Review of KB891711.EXE issue

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In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report the
results according to the schema below. My goal here is to collect data
in a standardized and methodical manner for MS techs to use. Trying to
pick through the somewhat haphazard anecdotal evidence that has been
posted thus far would make the task more difficult. Please refrain from
additional discussion of the issue in this thread. I'd like to keep it
clean of speculation, etc. I'm sure that if the techs want more specific
tests done, they'll ask, and I'm sure, also, that they will likely
review other posts to this NG for background.

1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?

2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
Registers, please.

3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)

4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
anywhere, yet.

5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
each juncture.

If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with KB891711.EXE
and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
*asterisk, but I'm not certain.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

 

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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
> KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
> encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report
the
> results according to the schema below. My goal here is to collect
data
> in a standardized and methodical manner for MS techs to use. Trying
to
> pick through the somewhat haphazard anecdotal evidence that has been
> posted thus far would make the task more difficult. Please refrain
from
> additional discussion of the issue in this thread. I'd like to keep
it
> clean of speculation, etc. I'm sure that if the techs want more
specific
> tests done, they'll ask, and I'm sure, also, that they will likely
> review other posts to this NG for background.
>
> 1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
>
> 2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
> enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact,
verbatim
> details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
> Registers, please.
>
> 3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
> errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
> MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
>
> 4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
> functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the
Startup
> tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
> internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most
especially
> IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
> anywhere, yet.
>
> 5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to
the
> internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want
to
> restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually
make
> it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for
invasion.
> Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
> connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
> reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled.
Then
> progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
> each juncture.
>
> If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with
KB891711.EXE
> and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
> related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
> *asterisk, but I'm not certain.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

 

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It appears that my first reply did not come through, so I'll summarize
my experience. I use cable. After I downloaded KB 891711 and 888113,
when I rebooted as soon as the quick start menu loaded, I got the blue
screen and an error message. Unfortunately, I did not write the error
message down, altho (as will be noted) I got it several times, but I
think it was 0X8007003. Each time I rebooted, I got the same result.
So, I went into Safe Mode and used System Restore to go back before the
download, and everything was OK; however, my download history noted
that the two updates were successfully downloaded. The next day I got
the Update alert and, foolishly, updated them again, with the same
result, and the same remedy. This time my update history noted two
successful downloads.

I checked MSCONFIG for starting programs and neither KB was listed.
I'm confused here. The updates were noted to be successful, but each
time I went back before the updates. Does that mean the downloads were
successful, but they haven't been installed? They are not in my start
menu and a search for them revealed nothing.

I'm not going to do the rest as my puter is working now and I intend to
keep it that way.

 

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:usbTRpKKFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
> KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
> encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report the
> results according to the schema below....
>
> 1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?

Dial-up.

> 2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
> enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
> details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
> Registers, please.

Laptop running Windows 98SE. Went to Windows Update and installed the two
latest updates (Q?250 and Q891711), one at a time and in that order.
Everything seemed fine, then my dialup connection terminated during an AVG
virus-definition download. Attempting to reconnect resulted in "no dial tone
detected" errors in DUN, even though the phone line was connected and OK. My
Active Desktop (a local HTML file) then turned into the WSOD; clicking on
"Restore Active Desktop" caused my system to stop responding to the mouse
and keyboard. Ctrl-Alt-Del having no effect, I had to turn the PC off and
back on.

On reboot, everything seemed fine after the obligatory Scandisk until after
the login prompt, when the WSOD desktop appeared and my computer locked up
after some but not all of my background programs had started up. Repeated
the hard reset a couple of times, with the same result.

Finally booted into Safe Mode (F5 is our friend) and removed 891711 from my
system via Add/Remove Programs. Restarted the PC, and everything was fine.
Ran my anti-virus and anti-spyware programs, nothing found.

> 3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
> errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
> MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
>
> 4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
> functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
> tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
> internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
> IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
> anywhere, yet.
>
> 5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
> internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
> restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
> it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
> Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
> connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
> reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
> progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
> each juncture.
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
>

 

[Bobster]

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Gary,

You said that KB891711 was an "obvious problem" and it sounds like it is for
many users. However, for my computer -- other than the odd fact that it
loads at startup and shows in MSCONFIG -- I have seen no effect of any
kind. I'm a Win98SE user, cable hookup, Firefox browser. Hope my good
fortune holds up!

=====================================================================
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:usbTRpKKFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
> KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
> encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report the
> results according to the schema below. My goal here is to collect data
> in a standardized and methodical manner for MS techs to use. Trying to
> pick through the somewhat haphazard anecdotal evidence that has been
> posted thus far would make the task more difficult. Please refrain from
> additional discussion of the issue in this thread. I'd like to keep it
> clean of speculation, etc. I'm sure that if the techs want more specific
> tests done, they'll ask, and I'm sure, also, that they will likely
> review other posts to this NG for background.
>
> 1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
>
> 2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
> enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
> details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
> Registers, please.
>
> 3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
> errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
> MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
>
> 4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
> functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
> tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
> internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
> IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
> anywhere, yet.
>
> 5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
> internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
> restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
> it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
> Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
> connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
> reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
> progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
> each juncture.
>
> If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with KB891711.EXE
> and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
> related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
> *asterisk, but I'm not certain.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
>

 

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> ...The next day I got the Update alert

Are you running Win98? Do you have Windows Critical Update Notification
Utility (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/224420) installed?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security

In Memoriam, MVP Alex Nichol (1935-2005)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx


irvingr5 wrote:
> It appears that my first reply did not come through, so I'll summarize
> my experience. I use cable. After I downloaded KB 891711 and 888113,
> when I rebooted as soon as the quick start menu loaded, I got the blue
> screen and an error message. Unfortunately, I did not write the error
> message down, altho (as will be noted) I got it several times, but I
> think it was 0X8007003. Each time I rebooted, I got the same result.
> So, I went into Safe Mode and used System Restore to go back before the
> download, and everything was OK; however, my download history noted
> that the two updates were successfully downloaded. The next day I got
> the Update alert and, foolishly, updated them again, with the same
> result, and the same remedy. This time my update history noted two
> successful downloads.
>
> I checked MSCONFIG for starting programs and neither KB was listed.
> I'm confused here. The updates were noted to be successful, but each
> time I went back before the updates. Does that mean the downloads were
> successful, but they haven't been installed? They are not in my start
> menu and a search for them revealed nothing.
>
> I'm not going to do the rest as my puter is working now and I intend to
> keep it that way.

 

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Hello, Gary, et. al.,

RE: WinME machines
The only item in msconfig/Startup related to System Restore under WinME is
the *statemgr, the State Manager responsible for supervising the
launch/execution of both System File Protect and System Restore. Unchecking
*statemgr in msconfig will disable both functions.

There is an extensive discussion of the KB 891711 problem, particularly in
....windowsme.general, where it is yet quite uncertain what the important
contributing cause/s is/are. An earlier suggestion that only early AMD
cpu's of <700 MHz are responsible appears not to be true.
Another suggestion is tentatively implicating certain BIOS's, as seen in an
earlier Win Update problem.
Other less probable causes include the chipset and the video adapter/driver.

We believe we have ruled out NAV and Live Update as the culprit.

HTH,
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:usbTRpKKFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
> KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
> encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report the
> results according to the schema below. My goal here is to collect data
> in a standardized and methodical manner for MS techs to use. Trying to
> pick through the somewhat haphazard anecdotal evidence that has been
> posted thus far would make the task more difficult. Please refrain from
> additional discussion of the issue in this thread. I'd like to keep it
> clean of speculation, etc. I'm sure that if the techs want more specific
> tests done, they'll ask, and I'm sure, also, that they will likely
> review other posts to this NG for background.
>
> 1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
>
> 2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
> enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
> details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
> Registers, please.
>
> 3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
> errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
> MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
>
> 4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
> functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
> tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
> internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
> IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
> anywhere, yet.
>
> 5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
> internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
> restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
> it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
> Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
> connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
> reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
> progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
> each juncture.
>
> If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with KB891711.EXE
> and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
> related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
> *asterisk, but I'm not certain.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
>

 

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Thanks for the report, Jack! Sounds like you guys have it about as well
nailed down as anyone else, <g>.

Reason I cautioned against disabling *statemgr is that disabling SFP and
SR also deletes the "restore points" (right?)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:%236G$VUNKFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hello, Gary, et. al.,
>
> RE: WinME machines
> The only item in msconfig/Startup related to System Restore under
WinME is
> the *statemgr, the State Manager responsible for supervising the
> launch/execution of both System File Protect and System Restore.
Unchecking
> *statemgr in msconfig will disable both functions.
>
> There is an extensive discussion of the KB 891711 problem,
particularly in
> ...windowsme.general, where it is yet quite uncertain what the
important
> contributing cause/s is/are. An earlier suggestion that only early
AMD
> cpu's of <700 MHz are responsible appears not to be true.
> Another suggestion is tentatively implicating certain BIOS's, as seen
in an
> earlier Win Update problem.
> Other less probable causes include the chipset and the video
adapter/driver.
>
> We believe we have ruled out NAV and Live Update as the culprit.
>

 

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1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
Normally DSL, sometimes cable, sometimes dial-up via dial-up networking (NOT an installed bloatware application). DUN still functions normally.

2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
Registers, please.
BSOD only when using a small, common Win98 application kown as "Enditall". (I've used this same application for many years and have not had any BSODs with it until the last two critical updates were installed. I decided to test it after I noticed the running process "kb 891711" which led me to Google it and discover a newsgroup post suggesting that this process interfears with programs like Enditall that access Windows Explorer.)

3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
No errors. No tricks. Serious problem: BSOD with Enditall.

4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
anywhere, yet.
Problem not browser (IE6) related. No AV used or needed. Have external firewall, plus good ISPs (Covad or MSN for msn.com email) blocking most SPAM and viral attachments, and an understanding of file extensions and potential dangers.

5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
each juncture.
No AV; firewall is external. Since my computer is old and slow (133MHz) I keep my msconfig down to about 15 processes most of which are for small useful utilites. Since Enditall is not a background process, none of the items in the msconfig list contribute to the BSOD.

If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with KB891711.EXE
and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
*asterisk, but I'm not certain.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

 

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X-Post to WinME General.

Jack, would you and the others please consider pinging your Lead(s) about
this problem? Several of us are trying to 'kick it up a notch' by doing so.
Thanks.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security

In Memoriam, MVP Alex Nichol (1935-2005)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx

Jack E Martinelli wrote:
> Hello, Gary, et. al.,
>
> RE: WinME machines
> The only item in msconfig/Startup related to System Restore under WinME is
> the *statemgr, the State Manager responsible for supervising the
> launch/execution of both System File Protect and System Restore.
> Unchecking *statemgr in msconfig will disable both functions.
>
> There is an extensive discussion of the KB 891711 problem, particularly in
> ...windowsme.general, where it is yet quite uncertain what the important
> contributing cause/s is/are. An earlier suggestion that only early AMD
> cpu's of <700 MHz are responsible appears not to be true.
> Another suggestion is tentatively implicating certain BIOS's, as seen in
> an earlier Win Update problem.
> Other less probable causes include the chipset and the video
> adapter/driver.
>
> We believe we have ruled out NAV and Live Update as the culprit.

 

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Ten four, Big Guy.
I suspect MS has heard plenty already.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23sbylYNKFHA.3420@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> X-Post to WinME General.
>
> Jack, would you and the others please consider pinging your Lead(s) about
> this problem? Several of us are trying to 'kick it up a notch' by doing
so.
> Thanks.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
>
> In Memoriam, MVP Alex Nichol (1935-2005)
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
>
> Jack E Martinelli wrote:
> > Hello, Gary, et. al.,
> >
> > RE: WinME machines
> > The only item in msconfig/Startup related to System Restore under WinME
is
> > the *statemgr, the State Manager responsible for supervising the
> > launch/execution of both System File Protect and System Restore.
> > Unchecking *statemgr in msconfig will disable both functions.
> >
> > There is an extensive discussion of the KB 891711 problem, particularly
in
> > ...windowsme.general, where it is yet quite uncertain what the important
> > contributing cause/s is/are. An earlier suggestion that only early AMD
> > cpu's of <700 MHz are responsible appears not to be true.
> > Another suggestion is tentatively implicating certain BIOS's, as seen in
> > an earlier Win Update problem.
> > Other less probable causes include the chipset and the video
> > adapter/driver.
> >
> > We believe we have ruled out NAV and Live Update as the culprit.
>

 

[Elizabeth]

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:27:25 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
<grystnews@mvps.org> wrote:


>1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
Dialup
>2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
>enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
>details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
>Registers, please.
no errors because I unchecked KB891711, and I'm afraid to recheck it
>3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered
no tricks
>4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
>functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
>tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
>internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
>IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
>anywhere, yet.
I'm not daring enough to do that
>5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
>internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
>restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
>it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
>Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
>connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
>reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
>progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
>each juncture.
not doing that either because, when IE crashes, I don't just go to the
blue screen. Instead, my whole system freezes and won't do one darned
thing until I flip the switch on the computer, then turn it back on.
I'm not going to continue flipping the switch and make a bad thing
worse.

While many of you find computer problems like this to be intriguing, I
find them frightening.

Beth

 

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Only KB891711 would show up at MSConfig, but both would show at "Control
Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab"...

(a) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
(b) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
(c) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
(d) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
(e) Windows 98 Q890175 Update

...., somewhere in that bunch. BUT, I am Win98SE. You may be WinME, if
you have GoBack, per Terhune.

I believe you will not find them there. You have uninstalled them, I
think, & Windows Update knows it, because it offers them again. (Man,
they should have pulled it by now, though!)

YET, it's History button is confused. Perhaps GoBack did not recover the
file that is your History, which I THINK is...

"C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4\iuhist.xml"

Was GoBack supposed to get that one? What is the date on yours? Mine is
3/10/05, the date I took those last two, acc. to...

"C:\WINDOWSWindows Update.log"...
........Quote..............
2005-03-10 00:23:08 05:23:08 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/Windows98-KB891711-ENU_0a0d02ffb04ee461ae6c98672057046.EXE
2005-03-10 00:23:08 05:23:08 Success IUENGINE Local path
h:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.891711_98_SP1_WinSE_295\Windows98-KB891711-ENU.E
XE
2005-03-10 00:23:10 05:23:10 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml
for details: Download finished
........EOQ.................


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Naturally, you will not sue,
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"irvingr5" <irvingr5@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1110823068.105358.238070@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
| It appears that my first reply did not come through, so I'll summarize
| my experience. I use cable. After I downloaded KB 891711 and 888113,
| when I rebooted as soon as the quick start menu loaded, I got the blue
| screen and an error message. Unfortunately, I did not write the error
| message down, altho (as will be noted) I got it several times, but I
| think it was 0X8007003. Each time I rebooted, I got the same result.
| So, I went into Safe Mode and used System Restore to go back before
the
| download, and everything was OK; however, my download history noted
| that the two updates were successfully downloaded. The next day I got
| the Update alert and, foolishly, updated them again, with the same
| result, and the same remedy. This time my update history noted two
| successful downloads.
|
| I checked MSCONFIG for starting programs and neither KB was listed.
| I'm confused here. The updates were noted to be successful, but each
| time I went back before the updates. Does that mean the downloads
were
| successful, but they haven't been installed? They are not in my start
| menu and a search for them revealed nothing.
|
| I'm not going to do the rest as my puter is working now and I intend
to
| keep it that way.
|

 

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The machines I see the problems on at work are Win98SE, Dell computers with Intel
processors of 1GHz or more, integrated Intel video adapter/driver. I will check the
exact info and the BIOS versions this week if I can get to them. Note that there
are three identical Dell computers there, and only two of them exhibited the blue
screens. NAV and LU are not on any of the machines. No third-party
firewall....they are on a network using a Netgear router with a built-in firewall,
broadband connection (RoadRunner).
--
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~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:%236G$VUNKFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hello, Gary, et. al.,
>
> RE: WinME machines
> The only item in msconfig/Startup related to System Restore under WinME is
> the *statemgr, the State Manager responsible for supervising the
> launch/execution of both System File Protect and System Restore. Unchecking
> *statemgr in msconfig will disable both functions.
>
> There is an extensive discussion of the KB 891711 problem, particularly in
> ...windowsme.general, where it is yet quite uncertain what the important
> contributing cause/s is/are. An earlier suggestion that only early AMD
> cpu's of <700 MHz are responsible appears not to be true.
> Another suggestion is tentatively implicating certain BIOS's, as seen in an
> earlier Win Update problem.
> Other less probable causes include the chipset and the video adapter/driver.
>
> We believe we have ruled out NAV and Live Update as the culprit.
>
> HTH,
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:usbTRpKKFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
> > KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
> > encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report the
> > results according to the schema below. My goal here is to collect data
> > in a standardized and methodical manner for MS techs to use. Trying to
> > pick through the somewhat haphazard anecdotal evidence that has been
> > posted thus far would make the task more difficult. Please refrain from
> > additional discussion of the issue in this thread. I'd like to keep it
> > clean of speculation, etc. I'm sure that if the techs want more specific
> > tests done, they'll ask, and I'm sure, also, that they will likely
> > review other posts to this NG for background.
> >
> > 1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
> >
> > 2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
> > enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
> > details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
> > Registers, please.
> >
> > 3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
> > errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
> > MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
> >
> > 4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
> > functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
> > tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
> > internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
> > IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
> > anywhere, yet.
> >
> > 5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
> > internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
> > restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
> > it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
> > Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
> > connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
> > reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
> > progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
> > each juncture.
> >
> > If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with KB891711.EXE
> > and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
> > related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
> > *asterisk, but I'm not certain.)
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> >
>
>

 

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Gary wrote:
> Reason I cautioned against disabling *statemgr is that disabling SFP and
> SR also deletes the "restore points" (right?)

Correct!

"To reset System Restore:
System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and check "Disable
System Restore", Apply and IMMEDIATELY reboot. This will flush your restore
folder and erase all checkpoints, then,
System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and uncheck "Disable
System Restore", Apply and again IMMEDIATELY reboot. This should now
automatically create a new checkpoint immediately following the restart.
Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder,
System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the restore slider
to your preferred setting.
--
Mike Maltby MS MVP "
--

Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23oahXZNKFHA.3832@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the report, Jack! Sounds like you guys have it about as well
> nailed down as anyone else, <g>.
>
> Reason I cautioned against disabling *statemgr is that disabling SFP and
> SR also deletes the "restore points" (right?)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:%236G$VUNKFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hello, Gary, et. al.,
> >
> > RE: WinME machines
> > The only item in msconfig/Startup related to System Restore under
> WinME is
> > the *statemgr, the State Manager responsible for supervising the
> > launch/execution of both System File Protect and System Restore.
> Unchecking
> > *statemgr in msconfig will disable both functions.
> >
> > There is an extensive discussion of the KB 891711 problem,
> particularly in
> > ...windowsme.general, where it is yet quite uncertain what the
> important
> > contributing cause/s is/are. An earlier suggestion that only early
> AMD
> > cpu's of <700 MHz are responsible appears not to be true.
> > Another suggestion is tentatively implicating certain BIOS's, as seen
> in an
> > earlier Win Update problem.
> > Other less probable causes include the chipset and the video
> adapter/driver.
> >
> > We believe we have ruled out NAV and Live Update as the culprit.
> >
>

 

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Glen, if you are seeing three identical machines with the same BIOS's and
only two are exhibiting the 891711 problem then that rather rules out
(tentatively) Mike Malby's suggestion that the issue is some BIOS timing
problem, as seen earlier with the first released Prescott and new Celeron
cpu's and the early OEM-BIOS's.
Please confirm that the Dell/Intell machine BIOS's are indeed identical,
i.e., no flashed items.

Your observations also kill the "only-AMD cpu" connection.

Perhaps a close examination of the Belarc Advisor and Everest reports for
the three machines will reveal the cause ...
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%23cEIjfRKFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> The machines I see the problems on at work are Win98SE, Dell computers
with Intel
> processors of 1GHz or more, integrated Intel video adapter/driver. I will
check the
> exact info and the BIOS versions this week if I can get to them. Note
that there
> are three identical Dell computers there, and only two of them exhibited
the blue
> screens. NAV and LU are not on any of the machines. No third-party
> firewall....they are on a network using a Netgear router with a built-in
firewall,
> broadband connection (RoadRunner).
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
> http://aumha.org/alex.htm
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:%236G$VUNKFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hello, Gary, et. al.,
> >

<SNIP>

 

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"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%23cEIjfRKFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl

> The machines I see the problems on at work are Win98SE, Dell computers

[...]

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
> http://aumha.org/alex.htm
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Glen I wanted to ask you this before, and don't want to sidetrack this thread
much, but it's delightfully interesting that a company still uses 98SE and my
wondering is not a trick question but would sincerely like to know the
reasons surrounding it. ..perhaps it's just a small company and what works
well and is very stable and the employees are used to it so then why
change it creating the common 'change confusion' ? ..or is there more?

Thanks much,
Rick

 

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I have ME and GoBack would not give me any prior date, so I used System
Restore. I don't know why GoBack could not, and it could not twice,
unless it's because System Restore is active. You're right, since I
went back before the installations both times, neither of those patches
were installed, although my History shows that they were both
successfully installed. Well, they were, but by System Restore, I
uninstalled them.

I got the reminder again today, and did install KB888113, but not
KB891711, with no problems. Am I safe with just this one?

 

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Glee, I have ME, Dell, Pentium III with speed of 800 mghz, and I
have this problem.

 

[Andre]

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I connect using DSL and don't seem to have any problems,But my P.C. take
double the usual time to boot-up and it seems to take a long time for all the
icons to appear on the desktop. On other web sites I looked into it seems
that uninstalling the update doesn't help, since the problems caused by it
persist, In my case I took it out of the start-up menu with msconfig but upon
rebooting, when I pressed control-alt-delete on the empty screen, it still
shows up as a running process, and it is still slow in booting up. I hope
Microsoft comes up with a fix soon ....because they are making a good case
for me to buy a Mac......if they weren't so dammed expensive.......I guess
you get what you pay for.......................

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> In order that we might better dissect the obvious problem that is
> KB891711.EXE, I'd like to request any and all persons who have
> encountered the problems to please do some tests for me and report the
> results according to the schema below. My goal here is to collect data
> in a standardized and methodical manner for MS techs to use. Trying to
> pick through the somewhat haphazard anecdotal evidence that has been
> posted thus far would make the task more difficult. Please refrain from
> additional discussion of the issue in this thread. I'd like to keep it
> clean of speculation, etc. I'm sure that if the techs want more specific
> tests done, they'll ask, and I'm sure, also, that they will likely
> review other posts to this NG for background.
>
> 1. How do you connect to the internet? Dial-up, DSL, cable?
>
> 2. Without changing anything, and with your normal background apps
> enabled, when and how do errors occur, and what are the exact, verbatim
> details of these errors? In the case of non-BSOD errors, include
> Registers, please.
>
> 3. What, if any, tricks have you discovered that allow you to bypass
> errors (other than disabling anything, including KB891711.EXE in
> MSCONFIG or otherwise killing processes.)
>
> 4. Using your AV settings, disable any real-time or background
> functions. Then go into MSCONFIG and disable everything in the Startup
> tab *except* KB891711.EXE. Physically disconnect your system from any
> internet connection, then restart. Try various programs, most especially
> IE or whatever your default browser is. Yes, I know you won't get
> anywhere, yet.
>
> 5. Whether or not errors occur in step 4, reconnect your system to the
> internet and attempt to go online. Report any errors. (You may want to
> restart again before this step.) Do not stay online if you actually make
> it there. No AV and no Firewall mean you're a ripe target for invasion.
> Quit your browser and then immediately disconnect the physical
> connection. Go into MSCONFIG and re-enable your firewall, restart and
> reconnect to the internet, then test. Next, test with AV enabled. Then
> progressively re-enable the rest of the items in MSCONFIG, testing at
> each juncture.
>
> If any Windows ME users are lurking and have problems with KB891711.EXE
> and want to participate, be sure not to disable items in MSCONFIG
> related to System Restore (I *think* that's the ones marked by an
> *asterisk, but I'm not certain.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
>
>

 

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While this issue is happening in Win98 and WinME (with Win2K indicated
elsewhere), might I suggest that a WinME-specific newsgroup would be a more
logical place for you?

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsme.general
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security

In Memoriam, MVP Alex Nichol (1935-2005)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx


irvingr5 wrote:
> Glee, I have ME, Dell, Pentium III with speed of 800 mghz, and I
> have this problem.

 

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You have no choice but to be safe with just one, until MS fixes the
other. BUT, the write-up on the KB891711 vulnerability is horrific. So,
watch what you click for a while, & keep your virus scanner up-to-date.

Well, it looks like you've uninstalled KB891711, if the site continues
to offer it to you. But, I wonder, how do you compare against what
Chauvin has said are the Registry entries & files of the thing. Of
course, this is for Win98SE & may naturally be different for you. Maybe,
just do a search for the files he mentions...

news:eaKRLVwJFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
.........Quote...............
The install is really really a simple one though, and just for notation
here
is exactly what the simple install does, and from this it's easy to make
sure the uninstall is complete if ever need be:

(for files - only 3 were added and no other file changes were made)

C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98\
891711UN.INF

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB891711\
KB891711exe
Q891711.dll

(and for the registry the install only Added a few entires - it made no
other changes)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
Components\{2cd1b477-8d46-4b86-b7dc-13fb65fb5914}]
@="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
"IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
"Locale"="EN"
"Version"="4.10.0.2222"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService
s]
"KB891711"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Upda
tes\W98\UPD891711]
@="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"=""
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\Q891711.DLL"=""

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\
891711]
@=""
"DisplayName"="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
"UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98\\891711UN.INF"
.........EOQ.................


--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"irvingr5" <irvingr5@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1110912560.730863.168630@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| I have ME and GoBack would not give me any prior date, so I used
System
| Restore. I don't know why GoBack could not, and it could not twice,
| unless it's because System Restore is active. You're right, since I
| went back before the installations both times, neither of those
patches
| were installed, although my History shows that they were both
| successfully installed. Well, they were, but by System Restore, I
| uninstalled them.
|
| I got the reminder again today, and did install KB888113, but not
| KB891711, with no problems. Am I safe with just this one?
|

 

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PA, do you know what happens if one were to delete "C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4\iuhist.xml". Would the site generate a new one or
blow up?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%239s23INKFHA.1392@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > ...The next day I got the Update alert
|
| Are you running Win98? Do you have Windows Critical Update
Notification
| Utility (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/224420) installed?
| --
| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
|
| In Memoriam, MVP Alex Nichol (1935-2005)
| http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
|
|
| irvingr5 wrote:
| > It appears that my first reply did not come through, so I'll
summarize
| > my experience. I use cable. After I downloaded KB 891711 and
888113,
| > when I rebooted as soon as the quick start menu loaded, I got the
blue
| > screen and an error message. Unfortunately, I did not write the
error
| > message down, altho (as will be noted) I got it several times, but I
| > think it was 0X8007003. Each time I rebooted, I got the same
result.
| > So, I went into Safe Mode and used System Restore to go back before
the
| > download, and everything was OK; however, my download history noted
| > that the two updates were successfully downloaded. The next day I
got
| > the Update alert and, foolishly, updated them again, with the same
| > result, and the same remedy. This time my update history noted two
| > successful downloads.
| >
| > I checked MSCONFIG for starting programs and neither KB was listed.
| > I'm confused here. The updates were noted to be successful, but
each
| > time I went back before the updates. Does that mean the downloads
were
| > successful, but they haven't been installed? They are not in my
start
| > menu and a search for them revealed nothing.
| >
| > I'm not going to do the rest as my puter is working now and I intend
to
| > keep it that way.
|

 

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Door #1, I suspect.
--
~PA Bear

In Memoriam, MVP Alex Nichol (1935-2005)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx

PCR wrote:
> PA, do you know what happens if one were to delete "C:\Program
> Files\WindowsUpdate\V4\iuhist.xml". Would the site generate a new one or
> blow up?

 

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I will try to get the info, but it may be days before I can get on those machines
again.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:Os9gZFWKFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Glen, if you are seeing three identical machines with the same BIOS's and
> only two are exhibiting the 891711 problem then that rather rules out
> (tentatively) Mike Malby's suggestion that the issue is some BIOS timing
> problem, as seen earlier with the first released Prescott and new Celeron
> cpu's and the early OEM-BIOS's.
> Please confirm that the Dell/Intell machine BIOS's are indeed identical,
> i.e., no flashed items.
>
> Your observations also kill the "only-AMD cpu" connection.
>
> Perhaps a close examination of the Belarc Advisor and Everest reports for
> the three machines will reveal the cause ...
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23cEIjfRKFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > The machines I see the problems on at work are Win98SE, Dell computers
> with Intel
> > processors of 1GHz or more, integrated Intel video adapter/driver. I will
> check the
> > exact info and the BIOS versions this week if I can get to them. Note
> that there
> > are three identical Dell computers there, and only two of them exhibited
> the blue
> > screens. NAV and LU are not on any of the machines. No third-party
> > firewall....they are on a network using a Netgear router with a built-in
> firewall,
> > broadband connection (RoadRunner).
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
> > http://aumha.org/alex.htm
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> >
> > "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> > news:%236G$VUNKFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Hello, Gary, et. al.,
> > >
>
> <SNIP>
>
>