post's Properties & mine...
    :
    : X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    : X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    :
    : ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
    : is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
    : | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    : closed IE
    : | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
    : &
    : | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    : |
    : | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    : dial-up,
    : | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    : ctl/alt/del,
    : | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
    : scanreg
    : | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
    : | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    : |
    : | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    : background
    : | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
    : did
    : | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
    : had
    : | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
    : get
    : | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    : |
    : | Star
    : |
    : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
    : in
    : | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : | >
    : | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    : online.
    : | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    : will
    : | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    : | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
    : is
    : | > doing?
    : | >
    : | >
    : | > --
    : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | > should things get worse after this,
    : | > PCR
    : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    : | > load. If
    : | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : | > unusable,
    : | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    : | > reason
    : | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
    : with
    : | > the
    : | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : | > |
    : | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    : update
    : | > but
    : | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    : then
    : | > it
    : | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    : found.
    : | > |
    : | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
    : from
    : | > | loading in the startup.
    : | > |
    : | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    : C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    : dated
    : | > | 02/18/05
    : | > |
    : | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    : own
    : | > folder,
    : | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    : | > that.
    : | > |
    : | > | --
    : | > |
    : | > | Brian A.
    : | > |
    : | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : | > |
    : | > |
    : | > |
    : | > |
    : | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    : | > with NTFS
    : | > | > on
    : | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    : update
    : | > because
    : | > | > it
    : | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    : | > people to
    : | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
    : to
    : | > reverse
    : | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    : | > applied
    : | > | > this
    : | > | > update.
    : | > | >
    : | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    : | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    : Windows
    : | > 98
    : | > | > gets
    : | > | > to
    : | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    : screen
    : | > of
    : | > | > death.
    : | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    : earlier
    : | > state
    : | > | > before
    : | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    : fine.
    : | > Each
    : | > | > time
    : | > | > I
    : | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
    : the
    : | > update
    : | > | > at
    : | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
    : the
    : | > | > update
    : | > | > was
    : | > | > : run.
    : | > | > :
    : | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : | > | > :
    : | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    : | > were
    : | > | > security
    : | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
    : is.
    : | > | > : >
    : | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
    : the
    : | > hour
    : | > | > glass.
    : | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
    : if I
    : | > touch
    : | > | > any
    : | > | > key
    : | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    : | > button)
    : | > | > : >
    : | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    : | > appreciated
    : | > | >
    : | > | >
    : | > |
    : | >
    : | >
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  28. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Sure Microsoft made a goof but we all should be happy that it was released.

    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    : PCR,
    : I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up. Mine,
    : was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!! However,
    IE
    : worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I have
    : created. And, OE worked fine too.
    :
    : I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    : group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it after
    : reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    :
    : **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a dial-up
    : environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system,
    plus
    : my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up and
    : running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    :
    : Star
    :
    : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    : > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : > ......Quote.........
    : > Caveats: None
    : > ......EOQ...........
    : >
    : > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    : > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    : > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    : > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
    : > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
    : > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
    : > your post's Properties & mine...
    : >
    : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    : >
    : > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
    : > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    : >
    : >
    : > --
    : > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : > should things get worse after this,
    : > PCR
    : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
    : > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    : > closed IE
    : > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
    : > &
    : > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    : > |
    : > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    : > dial-up,
    : > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    : > ctl/alt/del,
    : > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
    : > scanreg
    : > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
    : > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    : > |
    : > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    : > background
    : > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
    : > did
    : > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
    : > had
    : > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
    : > get
    : > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    : > |
    : > | Star
    : > |
    : > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
    : > in
    : > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : > | >
    : > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    : > online.
    : > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    : > will
    : > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
    : > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
    : > is
    : > | > doing?
    : > | >
    : > | >
    : > | > --
    : > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : > | > should things get worse after this,
    : > | > PCR
    : > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
    : > | > load. If
    : > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : > | > unusable,
    : > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
    : > | > reason
    : > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
    : > with
    : > | > the
    : > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : > | > |
    : > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    : > update
    : > | > but
    : > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    : > then
    : > | > it
    : > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    : > found.
    : > | > |
    : > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
    : > from
    : > | > | loading in the startup.
    : > | > |
    : > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    : > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    : > dated
    : > | > | 02/18/05
    : > | > |
    : > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    : > own
    : > | > folder,
    : > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
    : > | > that.
    : > | > |
    : > | > | --
    : > | > |
    : > | > | Brian A.
    : > | > |
    : > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : > | > |
    : > | > |
    : > | > |
    : > | > |
    : > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
    : > | > with NTFS
    : > | > | > on
    : > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    : > update
    : > | > because
    : > | > | > it
    : > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
    : > | > people to
    : > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
    : > to
    : > | > reverse
    : > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
    : > | > applied
    : > | > | > this
    : > | > | > update.
    : > | > | >
    : > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    : > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    : > Windows
    : > | > 98
    : > | > | > gets
    : > | > | > to
    : > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    : > screen
    : > | > of
    : > | > | > death.
    : > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    : > earlier
    : > | > state
    : > | > | > before
    : > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    : > fine.
    : > | > Each
    : > | > | > time
    : > | > | > I
    : > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
    : > the
    : > | > update
    : > | > | > at
    : > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
    : > the
    : > | > | > update
    : > | > | > was
    : > | > | > : run.
    : > | > | > :
    : > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : > | > | > :
    : > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
    : > | > were
    : > | > | > security
    : > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
    : > is.
    : > | > | > : >
    : > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
    : > the
    : > | > hour
    : > | > | > glass.
    : > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
    : > if I
    : > | > touch
    : > | > | > any
    : > | > | > key
    : > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
    : > | > button)
    : > | > | > : >
    : > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    : > | > appreciated
    : > | > | >
    : > | > | >
    : > | > |
    : > | >
    : > | >
    : > |
    : > |
    : >
    : >
    :
    :
  29. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable I do not
    need or use that so it could be a possibility.

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all dial-up's
    : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not running
    : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all dial-up's
    : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    :
    : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for interfering!
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    : | PCR,
    : | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
    : Mine,
    : | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    : However, IE
    : | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
    : have
    : | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    : |
    : | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    : | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    : after
    : | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    : |
    : | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    : dial-up
    : | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    : system, plus
    : | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
    : and
    : | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    : |
    : | Star
    : |
    : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    : .docs...
    : | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : | > ......Quote.........
    : | > Caveats: None
    : | > ......EOQ...........
    : | >
    : | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    : | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    : | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    : [KB891711]
    : | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
    : bit,
    : | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    : Sounds
    : | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking
    : at
    : | > your post's Properties & mine...
    : | >
    : | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    : | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    : | >
    : | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
    : So
    : | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    : | >
    : | >
    : | > --
    : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | > should things get worse after this,
    : | > PCR
    : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
    : it's
    : | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    : | > closed IE
    : | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    : seaching
    : | > &
    : | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    : | > |
    : | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    : | > dial-up,
    : | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    : | > ctl/alt/del,
    : | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
    : a
    : | > scanreg
    : | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    : searchs...
    : | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    : | > |
    : | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    : | > background
    : | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
    : I
    : | > did
    : | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
    : and I
    : | > had
    : | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
    : to
    : | > get
    : | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    : | > |
    : | > | Star
    : | > |
    : | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    : KB891711.exe
    : | > in
    : | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : | > | >
    : | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    : | > online.
    : | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    : URLs
    : | > will
    : | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
    : after
    : | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    : NetZero
    : | > is
    : | > | > doing?
    : | > | >
    : | > | >
    : | > | > --
    : | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | > | > should things get worse after this,
    : | > | > PCR
    : | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
    : to
    : | > | > load. If
    : | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : | > | > unusable,
    : | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
    : The
    : | > | > reason
    : | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
    : issue
    : | > with
    : | > | > the
    : | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    : | > update
    : | > | > but
    : | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with
    : it,
    : | > then
    : | > | > it
    : | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    : | > found.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
    : CU
    : | > from
    : | > | > | loading in the startup.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    : | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    : | > dated
    : | > | > | 02/18/05
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    : it's
    : | > own
    : | > | > folder,
    : | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
    : with
    : | > | > that.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | --
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | Brian A.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
    : XPPRO
    : | > | > with NTFS
    : | > | > | > on
    : | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    : | > update
    : | > | > because
    : | > | > | > it
    : | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    : computer
    : | > | > people to
    : | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
    : able
    : | > to
    : | > | > reverse
    : | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
    : not
    : | > | > applied
    : | > | > | > this
    : | > | > | > update.
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    : message
    : | > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    : | > Windows
    : | > | > 98
    : | > | > | > gets
    : | > | > | > to
    : | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    : | > screen
    : | > | > of
    : | > | > | > death.
    : | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    : | > earlier
    : | > | > state
    : | > | > | > before
    : | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    : | > fine.
    : | > | > Each
    : | > | > | > time
    : | > | > | > I
    : | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    : Aviod
    : | > the
    : | > | > update
    : | > | > | > at
    : | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
    : before
    : | > the
    : | > | > | > update
    : | > | > | > was
    : | > | > | > : run.
    : | > | > | > :
    : | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : | > | > | > :
    : | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
    : (they
    : | > | > were
    : | > | > | > security
    : | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    : here it
    : | > is.
    : | > | > | > : >
    : | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
    : and
    : | > the
    : | > | > hour
    : | > | > | > glass.
    : | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
    : and
    : | > if I
    : | > | > touch
    : | > | > | > any
    : | > | > | > key
    : | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
    : reset
    : | > | > button)
    : | > | > | > : >
    : | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    : greatly
    : | > | > appreciated
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > |
    : | > | >
    : | > | >
    : | > |
    : | > |
    : | >
    : | >
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  30. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Thank you and thanks to the people from Eyee for finding this vulnerability.
    They must be working really hard.

    http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA05-012A.html

    http://eeye.com/html/index.html

    "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42337BCA.21A37DB0@Guy.com...
    : Dan wrote:
    :
    : > Information is limited on this patch and given on a need to know
    : > basis, Star for reasons of security.
    :
    : I believe the links on this page are examples of code designed to
    : exploit this vulnerability:
    :
    : http://www.xfocus.net/flashsky/icoExp/index.html
    :
    : This link seems to give very detailed info about the vulnerability:
    :
    : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=110382891718076&w=2
    :
    : Both of those come from here:
    :
    : http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-1049
  31. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to BSOD
    the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the desktop,
    like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD. I
    disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del and saw
    it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing more.

    After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching dial-up
    connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked the
    puppy and restarted and all was well.

    Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
    suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others w/Pc-cillin had
    the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up, that's
    what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or ISP's....
    it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.

    Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how come for
    the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
    W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???

    For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
    process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional processes
    added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave service
    myself after I connect to the Internet.

    Star


    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all dial-up's
    > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not running
    > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all dial-up's
    > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    >
    > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for interfering!
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > should things get worse after this,
    > PCR
    > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    > | PCR,
    > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
    > Mine,
    > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    > However, IE
    > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
    > have
    > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    > |
    > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    > after
    > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    > |
    > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    > dial-up
    > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    > system, plus
    > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
    > and
    > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    > |
    > | Star
    > |
    > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    > .docs...
    > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    > | > ......Quote.........
    > | > Caveats: None
    > | > ......EOQ...........
    > | >
    > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    > [KB891711]
    > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
    > bit,
    > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    > Sounds
    > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking
    > at
    > | > your post's Properties & mine...
    > | >
    > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    > | >
    > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
    > So
    > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    > | >
    > | >
    > | > --
    > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | > should things get worse after this,
    > | > PCR
    > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
    > it's
    > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    > | > closed IE
    > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    > seaching
    > | > &
    > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    > | > |
    > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    > | > dial-up,
    > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    > | > ctl/alt/del,
    > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
    > a
    > | > scanreg
    > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    > searchs...
    > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    > | > |
    > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    > | > background
    > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
    > I
    > | > did
    > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
    > and I
    > | > had
    > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
    > to
    > | > get
    > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    > | > |
    > | > | Star
    > | > |
    > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    > KB891711.exe
    > | > in
    > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    > | > | >
    > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    > | > online.
    > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    > URLs
    > | > will
    > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
    > after
    > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    > NetZero
    > | > is
    > | > | > doing?
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | > --
    > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | > | > should things get worse after this,
    > | > | > PCR
    > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
    > to
    > | > | > load. If
    > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    > | > | > unusable,
    > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
    > The
    > | > | > reason
    > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
    > issue
    > | > with
    > | > | > the
    > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    > | > update
    > | > | > but
    > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with
    > it,
    > | > then
    > | > | > it
    > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    > | > found.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
    > CU
    > | > from
    > | > | > | loading in the startup.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    > | > dated
    > | > | > | 02/18/05
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    > it's
    > | > own
    > | > | > folder,
    > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
    > with
    > | > | > that.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | --
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | Brian A.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
    > XPPRO
    > | > | > with NTFS
    > | > | > | > on
    > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    > | > update
    > | > | > because
    > | > | > | > it
    > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    > computer
    > | > | > people to
    > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
    > able
    > | > to
    > | > | > reverse
    > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
    > not
    > | > | > applied
    > | > | > | > this
    > | > | > | > update.
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > message
    > | > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    > | > Windows
    > | > | > 98
    > | > | > | > gets
    > | > | > | > to
    > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    > | > screen
    > | > | > of
    > | > | > | > death.
    > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    > | > earlier
    > | > | > state
    > | > | > | > before
    > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    > | > fine.
    > | > | > Each
    > | > | > | > time
    > | > | > | > I
    > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    > Aviod
    > | > the
    > | > | > update
    > | > | > | > at
    > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
    > before
    > | > the
    > | > | > | > update
    > | > | > | > was
    > | > | > | > : run.
    > | > | > | > :
    > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > | > | > | > :
    > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
    > (they
    > | > | > were
    > | > | > | > security
    > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    > here it
    > | > is.
    > | > | > | > : >
    > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
    > and
    > | > the
    > | > | > hour
    > | > | > | > glass.
    > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
    > and
    > | > if I
    > | > | > touch
    > | > | > | > any
    > | > | > | > key
    > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
    > reset
    > | > | > button)
    > | > | > | > : >
    > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    > greatly
    > | > | > appreciated
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > |
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    > |
    >
    >
  32. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    And, Yes Dan, I still say, **SHAME** on Microsoft.

    If... you were on dial-up, you wouldn't be a *happy camper, and then for
    sure,
    I would like to see your letter to Microsoft* !!

    Really think about it Dan, think of the users affected... this is a **BIG**
    goof !!

    Star

    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:u3DnZz4JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > Sure Microsoft made a goof but we all should be happy that it was
    released.
    >
    > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    > : PCR,
    > : I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
    Mine,
    > : was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    However,
    > IE
    > : worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
    have
    > : created. And, OE worked fine too.
    > :
    > : I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    > : group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it after
    > : reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    > :
    > : **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    dial-up
    > : environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system,
    > plus
    > : my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
    and
    > : running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    > :
    > : Star
    > :
    > : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > : news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > : > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    > : > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    > : > ......Quote.........
    > : > Caveats: None
    > : > ......EOQ...........
    > : >
    > : > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    > : > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    > : > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    [KB891711]
    > : > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
    bit,
    > : > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    Sounds
    > : > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
    > : > your post's Properties & mine...
    > : >
    > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    > : >
    > : > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
    So
    > : > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    > : >
    > : >
    > : > --
    > : > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > : > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > : > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > : > should things get worse after this,
    > : > PCR
    > : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > : > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > : > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    > : > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    > : > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
    it's
    > : > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    > : > closed IE
    > : > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    seaching
    > : > &
    > : > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    > : > |
    > : > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    > : > dial-up,
    > : > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    > : > ctl/alt/del,
    > : > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
    > : > scanreg
    > : > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    searchs...
    > : > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    > : > |
    > : > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    > : > background
    > : > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
    I
    > : > did
    > : > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and
    I
    > : > had
    > : > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
    to
    > : > get
    > : > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    > : > |
    > : > | Star
    > : > |
    > : > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > : > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > : > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    KB891711.exe
    > : > in
    > : > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    > : > | >
    > : > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    > : > online.
    > : > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    > : > will
    > : > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
    after
    > : > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    NetZero
    > : > is
    > : > | > doing?
    > : > | >
    > : > | >
    > : > | > --
    > : > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > : > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > : > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > : > | > should things get worse after this,
    > : > | > PCR
    > : > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > : > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    > : > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > : > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
    to
    > : > | > load. If
    > : > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    > : > | > unusable,
    > : > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
    The
    > : > | > reason
    > : > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
    issue
    > : > with
    > : > | > the
    > : > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    > : > update
    > : > | > but
    > : > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    > : > then
    > : > | > it
    > : > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    > : > found.
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
    CU
    > : > from
    > : > | > | loading in the startup.
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    > : > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    > : > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    > : > dated
    > : > | > | 02/18/05
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    > : > own
    > : > | > folder,
    > : > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
    with
    > : > | > that.
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | --
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | Brian A.
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    > : > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > |
    > : > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    > : > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > : > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
    XPPRO
    > : > | > with NTFS
    > : > | > | > on
    > : > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    > : > update
    > : > | > because
    > : > | > | > it
    > : > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    computer
    > : > | > people to
    > : > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
    > : > to
    > : > | > reverse
    > : > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
    not
    > : > | > applied
    > : > | > | > this
    > : > | > | > update.
    > : > | > | >
    > : > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > : > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > : > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    > : > Windows
    > : > | > 98
    > : > | > | > gets
    > : > | > | > to
    > : > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    > : > screen
    > : > | > of
    > : > | > | > death.
    > : > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    > : > earlier
    > : > | > state
    > : > | > | > before
    > : > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    > : > fine.
    > : > | > Each
    > : > | > | > time
    > : > | > | > I
    > : > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    Aviod
    > : > the
    > : > | > update
    > : > | > | > at
    > : > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
    before
    > : > the
    > : > | > | > update
    > : > | > | > was
    > : > | > | > : run.
    > : > | > | > :
    > : > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > : > | > | > :
    > : > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
    (they
    > : > | > were
    > : > | > | > security
    > : > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here
    it
    > : > is.
    > : > | > | > : >
    > : > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
    and
    > : > the
    > : > | > hour
    > : > | > | > glass.
    > : > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
    > : > if I
    > : > | > touch
    > : > | > | > any
    > : > | > | > key
    > : > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
    reset
    > : > | > button)
    > : > | > | > : >
    > : > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
    > : > | > appreciated
    > : > | > | >
    > : > | > | >
    > : > | > |
    > : > | >
    > : > | >
    > : > |
    > : > |
    > : >
    > : >
    > :
    > :
    >
    >
  33. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    http://www.lyricalcontent.com/ugcs.php?q=Turn_Turn_Turn.html&script=htmlit
    ........Quote...........
    To everything, turn, turn, turn
    There is a season, turn, turn, turn
    And a time to every purpose under heaven
    A time to build up, a time to break down
    A time to dance, a time to mourn
    A time to cast away stones
    A time to gather stones together
    ........EOQ.............

    That's the one I was trying to get that first time, Colorado. Your
    season has arrived. But I'm STILL going to take KB891711.exe again, if
    they can get it right!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:eWwxfS3JFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | PCR wrote:
    | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    ..docs...
    | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    | > ......Quote.........
    | > Caveats: None
    | > ......EOQ...........
    | >
    | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped!
    |
    | Nope, I'm sure.
    |
    | > In fact, it could easily scare one into installing it, horrific as
    it
    | makes that
    | > vulnerability sound.
    |
    | Nope. I'm with Elliot Ness - so it can't touch me.
    |
    | > (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.)
    |
    | None of them are "needed", per se.
    |
    | >We would have had to wait a bit...
    |
    | Yup. Like.....how does an eternity sound to ya? (Sounds good to
    me).
    |
    | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    Sounds
    | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    |
    | I'm fine, thank you. But you have my condolences, however.
    |
    |
  34. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Smart Move PCR

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:udmCUA5JFHA.2576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : http://www.lyricalcontent.com/ugcs.php?q=Turn_Turn_Turn.html&script=htmlit
    : .......Quote...........
    : To everything, turn, turn, turn
    : There is a season, turn, turn, turn
    : And a time to every purpose under heaven
    : A time to build up, a time to break down
    : A time to dance, a time to mourn
    : A time to cast away stones
    : A time to gather stones together
    : .......EOQ.............
    :
    : That's the one I was trying to get that first time, Colorado. Your
    : season has arrived. But I'm STILL going to take KB891711.exe again, if
    : they can get it right!
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    : news:eWwxfS3JFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : | PCR wrote:
    : | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    : .docs...
    : | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : | > ......Quote.........
    : | > Caveats: None
    : | > ......EOQ...........
    : | >
    : | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped!
    : |
    : | Nope, I'm sure.
    : |
    : | > In fact, it could easily scare one into installing it, horrific as
    : it
    : | makes that
    : | > vulnerability sound.
    : |
    : | Nope. I'm with Elliot Ness - so it can't touch me.
    : |
    : | > (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
    : | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.)
    : |
    : | None of them are "needed", per se.
    : |
    : | >We would have had to wait a bit...
    : |
    : | Yup. Like.....how does an eternity sound to ya? (Sounds good to
    : me).
    : |
    : | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    : Sounds
    : | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    : |
    : | I'm fine, thank you. But you have my condolences, however.
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  35. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hope springs eternal.

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:%23rCp$x4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | I am sure it will be updated PCR. Maybe in April if we are fortunate
    and
    | maybe Microsoft will integrate it more fully into Add/Remove Programs
    so that
    | it does not have to be a running process -- we can only hope.
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:O6K3QV2JFHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | : I've never had a virus, either, nor has McAfee ever warned that one
    was
    | : trying. And McAfee works fine at...
    | : http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
    | : , passing all four tests! Of course, all badies are not a virus or
    | : diagnosed as such on a timely basis. That is, SOMEONE has to get it
    | : first, before it can be put into the definitions.
    | :
    | : I'm thinking, as complaints mount & mount, MS will release an
    updated
    | : version of KB891711.exe.
    | :
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    ....snip
  36. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Looks like TAPISRV.EXE (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) is
    another that launches when I connect. You have that one?


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:%235ZL9z4JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable I do
    not
    | need or use that so it could be a possibility.
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    dial-up's
    | : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    running
    | : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    dial-up's
    | : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    | :
    | : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    | : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    interfering!
    | :
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | : news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    | : | PCR,
    | : | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
    dial-up.
    | : Mine,
    | : | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    | : However, IE
    | : | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
    that I
    | : have
    | : | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    | : |
    | : | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
    the
    | : | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    | : after
    | : | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    | : |
    | : | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    | : dial-up
    | : | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    | : system, plus
    | : | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
    starting-up
    | : and
    | : | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    | : |
    | : | Star
    | : |
    | : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | : | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    | : .docs...
    | : | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    | : | > ......Quote.........
    | : | > Caveats: None
    | : | > ......EOQ...........
    | : | >
    | : | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
    could
    | : | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    | : | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    | : [KB891711]
    | : | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
    wait a
    | : bit,
    | : | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
    ourselves.
    | : Sounds
    | : | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    Looking
    | : at
    | : | > your post's Properties & mine...
    | : | >
    | : | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    | : | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    | : | >
    | : | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
    fine.
    | : So
    | : | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    | : | >
    | : | >
    | : | > --
    | : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : | > should things get worse after this,
    | : | > PCR
    | : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | : | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    | : | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    | : | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
    via
    | : it's
    | : | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
    I
    | : | > closed IE
    | : | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    | : seaching
    | : | > &
    | : | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
    ago.
    | : | > |
    | : | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
    Internet
    | : | > dial-up,
    | : | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    | : | > ctl/alt/del,
    | : | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
    and do
    | : a
    | : | > scanreg
    | : | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    | : searchs...
    | : | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
    me!!
    | : | > |
    | : | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    | : | > background
    | : | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
    news!!
    | : I
    | : | > did
    | : | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
    W98-se
    | : and I
    | : | > had
    | : | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
    decided
    | : to
    | : | > get
    | : | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    | : | > |
    | : | > | Star
    | : | > |
    | : | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | : | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | : | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    | : KB891711.exe
    | : | > in
    | : | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    | : | > | >
    | : | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
    gone
    | : | > online.
    | : | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    | : URLs
    | : | > will
    | : | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
    work,
    | : after
    | : | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    | : NetZero
    | : | > is
    | : | > | > doing?
    | : | > | >
    | : | > | >
    | : | > | > --
    | : | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : | > | > should things get worse after this,
    | : | > | > PCR
    | : | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    | : | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | : | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
    Windows
    | : to
    | : | > | > load. If
    | : | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
    renders it
    | : | > | > unusable,
    | : | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
    recommended.
    | : The
    | : | > | > reason
    | : | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
    an
    | : issue
    | : | > with
    | : | > | > the
    | : | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
    the
    | : | > update
    | : | > | > but
    | : | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
    with
    | : it,
    | : | > then
    | : | > | > it
    | : | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
    is
    | : | > found.
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
    the
    | : CU
    | : | > from
    | : | > | > | loading in the startup.
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    | : | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    | : | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
    Q891711.dll
    | : | > dated
    | : | > | > | 02/18/05
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    | : it's
    | : | > own
    | : | > | > folder,
    | : | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
    up
    | : with
    | : | > | > that.
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | --
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | Brian A.
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    | : | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | : | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | : | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
    and
    | : XPPRO
    | : | > | > with NTFS
    | : | > | > | > on
    | : | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
    this
    | : | > update
    | : | > | > because
    | : | > | > | > it
    | : | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    | : computer
    | : | > | > people to
    | : | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
    are
    | : able
    | : | > to
    | : | > | > reverse
    | : | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
    have
    | : not
    | : | > | > applied
    | : | > | > | > this
    | : | > | > | > update.
    | : | > | > | >
    | : | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    | : message
    | : | > | > | >
    news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | : | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
    update.
    | : | > Windows
    | : | > | > 98
    | : | > | > | > gets
    | : | > | > | > to
    | : | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
    blue
    | : | > screen
    | : | > | > of
    | : | > | > | > death.
    | : | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
    an
    | : | > earlier
    | : | > | > state
    | : | > | > | > before
    | : | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
    worked
    | : | > fine.
    | : | > | > Each
    | : | > | > | > time
    | : | > | > | > I
    | : | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    | : Aviod
    | : | > the
    | : | > | > update
    | : | > | > | > at
    | : | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
    to
    | : before
    | : | > the
    | : | > | > | > update
    | : | > | > | > was
    | : | > | > | > : run.
    | : | > | > | > :
    | : | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | : | > | > | > :
    | : | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
    patches
    | : (they
    | : | > | > were
    | : | > | > | > security
    | : | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    | : here it
    | : | > is.
    | : | > | > | > : >
    | : | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
    mouse
    | : and
    | : | > the
    | : | > | > hour
    | : | > | > | > glass.
    | : | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
    DISAPPEARS
    | : and
    | : | > if I
    | : | > | > touch
    | : | > | > | > any
    | : | > | > | > key
    | : | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
    the
    | : reset
    | : | > | > button)
    | : | > | > | > : >
    | : | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    | : greatly
    | : | > | > appreciated
    | : | > | > | >
    | : | > | > | >
    | : | > | > |
    | : | > | >
    | : | > | >
    | : | > |
    | : | > |
    | : | >
    | : | >
    | : |
    | : |
    | :
    | :
    |
    |
  37. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Not necessarily a lie, perhaps just an error.

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:u40l7y4JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be needed
    for
    | Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to
    April issue
    | of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x
    operating
    | system.
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    ....snip
  38. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
    intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that can
    be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or another.
    The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off with
    a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears to
    be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be they
    have made a pact with the cable guy?

    Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
    vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to Colorado,
    before you decide to do without it as he has!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
    | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to
    BSOD
    | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
    desktop,
    | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD.
    I
    | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del
    and saw
    | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
    more.
    |
    | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching
    dial-up
    | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked
    the
    | puppy and restarted and all was well.
    |
    | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
    | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
    w/Pc-cillin had
    | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up,
    that's
    | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
    ISP's....
    | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
    |
    | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
    come for
    | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
    | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
    |
    | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
    | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
    processes
    | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
    service
    | myself after I connect to the Internet.
    |
    | Star
    |
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    dial-up's
    | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    running
    | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    dial-up's
    | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    | >
    | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    interfering!
    | >
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    | > | PCR,
    | > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
    dial-up.
    | > Mine,
    | > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    | > However, IE
    | > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
    that I
    | > have
    | > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    | > |
    | > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
    the
    | > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    | > after
    | > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    | > |
    | > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    | > dial-up
    | > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    | > system, plus
    | > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
    starting-up
    | > and
    | > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    | > |
    | > | Star
    | > |
    | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    | > .docs...
    | > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    | > | > ......Quote.........
    | > | > Caveats: None
    | > | > ......EOQ...........
    | > | >
    | > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
    could
    | > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    | > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    | > [KB891711]
    | > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
    wait a
    | > bit,
    | > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
    ourselves.
    | > Sounds
    | > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    Looking
    | > at
    | > | > your post's Properties & mine...
    | > | >
    | > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    | > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    | > | >
    | > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
    fine.
    | > So
    | > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | > --
    | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > | > should things get worse after this,
    | > | > PCR
    | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    | > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    | > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
    via
    | > it's
    | > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
    I
    | > | > closed IE
    | > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    | > seaching
    | > | > &
    | > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
    ago.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
    Internet
    | > | > dial-up,
    | > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    | > | > ctl/alt/del,
    | > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
    and do
    | > a
    | > | > scanreg
    | > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    | > searchs...
    | > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
    me!!
    | > | > |
    | > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    | > | > background
    | > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
    news!!
    | > I
    | > | > did
    | > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
    W98-se
    | > and I
    | > | > had
    | > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
    decided
    | > to
    | > | > get
    | > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Star
    | > | > |
    | > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    | > KB891711.exe
    | > | > in
    | > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
    gone
    | > | > online.
    | > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    | > URLs
    | > | > will
    | > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
    work,
    | > after
    | > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    | > NetZero
    | > | > is
    | > | > | > doing?
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > --
    | > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > | > | > should things get worse after this,
    | > | > | > PCR
    | > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    | > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
    Windows
    | > to
    | > | > | > load. If
    | > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
    renders it
    | > | > | > unusable,
    | > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
    recommended.
    | > The
    | > | > | > reason
    | > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
    an
    | > issue
    | > | > with
    | > | > | > the
    | > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
    the
    | > | > update
    | > | > | > but
    | > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
    with
    | > it,
    | > | > then
    | > | > | > it
    | > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
    is
    | > | > found.
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
    the
    | > CU
    | > | > from
    | > | > | > | loading in the startup.
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    | > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    | > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
    Q891711.dll
    | > | > dated
    | > | > | > | 02/18/05
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    | > it's
    | > | > own
    | > | > | > folder,
    | > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
    up
    | > with
    | > | > | > that.
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | --
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | Brian A.
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    | > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
    and
    | > XPPRO
    | > | > | > with NTFS
    | > | > | > | > on
    | > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
    this
    | > | > update
    | > | > | > because
    | > | > | > | > it
    | > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    | > computer
    | > | > | > people to
    | > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
    are
    | > able
    | > | > to
    | > | > | > reverse
    | > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
    have
    | > not
    | > | > | > applied
    | > | > | > | > this
    | > | > | > | > update.
    | > | > | > | >
    | > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    | > message
    | > | > | > | >
    news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    | > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
    update.
    | > | > Windows
    | > | > | > 98
    | > | > | > | > gets
    | > | > | > | > to
    | > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
    blue
    | > | > screen
    | > | > | > of
    | > | > | > | > death.
    | > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
    an
    | > | > earlier
    | > | > | > state
    | > | > | > | > before
    | > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
    worked
    | > | > fine.
    | > | > | > Each
    | > | > | > | > time
    | > | > | > | > I
    | > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    | > Aviod
    | > | > the
    | > | > | > update
    | > | > | > | > at
    | > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
    to
    | > before
    | > | > the
    | > | > | > | > update
    | > | > | > | > was
    | > | > | > | > : run.
    | > | > | > | > :
    | > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    | > | > | > | > :
    | > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
    patches
    | > (they
    | > | > | > were
    | > | > | > | > security
    | > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    | > here it
    | > | > is.
    | > | > | > | > : >
    | > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
    mouse
    | > and
    | > | > the
    | > | > | > hour
    | > | > | > | > glass.
    | > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
    DISAPPEARS
    | > and
    | > | > if I
    | > | > | > touch
    | > | > | > | > any
    | > | > | > | > key
    | > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
    the
    | > reset
    | > | > | > button)
    | > | > | > | > : >
    | > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    | > greatly
    | > | > | > appreciated
    | > | > | > | >
    | > | > | > | >
    | > | > | > |
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | >
    | > | > |
    | > | > |
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
  39. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    This update was released... yesterday, correct ? Heaven help you helpers of
    this newsgroup... the real onslaught of posts have yet to arrive.

    Many or most of these users... won't be able to easily disable the process
    via msconfig., won't know what to do!! They will be going in circles
    dialing up, launching IE, crashing to BSOD, restarting
    and....................... will be lost in a cruel loop!!

    I read nothing in the bulletin... about these trials and adversities...
    SHAME on Microsoft, PCR.

    How much worse can it get... ?? this has been an eye-opener... !!

    You uninstalled it too, correct... ?? or do you have it disabled only ??

    Take care... Star


    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:Oua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
    > intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that can
    > be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or another.
    > The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off with
    > a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears to
    > be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be they
    > have made a pact with the cable guy?
    >
    > Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
    > vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to Colorado,
    > before you decide to do without it as he has!
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > should things get worse after this,
    > PCR
    > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
    > | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to
    > BSOD
    > | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
    > desktop,
    > | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD.
    > I
    > | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del
    > and saw
    > | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
    > more.
    > |
    > | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching
    > dial-up
    > | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked
    > the
    > | puppy and restarted and all was well.
    > |
    > | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
    > | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
    > w/Pc-cillin had
    > | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up,
    > that's
    > | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
    > ISP's....
    > | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
    > |
    > | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
    > come for
    > | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
    > | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
    > |
    > | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
    > | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
    > processes
    > | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
    > service
    > | myself after I connect to the Internet.
    > |
    > | Star
    > |
    > |
    > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    > dial-up's
    > | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    > running
    > | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    > dial-up's
    > | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    > | >
    > | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    > | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    > interfering!
    > | >
    > | >
    > | > --
    > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | > should things get worse after this,
    > | > PCR
    > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    > | > | PCR,
    > | > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
    > dial-up.
    > | > Mine,
    > | > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    > | > However, IE
    > | > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
    > that I
    > | > have
    > | > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    > | > |
    > | > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
    > the
    > | > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    > | > after
    > | > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    > | > |
    > | > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    > | > dial-up
    > | > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    > | > system, plus
    > | > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
    > starting-up
    > | > and
    > | > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    > | > |
    > | > | Star
    > | > |
    > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > | > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    > | > .docs...
    > | > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    > | > | > ......Quote.........
    > | > | > Caveats: None
    > | > | > ......EOQ...........
    > | > | >
    > | > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
    > could
    > | > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    > | > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    > | > [KB891711]
    > | > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
    > wait a
    > | > bit,
    > | > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
    > ourselves.
    > | > Sounds
    > | > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    > Looking
    > | > at
    > | > | > your post's Properties & mine...
    > | > | >
    > | > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    > | > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    > | > | >
    > | > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
    > fine.
    > | > So
    > | > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | > --
    > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | > | > should things get worse after this,
    > | > | > PCR
    > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > | > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    > | > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    > | > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
    > via
    > | > it's
    > | > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
    > I
    > | > | > closed IE
    > | > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    > | > seaching
    > | > | > &
    > | > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
    > ago.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
    > Internet
    > | > | > dial-up,
    > | > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    > | > | > ctl/alt/del,
    > | > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
    > and do
    > | > a
    > | > | > scanreg
    > | > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    > | > searchs...
    > | > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
    > me!!
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    > | > | > background
    > | > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
    > news!!
    > | > I
    > | > | > did
    > | > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
    > W98-se
    > | > and I
    > | > | > had
    > | > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
    > decided
    > | > to
    > | > | > get
    > | > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | Star
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > | > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    > | > KB891711.exe
    > | > | > in
    > | > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
    > gone
    > | > | > online.
    > | > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    > | > URLs
    > | > | > will
    > | > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
    > work,
    > | > after
    > | > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    > | > NetZero
    > | > | > is
    > | > | > | > doing?
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | > --
    > | > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | > | > | > should things get worse after this,
    > | > | > | > PCR
    > | > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    > | > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
    > Windows
    > | > to
    > | > | > | > load. If
    > | > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
    > renders it
    > | > | > | > unusable,
    > | > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
    > recommended.
    > | > The
    > | > | > | > reason
    > | > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
    > an
    > | > issue
    > | > | > with
    > | > | > | > the
    > | > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
    > the
    > | > | > update
    > | > | > | > but
    > | > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
    > with
    > | > it,
    > | > | > then
    > | > | > | > it
    > | > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
    > is
    > | > | > found.
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
    > the
    > | > CU
    > | > | > from
    > | > | > | > | loading in the startup.
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    > | > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    > | > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
    > Q891711.dll
    > | > | > dated
    > | > | > | > | 02/18/05
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    > | > it's
    > | > | > own
    > | > | > | > folder,
    > | > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
    > up
    > | > with
    > | > | > | > that.
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | --
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | Brian A.
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    > | > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    > | > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
    > and
    > | > XPPRO
    > | > | > | > with NTFS
    > | > | > | > | > on
    > | > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
    > this
    > | > | > update
    > | > | > | > because
    > | > | > | > | > it
    > | > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    > | > computer
    > | > | > | > people to
    > | > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
    > are
    > | > able
    > | > | > to
    > | > | > | > reverse
    > | > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
    > have
    > | > not
    > | > | > | > applied
    > | > | > | > | > this
    > | > | > | > | > update.
    > | > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > | > message
    > | > | > | > | >
    > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    > | > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
    > update.
    > | > | > Windows
    > | > | > | > 98
    > | > | > | > | > gets
    > | > | > | > | > to
    > | > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
    > blue
    > | > | > screen
    > | > | > | > of
    > | > | > | > | > death.
    > | > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
    > an
    > | > | > earlier
    > | > | > | > state
    > | > | > | > | > before
    > | > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
    > worked
    > | > | > fine.
    > | > | > | > Each
    > | > | > | > | > time
    > | > | > | > | > I
    > | > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    > | > Aviod
    > | > | > the
    > | > | > | > update
    > | > | > | > | > at
    > | > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
    > to
    > | > before
    > | > | > the
    > | > | > | > | > update
    > | > | > | > | > was
    > | > | > | > | > : run.
    > | > | > | > | > :
    > | > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    > | > | > | > | > :
    > | > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
    > patches
    > | > (they
    > | > | > | > were
    > | > | > | > | > security
    > | > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    > | > here it
    > | > | > is.
    > | > | > | > | > : >
    > | > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
    > mouse
    > | > and
    > | > | > the
    > | > | > | > hour
    > | > | > | > | > glass.
    > | > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
    > DISAPPEARS
    > | > and
    > | > | > if I
    > | > | > | > touch
    > | > | > | > | > any
    > | > | > | > | > key
    > | > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
    > the
    > | > reset
    > | > | > | > button)
    > | > | > | > | > : >
    > | > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    > | > greatly
    > | > | > | > appreciated
    > | > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | > |
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > | >
    > | > | > |
    > | > | > |
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    > |
    >
    >
  40. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    nope.

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:unsk2f5JFHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : Looks like TAPISRV.EXE (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) is
    : another that launches when I connect. You have that one?
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : news:%235ZL9z4JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable I do
    : not
    : | need or use that so it could be a possibility.
    : |
    : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : | : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    : dial-up's
    : | : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    : running
    : | : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    : dial-up's
    : | : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    : | :
    : | : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    : | : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    : interfering!
    : | :
    : | :
    : | : --
    : | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | : should things get worse after this,
    : | : PCR
    : | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : | : news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    : | : | PCR,
    : | : | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
    : dial-up.
    : | : Mine,
    : | : | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    : | : However, IE
    : | : | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
    : that I
    : | : have
    : | : | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    : | : |
    : | : | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
    : the
    : | : | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    : | : after
    : | : | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    : | : |
    : | : | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    : | : dial-up
    : | : | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    : | : system, plus
    : | : | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
    : starting-up
    : | : and
    : | : | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    : | : |
    : | : | Star
    : | : |
    : | : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | : | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    : | : .docs...
    : | : | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : | : | > ......Quote.........
    : | : | > Caveats: None
    : | : | > ......EOQ...........
    : | : | >
    : | : | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
    : could
    : | : | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    : | : | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    : | : [KB891711]
    : | : | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
    : wait a
    : | : bit,
    : | : | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
    : ourselves.
    : | : Sounds
    : | : | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    : Looking
    : | : at
    : | : | > your post's Properties & mine...
    : | : | >
    : | : | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    : | : | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    : | : | >
    : | : | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
    : fine.
    : | : So
    : | : | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    : | : | >
    : | : | >
    : | : | > --
    : | : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | : | > should things get worse after this,
    : | : | > PCR
    : | : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | : | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : | : | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : | : | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : | : | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
    : via
    : | : it's
    : | : | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
    : I
    : | : | > closed IE
    : | : | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    : | : seaching
    : | : | > &
    : | : | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
    : ago.
    : | : | > |
    : | : | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
    : Internet
    : | : | > dial-up,
    : | : | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    : | : | > ctl/alt/del,
    : | : | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
    : and do
    : | : a
    : | : | > scanreg
    : | : | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    : | : searchs...
    : | : | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
    : me!!
    : | : | > |
    : | : | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    : | : | > background
    : | : | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
    : news!!
    : | : I
    : | : | > did
    : | : | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
    : W98-se
    : | : and I
    : | : | > had
    : | : | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
    : decided
    : | : to
    : | : | > get
    : | : | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    : | : | > |
    : | : | > | Star
    : | : | > |
    : | : | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | : | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : | : | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    : | : KB891711.exe
    : | : | > in
    : | : | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : | : | > | >
    : | : | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
    : gone
    : | : | > online.
    : | : | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    : | : URLs
    : | : | > will
    : | : | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
    : work,
    : | : after
    : | : | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    : | : NetZero
    : | : | > is
    : | : | > | > doing?
    : | : | > | >
    : | : | > | >
    : | : | > | > --
    : | : | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | : | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | : | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | : | > | > should things get worse after this,
    : | : | > | > PCR
    : | : | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | : | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : | : | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | : | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
    : Windows
    : | : to
    : | : | > | > load. If
    : | : | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
    : renders it
    : | : | > | > unusable,
    : | : | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
    : recommended.
    : | : The
    : | : | > | > reason
    : | : | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
    : an
    : | : issue
    : | : | > with
    : | : | > | > the
    : | : | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
    : the
    : | : | > update
    : | : | > | > but
    : | : | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
    : with
    : | : it,
    : | : | > then
    : | : | > | > it
    : | : | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
    : is
    : | : | > found.
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
    : the
    : | : CU
    : | : | > from
    : | : | > | > | loading in the startup.
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    : | : | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : | : | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
    : Q891711.dll
    : | : | > dated
    : | : | > | > | 02/18/05
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    : | : it's
    : | : | > own
    : | : | > | > folder,
    : | : | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
    : up
    : | : with
    : | : | > | > that.
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | --
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | Brian A.
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : | : | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | : | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | : | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
    : and
    : | : XPPRO
    : | : | > | > with NTFS
    : | : | > | > | > on
    : | : | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
    : this
    : | : | > update
    : | : | > | > because
    : | : | > | > | > it
    : | : | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    : | : computer
    : | : | > | > people to
    : | : | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
    : are
    : | : able
    : | : | > to
    : | : | > | > reverse
    : | : | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
    : have
    : | : not
    : | : | > | > applied
    : | : | > | > | > this
    : | : | > | > | > update.
    : | : | > | > | >
    : | : | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    : | : message
    : | : | > | > | >
    : news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : | : | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
    : update.
    : | : | > Windows
    : | : | > | > 98
    : | : | > | > | > gets
    : | : | > | > | > to
    : | : | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
    : blue
    : | : | > screen
    : | : | > | > of
    : | : | > | > | > death.
    : | : | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
    : an
    : | : | > earlier
    : | : | > | > state
    : | : | > | > | > before
    : | : | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
    : worked
    : | : | > fine.
    : | : | > | > Each
    : | : | > | > | > time
    : | : | > | > | > I
    : | : | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    : | : Aviod
    : | : | > the
    : | : | > | > update
    : | : | > | > | > at
    : | : | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
    : to
    : | : before
    : | : | > the
    : | : | > | > | > update
    : | : | > | > | > was
    : | : | > | > | > : run.
    : | : | > | > | > :
    : | : | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : | : | > | > | > :
    : | : | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
    : patches
    : | : (they
    : | : | > | > were
    : | : | > | > | > security
    : | : | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    : | : here it
    : | : | > is.
    : | : | > | > | > : >
    : | : | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
    : mouse
    : | : and
    : | : | > the
    : | : | > | > hour
    : | : | > | > | > glass.
    : | : | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
    : DISAPPEARS
    : | : and
    : | : | > if I
    : | : | > | > touch
    : | : | > | > | > any
    : | : | > | > | > key
    : | : | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
    : the
    : | : reset
    : | : | > | > button)
    : | : | > | > | > : >
    : | : | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    : | : greatly
    : | : | > | > appreciated
    : | : | > | > | >
    : | : | > | > | >
    : | : | > | > |
    : | : | > | >
    : | : | > | >
    : | : | > |
    : | : | > |
    : | : | >
    : | : | >
    : | : |
    : | : |
    : | :
    : | :
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  41. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    So when are you switching to Linux, PCR if you do not care for Microsoft?

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:Oua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
    : intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that can
    : be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or another.
    : The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off with
    : a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears to
    : be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be they
    : have made a pact with the cable guy?
    :
    : Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
    : vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to Colorado,
    : before you decide to do without it as he has!
    :
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
    : | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to
    : BSOD
    : | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
    : desktop,
    : | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD.
    : I
    : | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del
    : and saw
    : | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
    : more.
    : |
    : | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching
    : dial-up
    : | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked
    : the
    : | puppy and restarted and all was well.
    : |
    : | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
    : | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
    : w/Pc-cillin had
    : | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up,
    : that's
    : | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
    : ISP's....
    : | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
    : |
    : | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
    : come for
    : | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
    : | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
    : |
    : | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
    : | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
    : processes
    : | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
    : service
    : | myself after I connect to the Internet.
    : |
    : | Star
    : |
    : |
    : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    : dial-up's
    : | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    : running
    : | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    : dial-up's
    : | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
    : | >
    : | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    : | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    : interfering!
    : | >
    : | >
    : | > --
    : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | > should things get worse after this,
    : | > PCR
    : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    : | > | PCR,
    : | > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
    : dial-up.
    : | > Mine,
    : | > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    : | > However, IE
    : | > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
    : that I
    : | > have
    : | > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
    : | > |
    : | > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
    : the
    : | > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    : | > after
    : | > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    : | > |
    : | > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    : | > dial-up
    : | > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
    : | > system, plus
    : | > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
    : starting-up
    : | > and
    : | > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    : | > |
    : | > | Star
    : | > |
    : | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
    : | > .docs...
    : | > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : | > | > ......Quote.........
    : | > | > Caveats: None
    : | > | > ......EOQ...........
    : | > | >
    : | > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
    : could
    : | > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    : | > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    : | > [KB891711]
    : | > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
    : wait a
    : | > bit,
    : | > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
    : ourselves.
    : | > Sounds
    : | > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
    : Looking
    : | > at
    : | > | > your post's Properties & mine...
    : | > | >
    : | > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    : | > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    : | > | >
    : | > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
    : fine.
    : | > So
    : | > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    : | > | >
    : | > | >
    : | > | > --
    : | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | > | > should things get worse after this,
    : | > | > PCR
    : | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : | > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : | > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : | > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
    : via
    : | > it's
    : | > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
    : I
    : | > | > closed IE
    : | > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    : | > seaching
    : | > | > &
    : | > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
    : ago.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
    : Internet
    : | > | > dial-up,
    : | > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    : | > | > ctl/alt/del,
    : | > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
    : and do
    : | > a
    : | > | > scanreg
    : | > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    : | > searchs...
    : | > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
    : me!!
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    : | > | > background
    : | > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
    : news!!
    : | > I
    : | > | > did
    : | > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
    : W98-se
    : | > and I
    : | > | > had
    : | > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
    : decided
    : | > to
    : | > | > get
    : | > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | Star
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    : | > KB891711.exe
    : | > | > in
    : | > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
    : gone
    : | > | > online.
    : | > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
    : | > URLs
    : | > | > will
    : | > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
    : work,
    : | > after
    : | > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    : | > NetZero
    : | > | > is
    : | > | > | > doing?
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > | > --
    : | > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : | > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : | > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : | > | > | > should things get worse after this,
    : | > | > | > PCR
    : | > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : | > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : | > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
    : Windows
    : | > to
    : | > | > | > load. If
    : | > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
    : renders it
    : | > | > | > unusable,
    : | > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
    : recommended.
    : | > The
    : | > | > | > reason
    : | > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
    : an
    : | > issue
    : | > | > with
    : | > | > | > the
    : | > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
    : the
    : | > | > update
    : | > | > | > but
    : | > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
    : with
    : | > it,
    : | > | > then
    : | > | > | > it
    : | > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
    : is
    : | > | > found.
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
    : the
    : | > CU
    : | > | > from
    : | > | > | > | loading in the startup.
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    : | > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : | > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
    : Q891711.dll
    : | > | > dated
    : | > | > | > | 02/18/05
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
    : | > it's
    : | > | > own
    : | > | > | > folder,
    : | > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
    : up
    : | > with
    : | > | > | > that.
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | --
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | Brian A.
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : | > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : | > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : | > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
    : and
    : | > XPPRO
    : | > | > | > with NTFS
    : | > | > | > | > on
    : | > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
    : this
    : | > | > update
    : | > | > | > because
    : | > | > | > | > it
    : | > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    : | > computer
    : | > | > | > people to
    : | > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
    : are
    : | > able
    : | > | > to
    : | > | > | > reverse
    : | > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
    : have
    : | > not
    : | > | > | > applied
    : | > | > | > | > this
    : | > | > | > | > update.
    : | > | > | > | >
    : | > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    : | > message
    : | > | > | > | >
    : news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : | > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
    : update.
    : | > | > Windows
    : | > | > | > 98
    : | > | > | > | > gets
    : | > | > | > | > to
    : | > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
    : blue
    : | > | > screen
    : | > | > | > of
    : | > | > | > | > death.
    : | > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
    : an
    : | > | > earlier
    : | > | > | > state
    : | > | > | > | > before
    : | > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
    : worked
    : | > | > fine.
    : | > | > | > Each
    : | > | > | > | > time
    : | > | > | > | > I
    : | > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    : | > Aviod
    : | > | > the
    : | > | > | > update
    : | > | > | > | > at
    : | > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
    : to
    : | > before
    : | > | > the
    : | > | > | > | > update
    : | > | > | > | > was
    : | > | > | > | > : run.
    : | > | > | > | > :
    : | > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : | > | > | > | > :
    : | > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
    : patches
    : | > (they
    : | > | > | > were
    : | > | > | > | > security
    : | > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
    : | > here it
    : | > | > is.
    : | > | > | > | > : >
    : | > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
    : mouse
    : | > and
    : | > | > the
    : | > | > | > hour
    : | > | > | > | > glass.
    : | > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
    : DISAPPEARS
    : | > and
    : | > | > if I
    : | > | > | > touch
    : | > | > | > | > any
    : | > | > | > | > key
    : | > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
    : the
    : | > reset
    : | > | > | > button)
    : | > | > | > | > : >
    : | > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    : | > greatly
    : | > | > | > appreciated
    : | > | > | > | >
    : | > | > | > | >
    : | > | > | > |
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > | >
    : | > | > |
    : | > | > |
    : | > | >
    : | > | >
    : | > |
    : | > |
    : | >
    : | >
    : |
    : |
    :
    :
  42. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    True but it is better than nothing --- Microsoft is catering to the guys with
    broadband because dial-up is considered ancient. I know Microsoft was wrong
    but oh well I am sorry for your lose -- remember this 9 page letter cost me
    my HP 3820 printer so you are not the only one frustrated. <smile -- grin
    and deal with it>

    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1137q9dhqgqg5a0@corp.supernews.com...
    : And, Yes Dan, I still say, **SHAME** on Microsoft.
    :
    : If... you were on dial-up, you wouldn't be a *happy camper, and then for
    : sure,
    : I would like to see your letter to Microsoft* !!
    :
    : Really think about it Dan, think of the users affected... this is a **BIG**
    : goof !!
    :
    : Star
    :
    : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : news:u3DnZz4JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : > Sure Microsoft made a goof but we all should be happy that it was
    : released.
    : >
    : > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    : > : PCR,
    : > : I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
    : Mine,
    : > : was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
    : However,
    : > IE
    : > : worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
    : have
    : > : created. And, OE worked fine too.
    : > :
    : > : I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
    : > : group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
    after
    : > : reading and then reading here in the the group!!
    : > :
    : > : **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
    : dial-up
    : > : environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system,
    : > plus
    : > : my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
    : and
    : > : running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
    : > :
    : > : Star
    : > :
    : > : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : > : news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : > : > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
    : > : > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
    : > : > ......Quote.........
    : > : > Caveats: None
    : > : > ......EOQ...........
    : > : >
    : > : > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
    : > : > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
    : > : > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
    : [KB891711]
    : > : > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
    : bit,
    : > : > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
    : Sounds
    : > : > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
    : > : > your post's Properties & mine...
    : > : >
    : > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
    : > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
    : > : >
    : > : > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
    : So
    : > : > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
    : > : >
    : > : >
    : > : > --
    : > : > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : > : > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : > : > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : > : > should things get worse after this,
    : > : > PCR
    : > : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : > : > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : > : > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
    : > : > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
    : > : > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
    : it's
    : > : > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
    : > : > closed IE
    : > : > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
    : seaching
    : > : > &
    : > : > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
    : > : > |
    : > : > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
    : > : > dial-up,
    : > : > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
    : > : > ctl/alt/del,
    : > : > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
    a
    : > : > scanreg
    : > : > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
    : searchs...
    : > : > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
    : > : > |
    : > : > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
    : > : > background
    : > : > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
    : I
    : > : > did
    : > : > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
    and
    : I
    : > : > had
    : > : > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
    : to
    : > : > get
    : > : > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
    : > : > |
    : > : > | Star
    : > : > |
    : > : > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : > : > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : > : > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
    : KB891711.exe
    : > : > in
    : > : > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
    : > : > | >
    : > : > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
    : > : > online.
    : > : > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
    : > : > will
    : > : > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
    : after
    : > : > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
    : NetZero
    : > : > is
    : > : > | > doing?
    : > : > | >
    : > : > | >
    : > : > | > --
    : > : > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    : > : > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    : > : > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    : > : > | > should things get worse after this,
    : > : > | > PCR
    : > : > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : > : > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
    : > : > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : > : > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
    : to
    : > : > | > load. If
    : > : > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
    : > : > | > unusable,
    : > : > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
    : The
    : > : > | > reason
    : > : > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
    : issue
    : > : > with
    : > : > | > the
    : > : > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
    : > : > update
    : > : > | > but
    : > : > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
    : > : > then
    : > : > | > it
    : > : > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
    : > : > found.
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
    : CU
    : > : > from
    : > : > | > | loading in the startup.
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
    : > : > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
    : > : > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
    : > : > dated
    : > : > | > | 02/18/05
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
    : > : > own
    : > : > | > folder,
    : > : > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
    : with
    : > : > | > that.
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | --
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | Brian A.
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
    : > : > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : > : > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    : > : > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
    : XPPRO
    : > : > | > with NTFS
    : > : > | > | > on
    : > : > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
    : > : > update
    : > : > | > because
    : > : > | > | > it
    : > : > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
    : computer
    : > : > | > people to
    : > : > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
    able
    : > : > to
    : > : > | > reverse
    : > : > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
    : not
    : > : > | > applied
    : > : > | > | > this
    : > : > | > | > update.
    : > : > | > | >
    : > : > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    message
    : > : > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
    : > : > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
    : > : > Windows
    : > : > | > 98
    : > : > | > | > gets
    : > : > | > | > to
    : > : > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
    : > : > screen
    : > : > | > of
    : > : > | > | > death.
    : > : > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
    : > : > earlier
    : > : > | > state
    : > : > | > | > before
    : > : > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
    : > : > fine.
    : > : > | > Each
    : > : > | > | > time
    : > : > | > | > I
    : > : > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
    : Aviod
    : > : > the
    : > : > | > update
    : > : > | > | > at
    : > : > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
    : before
    : > : > the
    : > : > | > | > update
    : > : > | > | > was
    : > : > | > | > : run.
    : > : > | > | > :
    : > : > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
    : > : > | > | > :
    : > : > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
    : (they
    : > : > | > were
    : > : > | > | > security
    : > : > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here
    : it
    : > : > is.
    : > : > | > | > : >
    : > : > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
    : and
    : > : > the
    : > : > | > hour
    : > : > | > | > glass.
    : > : > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
    and
    : > : > if I
    : > : > | > touch
    : > : > | > | > any
    : > : > | > | > key
    : > : > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
    : reset
    : > : > | > button)
    : > : > | > | > : >
    : > : > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
    greatly
    : > : > | > appreciated
    : > : > | > | >
    : > : > | > | >
    : > : > | > |
    : > : > | >
    : > : > | >
    : > : > |
    : > : > |
    : > : >
    : > : >
    : > :
    : > :
    : >
    : >
    :
    :
  43. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Okay an error then.

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:ePCZYh5JFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : Not necessarily a lie, perhaps just an error.
    :
    : --
    : Thanks or Good Luck,
    : There may be humor in this post, and,
    : Naturally, you will not sue,
    : should things get worse after this,
    : PCR
    : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    : news:u40l7y4JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    : | (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be needed
    : for
    : | Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to
    : April issue
    : | of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x
    : operating
    : | system.
    : |
    : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : ...snip
    :
    :
  44. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    uh..that reminds me..

    Dan, can you please snip uneeded content? This post was about
    12k just to say "nope." Multiply that number by the number of
    servers that slurp this group, plus the number of clients
    downloading the message. Factor in the sheer volume of your
    posts and the world will soon run out of storage space. :)

    I'm not saying snip it all, but what has become irrelevent
    to the current post. The world thanks you in advance.

    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message news:uZUDGQ%23JFHA.1052@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > nope.
    >
    > :
    > : | : | > | > | >
    > : | : | > | > | >
    > : | : | > | > |
    > : | : | > | >
    > : | : | > | >
    > : | : | > |
    > : | : | > |
    > : | : | >
    > : | : | >
    > : | : |
    > : | : |
    > : | :
    > : | :
    > : |
    > : |
    > :
    > :
    >
    >
  45. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hmm. So, KB891711.exe could be mussing that one, too. Well, let us pray
    MS will fix this thing soon, after putting out that horrific description
    of the vulnerability, that our computers can be totally taken over!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:uZUDGQ%23JFHA.1052@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | nope.
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:unsk2f5JFHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | : Looks like TAPISRV.EXE (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) is
    | : another that launches when I connect. You have that one?
    | :
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | : news:%235ZL9z4JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | : | Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable
    I do
    | : not
    | : | need or use that so it could be a possibility.
    | : |
    | : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | : | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | : | : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    | : dial-up's
    | : | : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    | : running
    | : | : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    | : dial-up's
    | : | : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have
    it.
    | : | :
    | : | : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    | : | : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    | : interfering!
    | : | :
    | : | :
    | : | : --
    | : | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : | : should things get worse after this,
    | : | : PCR
    | : | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    ....snip
  46. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I've just got it turned off in MSConfig. It wasn't that severe for me,
    because "press(ing) any key" on the BSOD actually does get back to
    Windows unscathed. OE even kept working. Wasn't it that way for you?

    I wonder, now that you've uninstalled it, is it still available at
    Windows Update? MS surely must have pulled it to prevent the onslaught
    you predict!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1137uk3bgio2d5e@corp.supernews.com...
    | This update was released... yesterday, correct ? Heaven help you
    helpers of
    | this newsgroup... the real onslaught of posts have yet to arrive.
    |
    | Many or most of these users... won't be able to easily disable the
    process
    | via msconfig., won't know what to do!! They will be going in circles
    | dialing up, launching IE, crashing to BSOD, restarting
    | and....................... will be lost in a cruel loop!!
    |
    | I read nothing in the bulletin... about these trials and
    adversities...
    | SHAME on Microsoft, PCR.
    |
    | How much worse can it get... ?? this has been an eye-opener... !!
    |
    | You uninstalled it too, correct... ?? or do you have it disabled only
    ??
    |
    | Take care... Star
    |
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:Oua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
    | > intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that
    can
    | > be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or
    another.
    | > The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off
    with
    | > a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears
    to
    | > be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be
    they
    | > have made a pact with the cable guy?
    | >
    | > Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
    | > vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to
    Colorado,
    | > before you decide to do without it as he has!
    | >
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | > news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
    | > | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing
    to
    | > BSOD
    | > | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
    | > desktop,
    | > | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after
    BSOD.
    | > I
    | > | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a
    ctl/alt/del
    | > and saw
    | > | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
    | > more.
    | > |
    | > | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after
    launching
    | > dial-up
    | > | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and
    unchecked
    | > the
    | > | puppy and restarted and all was well.
    | > |
    | > | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches,
    first
    | > | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
    | > w/Pc-cillin had
    | > | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was
    dial-up,
    | > that's
    | > | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
    | > ISP's....
    | > | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
    | > |
    | > | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
    | > come for
    | > | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however
    for
    | > | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
    | > |
    | > | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a
    startup
    | > | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
    | > processes
    | > | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
    | > service
    | > | myself after I connect to the Internet.
    | > |
    | > | Star
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | > | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | > | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
    | > dial-up's
    | > | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
    | > running
    | > | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
    | > dial-up's
    | > | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have
    it.
    | > | >
    | > | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
    | > | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
    | > interfering!
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | > --
    | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > | > should things get worse after this,
    | > | > PCR
    | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    | > | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
    ....snip
  47. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I'm sure KB891711.exe won't work on Linux, either!

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:u0BVyQ%23JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | So when are you switching to Linux, PCR if you do not care for
    Microsoft?
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:Oua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | : That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
    | : intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that
    can
    | : be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or
    another.
    | : The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off
    with
    | : a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears
    to
    | : be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be
    they
    | : have made a pact with the cable guy?
    | :
    | : Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
    | : vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to
    Colorado,
    | : before you decide to do without it as he has!
    | :
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    ....snip
  48. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Not necessarily an error, perhaps it was a lie.

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    news:%23GfHBS%23JFHA.2704@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    | Okay an error then.
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:ePCZYh5JFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | : Not necessarily a lie, perhaps just an error.
    | :
    | : --
    | : Thanks or Good Luck,
    | : There may be humor in this post, and,
    | : Naturally, you will not sue,
    | : should things get worse after this,
    | : PCR
    | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
    | : news:u40l7y4JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | : | (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be
    needed
    | : for
    | : | Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to
    | : April issue
    | : | of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x
    | : operating
    | : | system.
    | : |
    | : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    | : ...snip
    | :
    | :
    |
    |
  49. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    It was released on the 8th.
    I use dial-up and haven't noticed any difference.
    --
    mae

    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1137uk3bgio2d5e@corp.supernews.com...
    | This update was released... yesterday, correct ? Heaven help you helpers
    of
    | this newsgroup... the real onslaught of posts have yet to arrive.
    |
    | Many or most of these users... won't be able to easily disable the process
    | via msconfig., won't know what to do!! They will be going in circles
    | dialing up, launching IE, crashing to BSOD, restarting
    | and....................... will be lost in a cruel loop!!
    |
    ---bigsnip-----
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