What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?

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If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx

If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
replacing an existing file).

Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
it (via msconfig).

Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?

Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
properly install it) ?

Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?

Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

 

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I removed it by the "Add/Remove programs" in the Control Panel. I too don't
like programs running in the background.


--
Don
Vancouver, USA


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
>
> If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
>
> If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> replacing an existing file).
>
> Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> it (via msconfig).
>
> Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
>
> Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> properly install it) ?
>
> Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
>
> Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

 

[Dan]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.setup,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update (More info?)

According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

 

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Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
> not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
> because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
> all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
> updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
> 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
> sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
> temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
> programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
> PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
> of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
> or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
> and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
> to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
> about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
> without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
> small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
> finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
> your computer problems. Have a nice day!
>
> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> :
> : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> :
> : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> :
> : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> : replacing an existing file).
> :
> : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> : it (via msconfig).
> :
> : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> :
> : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> : properly install it) ?
> :
> : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> :
> : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
>
>

 

[Dan]

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Sure Ivan, the patch was not released in the best manner by Microsoft but I
still give Microsoft credit for finally patching the vulnerability. If you
or anyone else want to leave your machine unpatched without this critical
update then don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to your
computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of
changes. Remember, 98, 98SE and ME are in final support stage and last
support will be elimated on 9x machines after 30 June 2006. Sure on-line
articles and stuff will still be available but there will be no more critical
updates unless something radical changes at Microsoft. Remember, Microsoft
has insisted on choosing the NT line and I feel that decision is flawed and I
have tried to change them as best as I can but the hope for the future seems
to belong to Linux, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other open-source companies.
Have a nice night!

"Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it
on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.
:
: And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
:
: Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.
:
:
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of
now
: > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
update
: > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
compromise
: > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
: > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
maximum of
: > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
: > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
: > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
a
: > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
If
: > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
CRITICAL
: > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
because
: > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
cable
: > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
this
: > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
system
: > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
lot
: > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
it
: > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
: > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
one
: > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists
and
: > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
with
: > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: >
: > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > :
: > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > :
: > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
: > :
: > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: > : replacing an existing file).
: > :
: > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: > : it (via msconfig).
: > :
: > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
: > :
: > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: > : properly install it) ?
: > :
: > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > :
: > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: >
: >

 

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I meant since September 2003...

"Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed.
>
> And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
>
> Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc.
>
>
>
> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
> > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
> > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
> > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
> > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
> > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
> > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
> > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
> > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
> > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
> > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
> > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
> > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
> > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
> > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
> > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
> > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
> > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
> > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> >
> > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > :
> > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > :
> > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > :
> > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> > : replacing an existing file).
> > :
> > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> > : it (via msconfig).
> > :
> > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> > :
> > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> > : properly install it) ?
> > :
> > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > :
> > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> >
> >

 

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Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.
>
> And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
>
> Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.
>
>
>
> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
of now
> > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
update
> > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
compromise
> > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
been
> > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
maximum of
> > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
am
> > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
a
> > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
If
> > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
CRITICAL
> > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
because
> > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
cable
> > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
this
> > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
system
> > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
lot
> > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
it
> > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
one
> > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
terriorists and
> > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
with
> > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> >
> > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > :
> > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > :
> > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > :
> > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> > : replacing an existing file).
> > :
> > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> > : it (via msconfig).
> > :
> > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> > :
> > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> > : properly install it) ?
> > :
> > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > :
> > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> >
> >

 

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SFB - KB3MM wrote:

> Whata's the downside of this update?

Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.

John

 

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Look through some of the recent threats in win98.gen_discussion...

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Whata's the downside of this update?
>
> "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
> it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
> general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
> hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
> greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
> there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
> 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
> difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
> in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
> time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
> one patch installed.
> >
> > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
> anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
> a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
> than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
> aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> >
> > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
> know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
> without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
> testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
> of now
> > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
> update
> > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> compromise
> > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
> been
> > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
> maximum of
> > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
> am
> > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
> a
> > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
> If
> > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
> CRITICAL
> > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
> because
> > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
> cable
> > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
> this
> > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
> system
> > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
> lot
> > > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
> it
> > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
> one
> > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> terriorists and
> > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
> with
> > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> > >
> > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > > :
> > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > > :
> > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > > :
> > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> > > : replacing an existing file).
> > > :
> > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> > > : it (via msconfig).
> > > :
> > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> > > :
> > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> > > : properly install it) ?
> > > :
> > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > > :
> > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> > >
> > >
>

 

[Dan]

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Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of
the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
users.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
: news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
: it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
: general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
: hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
: greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
that
: there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
Windows
: 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
: difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
significant
: in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
: time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
: one patch installed.
: >
: > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
run
: a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
other
: than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
: aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: >
: > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
: know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
without
: testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: >
: >
: >
: > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
: of now
: > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
: update
: > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: compromise
: > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
: been
: > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: maximum of
: > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
the
: > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
: am
: > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this
is
: a
: > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
: If
: > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
: CRITICAL
: > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
: because
: > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
: cable
: > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
: this
: > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
: system
: > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know
a
: lot
: > > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably
do
: it
: > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
the
: > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
get
: one
: > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists and
: > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
: with
: > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: > >
: > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > > :
: > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > > :
: > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
: > > :
: > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
update
: > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: > > : replacing an existing file).
: > > :
: > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
: > > : it (via msconfig).
: > > :
: > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
: > > :
: > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: > > : properly install it) ?
: > > :
: > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > > :
: > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: > >
: > >
:

 

[Dan]

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It is indeed a running service.

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O1wAQa4JFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: SFB - KB3MM wrote:
:
: > Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
:
: John

 

[Guest]

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Just on a personal experience note here, ever since I installed these latest
security updates including: "Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002
Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code
Execution (891711)"
I have had many blue screens of death to the point of hard rebooting to get
out. It seems that this update is causing me nothing but grief (Win98
3.10.2222, AMD K6-2 450MHz). I am removing this one because I cannot use my
computer with it! Has anyone else experienced this kind of behavior?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote:

> Look through some of the recent threats in win98.gen_discussion...
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Whata's the downside of this update?
> >
> > "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> > news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
> > it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
> > general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
> > hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> > inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
> > greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
> > there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
> > 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
> > difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
> > in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> > vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
> > time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
> > one patch installed.
> > >
> > > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
> > anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
> > a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
> > than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
> > aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> > >
> > > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
> > know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
> > without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
> > testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
> > of now
> > > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
> > update
> > > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> > compromise
> > > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
> > been
> > > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
> > maximum of
> > > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> > > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
> > am
> > > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
> > a
> > > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
> > If
> > > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
> > CRITICAL
> > > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
> > because
> > > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
> > cable
> > > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
> > this
> > > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
> > system
> > > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
> > lot
> > > > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
> > it
> > > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> > > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
> > one
> > > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> > terriorists and
> > > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
> > with
> > > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> > > >
> > > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > > > :
> > > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > > > :
> > > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > > > :
> > > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> > > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> > > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> > > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> > > > : replacing an existing file).
> > > > :
> > > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> > > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> > > > : it (via msconfig).
> > > > :
> > > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> > > > :
> > > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> > > > : properly install it) ?
> > > > :
> > > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > > > :
> > > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>

 

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good question guy,

it turned up running in the background on my computer after i did a
critical update.

i have so far disabled it using <msconfig>.

would like to know what it is all about as well?

tia

len

snipped
--
happy gardening
'it works for me it could work for you,'

"in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/

my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send.

 

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Get rid of OE.

John

len gardener wrote:

> good question guy,
>
> it turned up running in the background on my computer after i did a
> critical update.
>
> i have so far disabled it using <msconfig>.
>
> would like to know what it is all about as well?
>
> tia
>
> len
>
> snipped

 

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Why? What does OE have to do with KB891711.EXE?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:u08QvY2JFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Get rid of OE.
>
> John
>
> len gardener wrote:
>
> > good question guy,
> >
> > it turned up running in the background on my computer after i did a
> > critical update.
> >
> > i have so far disabled it using <msconfig>.
> >
> > would like to know what it is all about as well?
> >
> > tia
> >
> > len
> >
> > snipped

 

[Dan]

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Nothing AFAIK. It is just a side conversation, I guess. <???>
BTW, John I do have Mozilla Thunderbird working in both this newsgroup and
the xp general newsgroup. I tried it and it was great. However, I just
choose to continue to use Outlook Express.

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23Dqypw4JFHA.3076@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: Why? What does OE have to do with KB891711.EXE?
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
: news:u08QvY2JFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > Get rid of OE.
: >
: > John
: >
: > len gardener wrote:
: >
: > > good question guy,
: > >
: > > it turned up running in the background on my computer after i did a
: > > critical update.
: > >
: > > i have so far disabled it using <msconfig>.
: > >
: > > would like to know what it is all about as well?
: > >
: > > tia
: > >
: > > len
: > >
: > > snipped
:

 

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Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002
Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code
Execution (891711)

Vulnerability Details

Cursor and Icon Format Handling Vulnerability - CAN-2004-1049:

A remote code execution vulnerability exists in the way that cursor,
animated cursor, and icon formats are handled. An attacker could try to
exploit the vulnerability by constructing a malicious cursor or icon
file that could potentially allow remote code execution if a user
visited a malicious Web site or viewed a malicious e-mail message. An
attacker who successfully exploited this vulnerability could take
complete control of an affected system.

Mitigating Factors for Cursor and Icon Format Handling Vulnerability -
CAN-2004-1049:
•

In a Web-based attack scenario, an attacker would have to host a Web
site that contains a Web page that is used to exploit this
vulnerability. An attacker could also attempt to compromise a Web site
to have it serve up a Web page with malicious content attempting to
exploit this vulnerability. An attacker would have no way to force users
to visit a Web site. Instead, an attacker would have to persuade them to
visit the Web site, typically by getting them to click a link that takes
them to the attacker's site or a site compromised by the attacker.
•

An attacker who successfully exploited this vulnerability could gain the
same user rights as the local user. Users whose accounts are configured
to have fewer user rights on the system could be less impacted than
users who operate with administrative user rights.
•

By default, Outlook Express 6, Outlook 2002, and Outlook 2003 open HTML
e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone. Additionally, Outlook 2000
opens HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone if the Outlook
E-mail Security Update has been installed. Outlook Express 5.5 Service
Pack 2 opens HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone if
Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 has been installed. The Restricted
sites zone helps reduce attacks that could attempt to exploit this
vulnerability.

The risk of attack from the HTML e-mail vector can be significantly
reduced if you meet all the following conditions:
•

Apply the update that is included with Microsoft Security Bulletin
MS03-040 or a later Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer.
•

Use Internet Explorer 6 or later.
•

Use the Microsoft Outlook E-mail Security Update, use Microsoft Outlook
Express 6 or later, or use Microsoft Outlook 2000 Service Pack 2 or
later in its default configuration.
•

Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 is not affected by this vulnerability.
Top of sectionTop of section

Workarounds for Cursor and Icon Format Handling Vulnerability -
CAN-2004-1049:

Microsoft has tested the following workarounds. While these workarounds
will not correct the underlying vulnerability, they help block known
attack vectors. When a workaround reduces functionality, it is
identified below.
•

Install the Outlook E-mail Security Update if you are using Outlook 2000
SP1 or earlier.

By default, Outlook Express 6, Outlook 2002 and Outlook 2003 open HTML
e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone. Additionally, Outlook 2000
opens HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone if the Outlook
E-mail Security Update has been installed.

Outlook Express 5.5 Service Pack 2 opens HTML e-mail messages in the
Restricted sites zone if Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 has been
installed. Customers who use any of these products could be at a reduced
risk from an e-mail-borne attack that tries to exploit this
vulnerability unless the user clicks a malicious link in the e-mail message.
•

Read e-mail messages in plain text format if you are using Outlook 2002
or later, or Outlook Express 6 SP1 or later, to help protect yourself
from the HTML e-mail attack vector.

Microsoft Outlook 2002 users who have applied Office XP Service Pack 1
or later and Microsoft Outlook Express 6 users who have applied Internet
Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 can enable this setting and view e-mail
messages that are not digitally signed or e-mail messages that are not
encrypted in plain text only.

Digitally signed e-mail messages or encrypted e-mail messages are not
affected by the setting and may be read in their original formats. For
more information about enabling this setting in Outlook 2002, see
Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 307594.

For information about this setting in Outlook Express 6, see Microsoft
Knowledge Base Article 291387.

Impact of Workaround: E-mail messages that are viewed in plain text
format will not contain pictures, specialized fonts, animations, or
other rich content. In addition:
•

The changes are applied to the preview pane and to open messages.
•

Pictures become attachments so that they are not lost.
•

Because the message is still in Rich Text or HTML format in the store,
the object model (custom code solutions) may behave unexpectedly.

John

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Why? What does OE have to do with KB891711.EXE?
>

 

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Dan wrote:

> I just choose to continue to use Outlook Express.

Good for you, keep on applying them security patches that run as services.

John

 

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That hardly answers the question. All that says is that viewing email in
HTML format can be risky. I don't see how switching from OE to some
other newsreader will change that. If you view email in HTML format, you
are much more at risk than if you view it in plain text, period. Not
only from the vulnerabilities mentioned in this Security Bulletin, but
from a myriad of other vulnerabilities involving HTML rendering. So, the
answer is: View email in PlainText only. Fortunately, OE6 and up have
this option--to view email in PlainText only. Does your newsreader have
that option? And do you use it? If not, you're engaging in risky
behavior.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eeLJ2h5JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>
> > Why? What does OE have to do with KB891711.EXE?
> >
verbatim copy of MS05-002 snipped.

 

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OK, Just looked with TaskInfo 2003:
KB891711.exe is indeed running and consuming 0.04% of the CPU.

It was started by MPREXE.EXE

It has 464 KB in memory with 0KB in use for data.

It has 488 KB in memory with 0KB in use for code.

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O1wAQa4JFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> SFB - KB3MM wrote:
>
> > Whata's the downside of this update?
>
> Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
>
> John

 

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If you like services running in the background good for you. I don't
like it.

John

SFB - KB3MM wrote:

> OK, Just looked with TaskInfo 2003:
> KB891711.exe is indeed running and consuming 0.04% of the CPU.
>
> It was started by MPREXE.EXE
>
> It has 464 KB in memory with 0KB in use for data.
>
> It has 488 KB in memory with 0KB in use for code.
>
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:O1wAQa4JFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>>SFB - KB3MM wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Whata's the downside of this update?
>>
>>Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
>>
>>John
>
>

 

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Apple is open source now? Hard to believe.

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:uSdX0g4JFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Sure Ivan, the patch was not released in the best manner by Microsoft but
I
> still give Microsoft credit for finally patching the vulnerability. If
you
> or anyone else want to leave your machine unpatched without this critical
> update then don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to
your
> computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of
> changes. Remember, 98, 98SE and ME are in final support stage and last
> support will be elimated on 9x machines after 30 June 2006. Sure on-line
> articles and stuff will still be available but there will be no more
critical
> updates unless something radical changes at Microsoft. Remember,
Microsoft
> has insisted on choosing the NT line and I feel that decision is flawed
and I
> have tried to change them as best as I can but the hope for the future
seems
> to belong to Linux, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other open-source
companies.
> Have a nice night!
>
> "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
it
> on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
> general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
other
> hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
> greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
that
> there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
Windows
> 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
> difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
significant
> in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
> time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
this
> one patch installed.
> :
> : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
> anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
run
> a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
other
> than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
> aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> :
> : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
> know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
> without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
without
> testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> :
> :
> :
> : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
of
> now
> : > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
> update
> : > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> compromise
> : > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
been
> : > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
> maximum of
> : > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
the
> : > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
am
> : > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this
is
> a
> : > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
> If
> : > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
> CRITICAL
> : > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
> because
> : > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
USB
> cable
> : > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
> this
> : > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
> system
> : > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know
a
> lot
> : > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably
do
> it
> : > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
the
> : > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
get
> one
> : > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
terriorists
> and
> : > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
> with
> : > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> : >
> : > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> : > :
> : > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> : > :
> : > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> : > :
> : > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> : > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
background.
> : > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
update
> : > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> : > : replacing an existing file).
> : > :
> : > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> : > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
> : > : it (via msconfig).
> : > :
> : > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> : > :
> : > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> : > : properly install it) ?
> : > :
> : > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> : > :
> : > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> : >
> : >
>
>

 

[Dan]

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My goof. Apple is not open source -- LOL!!

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:%23odReB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Apple is open source now? Hard to believe.
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:uSdX0g4JFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > Sure Ivan, the patch was not released in the best manner by Microsoft but
: I
: > still give Microsoft credit for finally patching the vulnerability. If
: you
: > or anyone else want to leave your machine unpatched without this critical
: > update then don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to
: your
: > computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of
: > changes. Remember, 98, 98SE and ME are in final support stage and last
: > support will be elimated on 9x machines after 30 June 2006. Sure on-line
: > articles and stuff will still be available but there will be no more
: critical
: > updates unless something radical changes at Microsoft. Remember,
: Microsoft
: > has insisted on choosing the NT line and I feel that decision is flawed
: and I
: > have tried to change them as best as I can but the hope for the future
: seems
: > to belong to Linux, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other open-source
: companies.
: > Have a nice night!
: >
: > "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
: > news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
install
: it
: > on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
: > general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
: other
: > hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: > inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
far
: > greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
: that
: > there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
: Windows
: > 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
: > difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: significant
: > in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: > vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
the
: > time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
: this
: > one patch installed.
: > :
: > : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: > anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
: run
: > a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
: other
: > than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
: > aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: > :
: > : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
: > know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: > without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
: without
: > testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
as
: of
: > now
: > : > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
: > update
: > : > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: > compromise
: > : > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
: been
: > : > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: > maximum of
: > : > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
: the
: > : > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because
I
: am
: > : > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this
: is
: > a
: > : > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
on-line.
: > If
: > : > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
: > CRITICAL
: > : > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
: > because
: > : > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
: USB
: > cable
: > : > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
: > this
: > : > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
: > system
: > : > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
know
: a
: > lot
: > : > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably
: do
: > it
: > : > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
: the
: > : > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
: get
: > one
: > : > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists
: > and
: > : > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
you
: > with
: > : > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: > : >
: > : > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
: news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > : > :
: > : > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > : > :
: > : > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
: > : > :
: > : > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: > : > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > : > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: background.
: > : > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
: update
: > : > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: > : > : replacing an existing file).
: > : > :
: > : > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: > : > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: deactivating
: > : > : it (via msconfig).
: > : > :
: > : > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?
: > : > :
: > : > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: > : > : properly install it) ?
: > : > :
: > : > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > : > :
: > : > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: > : >
: > : >
: >
: >
:

 

[Guest]

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Any particular boards?

Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
saying it must be ...?

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
> some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of
> the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
> users.
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Whata's the downside of this update?
> :
> : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
install
> : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates
in
> : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
other
> : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
far
> : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
> that
> : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
> Windows
> : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,
the
> : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> significant
> : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
the
> : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
this
> : one patch installed.
> : >
> : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
> : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
> run
> : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
> other
> : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
> : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> : >
> : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I
do
> : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
> : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
> without
> : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
as
> : of now
> : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
> : update
> : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> : compromise
> : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
> : been
> : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
> : maximum of
> : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
> the
> : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because
I
> : am
> : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
this
> is
> : a
> : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
on-line.
> : If
> : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
> : CRITICAL
> : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
patch
> : because
> : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
USB
> : cable
> : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not
do
> : this
> : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
your
> : system
> : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
know
> a
> : lot
> : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
probably
> do
> : it
> : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
> the
> : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
> get
> : one
> : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> : terriorists and
> : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
you
> : with
> : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> : > >
> : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> : > > :
> : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> : > > :
> : > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> : > > :
> : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
background.
> : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
> update
> : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
simply
> : > > : replacing an existing file).
> : > > :
> : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
critical
> : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> deactivating
> : > > : it (via msconfig).
> : > > :
> : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?
> : > > :
> : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode
to
> : > > : properly install it) ?
> : > > :
> : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> : > > :
> : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> : > >
> : > >
> :
>
>

 

[Dan]

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It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Any particular boards?
:
: Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
: saying it must be ...?
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
: > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some
of
: > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
: > users.
: >
: > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
: > news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > : Whata's the downside of this update?
: > :
: > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
: > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
: install
: > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
updates
: in
: > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
: other
: > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
: far
: > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
: > that
: > : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
: > Windows
: > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,
: the
: > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: > significant
: > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
: the
: > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
: this
: > : one patch installed.
: > : >
: > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
would
: > run
: > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
: > other
: > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being
: > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: > : >
: > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I
: do
: > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
: > without
: > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
: as
: > : of now
: > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
critical
: > : update
: > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: > : compromise
: > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
not
: > : been
: > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: > : maximum of
: > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected
to
: > the
: > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
because
: I
: > : am
: > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
: this
: > is
: > : a
: > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
: on-line.
: > : If
: > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
this
: > : CRITICAL
: > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
: patch
: > : because
: > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
: USB
: > : cable
: > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not
: do
: > : this
: > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
: your
: > : system
: > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
: know
: > a
: > : lot
: > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
: probably
: > do
: > : it
: > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
keeping
: > the
: > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
and
: > get
: > : one
: > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: > : terriorists and
: > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
: you
: > : with
: > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: > : > >
: > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
: > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > : > > :
: > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > : > > :
: > : > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
: > : > > :
: > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
week)
: > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: background.
: > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
: > update
: > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
: simply
: > : > > : replacing an existing file).
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
: critical
: > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: > deactivating
: > : > > : it (via msconfig).
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
: KB891711.EXE?
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode
: to
: > : > > : properly install it) ?
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: > : > >
: > : > >
: > :
: >
: >
: