What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?

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I removed it by the "Add/Remove programs" in the Control Panel. I too don't
like programs running in the background.


--
Don
Vancouver, USA


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
>
> If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
>
> If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> replacing an existing file).
>
> Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> it (via msconfig).
>
> Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
>
> Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> properly install it) ?
>
> Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
>
> Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

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According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

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g'day john john,

i don't use oe for much is there another program similar that i can
use instead?

ta

len

snipped
--
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Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
> not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
> because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
> all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
> updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
> 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
> sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
> temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
> programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
> PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
> of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
> or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
> and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
> to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
> about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
> without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
> small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
> finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
> your computer problems. Have a nice day!
>
> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> :
> : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> :
> : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
> :
> : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> : replacing an existing file).
> :
> : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> : it (via msconfig).
> :
> : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> :
> : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> : properly install it) ?
> :
> : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> :
> : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
>
>

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Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.
>
> And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
>
> Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.
>
>
>
> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
of now
> > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
update
> > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
compromise
> > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
been
> > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
maximum of
> > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
am
> > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
a
> > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
If
> > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
CRITICAL
> > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
because
> > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
cable
> > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
this
> > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
system
> > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
lot
> > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
it
> > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
one
> > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
terriorists and
> > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
with
> > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> >
> > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > :
> > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > :
> > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
> > :
> > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> > : replacing an existing file).
> > :
> > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> > : it (via msconfig).
> > :
> > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> > :
> > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> > : properly install it) ?
> > :
> > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > :
> > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> >
> >

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SFB - KB3MM wrote:

> Whata's the downside of this update?

Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.

John

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"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message newsbT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Whata's the downside of this update?
>
> "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
> it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
> general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
> hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
> greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
> there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
> 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
> difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
> in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
> time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
> one patch installed.
> >
> > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
> anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
> a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
> than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
> aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> >
> > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
> know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
> without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
> testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
> of now
> > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
> update
> > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> compromise
> > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
> been
> > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
> maximum of
> > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
> > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
> am
> > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
> a
> > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
> If
> > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
> CRITICAL
> > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
> because
> > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
> cable
> > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
> this
> > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
> system
> > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
> lot
> > > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
> it
> > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
> > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
> one
> > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> terriorists and
> > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
> with
> > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> > >
> > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > > :
> > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > > :
> > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
> > > :
> > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
> > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
> > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
> > > : replacing an existing file).
> > > :
> > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
> > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
> > > : it (via msconfig).
> > > :
> > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
> > > :
> > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
> > > : properly install it) ?
> > > :
> > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > > :
> > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> > >
> > >
>

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Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of
the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
users.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
newsbT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
: news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
: it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
: general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
: hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
: greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
that
: there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
Windows
: 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
: difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
significant
: in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
: time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
: one patch installed.
: >
: > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
run
: a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
other
: than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
: aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: >
: > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
: know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
without
: testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: >
: >
: >
: > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
: of now
: > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
: update
: > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: compromise
: > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
: been
: > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: maximum of
: > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
the
: > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
: am
: > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this
is
: a
: > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
: If
: > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
: CRITICAL
: > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
: because
: > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
: cable
: > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
: this
: > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
: system
: > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know
a
: lot
: > > about security on computers and weak access points and could probably
do
: it
: > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
the
: > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
get
: one
: > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists and
: > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
: with
: > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: > >
: > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > > :
: > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > > :
: > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
: > > :
: > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
update
: > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: > > : replacing an existing file).
: > > :
: > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
: > > : it (via msconfig).
: > > :
: > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
: > > :
: > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: > > : properly install it) ?
: > > :
: > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > > :
: > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: > >
: > >
:

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> with Outlook Express.
>
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> :
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> : John
> :
> :
> :
> : len gardener wrote:
> :
> : > g'day john john,
> : >
> : > i don't use oe for much is there another program similar that i can
> : > use instead?
> : >
> : > ta
> : >
> : > len
> : >
> : > snipped
>
>

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OK, Just looked with TaskInfo 2003:
KB891711.exe is indeed running and consuming 0.04% of the CPU.

It was started by MPREXE.EXE

It has 464 KB in memory with 0KB in use for data.

It has 488 KB in memory with 0KB in use for code.

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news1wAQa4JFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> SFB - KB3MM wrote:
>
> > Whata's the downside of this update?
>
> Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
>
> John

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Any particular boards?

Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
saying it must be ...?

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
> some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of
> the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
> users.
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> newsbT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Whata's the downside of this update?
> :
> : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
install
> : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates
in
> : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
other
> : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
far
> : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
> that
> : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
> Windows
> : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,
the
> : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> significant
> : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
the
> : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
this
> : one patch installed.
> : >
> : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
> : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
> run
> : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
> other
> : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
> : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> : >
> : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I
do
> : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
> : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
> without
> : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
as
> : of now
> : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
> : update
> : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> : compromise
> : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
> : been
> : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
> : maximum of
> : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
> the
> : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because
I
> : am
> : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
this
> is
> : a
> : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
on-line.
> : If
> : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
> : CRITICAL
> : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
patch
> : because
> : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
USB
> : cable
> : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not
do
> : this
> : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
your
> : system
> : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
know
> a
> : lot
> : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
probably
> do
> : it
> : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
> the
> : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
> get
> : one
> : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> : terriorists and
> : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
you
> : with
> : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> : > >
> : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> : > > :
> : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> : > > :
> : > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
> : > > :
> : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
background.
> : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
> update
> : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
simply
> : > > : replacing an existing file).
> : > > :
> : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
critical
> : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> deactivating
> : > > : it (via msconfig).
> : > > :
> : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?
> : > > :
> : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode
to
> : > > : properly install it) ?
> : > > :
> : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> : > > :
> : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> : > >
> : > >
> :
>
>

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It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Any particular boards?
:
: Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
: saying it must be ...?
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
: > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some
of
: > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
: > users.
: >
: > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
: > newsbT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > : Whata's the downside of this update?
: > :
: > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
: > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
: install
: > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
updates
: in
: > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
: other
: > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
: far
: > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
: > that
: > : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
: > Windows
: > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,
: the
: > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: > significant
: > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
: the
: > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
: this
: > : one patch installed.
: > : >
: > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
would
: > run
: > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
: > other
: > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being
: > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: > : >
: > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I
: do
: > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
: > without
: > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
: as
: > : of now
: > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
critical
: > : update
: > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: > : compromise
: > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
not
: > : been
: > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: > : maximum of
: > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected
to
: > the
: > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
because
: I
: > : am
: > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
: this
: > is
: > : a
: > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
: on-line.
: > : If
: > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
this
: > : CRITICAL
: > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
: patch
: > : because
: > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
: USB
: > : cable
: > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not
: do
: > : this
: > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
: your
: > : system
: > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
: know
: > a
: > : lot
: > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
: probably
: > do
: > : it
: > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
keeping
: > the
: > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
and
: > get
: > : one
: > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: > : terriorists and
: > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
: you
: > : with
: > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: > : > >
: > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
: > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > : > > :
: > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > : > > :
: > : > > : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
: > : > > :
: > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
week)
: > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: background.
: > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
: > update
: > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
: simply
: > : > > : replacing an existing file).
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
: critical
: > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: > deactivating
: > : > > : it (via msconfig).
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
: KB891711.EXE?
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode
: to
: > : > > : properly install it) ?
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > : > > :
: > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: > : > >
: > : > >
: > :
: >
: >
:

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Ditch OE altogether.

http://www.us-cert.gov/

OE search - about 414 results found, top 250 sorted by relevance
http://search.us-cert.gov/query.ht [...] qt=outlook

Been like that for years, ever since it was introduced to say the truth.
Corporate policy recommends and bans its use in many places for example:

http://www.etsii.upm.es/inforgen/ssii/cambridge.html

John

len gardener wrote:

> thanks john john,
>
> i use oe mostly for the usenet i have e/mail readers well covered.
>
> ta
>
> len
>
> snipped

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Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'

the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....

roof is needed not rumors.

I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Any particular boards?
> :
> : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
> : saying it must be ...?
> :
> : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
with
> : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For
some
> of
> : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all
the
> : > users.
> : >
> : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> : > newsbT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
> : > :
> : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
> : install
> : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
> updates
> : in
> : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on
the
> : other
> : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch
is
> : far
> : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in
mind
> : > that
> : > : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
> : > Windows
> : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed
out,
> : the
> : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> : > significant
> : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure
all
> : the
> : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not
having
> : this
> : > : one patch installed.
> : > : >
> : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
WITHOUT
> : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
> would
> : > run
> : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing
found
> : > other
> : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
> being
> : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> : > : >
> : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what
I
> : do
> : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
manner,
> : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
> : > without
> : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that
has
> : as
> : > : of now
> : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
> critical
> : > : update
> : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> : > : compromise
> : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
> not
> : > : been
> : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be
a
> : > : maximum of
> : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
connected
> to
> : > the
> : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
> because
> : I
> : > : am
> : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
> : this
> : > is
> : > : a
> : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
> : on-line.
> : > : If
> : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
> this
> : > : CRITICAL
> : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
> : patch
> : > : because
> : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet
cable,
> : USB
> : > : cable
> : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do
not
> : do
> : > : this
> : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
> : your
> : > : system
> : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although
I
> : know
> : > a
> : > : lot
> : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
> : probably
> : > do
> : > : it
> : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
> keeping
> : > the
> : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
> and
> : > get
> : > : one
> : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> : > : terriorists and
> : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can
help
> : you
> : > : with
> : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> : > : > >
> : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
> week)
> : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
> : background.
> : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any
such
> : > update
> : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
> : simply
> : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
> : critical
> : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> : > deactivating
> : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> : KB891711.EXE?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe
mode
> : to
> : > : > > : properly install it) ?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>

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If you like services running in the background good for you. I don't
like it.

John

SFB - KB3MM wrote:

> OK, Just looked with TaskInfo 2003:
> KB891711.exe is indeed running and consuming 0.04% of the CPU.
>
> It was started by MPREXE.EXE
>
> It has 464 KB in memory with 0KB in use for data.
>
> It has 488 KB in memory with 0KB in use for code.
>
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news1wAQa4JFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>>SFB - KB3MM wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Whata's the downside of this update?
>>
>>Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
>>
>>John
>
>

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thanks john john,

i will sus' all that info out never been happy with oe.

len

snipped
--
happy gardening
'it works for me it could work for you,'

"in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/

my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send.

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That hardly answers the question. All that says is that viewing email in
HTML format can be risky. I don't see how switching from OE to some
other newsreader will change that. If you view email in HTML format, you
are much more at risk than if you view it in plain text, period. Not
only from the vulnerabilities mentioned in this Security Bulletin, but
from a myriad of other vulnerabilities involving HTML rendering. So, the
answer is: View email in PlainText only. Fortunately, OE6 and up have
this option--to view email in PlainText only. Does your newsreader have
that option? And do you use it? If not, you're engaging in risky
behavior.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eeLJ2h5JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>
> > Why? What does OE have to do with KB891711.EXE?
> >
verbatim copy of MS05-002 snipped.

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I'm not looking for a different email client. I'm simply responding to
someone who seems to think that using some other email client will
protect him from malicious code in HTML emails and that it's OE itself
that is the problem--neither proposition is true.

I use OE6, with PT-Only set. On occasion, idiots who send out HTML email
in which certain parts can *only* be seen in HTML force me to
temporarily allow HTML rendering. Major companies like Microsoft and
Computer Associates seem to be the worst offenders.

But I'm quite happy with my OE and see no compelling reason to change it
for any other email or news client.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Me &" <myself@no-email.com> wrote in message
news7c831h7542gt7ien7k8upvjqqg4se1emd@4ax.com...
> Find yourself a copy of Eudora 3.0.5 (very old). It's text only
> email. If there are pictures included you can choose to view them,
> but no html email. That's all I run. I hate html in my email.
> You can still download it from Eudora, but I am not sure if it can be
> purchased any longer. I bought it many years ago, I upgraded to a
> newer version, and found the newer ones were html ONLY. I went back
> to the old version.
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:29:02 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
> <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >That hardly answers the question. All that says is that viewing email
in
> >HTML format can be risky. I don't see how switching from OE to some
> >other newsreader will change that. If you view email in HTML format,
you
> >are much more at risk than if you view it in plain text, period. Not
> >only from the vulnerabilities mentioned in this Security Bulletin,
but
> >from a myriad of other vulnerabilities involving HTML rendering. So,
the
> >answer is: View email in PlainText only. Fortunately, OE6 and up have
> >this option--to view email in PlainText only. Does your newsreader
have
> >that option? And do you use it? If not, you're engaging in risky
> >behavior.
>

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Wow, thanks for the warning. User is now highly thinking of making due with
posting in Mozilla Thunderbird. Have a nice day! <Hmmm, I must research
this information>

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eDnELK5JFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: Ditch OE altogether.
:
: http://www.us-cert.gov/
:
: OE search - about 414 results found, top 250 sorted by relevance
:
http://search.us-cert.gov/query.ht [...] qt=outlook
:
: Been like that for years, ever since it was introduced to say the truth.
: Corporate policy recommends and bans its use in many places for example:
:
: http://www.etsii.upm.es/inforgen/ssii/cambridge.html
:
: John
:
: len gardener wrote:
:
: > thanks john john,
: >
: > i use oe mostly for the usenet i have e/mail readers well covered.
: >
: > ta
: >
: > len
: >
: > snipped

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Okay, I will do and your other post made me see the light so I may start
using Mozilla Thunderbird instead.

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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: Dan wrote:
:
: > I just choose to continue to use Outlook Express.
:
: Good for you, keep on applying them security patches that run as services.
:
: John

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Great Post, Gary. <Hear, Hear> Also, make sure to block all HTML code in
e-mail like in Yahoo or Hotmail and I suggest with Yahoo --- e-mail that a
user always logs in with 128 bit RC4 encryption and limits access to e-mail
account on a need to know basis.

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
newslZ3545JFHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: That hardly answers the question. All that says is that viewing email in
: HTML format can be risky. I don't see how switching from OE to some
: other newsreader will change that. If you view email in HTML format, you
: are much more at risk than if you view it in plain text, period. Not
: only from the vulnerabilities mentioned in this Security Bulletin, but
: from a myriad of other vulnerabilities involving HTML rendering. So, the
: answer is: View email in PlainText only. Fortunately, OE6 and up have
: this option--to view email in PlainText only. Does your newsreader have
: that option? And do you use it? If not, you're engaging in risky
: behavior.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
: news:eeLJ2h5JFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
: >
: > > Why? What does OE have to do with KB891711.EXE?
: > >
: verbatim copy of MS05-002 snipped.
:

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I am Googling for it now to test it if I can get a hold of this old program.

"Me &" <myself@no-email.com> wrote in message
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: Find yourself a copy of Eudora 3.0.5 (very old). It's text only
: email. If there are pictures included you can choose to view them,
: but no html email. That's all I run. I hate html in my email.
: You can still download it from Eudora, but I am not sure if it can be
: purchased any longer. I bought it many years ago, I upgraded to a
: newer version, and found the newer ones were html ONLY. I went back
: to the old version.
:
:
: On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:29:02 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
: <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote:
:
: >That hardly answers the question. All that says is that viewing email in
: >HTML format can be risky. I don't see how switching from OE to some
: >other newsreader will change that. If you view email in HTML format, you
: >are much more at risk than if you view it in plain text, period. Not
: >only from the vulnerabilities mentioned in this Security Bulletin, but
: >from a myriad of other vulnerabilities involving HTML rendering. So, the
: >answer is: View email in PlainText only. Fortunately, OE6 and up have
: >this option--to view email in PlainText only. Does your newsreader have
: >that option? And do you use it? If not, you're engaging in risky
: >behavior.
:

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It is not that big a deal but hopefully it will be fully incorporated in a
future Microsoft update like the other updates are.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
newsIUiTN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: I love it. 'So I've heard' Not picking on you, don't help spread rumors.
:
: Maybe it was just started by a Bill Basher.
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: newsuezvB5JFHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > It is indeed a running service.
: >
: > "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
: > news1wAQa4JFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: > : SFB - KB3MM wrote:
: > :
: > : > Whata's the downside of this update?
: > :
: > : Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
: > :
: > : John
: >
: >
:

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Thanks for letting me know. Do you have a broadband connection and are you
willing to share any software that you have at this newsgroup with us? You
do not have to tell us if you do not want to of course.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:e57ATN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
:
: the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....
:
: roof is needed not rumors.
:
: I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
: >
: > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
: > news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > : Any particular boards?
: > :
: > : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
: > : saying it must be ...?
: > :
: > : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
: with
: > : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For
: some
: > of
: > : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all
: the
: > : > users.
: > : >
: > : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
: > : > newsbT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
: > : > :
: > : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
: > : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
: > : install
: > : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
: > updates
: > : in
: > : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on
: the
: > : other
: > : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: > : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch
: is
: > : far
: > : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in
: mind
: > : > that
: > : > : there have been several updates this year considered "important"
for
: > : > Windows
: > : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed
: out,
: > : the
: > : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: > : > significant
: > : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably
*is*
: > : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure
: all
: > : the
: > : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not
: having
: > : this
: > : > : one patch installed.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
: WITHOUT
: > : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
: > would
: > : > run
: > : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing
: found
: > : > other
: > : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
: > being
: > : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but
what
: I
: > : do
: > : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
: manner,
: > : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
: > : > without
: > : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that
: has
: > : as
: > : > : of now
: > : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
: > critical
: > : > : update
: > : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: > : > : compromise
: > : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and
have
: > not
: > : > : been
: > : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will
be
: a
: > : > : maximum of
: > : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
: connected
: > to
: > : > the
: > : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
: > because
: > : I
: > : > : am
: > : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix
but
: > : this
: > : > is
: > : > : a
: > : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
: > : on-line.
: > : > : If
: > : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
: > this
: > : > : CRITICAL
: > : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
: > : patch
: > : > : because
: > : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet
: cable,
: > : USB
: > : > : cable
: > : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do
: not
: > : do
: > : > : this
: > : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking
for
: > : your
: > : > : system
: > : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although
: I
: > : know
: > : > a
: > : > : lot
: > : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
: > : probably
: > : > do
: > : > : it
: > : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
: > keeping
: > : > the
: > : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to
try
: > and
: > : > get
: > : > : one
: > : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: > : > : terriorists and
: > : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can
: help
: > : you
: > : > : with
: > : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
: > : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > :
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] 5-002.mspx
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
: > week)
: > : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: > : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: > : background.
: > : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any
: such
: > : > update
: > : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
: > : simply
: > : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
: > : critical
: > : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: > : > deactivating
: > : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
: > : KB891711.EXE?
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe
: mode
: > : to
: > : > : > > : properly install it) ?
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: > : > : > > :
: > : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > >
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:45:27 -0700, "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote:

>I am Googling for it now to test it if I can get a hold of this old program.

http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=eudora

I suggest 3.0.6.

--
Luke