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a b 8 Security
March 11, 2005 12:43:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were security
related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.

As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour glass.
As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any key
on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)

I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 11, 2005 6:09:03 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98 gets to
the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of death.
I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state before
the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each time I
installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update at
all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the update was
run.

"arun-win98-user" wrote:

> Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were security
> related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
>
> As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour glass.
> As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any key
> on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
>
> I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 11, 2005 9:11:26 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

arun-win98-user wrote:
> Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were security
> related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
>
> As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour glass.
> As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any key
> on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
>
> I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated

as an initial fix you can remove kb891711.exe from the
windows startup list. You may be able to do a boot either in
safe mode or by avoiding any startup programs loading by
holding down the control key during bootup - this will ask
you to confirm each instruction during bootup - just keep
saying yes till you are asked about starting kb891711.exe -
then answer no. Then if you get windows loaded - Start - Run
- msconfig - startup tab and untick the kb891711.exe entry.
This is at your own risk.
Google on kb891711.exe for more info.

--
Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter -
(commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
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March 11, 2005 10:57:12 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with NTFS on
two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update because it
is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people to
patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied this
update.

"Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98 gets
to
: the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of death.
: I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
before
: the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each time
I
: installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update at
: all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the update
was
: run.
:
: "arun-win98-user" wrote:
:
: > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
security
: > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
: >
: > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
glass.
: > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any
key
: > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
: >
: > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 2:35:15 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to load. If
the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it unusable,
then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The reason
for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with the
update, software/hardware or a combination of both.

It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update but
others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then it
should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.

Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
loading in the startup.

From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
02/18/05

Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own folder,
exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with that.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with NTFS
> on
> two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update because
> it
> is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people to
> patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
> engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied
> this
> update.
>
> "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98
> gets
> to
> : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of
> death.
> : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
> before
> : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each
> time
> I
> : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update
> at
> : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
> update
> was
> : run.
> :
> : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> :
> : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
> security
> : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
> : >
> : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
> glass.
> : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch
> any
> key
> : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
> : >
> : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 4:28:22 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...

I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
doing?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
load. If
| the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
unusable,
| then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
reason
| for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
the
| update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
|
| It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
but
| others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
it
| should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
|
| Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
| loading in the startup.
|
| From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
| 02/18/05
|
| Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
folder,
| exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
that.
|
| --
|
| Brian A.
|
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
|
|
| "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
with NTFS
| > on
| > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
because
| > it
| > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
people to
| > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
reverse
| > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
applied
| > this
| > update.
| >
| > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
98
| > gets
| > to
| > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
of
| > death.
| > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
state
| > before
| > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
Each
| > time
| > I
| > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
update
| > at
| > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
| > update
| > was
| > : run.
| > :
| > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| > :
| > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
were
| > security
| > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
| > : >
| > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
hour
| > glass.
| > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
touch
| > any
| > key
| > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
button)
| > : >
| > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
appreciated
| >
| >
|
March 12, 2005 4:28:23 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Possibly, NetZero may be involved. PCR, didn't you have trouble installing
other updates some time ago or am I mistaken? Also, have you tried to run
Mozilla Firefox and see if that browser will run without any trouble?

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
: retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
:
: I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
: Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
: work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
: killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
: doing?
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
: load. If
: | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: unusable,
: | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
: reason
: | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
: the
: | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: |
: | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
: but
: | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
: it
: | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
: |
: | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
: | loading in the startup.
: |
: | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
: | 02/18/05
: |
: | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
: folder,
: | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
: that.
: |
: | --
: |
: | Brian A.
: |
: | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: |
: |
: |
: |
: | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
: with NTFS
: | > on
: | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
: because
: | > it
: | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
: people to
: | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
: reverse
: | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
: applied
: | > this
: | > update.
: | >
: | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
: 98
: | > gets
: | > to
: | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
: of
: | > death.
: | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
: state
: | > before
: | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
: Each
: | > time
: | > I
: | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
: update
: | > at
: | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
: | > update
: | > was
: | > : run.
: | > :
: | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: | > :
: | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
: were
: | > security
: | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
: | > : >
: | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
: hour
: | > glass.
: | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
: touch
: | > any
: | > key
: | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
: button)
: | > : >
: | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
: appreciated
: | >
: | >
: |
:
:
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 4:28:23 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Had you tested with msconfig yet by disabling Startup items?
Leave the KB checked to run along with only the necessary items for Windows
to run and reboot.
If all works then we know it's not the kb alone and maybe another process.
Recheck half the items in the Startup group and reboot.
If all is well, then the answer remains as above. If all goes awry again,
then we know it's something in the half that was rechecked and you need to
start unchecking either half of those and rebooting or unchecking one by one
and rebooting until you find the problem source.

You know the drill, but until we can find out if there's an app in common
causing it or not, no one can point a finger.



--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
> retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
>
> I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
> Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
> work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
> killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
> doing?
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
> load. If
> | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
> unusable,
> | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
> reason
> | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
> the
> | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
> |
> | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
> but
> | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
> it
> | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
> |
> | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
> | loading in the startup.
> |
> | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
> | 02/18/05
> |
> | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
> folder,
> | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
> that.
> |
> | --
> |
> | Brian A.
> |
> | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
> with NTFS
> | > on
> | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
> because
> | > it
> | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
> people to
> | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
> reverse
> | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
> applied
> | > this
> | > update.
> | >
> | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
> 98
> | > gets
> | > to
> | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
> of
> | > death.
> | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
> state
> | > before
> | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
> Each
> | > time
> | > I
> | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
> update
> | > at
> | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
> | > update
> | > was
> | > : run.
> | > :
> | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> | > :
> | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
> were
> | > security
> | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
> | > : >
> | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
> hour
> | > glass.
> | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
> touch
> | > any
> | > key
> | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
> button)
> | > : >
> | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
> appreciated
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
March 12, 2005 4:28:24 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and install
Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do solely
with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla Firefox
to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download it.
Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet other than
NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:efsV2LtJFHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Had you tested with msconfig yet by disabling Startup items?
: Leave the KB checked to run along with only the necessary items for Windows
: to run and reboot.
: If all works then we know it's not the kb alone and maybe another process.
: Recheck half the items in the Startup group and reboot.
: If all is well, then the answer remains as above. If all goes awry again,
: then we know it's something in the half that was rechecked and you need to
: start unchecking either half of those and rebooting or unchecking one by
one
: and rebooting until you find the problem source.
:
: You know the drill, but until we can find out if there's an app in common
: causing it or not, no one can point a finger.
:
:
:
: --
:
: Brian A.
:
: Conflicts start where information lacks.
: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
:
:
: "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
: > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: >
: > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
: > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
: > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
: > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
: > doing?
: >
: >
: > --
: > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > should things get worse after this,
: > PCR
: > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
: > load. If
: > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: > unusable,
: > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
: > reason
: > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
: > the
: > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: > |
: > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
: > but
: > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
: > it
: > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
: > |
: > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
: > | loading in the startup.
: > |
: > | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
: > | 02/18/05
: > |
: > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
: > folder,
: > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
: > that.
: > |
: > | --
: > |
: > | Brian A.
: > |
: > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > |
: > |
: > |
: > |
: > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
: > with NTFS
: > | > on
: > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
: > because
: > | > it
: > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
: > people to
: > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
: > reverse
: > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
: > applied
: > | > this
: > | > update.
: > | >
: > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
: > 98
: > | > gets
: > | > to
: > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
: > of
: > | > death.
: > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
: > state
: > | > before
: > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
: > Each
: > | > time
: > | > I
: > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
: > update
: > | > at
: > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
: > | > update
: > | > was
: > | > : run.
: > | > :
: > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: > | > :
: > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
: > were
: > | > security
: > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
: > | > : >
: > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
: > hour
: > | > glass.
: > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
: > touch
: > | > any
: > | > key
: > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
: > button)
: > | > : >
: > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
: > appreciated
: > | >
: > | >
: > |
: >
: >
:
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 5:22:15 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

There are other apps that activate after I've gone online, like certain
McAfee tentacles & Rnaapp.exe. Also, some of them already activated may
want to do more after detecting a connection. No, haven't any other
browser.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:u2PCoFtJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Possibly, NetZero may be involved. PCR, didn't you have trouble
installing
| other updates some time ago or am I mistaken? Also, have you tried to
run
| Mozilla Firefox and see if that browser will run without any trouble?
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| : I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
in
| : retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
| :
| : I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
online.
| : Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
will
| : work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
| : killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
is
| : doing?
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| : news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| : | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
| : load. If
| : | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
| : unusable,
| : | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
| : reason
| : | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
with
| : the
| : | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
| : |
| : | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
update
| : but
| : | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
then
| : it
| : | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
found.
| : |
| : | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
from
| : | loading in the startup.
| : |
| : | From what I see the update creates a folder
C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| : | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
dated
| : | 02/18/05
| : |
| : | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
own
| : folder,
| : | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
| : that.
| : |
| : | --
| : |
| : | Brian A.
| : |
| : | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| : | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| : |
| : |
| : |
| : |
| : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| : | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| : | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
| : with NTFS
| : | > on
| : | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
update
| : because
| : | > it
| : | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
| : people to
| : | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
to
| : reverse
| : | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
| : applied
| : | > this
| : | > update.
| : | >
| : | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| : | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| : | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
Windows
| : 98
| : | > gets
| : | > to
| : | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
screen
| : of
| : | > death.
| : | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
earlier
| : state
| : | > before
| : | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
fine.
| : Each
| : | > time
| : | > I
| : | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
the
| : update
| : | > at
| : | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
the
| : | > update
| : | > was
| : | > : run.
| : | > :
| : | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| : | > :
| : | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
| : were
| : | > security
| : | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
is.
| : | > : >
| : | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
the
| : hour
| : | > glass.
| : | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
if I
| : touch
| : | > any
| : | > key
| : | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
| : button)
| : | > : >
| : | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
| : appreciated
| : | >
| : | >
| : |
| :
| :
|
|
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 12:18:55 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and install
> Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do solely
> with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
Firefox
> to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download it.
> Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet other
than
> NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
>
I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF goes to a
blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98 terminates
FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option. If this
vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet, then
it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks that
using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 12:57:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash each time I
load it. I get a BSOD upon booting up after the login screen. Thus I can't
troubleshoot anything in 98 as it renders mine unable to load. I have now
restored from an image file 4 times. Is there any way to disable this
critical update on Windows Update?

"Dan" wrote:

> The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with NTFS on
> two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update because it
> is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people to
> patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
> engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied this
> update.
>
> "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98 gets
> to
> : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of death.
> : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
> before
> : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each time
> I
> : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the update at
> : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the update
> was
> : run.
> :
> : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> :
> : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
> security
> : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
> : >
> : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
> glass.
> : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch any
> key
> : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
> : >
> : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly appreciated
>
>
>
March 12, 2005 3:14:00 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I closed IE
and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching &
reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.

I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet dial-up,
but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing ctl/alt/del,
and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a scanreg
/restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!

So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the background
only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I did
finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I had
no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to get
it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.

Star

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
> retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
>
> I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
> Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
> work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
> killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
> doing?
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
> load. If
> | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
> unusable,
> | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
> reason
> | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
> the
> | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
> |
> | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
> but
> | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
> it
> | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
> |
> | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
> | loading in the startup.
> |
> | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
> | 02/18/05
> |
> | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
> folder,
> | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
> that.
> |
> | --
> |
> | Brian A.
> |
> | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
> with NTFS
> | > on
> | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
> because
> | > it
> | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
> people to
> | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
> reverse
> | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
> applied
> | > this
> | > update.
> | >
> | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
> 98
> | > gets
> | > to
> | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
> of
> | > death.
> | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
> state
> | > before
> | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
> Each
> | > time
> | > I
> | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
> update
> | > at
> | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
> | > update
> | > was
> | > : run.
> | > :
> | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> | > :
> | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
> were
> | > security
> | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
> | > : >
> | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
> hour
> | > glass.
> | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
> touch
> | > any
> | > key
> | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
> button)
> | > : >
> | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
> appreciated
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 4:56:20 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Jimmost wrote:
>
> I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash
> each time I load it.
> Is there any way to disable this critical update on Windows
> Update?

When your system is starting, press the F8 key repeatedly when you see
your bios messages appear on the screen. This will let you see the
boot menu.

What you want is to start the system with the command (DOS) prompt.

That should get you a "C:\" prompt (or c:\windows prompt).

At the prompt, change to the directory c:\windows\system\kb891711

There is a file there called kb891711.exe

Rename it to something like kb891711.ex_

The re-start your system. Windows will then not be able to load that
file at startup.

Otherwise, if your computer still doesn't work, then start it in safe
mode and un-install the recent security updates.
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 5:31:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox. The
problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it. My
experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one. Pressing
any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even IE
will work from TIFs.

JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is made...

"A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."

I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having never
seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can cause
it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
|
| "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
install
| > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do
solely
| > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
| Firefox
| > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download
it.
| > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet
other
| than
| > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
| >
| I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
| though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
goes to a
| blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
terminates
| FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option.
If this
| vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet,
then
| it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks
that
| using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
|
|
|
March 12, 2005 7:08:21 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Well now that a patch has been released, bad people will reverse engineer
that patch and will be able to target machines that are not updated that have
Internet access.

"Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and install
: > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do
solely
: > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
: Firefox
: > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download it.
: > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet other
: than
: > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
: >
: I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
: though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF goes to
a
: blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
terminates
: FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option. If
this
: vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet, then
: it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks that
: using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
:
:
:
March 12, 2005 7:09:33 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

It sounds like it may be associated with your hardware. PCR would you be
willing to post your hardware here so we can try and help you. Thanks in
advance, Dan W.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%239lrInzJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox. The
: problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it. My
: experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one. Pressing
: any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
: Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even IE
: will work from TIFs.
:
: JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is made...
:
: "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
:
: I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having never
: seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can cause
: it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
: news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
: |
: | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
: install
: | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to do
: solely
: | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn Mozilla
: | Firefox
: | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to download
: it.
: | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the Internet
: other
: | than
: | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
: | >
: | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my laptop
: | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
: goes to a
: | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
: terminates
: | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software option.
: If this
: | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited yet,
: then
: | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse risks
: that
: | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
: |
: |
: |
:
:
March 12, 2005 7:12:48 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Information is limited on this patch and given on a need to know basis, Star
for reasons of security.

"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
: Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I closed IE
: and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching &
: reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
:
: I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet dial-up,
: but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing ctl/alt/del,
: and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
scanreg
: /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
: others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
:
: So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the background
: only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I did
: finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I had
: no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to get
: it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
:
: Star
:
: "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe in
: > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: >
: > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone online.
: > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs will
: > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
: > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero is
: > doing?
: >
: >
: > --
: > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > should things get worse after this,
: > PCR
: > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
: > load. If
: > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: > unusable,
: > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
: > reason
: > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue with
: > the
: > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: > |
: > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the update
: > but
: > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it, then
: > it
: > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is found.
: > |
: > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU from
: > | loading in the startup.
: > |
: > | From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll dated
: > | 02/18/05
: > |
: > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
: > folder,
: > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
: > that.
: > |
: > | --
: > |
: > | Brian A.
: > |
: > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > |
: > |
: > |
: > |
: > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
: > with NTFS
: > | > on
: > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
: > because
: > | > it
: > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
: > people to
: > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
: > reverse
: > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
: > applied
: > | > this
: > | > update.
: > | >
: > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
: > 98
: > | > gets
: > | > to
: > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
: > of
: > | > death.
: > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
: > state
: > | > before
: > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
: > Each
: > | > time
: > | > I
: > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
: > update
: > | > at
: > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
: > | > update
: > | > was
: > | > : run.
: > | > :
: > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: > | > :
: > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
: > were
: > | > security
: > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
: > | > : >
: > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
: > hour
: > | > glass.
: > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
: > touch
: > | > any
: > | > key
: > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
: > button)
: > | > : >
: > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
: > appreciated
: > | >
: > | >
: > |
: >
: >
:
:
March 12, 2005 7:13:41 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

You need to find out the programs that are causing problems and if you have
associated baddies on your machine and or flawed hardware.

"Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A4EDFD01-6867-4A02-9392-4ABD2B1E370A@microsoft.com...
: I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash each time I
: load it. I get a BSOD upon booting up after the login screen. Thus I
can't
: troubleshoot anything in 98 as it renders mine unable to load. I have now
: restored from an image file 4 times. Is there any way to disable this
: critical update on Windows Update?
:
: "Dan" wrote:
:
: > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO with
NTFS on
: > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
because it
: > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer people
to
: > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to reverse
: > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not applied
this
: > update.
: >
: > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows 98
gets
: > to
: > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen of
death.
: > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier state
: > before
: > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine. Each
time
: > I
: > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
update at
: > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
update
: > was
: > : run.
: > :
: > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: > :
: > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they were
: > security
: > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
: > : >
: > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the hour
: > glass.
: > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I touch
any
: > key
: > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset button)
: > : >
: > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
appreciated
: >
: >
: >
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 8:55:59 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
.......Quote.........
Caveats: None
.......EOQ...........

BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
your post's Properties & mine...

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441

....I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
| Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
| PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
| Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
closed IE
| and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
&
| reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
|
| I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
dial-up,
| but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
ctl/alt/del,
| and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
scanreg
| /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
| others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
|
| So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
background
| only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
did
| finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
had
| no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
get
| it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
|
| Star
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
in
| > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
| >
| > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
online.
| > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
will
| > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
| > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
is
| > doing?
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
| > load. If
| > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
| > unusable,
| > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
| > reason
| > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
with
| > the
| > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
| > |
| > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
update
| > but
| > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
then
| > it
| > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
found.
| > |
| > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
from
| > | loading in the startup.
| > |
| > | From what I see the update creates a folder
C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
dated
| > | 02/18/05
| > |
| > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
own
| > folder,
| > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
| > that.
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | Brian A.
| > |
| > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
| > with NTFS
| > | > on
| > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
update
| > because
| > | > it
| > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
| > people to
| > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
to
| > reverse
| > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
| > applied
| > | > this
| > | > update.
| > | >
| > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
Windows
| > 98
| > | > gets
| > | > to
| > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
screen
| > of
| > | > death.
| > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
earlier
| > state
| > | > before
| > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
fine.
| > Each
| > | > time
| > | > I
| > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
the
| > update
| > | > at
| > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
the
| > | > update
| > | > was
| > | > : run.
| > | > :
| > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| > | > :
| > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
| > were
| > | > security
| > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
is.
| > | > : >
| > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
the
| > hour
| > | > glass.
| > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
if I
| > touch
| > | > any
| > | > key
| > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
| > button)
| > | > : >
| > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
| > appreciated
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
March 12, 2005 8:56:00 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

PCR,
I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up. Mine,
was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!! However, IE
worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I have
created. And, OE worked fine too.

I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it after
reading and then reading here in the the group!!

**SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a dial-up
environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system, plus
my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up and
running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!

Star

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
> ......Quote.........
> Caveats: None
> ......EOQ...........
>
> BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
> easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
> vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
> mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
> to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
> like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
> your post's Properties & mine...
>
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
>
> ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
> is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
> | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
> | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
> | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
> closed IE
> | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
> &
> | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
> |
> | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
> dial-up,
> | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
> ctl/alt/del,
> | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
> scanreg
> | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
> | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
> |
> | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
> background
> | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
> did
> | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
> had
> | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
> get
> | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
> |
> | Star
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
> in
> | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
> | >
> | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
> online.
> | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
> will
> | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
> | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
> is
> | > doing?
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
> | > load. If
> | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
> | > unusable,
> | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
> | > reason
> | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
> with
> | > the
> | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
> | > |
> | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
> update
> | > but
> | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
> then
> | > it
> | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
> found.
> | > |
> | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
> from
> | > | loading in the startup.
> | > |
> | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
> C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
> dated
> | > | 02/18/05
> | > |
> | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
> own
> | > folder,
> | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
> | > that.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > |
> | > | Brian A.
> | > |
> | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
> | > with NTFS
> | > | > on
> | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
> update
> | > because
> | > | > it
> | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
> | > people to
> | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
> to
> | > reverse
> | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
> | > applied
> | > | > this
> | > | > update.
> | > | >
> | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
> Windows
> | > 98
> | > | > gets
> | > | > to
> | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
> screen
> | > of
> | > | > death.
> | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
> earlier
> | > state
> | > | > before
> | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
> fine.
> | > Each
> | > | > time
> | > | > I
> | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
> the
> | > update
> | > | > at
> | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
> the
> | > | > update
> | > | > was
> | > | > : run.
> | > | > :
> | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> | > | > :
> | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
> | > were
> | > | > security
> | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
> is.
> | > | > : >
> | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
> the
> | > hour
> | > | > glass.
> | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
> if I
> | > touch
> | > | > any
> | > | > key
> | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
> | > button)
> | > | > : >
> | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
> | > appreciated
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 9:02:27 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

(1) Boot to Safe Mode (hold F5 or CTRL as you boot).
(2) "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab".
(3) Uncheck "KB891711" in the Startup tab.
(4) Reboot to Normal Mode.

Probably something else in the Startup Group is trying to access the NET
as you boot & open IE or another browser. That is why you can't even
boot.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A4EDFD01-6867-4A02-9392-4ABD2B1E370A@microsoft.com...
| I've confirmed that the KB891711 update causes my 98SE to crash each
time I
| load it. I get a BSOD upon booting up after the login screen. Thus I
can't
| troubleshoot anything in 98 as it renders mine unable to load. I have
now
| restored from an image file 4 times. Is there any way to disable this
| critical update on Windows Update?
|
| "Dan" wrote:
|
| > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
with NTFS on
| > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this update
because it
| > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
people to
| > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able to
reverse
| > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
applied this
| > update.
| >
| > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| > : I had similar problems after installing the same update. Windows
98 gets
| > to
| > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue screen
of death.
| > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an earlier
state
| > before
| > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked fine.
Each time
| > I
| > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod the
update at
| > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before the
update
| > was
| > : run.
| > :
| > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| > :
| > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
were
| > security
| > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it is.
| > : >
| > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and the
hour
| > glass.
| > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and if I
touch any
| > key
| > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
button)
| > : >
| > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
appreciated
| >
| >
| >
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 9:31:22 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Dan wrote:

> Information is limited on this patch and given on a need to know
> basis, Star for reasons of security.

I believe the links on this page are examples of code designed to
exploit this vulnerability:

http://www.xfocus.net/flashsky/icoExp/index.html

This link seems to give very detailed info about the vulnerability:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=1103828917180...

Both of those come from here:

http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2...
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 9:41:00 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

No. You can't see my hardware!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:o 57ZKi1JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| It sounds like it may be associated with your hardware. PCR would you
be
| willing to post your hardware here so we can try and help you. Thanks
in
| advance, Dan W.
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%239lrInzJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox.
The
| : problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it.
My
| : experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one.
Pressing
| : any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
| : Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even
IE
| : will work from TIFs.
| :
| : JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is
made...
| :
| : "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
| :
| : I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having
never
| : seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can
cause
| : it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
| : news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
| : |
| : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| : | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| : | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
| : install
| : | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to
do
| : solely
| : | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn
Mozilla
| : | Firefox
| : | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to
download
| : it.
| : | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the
Internet
| : other
| : | than
| : | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
| : | >
| : | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my
laptop
| : | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
| : goes to a
| : | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
| : terminates
| : | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software
option.
| : If this
| : | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited
yet,
| : then
| : | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse
risks
| : that
| : | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
| : |
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 10:30:26 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

PCR wrote:
> Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
> ......Quote.........
> Caveats: None
> ......EOQ...........
>
> BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped!

Nope, I'm sure.

> In fact, it could easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it
makes that
> vulnerability sound.

Nope. I'm with Elliot Ness - so it can't touch me.

> (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
> mat not be needed for Win98 after all.)

None of them are "needed", per se.

>We would have had to wait a bit...

Yup. Like.....how does an eternity sound to ya? (Sounds good to me).

> to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
> like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.

I'm fine, thank you. But you have my condolences, however.
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 12, 2005 10:55:07 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all dial-up's
suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not running
until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all dial-up's
aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.

I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for interfering!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
| PCR,
| I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
Mine,
| was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
However, IE
| worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
have
| created. And, OE worked fine too.
|
| I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
| group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
after
| reading and then reading here in the the group!!
|
| **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
dial-up
| environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
system, plus
| my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
and
| running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
|
| Star
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
..docs...
| > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
| > ......Quote.........
| > Caveats: None
| > ......EOQ...........
| >
| > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
| > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
| > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
[KB891711]
| > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
bit,
| > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
Sounds
| > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking
at
| > your post's Properties & mine...
| >
| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
| >
| > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
So
| > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
| > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
| > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
it's
| > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
| > closed IE
| > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
seaching
| > &
| > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
| > |
| > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
| > dial-up,
| > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
| > ctl/alt/del,
| > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
a
| > scanreg
| > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
searchs...
| > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
| > |
| > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
| > background
| > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
I
| > did
| > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
and I
| > had
| > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
to
| > get
| > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
| > |
| > | Star
| > |
| > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
KB891711.exe
| > in
| > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
| > | >
| > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
| > online.
| > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
URLs
| > will
| > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
after
| > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
NetZero
| > is
| > | > doing?
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
to
| > | > load. If
| > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
| > | > unusable,
| > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
The
| > | > reason
| > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
issue
| > with
| > | > the
| > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
| > | > |
| > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
| > update
| > | > but
| > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with
it,
| > then
| > | > it
| > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
| > found.
| > | > |
| > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
CU
| > from
| > | > | loading in the startup.
| > | > |
| > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
| > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
| > dated
| > | > | 02/18/05
| > | > |
| > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
it's
| > own
| > | > folder,
| > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
with
| > | > that.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > |
| > | > | Brian A.
| > | > |
| > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
XPPRO
| > | > with NTFS
| > | > | > on
| > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
| > update
| > | > because
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
computer
| > | > people to
| > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
able
| > to
| > | > reverse
| > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
not
| > | > applied
| > | > | > this
| > | > | > update.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
| > Windows
| > | > 98
| > | > | > gets
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
| > screen
| > | > of
| > | > | > death.
| > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
| > earlier
| > | > state
| > | > | > before
| > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
| > fine.
| > | > Each
| > | > | > time
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
Aviod
| > the
| > | > update
| > | > | > at
| > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
before
| > the
| > | > | > update
| > | > | > was
| > | > | > : run.
| > | > | > :
| > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| > | > | > :
| > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
(they
| > | > were
| > | > | > security
| > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
here it
| > is.
| > | > | > : >
| > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
and
| > the
| > | > hour
| > | > | > glass.
| > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
and
| > if I
| > | > touch
| > | > | > any
| > | > | > key
| > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
reset
| > | > button)
| > | > | > : >
| > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
greatly
| > | > appreciated
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
March 13, 2005 1:18:02 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Well suite yourself, then.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ubUo1y1JFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: No. You can't see my hardware!
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:o 57ZKi1JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: | It sounds like it may be associated with your hardware. PCR would you
: be
: | willing to post your hardware here so we can try and help you. Thanks
: in
: | advance, Dan W.
: |
: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | news:%239lrInzJFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: | : I think you have conclusively answered Dan's question about Firefox.
: The
: | : problem happens with or without it being used, as I don't have it.
: My
: | : experience is just like yours. But, the BSOD is an orderly one.
: Pressing
: | : any key retains my NetZero internet connection, & I may use OE &
: | : Explorer with no crash. Before establishing the NET connection, even
: IE
: | : will work from TIFs.
: | :
: | : JUST, IE will always give that same BSOD after the connection is
: made...
: | :
: | : "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
: | :
: | : I am grateful, though, that I will not go to my deathbed having
: never
: | : seen an orderly one of those! It is stunning how many times I can
: cause
: | : it & "press(ing) any key" will get me back to Windows unscathed!
: | :
: | :
: | : --
: | : Thanks or Good Luck,
: | : There may be humor in this post, and,
: | : Naturally, you will not sue,
: | : should things get worse after this,
: | : PCR
: | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | : "Moshup Trail" <moshuptrail@noreply.com> wrote in message
: | : news:8bidnT4IdI3YZ6_fRVn-2w@adelphia.com...
: | : |
: | : | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | : | news:u1XmpitJFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | : | > Great advice, Brian. PCR, would you be willing to download and
: | : install
: | : | > Mozilla Firefox just to try it out and see if the problem has to
: do
: | : solely
: | : | > with IE with your NetZero ISP. Also, maybe someone can burn
: Mozilla
: | : | Firefox
: | : | > to cd and you can install it that way if you are unable to
: download
: | : it.
: | : | > Finally, do you have an alternative way to connect to the
: Internet
: | : other
: | : | than
: | : | > NetZero to see if this ISP is the cause?
: | : | >
: | : | I don't use NetZero. Cable. (I have a wireless adapter in my
: laptop
: | : | though) On my Win98se this update completely stopped FireFox. FF
: | : goes to a
: | : | blue screen "fatal exception 0D" as soon as you start it, and W98
: | : terminates
: | : | FF. I have removed the update using the uninstall software
: option.
: | : If this
: | : | vulnerability has been around since W98 and hasn't been exploited
: yet,
: | : then
: | : | it would seem to be pretty low risk. There must be far worse
: risks
: | : that
: | : | using FireFox instead of IE will defeat.
: | : |
: | : |
: | : |
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
:
:
March 13, 2005 1:23:09 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

(But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be needed for
Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to April issue
of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x operating
system.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: ......Quote.........
: Caveats: None
: ......EOQ...........
:
: BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
: easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
: vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
: mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
: to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
: like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
: your post's Properties & mine...
:
: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
:
: ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
: is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
: | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
: closed IE
: | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
: &
: | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
: |
: | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
: dial-up,
: | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
: ctl/alt/del,
: | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
: scanreg
: | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
: | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
: |
: | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
: background
: | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
: did
: | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
: had
: | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
: get
: | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
: |
: | Star
: |
: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
: in
: | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: | >
: | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
: online.
: | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
: will
: | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
: | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
: is
: | > doing?
: | >
: | >
: | > --
: | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | > should things get worse after this,
: | > PCR
: | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
: | > load. If
: | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: | > unusable,
: | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
: | > reason
: | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
: with
: | > the
: | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: | > |
: | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
: update
: | > but
: | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
: then
: | > it
: | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
: found.
: | > |
: | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
: from
: | > | loading in the startup.
: | > |
: | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
: C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
: dated
: | > | 02/18/05
: | > |
: | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
: own
: | > folder,
: | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
: | > that.
: | > |
: | > | --
: | > |
: | > | Brian A.
: | > |
: | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: | > |
: | > |
: | > |
: | > |
: | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
: | > with NTFS
: | > | > on
: | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
: update
: | > because
: | > | > it
: | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
: | > people to
: | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
: to
: | > reverse
: | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
: | > applied
: | > | > this
: | > | > update.
: | > | >
: | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
: Windows
: | > 98
: | > | > gets
: | > | > to
: | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
: screen
: | > of
: | > | > death.
: | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
: earlier
: | > state
: | > | > before
: | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
: fine.
: | > Each
: | > | > time
: | > | > I
: | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
: the
: | > update
: | > | > at
: | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
: the
: | > | > update
: | > | > was
: | > | > : run.
: | > | > :
: | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: | > | > :
: | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
: | > were
: | > | > security
: | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
: is.
: | > | > : >
: | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
: the
: | > hour
: | > | > glass.
: | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
: if I
: | > touch
: | > | > any
: | > | > key
: | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
: | > button)
: | > | > : >
: | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
: | > appreciated
: | > | >
: | > | >
: | > |
: | >
: | >
: |
: |
:
:
March 13, 2005 1:23:59 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Sure Microsoft made a goof but we all should be happy that it was released.

"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
: PCR,
: I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up. Mine,
: was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!! However,
IE
: worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I have
: created. And, OE worked fine too.
:
: I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
: group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it after
: reading and then reading here in the the group!!
:
: **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a dial-up
: environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system,
plus
: my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up and
: running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
:
: Star
:
: "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: > ......Quote.........
: > Caveats: None
: > ......EOQ...........
: >
: > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
: > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
: > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
: > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a bit,
: > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves. Sounds
: > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
: > your post's Properties & mine...
: >
: > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
: > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
: >
: > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine. So
: > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
: >
: >
: > --
: > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > should things get worse after this,
: > PCR
: > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via it's
: > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
: > closed IE
: > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle seaching
: > &
: > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
: > |
: > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
: > dial-up,
: > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
: > ctl/alt/del,
: > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
: > scanreg
: > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google searchs...
: > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
: > |
: > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
: > background
: > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!! I
: > did
: > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and I
: > had
: > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided to
: > get
: > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
: > |
: > | Star
: > |
: > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with KB891711.exe
: > in
: > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: > | >
: > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
: > online.
: > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
: > will
: > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work, after
: > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something NetZero
: > is
: > | > doing?
: > | >
: > | >
: > | > --
: > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > | > should things get worse after this,
: > | > PCR
: > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows to
: > | > load. If
: > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: > | > unusable,
: > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended. The
: > | > reason
: > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an issue
: > with
: > | > the
: > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: > | > |
: > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
: > update
: > | > but
: > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
: > then
: > | > it
: > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
: > found.
: > | > |
: > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the CU
: > from
: > | > | loading in the startup.
: > | > |
: > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
: > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
: > dated
: > | > | 02/18/05
: > | > |
: > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
: > own
: > | > folder,
: > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
: > | > that.
: > | > |
: > | > | --
: > | > |
: > | > | Brian A.
: > | > |
: > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > | > |
: > | > |
: > | > |
: > | > |
: > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and XPPRO
: > | > with NTFS
: > | > | > on
: > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
: > update
: > | > because
: > | > | > it
: > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with computer
: > | > people to
: > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
: > to
: > | > reverse
: > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have not
: > | > applied
: > | > | > this
: > | > | > update.
: > | > | >
: > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
: > Windows
: > | > 98
: > | > | > gets
: > | > | > to
: > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
: > screen
: > | > of
: > | > | > death.
: > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
: > earlier
: > | > state
: > | > | > before
: > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
: > fine.
: > | > Each
: > | > | > time
: > | > | > I
: > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash. Aviod
: > the
: > | > update
: > | > | > at
: > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to before
: > the
: > | > | > update
: > | > | > was
: > | > | > : run.
: > | > | > :
: > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: > | > | > :
: > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches (they
: > | > were
: > | > | > security
: > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here it
: > is.
: > | > | > : >
: > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse and
: > the
: > | > hour
: > | > | > glass.
: > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
: > if I
: > | > touch
: > | > | > any
: > | > | > key
: > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the reset
: > | > button)
: > | > | > : >
: > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
: > | > appreciated
: > | > | >
: > | > | >
: > | > |
: > | >
: > | >
: > |
: > |
: >
: >
:
:
March 13, 2005 1:24:59 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable I do not
need or use that so it could be a possibility.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all dial-up's
: suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not running
: until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all dial-up's
: aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
:
: I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
: candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for interfering!
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
: | PCR,
: | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
: Mine,
: | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
: However, IE
: | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
: have
: | created. And, OE worked fine too.
: |
: | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
: | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
: after
: | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
: |
: | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
: dial-up
: | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
: system, plus
: | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
: and
: | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
: |
: | Star
: |
: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
: .docs...
: | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: | > ......Quote.........
: | > Caveats: None
: | > ......EOQ...........
: | >
: | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
: | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
: | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
: [KB891711]
: | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
: bit,
: | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
: Sounds
: | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking
: at
: | > your post's Properties & mine...
: | >
: | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
: | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
: | >
: | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
: So
: | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
: | >
: | >
: | > --
: | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | > should things get worse after this,
: | > PCR
: | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
: it's
: | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
: | > closed IE
: | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
: seaching
: | > &
: | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
: | > |
: | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
: | > dial-up,
: | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
: | > ctl/alt/del,
: | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
: a
: | > scanreg
: | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
: searchs...
: | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
: | > |
: | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
: | > background
: | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
: I
: | > did
: | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
: and I
: | > had
: | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
: to
: | > get
: | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
: | > |
: | > | Star
: | > |
: | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
: KB891711.exe
: | > in
: | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: | > | >
: | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
: | > online.
: | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
: URLs
: | > will
: | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
: after
: | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
: NetZero
: | > is
: | > | > doing?
: | > | >
: | > | >
: | > | > --
: | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | > | > should things get worse after this,
: | > | > PCR
: | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
: to
: | > | > load. If
: | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: | > | > unusable,
: | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
: The
: | > | > reason
: | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
: issue
: | > with
: | > | > the
: | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
: | > update
: | > | > but
: | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with
: it,
: | > then
: | > | > it
: | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
: | > found.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
: CU
: | > from
: | > | > | loading in the startup.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
: | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
: | > dated
: | > | > | 02/18/05
: | > | > |
: | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
: it's
: | > own
: | > | > folder,
: | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
: with
: | > | > that.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | --
: | > | > |
: | > | > | Brian A.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: | > | > |
: | > | > |
: | > | > |
: | > | > |
: | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
: XPPRO
: | > | > with NTFS
: | > | > | > on
: | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
: | > update
: | > | > because
: | > | > | > it
: | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
: computer
: | > | > people to
: | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
: able
: | > to
: | > | > reverse
: | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
: not
: | > | > applied
: | > | > | > this
: | > | > | > update.
: | > | > | >
: | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
: message
: | > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
: | > Windows
: | > | > 98
: | > | > | > gets
: | > | > | > to
: | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
: | > screen
: | > | > of
: | > | > | > death.
: | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
: | > earlier
: | > | > state
: | > | > | > before
: | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
: | > fine.
: | > | > Each
: | > | > | > time
: | > | > | > I
: | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
: Aviod
: | > the
: | > | > update
: | > | > | > at
: | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
: before
: | > the
: | > | > | > update
: | > | > | > was
: | > | > | > : run.
: | > | > | > :
: | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: | > | > | > :
: | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
: (they
: | > | > were
: | > | > | > security
: | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
: here it
: | > is.
: | > | > | > : >
: | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
: and
: | > the
: | > | > hour
: | > | > | > glass.
: | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
: and
: | > if I
: | > | > touch
: | > | > | > any
: | > | > | > key
: | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
: reset
: | > | > button)
: | > | > | > : >
: | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
: greatly
: | > | > appreciated
: | > | > | >
: | > | > | >
: | > | > |
: | > | >
: | > | >
: | > |
: | > |
: | >
: | >
: |
: |
:
:
March 13, 2005 1:29:27 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Thank you and thanks to the people from Eyee for finding this vulnerability.
They must be working really hard.

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA05-012A.html

http://eeye.com/html/index.html

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42337BCA.21A37DB0@Guy.com...
: Dan wrote:
:
: > Information is limited on this patch and given on a need to know
: > basis, Star for reasons of security.
:
: I believe the links on this page are examples of code designed to
: exploit this vulnerability:
:
: http://www.xfocus.net/flashsky/icoExp/index.html
:
: This link seems to give very detailed info about the vulnerability:
:
: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=1103828917180...
:
: Both of those come from here:
:
: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2...
March 13, 2005 2:12:18 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to BSOD
the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the desktop,
like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD. I
disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del and saw
it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing more.

After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching dial-up
connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked the
puppy and restarted and all was well.

Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others w/Pc-cillin had
the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up, that's
what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or ISP's....
it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.

Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how come for
the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???

For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional processes
added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave service
myself after I connect to the Internet.

Star


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all dial-up's
> suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not running
> until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all dial-up's
> aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
>
> I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
> candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for interfering!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
> | PCR,
> | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
> Mine,
> | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
> However, IE
> | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
> have
> | created. And, OE worked fine too.
> |
> | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
> | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
> after
> | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
> |
> | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
> dial-up
> | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
> system, plus
> | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
> and
> | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
> |
> | Star
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
> .docs...
> | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
> | > ......Quote.........
> | > Caveats: None
> | > ......EOQ...........
> | >
> | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
> | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
> | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
> [KB891711]
> | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
> bit,
> | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
> Sounds
> | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking
> at
> | > your post's Properties & mine...
> | >
> | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
> | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
> | >
> | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
> So
> | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
> | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
> | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
> it's
> | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
> | > closed IE
> | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
> seaching
> | > &
> | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
> | > |
> | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
> | > dial-up,
> | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
> | > ctl/alt/del,
> | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
> a
> | > scanreg
> | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
> searchs...
> | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
> | > |
> | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
> | > background
> | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
> I
> | > did
> | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
> and I
> | > had
> | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
> to
> | > get
> | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
> | > |
> | > | Star
> | > |
> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
> KB891711.exe
> | > in
> | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
> | > | >
> | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
> | > online.
> | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
> URLs
> | > will
> | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
> after
> | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
> NetZero
> | > is
> | > | > doing?
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > | > should things get worse after this,
> | > | > PCR
> | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
> to
> | > | > load. If
> | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
> | > | > unusable,
> | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
> The
> | > | > reason
> | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
> issue
> | > with
> | > | > the
> | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
> | > update
> | > | > but
> | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with
> it,
> | > then
> | > | > it
> | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
> | > found.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
> CU
> | > from
> | > | > | loading in the startup.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
> | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
> | > dated
> | > | > | 02/18/05
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
> it's
> | > own
> | > | > folder,
> | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
> with
> | > | > that.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | --
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Brian A.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
> XPPRO
> | > | > with NTFS
> | > | > | > on
> | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
> | > update
> | > | > because
> | > | > | > it
> | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
> computer
> | > | > people to
> | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
> able
> | > to
> | > | > reverse
> | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
> not
> | > | > applied
> | > | > | > this
> | > | > | > update.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> | > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
> | > Windows
> | > | > 98
> | > | > | > gets
> | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
> | > screen
> | > | > of
> | > | > | > death.
> | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
> | > earlier
> | > | > state
> | > | > | > before
> | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
> | > fine.
> | > | > Each
> | > | > | > time
> | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
> Aviod
> | > the
> | > | > update
> | > | > | > at
> | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
> before
> | > the
> | > | > | > update
> | > | > | > was
> | > | > | > : run.
> | > | > | > :
> | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> | > | > | > :
> | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
> (they
> | > | > were
> | > | > | > security
> | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
> here it
> | > is.
> | > | > | > : >
> | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
> and
> | > the
> | > | > hour
> | > | > | > glass.
> | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
> and
> | > if I
> | > | > touch
> | > | > | > any
> | > | > | > key
> | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
> reset
> | > | > button)
> | > | > | > : >
> | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
> greatly
> | > | > appreciated
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
March 13, 2005 2:17:36 AM

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And, Yes Dan, I still say, **SHAME** on Microsoft.

If... you were on dial-up, you wouldn't be a *happy camper, and then for
sure,
I would like to see your letter to Microsoft* !!

Really think about it Dan, think of the users affected... this is a **BIG**
goof !!

Star

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:u3DnZz4JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Sure Microsoft made a goof but we all should be happy that it was
released.
>
> "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
> : PCR,
> : I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
Mine,
> : was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
However,
> IE
> : worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
have
> : created. And, OE worked fine too.
> :
> : I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
> : group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it after
> : reading and then reading here in the the group!!
> :
> : **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
dial-up
> : environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system,
> plus
> : my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
and
> : running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
> :
> : Star
> :
> : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> : news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> : > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
> : > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
> : > ......Quote.........
> : > Caveats: None
> : > ......EOQ...........
> : >
> : > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
> : > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
> : > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
[KB891711]
> : > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
bit,
> : > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
Sounds
> : > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
> : > your post's Properties & mine...
> : >
> : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
> : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
> : >
> : > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
So
> : > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Thanks or Good Luck,
> : > There may be humor in this post, and,
> : > Naturally, you will not sue,
> : > should things get worse after this,
> : > PCR
> : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> : > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> : > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
> : > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
> : > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
it's
> : > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
> : > closed IE
> : > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
seaching
> : > &
> : > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
> : > |
> : > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
> : > dial-up,
> : > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
> : > ctl/alt/del,
> : > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do a
> : > scanreg
> : > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
searchs...
> : > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
> : > |
> : > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
> : > background
> : > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
I
> : > did
> : > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se and
I
> : > had
> : > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
to
> : > get
> : > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
> : > |
> : > | Star
> : > |
> : > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> : > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
KB891711.exe
> : > in
> : > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
> : > | >
> : > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
> : > online.
> : > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
> : > will
> : > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
after
> : > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
NetZero
> : > is
> : > | > doing?
> : > | >
> : > | >
> : > | > --
> : > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> : > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> : > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> : > | > should things get worse after this,
> : > | > PCR
> : > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> : > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> : > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> : > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
to
> : > | > load. If
> : > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
> : > | > unusable,
> : > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
The
> : > | > reason
> : > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
issue
> : > with
> : > | > the
> : > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
> : > | > |
> : > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
> : > update
> : > | > but
> : > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
> : > then
> : > | > it
> : > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
> : > found.
> : > | > |
> : > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
CU
> : > from
> : > | > | loading in the startup.
> : > | > |
> : > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
> : > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> : > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
> : > dated
> : > | > | 02/18/05
> : > | > |
> : > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
> : > own
> : > | > folder,
> : > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
with
> : > | > that.
> : > | > |
> : > | > | --
> : > | > |
> : > | > | Brian A.
> : > | > |
> : > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> : > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> : > | > |
> : > | > |
> : > | > |
> : > | > |
> : > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
XPPRO
> : > | > with NTFS
> : > | > | > on
> : > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
> : > update
> : > | > because
> : > | > | > it
> : > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
computer
> : > | > people to
> : > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are able
> : > to
> : > | > reverse
> : > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
not
> : > | > applied
> : > | > | > this
> : > | > | > update.
> : > | > | >
> : > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> : > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> : > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
> : > Windows
> : > | > 98
> : > | > | > gets
> : > | > | > to
> : > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
> : > screen
> : > | > of
> : > | > | > death.
> : > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
> : > earlier
> : > | > state
> : > | > | > before
> : > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
> : > fine.
> : > | > Each
> : > | > | > time
> : > | > | > I
> : > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
Aviod
> : > the
> : > | > update
> : > | > | > at
> : > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
before
> : > the
> : > | > | > update
> : > | > | > was
> : > | > | > : run.
> : > | > | > :
> : > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> : > | > | > :
> : > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
(they
> : > | > were
> : > | > | > security
> : > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here
it
> : > is.
> : > | > | > : >
> : > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
and
> : > the
> : > | > hour
> : > | > | > glass.
> : > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS and
> : > if I
> : > | > touch
> : > | > | > any
> : > | > | > key
> : > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
reset
> : > | > button)
> : > | > | > : >
> : > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be greatly
> : > | > appreciated
> : > | > | >
> : > | > | >
> : > | > |
> : > | >
> : > | >
> : > |
> : > |
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 13, 2005 3:48:47 AM

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http://www.lyricalcontent.com/ugcs.php?q=Turn_Turn_Turn...
........Quote...........
To everything, turn, turn, turn
There is a season, turn, turn, turn
And a time to every purpose under heaven
A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together
........EOQ.............

That's the one I was trying to get that first time, Colorado. Your
season has arrived. But I'm STILL going to take KB891711.exe again, if
they can get it right!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eWwxfS3JFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
..docs...
| > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
| > ......Quote.........
| > Caveats: None
| > ......EOQ...........
| >
| > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped!
|
| Nope, I'm sure.
|
| > In fact, it could easily scare one into installing it, horrific as
it
| makes that
| > vulnerability sound.
|
| Nope. I'm with Elliot Ness - so it can't touch me.
|
| > (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
| > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.)
|
| None of them are "needed", per se.
|
| >We would have had to wait a bit...
|
| Yup. Like.....how does an eternity sound to ya? (Sounds good to
me).
|
| > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
Sounds
| > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
|
| I'm fine, thank you. But you have my condolences, however.
|
|
March 13, 2005 3:48:48 AM

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Smart Move PCR

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:udmCUA5JFHA.2576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: http://www.lyricalcontent.com/ugcs.php?q=Turn_Turn_Turn...
: .......Quote...........
: To everything, turn, turn, turn
: There is a season, turn, turn, turn
: And a time to every purpose under heaven
: A time to build up, a time to break down
: A time to dance, a time to mourn
: A time to cast away stones
: A time to gather stones together
: .......EOQ.............
:
: That's the one I was trying to get that first time, Colorado. Your
: season has arrived. But I'm STILL going to take KB891711.exe again, if
: they can get it right!
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
: news:eWwxfS3JFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: | PCR wrote:
: | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
: .docs...
: | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: | > ......Quote.........
: | > Caveats: None
: | > ......EOQ...........
: | >
: | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped!
: |
: | Nope, I'm sure.
: |
: | > In fact, it could easily scare one into installing it, horrific as
: it
: | makes that
: | > vulnerability sound.
: |
: | Nope. I'm with Elliot Ness - so it can't touch me.
: |
: | > (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711]
: | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.)
: |
: | None of them are "needed", per se.
: |
: | >We would have had to wait a bit...
: |
: | Yup. Like.....how does an eternity sound to ya? (Sounds good to
: me).
: |
: | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
: Sounds
: | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
: |
: | I'm fine, thank you. But you have my condolences, however.
: |
: |
:
:
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 13, 2005 4:39:57 AM

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Hope springs eternal.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:%23rCp$x4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| I am sure it will be updated PCR. Maybe in April if we are fortunate
and
| maybe Microsoft will integrate it more fully into Add/Remove Programs
so that
| it does not have to be a running process -- we can only hope.
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:o 6K3QV2JFHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : I've never had a virus, either, nor has McAfee ever warned that one
was
| : trying. And McAfee works fine at...
| : http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
| : , passing all four tests! Of course, all badies are not a virus or
| : diagnosed as such on a timely basis. That is, SOMEONE has to get it
| : first, before it can be put into the definitions.
| :
| : I'm thinking, as complaints mount & mount, MS will release an
updated
| : version of KB891711.exe.
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
....snip
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 13, 2005 4:45:12 AM

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Looks like TAPISRV.EXE (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) is
another that launches when I connect. You have that one?


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Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
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pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:%235ZL9z4JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable I do
not
| need or use that so it could be a possibility.
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
dial-up's
| : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
running
| : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
dial-up's
| : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
| :
| : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
| : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
interfering!
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| : news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
| : | PCR,
| : | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
dial-up.
| : Mine,
| : | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
| : However, IE
| : | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
that I
| : have
| : | created. And, OE worked fine too.
| : |
| : | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
the
| : | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
| : after
| : | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
| : |
| : | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
| : dial-up
| : | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
| : system, plus
| : | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
starting-up
| : and
| : | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
| : |
| : | Star
| : |
| : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| : | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
| : .docs...
| : | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
| : | > ......Quote.........
| : | > Caveats: None
| : | > ......EOQ...........
| : | >
| : | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
could
| : | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
| : | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
| : [KB891711]
| : | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
wait a
| : bit,
| : | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
ourselves.
| : Sounds
| : | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
Looking
| : at
| : | > your post's Properties & mine...
| : | >
| : | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
| : | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
| : | >
| : | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
fine.
| : So
| : | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
| : | >
| : | >
| : | > --
| : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| : | > should things get worse after this,
| : | > PCR
| : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| : | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
| : | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
| : | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
via
| : it's
| : | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
I
| : | > closed IE
| : | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
| : seaching
| : | > &
| : | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
ago.
| : | > |
| : | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
Internet
| : | > dial-up,
| : | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
| : | > ctl/alt/del,
| : | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
and do
| : a
| : | > scanreg
| : | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
| : searchs...
| : | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
me!!
| : | > |
| : | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
| : | > background
| : | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
news!!
| : I
| : | > did
| : | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
W98-se
| : and I
| : | > had
| : | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
decided
| : to
| : | > get
| : | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
| : | > |
| : | > | Star
| : | > |
| : | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| : | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| : | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
| : KB891711.exe
| : | > in
| : | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
| : | > | >
| : | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
gone
| : | > online.
| : | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
| : URLs
| : | > will
| : | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
work,
| : after
| : | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
| : NetZero
| : | > is
| : | > | > doing?
| : | > | >
| : | > | >
| : | > | > --
| : | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| : | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| : | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| : | > | > should things get worse after this,
| : | > | > PCR
| : | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| : | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| : | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
Windows
| : to
| : | > | > load. If
| : | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
renders it
| : | > | > unusable,
| : | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
recommended.
| : The
| : | > | > reason
| : | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
an
| : issue
| : | > with
| : | > | > the
| : | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
the
| : | > update
| : | > | > but
| : | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
with
| : it,
| : | > then
| : | > | > it
| : | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
is
| : | > found.
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
the
| : CU
| : | > from
| : | > | > | loading in the startup.
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
| : | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| : | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
Q891711.dll
| : | > dated
| : | > | > | 02/18/05
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
| : it's
| : | > own
| : | > | > folder,
| : | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
up
| : with
| : | > | > that.
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | --
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | Brian A.
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| : | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > |
| : | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| : | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| : | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
and
| : XPPRO
| : | > | > with NTFS
| : | > | > | > on
| : | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
this
| : | > update
| : | > | > because
| : | > | > | > it
| : | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
| : computer
| : | > | > people to
| : | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
are
| : able
| : | > to
| : | > | > reverse
| : | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
have
| : not
| : | > | > applied
| : | > | > | > this
| : | > | > | > update.
| : | > | > | >
| : | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| : message
| : | > | > | >
news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| : | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
update.
| : | > Windows
| : | > | > 98
| : | > | > | > gets
| : | > | > | > to
| : | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
blue
| : | > screen
| : | > | > of
| : | > | > | > death.
| : | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
an
| : | > earlier
| : | > | > state
| : | > | > | > before
| : | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
worked
| : | > fine.
| : | > | > Each
| : | > | > | > time
| : | > | > | > I
| : | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
| : Aviod
| : | > the
| : | > | > update
| : | > | > | > at
| : | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
to
| : before
| : | > the
| : | > | > | > update
| : | > | > | > was
| : | > | > | > : run.
| : | > | > | > :
| : | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| : | > | > | > :
| : | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
patches
| : (they
| : | > | > were
| : | > | > | > security
| : | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
| : here it
| : | > is.
| : | > | > | > : >
| : | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
mouse
| : and
| : | > the
| : | > | > hour
| : | > | > | > glass.
| : | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
DISAPPEARS
| : and
| : | > if I
| : | > | > touch
| : | > | > | > any
| : | > | > | > key
| : | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
the
| : reset
| : | > | > button)
| : | > | > | > : >
| : | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
| : greatly
| : | > | > appreciated
| : | > | > | >
| : | > | > | >
| : | > | > |
| : | > | >
| : | > | >
| : | > |
| : | > |
| : | >
| : | >
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 13, 2005 4:47:57 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Not necessarily a lie, perhaps just an error.

--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
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pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:u40l7y4JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be needed
for
| Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to
April issue
| of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x
operating
| system.
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
....snip
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 13, 2005 5:51:44 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that can
be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or another.
The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off with
a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears to
be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be they
have made a pact with the cable guy?

Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to Colorado,
before you decide to do without it as he has!


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Naturally, you will not sue,
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pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
| Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to
BSOD
| the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
desktop,
| like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD.
I
| disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del
and saw
| it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
more.
|
| After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching
dial-up
| connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked
the
| puppy and restarted and all was well.
|
| Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
| suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
w/Pc-cillin had
| the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up,
that's
| what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
ISP's....
| it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
|
| Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
come for
| the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
| W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
|
| For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
| process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
processes
| added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
service
| myself after I connect to the Internet.
|
| Star
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
dial-up's
| > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
running
| > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
dial-up's
| > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
| >
| > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
| > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
interfering!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
| > | PCR,
| > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
dial-up.
| > Mine,
| > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
| > However, IE
| > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
that I
| > have
| > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
| > |
| > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
the
| > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
| > after
| > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
| > |
| > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
| > dial-up
| > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
| > system, plus
| > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
starting-up
| > and
| > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
| > |
| > | Star
| > |
| > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
| > .docs...
| > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
| > | > ......Quote.........
| > | > Caveats: None
| > | > ......EOQ...........
| > | >
| > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
could
| > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
| > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
| > [KB891711]
| > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
wait a
| > bit,
| > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
ourselves.
| > Sounds
| > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
Looking
| > at
| > | > your post's Properties & mine...
| > | >
| > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
| > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
| > | >
| > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
fine.
| > So
| > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
| > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
| > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
via
| > it's
| > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
I
| > | > closed IE
| > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
| > seaching
| > | > &
| > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
ago.
| > | > |
| > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
Internet
| > | > dial-up,
| > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
| > | > ctl/alt/del,
| > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
and do
| > a
| > | > scanreg
| > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
| > searchs...
| > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
me!!
| > | > |
| > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
| > | > background
| > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
news!!
| > I
| > | > did
| > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
W98-se
| > and I
| > | > had
| > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
decided
| > to
| > | > get
| > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
| > | > |
| > | > | Star
| > | > |
| > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
| > KB891711.exe
| > | > in
| > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
gone
| > | > online.
| > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
| > URLs
| > | > will
| > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
work,
| > after
| > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
| > NetZero
| > | > is
| > | > | > doing?
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > | > PCR
| > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
Windows
| > to
| > | > | > load. If
| > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
renders it
| > | > | > unusable,
| > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
recommended.
| > The
| > | > | > reason
| > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
an
| > issue
| > | > with
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
the
| > | > update
| > | > | > but
| > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
with
| > it,
| > | > then
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
is
| > | > found.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
the
| > CU
| > | > from
| > | > | > | loading in the startup.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
| > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
Q891711.dll
| > | > dated
| > | > | > | 02/18/05
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
| > it's
| > | > own
| > | > | > folder,
| > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
up
| > with
| > | > | > that.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Brian A.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
and
| > XPPRO
| > | > | > with NTFS
| > | > | > | > on
| > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
this
| > | > update
| > | > | > because
| > | > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
| > computer
| > | > | > people to
| > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
are
| > able
| > | > to
| > | > | > reverse
| > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
have
| > not
| > | > | > applied
| > | > | > | > this
| > | > | > | > update.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| > message
| > | > | > | >
news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
| > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
update.
| > | > Windows
| > | > | > 98
| > | > | > | > gets
| > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
blue
| > | > screen
| > | > | > of
| > | > | > | > death.
| > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
an
| > | > earlier
| > | > | > state
| > | > | > | > before
| > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
worked
| > | > fine.
| > | > | > Each
| > | > | > | > time
| > | > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
| > Aviod
| > | > the
| > | > | > update
| > | > | > | > at
| > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
to
| > before
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > update
| > | > | > | > was
| > | > | > | > : run.
| > | > | > | > :
| > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
| > | > | > | > :
| > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
patches
| > (they
| > | > | > were
| > | > | > | > security
| > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
| > here it
| > | > is.
| > | > | > | > : >
| > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
mouse
| > and
| > | > the
| > | > | > hour
| > | > | > | > glass.
| > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
DISAPPEARS
| > and
| > | > if I
| > | > | > touch
| > | > | > | > any
| > | > | > | > key
| > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
the
| > reset
| > | > | > button)
| > | > | > | > : >
| > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
| > greatly
| > | > | > appreciated
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
March 13, 2005 5:51:45 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

This update was released... yesterday, correct ? Heaven help you helpers of
this newsgroup... the real onslaught of posts have yet to arrive.

Many or most of these users... won't be able to easily disable the process
via msconfig., won't know what to do!! They will be going in circles
dialing up, launching IE, crashing to BSOD, restarting
and....................... will be lost in a cruel loop!!

I read nothing in the bulletin... about these trials and adversities...
SHAME on Microsoft, PCR.

How much worse can it get... ?? this has been an eye-opener... !!

You uninstalled it too, correct... ?? or do you have it disabled only ??

Take care... Star


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:o ua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
> intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that can
> be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or another.
> The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off with
> a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears to
> be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be they
> have made a pact with the cable guy?
>
> Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
> vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to Colorado,
> before you decide to do without it as he has!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
> | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to
> BSOD
> | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
> desktop,
> | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD.
> I
> | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del
> and saw
> | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
> more.
> |
> | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching
> dial-up
> | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked
> the
> | puppy and restarted and all was well.
> |
> | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
> | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
> w/Pc-cillin had
> | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up,
> that's
> | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
> ISP's....
> | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
> |
> | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
> come for
> | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
> | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
> |
> | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
> | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
> processes
> | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
> service
> | myself after I connect to the Internet.
> |
> | Star
> |
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
> dial-up's
> | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
> running
> | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
> dial-up's
> | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
> | >
> | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
> | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
> interfering!
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
> | > | PCR,
> | > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
> dial-up.
> | > Mine,
> | > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
> | > However, IE
> | > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
> that I
> | > have
> | > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
> | > |
> | > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
> the
> | > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
> | > after
> | > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
> | > |
> | > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
> | > dial-up
> | > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
> | > system, plus
> | > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
> starting-up
> | > and
> | > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
> | > |
> | > | Star
> | > |
> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
> | > .docs...
> | > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
> | > | > ......Quote.........
> | > | > Caveats: None
> | > | > ......EOQ...........
> | > | >
> | > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
> could
> | > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
> | > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
> | > [KB891711]
> | > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
> wait a
> | > bit,
> | > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
> ourselves.
> | > Sounds
> | > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
> Looking
> | > at
> | > | > your post's Properties & mine...
> | > | >
> | > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
> | > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
> | > | >
> | > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
> fine.
> | > So
> | > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > | > should things get worse after this,
> | > | > PCR
> | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
> | > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
> | > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
> via
> | > it's
> | > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
> I
> | > | > closed IE
> | > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
> | > seaching
> | > | > &
> | > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
> ago.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
> Internet
> | > | > dial-up,
> | > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
> | > | > ctl/alt/del,
> | > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
> and do
> | > a
> | > | > scanreg
> | > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
> | > searchs...
> | > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
> me!!
> | > | > |
> | > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
> | > | > background
> | > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
> news!!
> | > I
> | > | > did
> | > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
> W98-se
> | > and I
> | > | > had
> | > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
> decided
> | > to
> | > | > get
> | > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Star
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
> | > KB891711.exe
> | > | > in
> | > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
> gone
> | > | > online.
> | > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
> | > URLs
> | > | > will
> | > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
> work,
> | > after
> | > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
> | > NetZero
> | > | > is
> | > | > | > doing?
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > | > | > should things get worse after this,
> | > | > | > PCR
> | > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
> Windows
> | > to
> | > | > | > load. If
> | > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
> renders it
> | > | > | > unusable,
> | > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
> recommended.
> | > The
> | > | > | > reason
> | > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
> an
> | > issue
> | > | > with
> | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
> the
> | > | > update
> | > | > | > but
> | > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
> with
> | > it,
> | > | > then
> | > | > | > it
> | > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
> is
> | > | > found.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
> the
> | > CU
> | > | > from
> | > | > | > | loading in the startup.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
> | > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
> Q891711.dll
> | > | > dated
> | > | > | > | 02/18/05
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
> | > it's
> | > | > own
> | > | > | > folder,
> | > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
> up
> | > with
> | > | > | > that.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Brian A.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
> and
> | > XPPRO
> | > | > | > with NTFS
> | > | > | > | > on
> | > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
> this
> | > | > update
> | > | > | > because
> | > | > | > | > it
> | > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
> | > computer
> | > | > | > people to
> | > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
> are
> | > able
> | > | > to
> | > | > | > reverse
> | > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
> have
> | > not
> | > | > | > applied
> | > | > | > | > this
> | > | > | > | > update.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> | > message
> | > | > | > | >
> news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
> | > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
> update.
> | > | > Windows
> | > | > | > 98
> | > | > | > | > gets
> | > | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
> blue
> | > | > screen
> | > | > | > of
> | > | > | > | > death.
> | > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
> an
> | > | > earlier
> | > | > | > state
> | > | > | > | > before
> | > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
> worked
> | > | > fine.
> | > | > | > Each
> | > | > | > | > time
> | > | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
> | > Aviod
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > update
> | > | > | > | > at
> | > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
> to
> | > before
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > update
> | > | > | > | > was
> | > | > | > | > : run.
> | > | > | > | > :
> | > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
> | > | > | > | > :
> | > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
> patches
> | > (they
> | > | > | > were
> | > | > | > | > security
> | > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
> | > here it
> | > | > is.
> | > | > | > | > : >
> | > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
> mouse
> | > and
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > hour
> | > | > | > | > glass.
> | > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
> DISAPPEARS
> | > and
> | > | > if I
> | > | > | > touch
> | > | > | > | > any
> | > | > | > | > key
> | > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
> the
> | > reset
> | > | > | > button)
> | > | > | > | > : >
> | > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
> | > greatly
> | > | > | > appreciated
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
March 13, 2005 11:48:03 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

nope.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:unsk2f5JFHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Looks like TAPISRV.EXE (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) is
: another that launches when I connect. You have that one?
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:%235ZL9z4JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable I do
: not
: | need or use that so it could be a possibility.
: |
: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: | : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
: dial-up's
: | : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
: running
: | : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
: dial-up's
: | : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
: | :
: | : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
: | : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
: interfering!
: | :
: | :
: | : --
: | : Thanks or Good Luck,
: | : There may be humor in this post, and,
: | : Naturally, you will not sue,
: | : should things get worse after this,
: | : PCR
: | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | : "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: | : news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
: | : | PCR,
: | : | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
: dial-up.
: | : Mine,
: | : | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
: | : However, IE
: | : | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
: that I
: | : have
: | : | created. And, OE worked fine too.
: | : |
: | : | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
: the
: | : | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
: | : after
: | : | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
: | : |
: | : | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
: | : dial-up
: | : | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
: | : system, plus
: | : | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
: starting-up
: | : and
: | : | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
: | : |
: | : | Star
: | : |
: | : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | : | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
: | : .docs...
: | : | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: | : | > ......Quote.........
: | : | > Caveats: None
: | : | > ......EOQ...........
: | : | >
: | : | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
: could
: | : | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
: | : | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
: | : [KB891711]
: | : | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
: wait a
: | : bit,
: | : | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
: ourselves.
: | : Sounds
: | : | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
: Looking
: | : at
: | : | > your post's Properties & mine...
: | : | >
: | : | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
: | : | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
: | : | >
: | : | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
: fine.
: | : So
: | : | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
: | : | >
: | : | >
: | : | > --
: | : | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | : | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | : | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | : | > should things get worse after this,
: | : | > PCR
: | : | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | : | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: | : | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: | : | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: | : | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
: via
: | : it's
: | : | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
: I
: | : | > closed IE
: | : | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
: | : seaching
: | : | > &
: | : | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
: ago.
: | : | > |
: | : | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
: Internet
: | : | > dial-up,
: | : | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
: | : | > ctl/alt/del,
: | : | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
: and do
: | : a
: | : | > scanreg
: | : | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
: | : searchs...
: | : | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
: me!!
: | : | > |
: | : | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
: | : | > background
: | : | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
: news!!
: | : I
: | : | > did
: | : | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
: W98-se
: | : and I
: | : | > had
: | : | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
: decided
: | : to
: | : | > get
: | : | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
: | : | > |
: | : | > | Star
: | : | > |
: | : | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | : | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: | : | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
: | : KB891711.exe
: | : | > in
: | : | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: | : | > | >
: | : | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
: gone
: | : | > online.
: | : | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
: | : URLs
: | : | > will
: | : | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
: work,
: | : after
: | : | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
: | : NetZero
: | : | > is
: | : | > | > doing?
: | : | > | >
: | : | > | >
: | : | > | > --
: | : | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | : | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | : | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | : | > | > should things get worse after this,
: | : | > | > PCR
: | : | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | : | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: | : | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | : | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
: Windows
: | : to
: | : | > | > load. If
: | : | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
: renders it
: | : | > | > unusable,
: | : | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
: recommended.
: | : The
: | : | > | > reason
: | : | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
: an
: | : issue
: | : | > with
: | : | > | > the
: | : | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
: the
: | : | > update
: | : | > | > but
: | : | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
: with
: | : it,
: | : | > then
: | : | > | > it
: | : | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
: is
: | : | > found.
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
: the
: | : CU
: | : | > from
: | : | > | > | loading in the startup.
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
: | : | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: | : | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
: Q891711.dll
: | : | > dated
: | : | > | > | 02/18/05
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
: | : it's
: | : | > own
: | : | > | > folder,
: | : | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
: up
: | : with
: | : | > | > that.
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | --
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | Brian A.
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: | : | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | : | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | : | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
: and
: | : XPPRO
: | : | > | > with NTFS
: | : | > | > | > on
: | : | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
: this
: | : | > update
: | : | > | > because
: | : | > | > | > it
: | : | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
: | : computer
: | : | > | > people to
: | : | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
: are
: | : able
: | : | > to
: | : | > | > reverse
: | : | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
: have
: | : not
: | : | > | > applied
: | : | > | > | > this
: | : | > | > | > update.
: | : | > | > | >
: | : | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
: | : message
: | : | > | > | >
: news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: | : | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
: update.
: | : | > Windows
: | : | > | > 98
: | : | > | > | > gets
: | : | > | > | > to
: | : | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
: blue
: | : | > screen
: | : | > | > of
: | : | > | > | > death.
: | : | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
: an
: | : | > earlier
: | : | > | > state
: | : | > | > | > before
: | : | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
: worked
: | : | > fine.
: | : | > | > Each
: | : | > | > | > time
: | : | > | > | > I
: | : | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
: | : Aviod
: | : | > the
: | : | > | > update
: | : | > | > | > at
: | : | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
: to
: | : before
: | : | > the
: | : | > | > | > update
: | : | > | > | > was
: | : | > | > | > : run.
: | : | > | > | > :
: | : | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: | : | > | > | > :
: | : | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
: patches
: | : (they
: | : | > | > were
: | : | > | > | > security
: | : | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
: | : here it
: | : | > is.
: | : | > | > | > : >
: | : | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
: mouse
: | : and
: | : | > the
: | : | > | > hour
: | : | > | > | > glass.
: | : | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
: DISAPPEARS
: | : and
: | : | > if I
: | : | > | > touch
: | : | > | > | > any
: | : | > | > | > key
: | : | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
: the
: | : reset
: | : | > | > button)
: | : | > | > | > : >
: | : | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
: | : greatly
: | : | > | > appreciated
: | : | > | > | >
: | : | > | > | >
: | : | > | > |
: | : | > | >
: | : | > | >
: | : | > |
: | : | > |
: | : | >
: | : | >
: | : |
: | : |
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
:
:
March 13, 2005 11:49:17 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

So when are you switching to Linux, PCR if you do not care for Microsoft?

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:o ua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
: intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that can
: be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or another.
: The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off with
: a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears to
: be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be they
: have made a pact with the cable guy?
:
: Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
: vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to Colorado,
: before you decide to do without it as he has!
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
: | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing to
: BSOD
: | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
: desktop,
: | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after BSOD.
: I
: | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a ctl/alt/del
: and saw
: | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
: more.
: |
: | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after launching
: dial-up
: | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and unchecked
: the
: | puppy and restarted and all was well.
: |
: | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches, first
: | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
: w/Pc-cillin had
: | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was dial-up,
: that's
: | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
: ISP's....
: | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
: |
: | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
: come for
: | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however for
: | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
: |
: | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a startup
: | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
: processes
: | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
: service
: | myself after I connect to the Internet.
: |
: | Star
: |
: |
: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
: dial-up's
: | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
: running
: | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
: dial-up's
: | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have it.
: | >
: | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
: | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
: interfering!
: | >
: | >
: | > --
: | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | > should things get worse after this,
: | > PCR
: | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
: | > | PCR,
: | > | I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on
: dial-up.
: | > Mine,
: | > | was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
: | > However, IE
: | > | worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive
: that I
: | > have
: | > | created. And, OE worked fine too.
: | > |
: | > | I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to
: the
: | > | group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
: | > after
: | > | reading and then reading here in the the group!!
: | > |
: | > | **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
: | > dial-up
: | > | environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my
: | > system, plus
: | > | my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from
: starting-up
: | > and
: | > | running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
: | > |
: | > | Star
: | > |
: | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | > | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | > | > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the
: | > .docs...
: | > | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: | > | > ......Quote.........
: | > | > Caveats: None
: | > | > ......EOQ...........
: | > | >
: | > | > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it
: could
: | > | > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
: | > | > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
: | > [KB891711]
: | > | > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to
: wait a
: | > bit,
: | > | > to see whether others complained, before trying it for
: ourselves.
: | > Sounds
: | > | > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD.
: Looking
: | > at
: | > | > your post's Properties & mine...
: | > | >
: | > | > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
: | > | > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
: | > | >
: | > | > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is
: fine.
: | > So
: | > | > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
: | > | >
: | > | >
: | > | > --
: | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | > | > should things get worse after this,
: | > | > PCR
: | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: | > | > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: | > | > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: | > | > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated
: via
: | > it's
: | > | > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update.
: I
: | > | > closed IE
: | > | > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
: | > seaching
: | > | > &
: | > | > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours
: ago.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not
: Internet
: | > | > dial-up,
: | > | > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
: | > | > ctl/alt/del,
: | > | > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it
: and do
: | > a
: | > | > scanreg
: | > | > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
: | > searchs...
: | > | > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as
: me!!
: | > | > |
: | > | > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
: | > | > background
: | > | > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad
: news!!
: | > I
: | > | > did
: | > | > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for
: W98-se
: | > and I
: | > | > had
: | > | > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and
: decided
: | > to
: | > | > get
: | > | > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
: | > | > |
: | > | > | Star
: | > | > |
: | > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | > | > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: | > | > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
: | > KB891711.exe
: | > | > in
: | > | > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: | > | > | >
: | > | > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've
: gone
: | > | > online.
: | > | > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the
: | > URLs
: | > | > will
: | > | > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to
: work,
: | > after
: | > | > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
: | > NetZero
: | > | > is
: | > | > | > doing?
: | > | > | >
: | > | > | >
: | > | > | > --
: | > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: | > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: | > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: | > | > | > should things get worse after this,
: | > | > | > PCR
: | > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: | > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: | > | > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: | > | > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get
: Windows
: | > to
: | > | > | > load. If
: | > | > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and
: renders it
: | > | > | > unusable,
: | > | > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is
: recommended.
: | > The
: | > | > | > reason
: | > | > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be
: an
: | > issue
: | > | > with
: | > | > | > the
: | > | > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with
: the
: | > | > update
: | > | > | > but
: | > | > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run
: with
: | > it,
: | > | > then
: | > | > | > it
: | > | > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution
: is
: | > | > found.
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling
: the
: | > CU
: | > | > from
: | > | > | > | loading in the startup.
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
: | > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: | > | > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and
: Q891711.dll
: | > | > dated
: | > | > | > | 02/18/05
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
: | > it's
: | > | > own
: | > | > | > folder,
: | > | > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
: up
: | > with
: | > | > | > that.
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | --
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | Brian A.
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: | > | > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: | > | > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: | > | > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32
: and
: | > XPPRO
: | > | > | > with NTFS
: | > | > | > | > on
: | > | > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid
: this
: | > | > update
: | > | > | > because
: | > | > | > | > it
: | > | > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
: | > computer
: | > | > | > people to
: | > | > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers
: are
: | > able
: | > | > to
: | > | > | > reverse
: | > | > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who
: have
: | > not
: | > | > | > applied
: | > | > | > | > this
: | > | > | > | > update.
: | > | > | > | >
: | > | > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
: | > message
: | > | > | > | >
: news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: | > | > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same
: update.
: | > | > Windows
: | > | > | > 98
: | > | > | > | > gets
: | > | > | > | > to
: | > | > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the
: blue
: | > | > screen
: | > | > | > of
: | > | > | > | > death.
: | > | > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to
: an
: | > | > earlier
: | > | > | > state
: | > | > | > | > before
: | > | > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then
: worked
: | > | > fine.
: | > | > | > Each
: | > | > | > | > time
: | > | > | > | > I
: | > | > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
: | > Aviod
: | > | > the
: | > | > | > update
: | > | > | > | > at
: | > | > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back
: to
: | > before
: | > | > the
: | > | > | > | > update
: | > | > | > | > was
: | > | > | > | > : run.
: | > | > | > | > :
: | > | > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: | > | > | > | > :
: | > | > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98
: patches
: | > (they
: | > | > | > were
: | > | > | > | > security
: | > | > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ...
: | > here it
: | > | > is.
: | > | > | > | > : >
: | > | > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the
: mouse
: | > and
: | > | > the
: | > | > | > hour
: | > | > | > | > glass.
: | > | > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE
: DISAPPEARS
: | > and
: | > | > if I
: | > | > | > touch
: | > | > | > | > any
: | > | > | > | > key
: | > | > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit
: the
: | > reset
: | > | > | > button)
: | > | > | > | > : >
: | > | > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
: | > greatly
: | > | > | > appreciated
: | > | > | > | >
: | > | > | > | >
: | > | > | > |
: | > | > | >
: | > | > | >
: | > | > |
: | > | > |
: | > | >
: | > | >
: | > |
: | > |
: | >
: | >
: |
: |
:
:
March 13, 2005 11:51:09 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

True but it is better than nothing --- Microsoft is catering to the guys with
broadband because dial-up is considered ancient. I know Microsoft was wrong
but oh well I am sorry for your lose -- remember this 9 page letter cost me
my HP 3820 printer so you are not the only one frustrated. <smile -- grin
and deal with it>

"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137q9dhqgqg5a0@corp.supernews.com...
: And, Yes Dan, I still say, **SHAME** on Microsoft.
:
: If... you were on dial-up, you wouldn't be a *happy camper, and then for
: sure,
: I would like to see your letter to Microsoft* !!
:
: Really think about it Dan, think of the users affected... this is a **BIG**
: goof !!
:
: Star
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:u3DnZz4JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > Sure Microsoft made a goof but we all should be happy that it was
: released.
: >
: > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
: > : PCR,
: > : I wrote you again, re... your *right-on* it affects those on dial-up.
: Mine,
: > : was like you described, exactly, BSOD, but only after dial-up!!
: However,
: > IE
: > : worked fine offline, I sat and loaded url's off my local drive that I
: have
: > : created. And, OE worked fine too.
: > :
: > : I have uninstalled it, no more problems here... Before, I came to the
: > : group, I did a Google search and made the decision to uninstall it
after
: > : reading and then reading here in the the group!!
: > :
: > : **SHAME** on Microsoft, obviously this update was not tested in a
: dial-up
: > : environment!! I only have the required start-up programs for my system,
: > plus
: > : my Pc-cillin, nothing more. As soon as I killed this from starting-up
: and
: > : running in the backgroumd, yo problem solved!!
: > :
: > : Star
: > :
: > : "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: > : news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > : > Yea, I go for them quickly too, usually w/o even reading the .docs...
: > : > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05...
: > : > ......Quote.........
: > : > Caveats: None
: > : > ......EOQ...........
: > : >
: > : > BUT, even READING that one wouldn't have helped! In fact, it could
: > : > easily scare one into installing it, horrific as it makes that
: > : > vulnerability sound. (But some are beginning to say MS05-002
: [KB891711]
: > : > mat not be needed for Win98 after all.) We would have had to wait a
: bit,
: > : > to see whether others complained, before trying it for ourselves.
: Sounds
: > : > like we have the same symptoms. Only IE crashes to a BSOD. Looking at
: > : > your post's Properties & mine...
: > : >
: > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
: > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
: > : >
: > : > ...I guess we both have that OE update you speak of. But OE is fine.
: So
: > : > is Explorer. Even IE still worked for me offline from TIFs.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > : > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > : > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > : > should things get worse after this,
: > : > PCR
: > : > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: > : > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > : > news:1136jd58g1v03ff@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > | Hi PCR Pro & Everyone....
: > : > | PCR, you know I run Pc-cillin 2005... when Pc-cillin updated via
: it's
: > : > | Security Checks, I was taken to WU to and receive this update. I
: > : > closed IE
: > : > | and restarted, I always do after WU. I've been out on Goggle
: seaching
: > : > &
: > : > | reading about this update. Just rec'd update several hours ago.
: > : > |
: > : > | I have *Big* problems w/update... Not w/starting-up, not Internet
: > : > dial-up,
: > : > | but IE won't run period. I saw the update running upon doing
: > : > ctl/alt/del,
: > : > | and I have simply disabled it, but am ready to uninstall it and do
a
: > : > scanreg
: > : > | /restore to restore the registry. While out doing my Google
: searchs...
: > : > | others running Pc-cillin are having the same **problem** as me!!
: > : > |
: > : > | So... for now I killed it from starting-up and running in the
: > : > background
: > : > | only, and I can run IE with no problems... this is real bad news!!
: I
: > : > did
: > : > | finally get that Update for OE that Microsoft removed for W98-se
and
: I
: > : > had
: > : > | no problems, of course, on that one I did much reading and decided
: to
: > : > get
: > : > | it. However, I did not do my homework w/this critical update.
: > : > |
: > : > | Star
: > : > |
: > : > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: > : > | news:uW9VzxsJFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > | > I'm hoping MS has not decided to obliterate Win98 with
: KB891711.exe
: > : > in
: > : > | > retribution for Dan's letter to MS! Anyway...
: > : > | >
: > : > | > I find all is well with KB891711.exe activated, UNTIL I've gone
: > : > online.
: > : > | > Then, IE or any URL will BSOD when clicked. Before that, the URLs
: > : > will
: > : > | > work from TIFs. After going online, URLs again begin to work,
: after
: > : > | > killing KB891711.exe with Ctrl-Alt-Del. Can it be something
: NetZero
: > : > is
: > : > | > doing?
: > : > | >
: > : > | >
: > : > | > --
: > : > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > : > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > : > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > : > | > should things get worse after this,
: > : > | > PCR
: > : > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: > : > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
: > : > | > news:eWNTAVsJFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > : > | > | There is a reason to avoid it for those that can't get Windows
: to
: > : > | > load. If
: > : > | > | the machine BSOD's only with the update on boot and renders it
: > : > | > unusable,
: > : > | > | then uninstalling/notusing/avoiding the update is recommended.
: The
: > : > | > reason
: > : > | > | for the BSOD's then needs to be determined whether it be an
: issue
: > : > with
: > : > | > the
: > : > | > | update, software/hardware or a combination of both.
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | It may be that you, myself and others have no issue with the
: > : > update
: > : > | > but
: > : > | > | others do and if their machine is needed yet won't run with it,
: > : > then
: > : > | > it
: > : > | > | should not be installed until a definitive cause/solution is
: > : > found.
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | Perhaps the suggestion by Robert may be best in disabling the
: CU
: > : > from
: > : > | > | loading in the startup.
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | From what I see the update creates a folder
: > : > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
: > : > | > | In that folder is KB891711.exe dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
: > : > dated
: > : > | > | 02/18/05
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
: > : > own
: > : > | > folder,
: > : > | > | exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
: with
: > : > | > that.
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | --
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | Brian A.
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
: > : > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > |
: > : > | > | "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > : > | > | news:eNXhu8qJFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > : > | > | > The update works fine on my machine -- 98SE with Fat32 and
: XPPRO
: > : > | > with NTFS
: > : > | > | > on
: > : > | > | > two seperate hard drives. There is no reason to avoid this
: > : > update
: > : > | > because
: > : > | > | > it
: > : > | > | > is a CRITICAL UPDATE and so all users need to work with
: computer
: > : > | > people to
: > : > | > | > patch their computers and networks before the hackers are
able
: > : > to
: > : > | > reverse
: > : > | > | > engineer these new updates and target the 9x users who have
: not
: > : > | > applied
: > : > | > | > this
: > : > | > | > update.
: > : > | > | >
: > : > | > | > "Jimmost" <Jimmost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
: > : > | > | > news:E315B342-8CE4-47C4-BE44-625F993A1FD6@microsoft.com...
: > : > | > | > : I had similar problems after installing the same update.
: > : > Windows
: > : > | > 98
: > : > | > | > gets
: > : > | > | > to
: > : > | > | > : the point of loading the desktop and then goes to the blue
: > : > screen
: > : > | > of
: > : > | > | > death.
: > : > | > | > : I was able to use abackup image file to restore 98 to an
: > : > earlier
: > : > | > state
: > : > | > | > before
: > : > | > | > : the security update was installed. Windows 98 then worked
: > : > fine.
: > : > | > Each
: > : > | > | > time
: > : > | > | > I
: > : > | > | > : installed the 891711 update Windows would again crash.
: Aviod
: > : > the
: > : > | > update
: > : > | > | > at
: > : > | > | > : all costs. If you have a backup, you should ge back to
: before
: > : > the
: > : > | > | > update
: > : > | > | > was
: > : > | > | > : run.
: > : > | > | > :
: > : > | > | > : "arun-win98-user" wrote:
: > : > | > | > :
: > : > | > | > : > Yesterday, I updated the latest critical Win98 patches
: (they
: > : > | > were
: > : > | > | > security
: > : > | > | > : > related) and since then having a strange problem ... here
: it
: > : > is.
: > : > | > | > : >
: > : > | > | > : > As Windows begins loading, I can see and move the mouse
: and
: > : > the
: > : > | > hour
: > : > | > | > glass.
: > : > | > | > : > As soon as the loading gets over, the MOUSE DISAPPEARS
and
: > : > if I
: > : > | > touch
: > : > | > | > any
: > : > | > | > key
: > : > | > | > : > on the keyboard, the machine reboots (as if I hit the
: reset
: > : > | > button)
: > : > | > | > : >
: > : > | > | > : > I now completely unable to use my PC. Any will be
greatly
: > : > | > appreciated
: > : > | > | >
: > : > | > | >
: > : > | > |
: > : > | >
: > : > | >
: > : > |
: > : > |
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
March 13, 2005 11:51:29 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Okay an error then.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ePCZYh5JFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Not necessarily a lie, perhaps just an error.
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:u40l7y4JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: | (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be needed
: for
: | Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to
: April issue
: | of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x
: operating
: | system.
: |
: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: ...snip
:
:
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 13, 2005 4:16:13 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

uh..that reminds me..

Dan, can you please snip uneeded content? This post was about
12k just to say "nope." Multiply that number by the number of
servers that slurp this group, plus the number of clients
downloading the message. Factor in the sheer volume of your
posts and the world will soon run out of storage space. :) 

I'm not saying snip it all, but what has become irrelevent
to the current post. The world thanks you in advance.

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message news:uZUDGQ%23JFHA.1052@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> nope.
>
> :
> : | : | > | > | >
> : | : | > | > | >
> : | : | > | > |
> : | : | > | >
> : | : | > | >
> : | : | > |
> : | : | > |
> : | : | >
> : | : | >
> : | : |
> : | : |
> : | :
> : | :
> : |
> : |
> :
> :
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 14, 2005 3:38:05 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Hmm. So, KB891711.exe could be mussing that one, too. Well, let us pray
MS will fix this thing soon, after putting out that horrific description
of the vulnerability, that our computers can be totally taken over!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:uZUDGQ%23JFHA.1052@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| nope.
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:unsk2f5JFHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : Looks like TAPISRV.EXE (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) is
| : another that launches when I connect. You have that one?
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| : news:%235ZL9z4JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| : | Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) -- since I have cable
I do
| : not
| : | need or use that so it could be a possibility.
| : |
| : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| : | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : | : Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
| : dial-up's
| : | : suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
| : running
| : | : until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
| : dial-up's
| : | : aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have
it.
| : | :
| : | : I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
| : | : candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
| : interfering!
| : | :
| : | :
| : | : --
| : | : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : | : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : | : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : | : should things get worse after this,
| : | : PCR
| : | : pcrrcp@netzero.net
....snip
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 14, 2005 3:55:50 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I've just got it turned off in MSConfig. It wasn't that severe for me,
because "press(ing) any key" on the BSOD actually does get back to
Windows unscathed. OE even kept working. Wasn't it that way for you?

I wonder, now that you've uninstalled it, is it still available at
Windows Update? MS surely must have pulled it to prevent the onslaught
you predict!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137uk3bgio2d5e@corp.supernews.com...
| This update was released... yesterday, correct ? Heaven help you
helpers of
| this newsgroup... the real onslaught of posts have yet to arrive.
|
| Many or most of these users... won't be able to easily disable the
process
| via msconfig., won't know what to do!! They will be going in circles
| dialing up, launching IE, crashing to BSOD, restarting
| and....................... will be lost in a cruel loop!!
|
| I read nothing in the bulletin... about these trials and
adversities...
| SHAME on Microsoft, PCR.
|
| How much worse can it get... ?? this has been an eye-opener... !!
|
| You uninstalled it too, correct... ?? or do you have it disabled only
??
|
| Take care... Star
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:o ua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
| > intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that
can
| > be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or
another.
| > The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off
with
| > a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears
to
| > be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be
they
| > have made a pact with the cable guy?
| >
| > Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
| > vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to
Colorado,
| > before you decide to do without it as he has!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:1137pventvn9q48@corp.supernews.com...
| > | Yes, PCR (incompatability w/dial-up networking). After, crashing
to
| > BSOD
| > | the first time, I hit a key, return key & like you went to to the
| > desktop,
| > | like you know, this is not usually the protocol of Windows after
BSOD.
| > I
| > | disconnected from dial-up and restarted.... but I did a
ctl/alt/del
| > and saw
| > | it running... KB891711, saw Rnapp and Explorer, Pc-cillin, nothing
| > more.
| > |
| > | After, restarting, the same scenario, crash to BSOD after
launching
| > dial-up
| > | connection and opening IE, used run and opened msconfig and
unchecked
| > the
| > | puppy and restarted and all was well.
| > |
| > | Like, I said, for several hrs. I read via my Goggle searches,
first
| > | suspected incompatibility of Pc-cillin w/this patch, others
| > w/Pc-cillin had
| > | the problem. I came to this group and dah... I knew it was
dial-up,
| > that's
| > | what we really **all** have in common; NOT OUR antivirus s/w or
| > ISP's....
| > | it's Dial-up Networking incompatability w/this patch.
| > |
| > | Another thought, I just went up and read the bulletin.... dah, how
| > come for
| > | the other OS's involved there is a download available.... however
for
| > | W98-se/me... this patch must be installed via WU ???
| > |
| > | For me personally, I won't have this update configured to be a
startup
| > | process for 98-se. I have a normal startup w/only (2) additional
| > processes
| > | added which are for my antivirus s/w. I even start my Callwave
| > service
| > | myself after I connect to the Internet.
| > |
| > | Star
| > |
| > |
| > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | news:emh5Qc2JFHA.2648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | > Thanks for confirming that. Looks like it's MS's fault, if all
| > dial-up's
| > | > suffer the same fate. I keep forgetting to check what is/is not
| > running
| > | > until I connect. Probably it isn't NetZero at fault, as all
| > dial-up's
| > | > aren't using NetZero. It isn't McAfee, because you don't have
it.
| > | >
| > | > I believe Rnaapp.exe (Dial-Up Networking Application) might be a
| > | > candidate. But it would still be KB891711.exe's fault for
| > interfering!
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | > "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:11370vbnlopuk3e@corp.supernews.com...
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Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 14, 2005 3:58:51 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I'm sure KB891711.exe won't work on Linux, either!

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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:u0BVyQ%23JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| So when are you switching to Linux, PCR if you do not care for
Microsoft?
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:o ua1BF6JFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| : That's unusual for it to be in the Startup Group. I hope they don't
| : intend to do them all that way now. How protective is a thing that
can
| : be closed? Still, I guess they can all be disabled one way or
another.
| : The "kill bits" MS lately were feeding us can be easily turned off
with
| : a .reg file. But at least kill bits won't eat resources. MS appears
to
| : be making us Win98 users to be second class citizens! And can it be
they
| : have made a pact with the cable guy?
| :
| : Still, I guess I'll take it again when fixed. That write-up of the
| : vulnerability was horrific. Better keep an out what happens to
Colorado,
| : before you decide to do without it as he has!
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : pcrrcp@netzero.net
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Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 14, 2005 4:00:11 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Not necessarily an error, perhaps it was a lie.

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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:%23GfHBS%23JFHA.2704@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Okay an error then.
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ePCZYh5JFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : Not necessarily a lie, perhaps just an error.
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : pcrrcp@netzero.net
| : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| : news:u40l7y4JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| : | (But some are beginning to say MS05-002 [KB891711] may not be
needed
| : for
| : | Win98 after all.) That is a lie, PCR. It is needed according to
| : April issue
| : | of PC Today and according to my knowledge and study of the 9x
| : operating
| : | system.
| : |
| : | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| : | news:%23nzorZ1JFHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| : ...snip
| :
| :
|
|
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
March 14, 2005 8:11:38 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

It was released on the 8th.
I use dial-up and haven't noticed any difference.
--
mae

"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137uk3bgio2d5e@corp.supernews.com...
| This update was released... yesterday, correct ? Heaven help you helpers
of
| this newsgroup... the real onslaught of posts have yet to arrive.
|
| Many or most of these users... won't be able to easily disable the process
| via msconfig., won't know what to do!! They will be going in circles
| dialing up, launching IE, crashing to BSOD, restarting
| and....................... will be lost in a cruel loop!!
|
---bigsnip-----
!