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Should I build a cheap Intel PC and wait to get a processor?

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April 22, 2006 11:04:55 AM

I had a long topic about building a $1,200.00 PC and I came up with so many awesome builds. But some people mentioned that a new generation of processors from intel is coming out this summer and that It will be compatible with LGA775 motherboards as long as you update the Bios.
So I was wondering would it be worth for me to build a Celeron and wait a few months to get the processor???
Has the new generation from AMD been announced yet? is it going to use the same socket(939) ???
Thanks
a b B Homebuilt system
April 22, 2006 1:02:52 PM

Socket 939 is strictly for the Athlon 64/X2/ and socket 939 Opteron variants...

I'd be a little leery of purchasing an LGA775 board with the general hope of future Conroe support, as there are core voltage options, voltage regulator design concerns, etc...

I'd recommend waiting until the Conroe is actually released in a few months, and news that a 965/975X actually does indeed officially suport the Conroe series, as they do indeed promise exciting performance at a great low price point.
April 22, 2006 2:48:29 PM

I agree, if you want to be safe I would go ahead and wait for some firm news that those boards will support Conroe. However, I assume you would be selling your Celeron once you got the Conroe. You could always sell your motherboard and not be out too much $ if it wasn't compatible. I'm sure a 965 or 975 board would do well on ebay :) 
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April 22, 2006 3:13:56 PM

Exactly!
As many fanboys there are that would like to pimp it. Noboby knows for sure if Conroe will run on existing boards.
April 22, 2006 4:05:58 PM

As far as I know, Intel has announced that Conroe WILL ONLY be supported by 975X motherboards, after a BIOS update, that is (so don't go selling your processor since you'll need it to upgrade the BIOS)

I think 975s are the only chipsets to support Conroe due to the fsb supported and the Voltage for the processor. Also, 975s don't support Celerons (Celerons use 533 FSB).

I want to do the exact same thing you're trying to do, buy a cheap Intel and then upgrade to Conroe, I guess the cheapest CPU to buy is the 630 (Altho I'd pay the extra 8 dollars to get the 631 ! 65nm goodness =D)
April 22, 2006 4:32:01 PM

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I think 975s are the only chipsets to support Conroe due to the fsb supported and the Voltage for the processor. Also, 975s don't support Celerons (Celerons use 533 FSB).


975 do support 533 FSB

So get a 975 mobo and a celly.
April 22, 2006 4:45:36 PM

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I think 975s are the only chipsets to support Conroe due to the fsb supported and the Voltage for the processor. Also, 975s don't support Celerons (Celerons use 533 FSB).


975 do support 533 FSB

So get a 975 mobo and a celly.

Intel boards do not.
April 22, 2006 4:51:06 PM

waiting is a disease
April 22, 2006 5:27:47 PM

I saw THISand it says to wait because the current boards wont support conroe
April 22, 2006 5:46:11 PM

You have to get the Intel D975XBX "Bad Axe" Mobo but be sure to buy a Conroe ready revision.
April 22, 2006 6:35:06 PM

Where did you see a 975XBX?
a c 119 å Intel
April 22, 2006 7:38:51 PM

Your best option is to wait.

The new AMD Athlon 64 Socket AM2 were originally supposed to be released on 6/6/06, but AMD decided to release it around the 3rd week of May. Socket AM2 and 939 are not compatible. And AM2 requires DDR2 RAM, while 939 uses DDR RAM.

I know you are probably getting impatient, I am too since my overclocked Athlon XP-M 2600+ is over 4 years old now.
April 22, 2006 7:59:11 PM

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I had a long topic about building a $1,200.00 PC and I came up with so many awesome builds. But some people mentioned that a new generation of processors from intel is coming out this summer and that It will be compatible with LGA775 motherboards as long as you update the Bios.
So I was wondering would it be worth for me to build a Celeron and wait a few months to get the processor???
Has the new generation from AMD been announced yet? is it going to use the same socket(939) ???
Thanks



Absolutely not!

Please disregard Intel and AMD marketing.

Do not purchase any parts until the 65nm AMD CPUs and Conroe are out and there are reliable benchmarks for both from multiple sources.

The new AMDs are being released in 2-3 weeks however we cannot be sure how they will perform. The Conroe may not be released for another few months.

Either way if you are going to wait, wait for the 65nm AMDs and Intel's response.
April 22, 2006 9:09:52 PM

if your gonna wait wait for the 65mn ones
April 22, 2006 9:34:14 PM

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waiting is a disease



Pittsburgh? :D 
April 22, 2006 10:33:50 PM

U know theres something called downclocking. It will support a 533FSB. So Intel boards don't but asus does. U said that the 975 chipset doesn't support a 533 FSB. I brought proof that u were wrong. Asus boards support cellys. So don't get the intel board, get asus. PROBLEM SLOVED













PS: i was right :) 
April 22, 2006 10:49:51 PM

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U know theres something called downclocking. It will support a 533FSB. So Intel boards don't but asus does. U said that the 975 chipset doesn't support a 533 FSB. I brought proof that u were wrong. Asus boards support cellys. So don't get the intel board, get asus. PROBLEM SLOVED

PS: i was right :) 



I have to reiterate


Do not purchase any parts until the 65nm AMD CPUs and Conroe are out and there are reliable benchmarks for both from multiple sources.


Think of it this way, would you buy a house for $750,000 site unseen and without a house inspection only to find out it's worth $50,000 after the purchase?
April 22, 2006 10:57:27 PM

But if he needs it now he should get celly. IF he doesn't need it he should wait.
April 22, 2006 11:16:59 PM

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But if he needs it now he should get celly. IF he doesn't need it he should wait.



Buying a Celeron now on the eve of the AM2 launch would not be a good idea only to upgrade to a CPU which may not perform as expected and may not work on a 975 board.

The current P4 65nm Intel CPUs cannot even beat 90nm AMDs imagine how much better 65nm AMDs will likely be.

It makes no sense whatsoever to get a Celeron. Many companies demonstrate engineering samples which can supposedly do wonderful things and in the end never become available on the market.

It would be a lot smarter to wait a few weeks to see how AM2 performs and see when 65nm AMDs will become available.
April 22, 2006 11:22:40 PM

ok.

I forgot intel went 65nm already :oops: 
April 23, 2006 12:10:37 AM

So I guess the smarter thing to do is to wait.
How long do I have to wait for the new AMD processor??

What I'm going to do then is: Buy the Case, Hard Drive, Monitor, keyboard, speakers, video card, and media drivers.

What about the memory? Are both new systems going to use DDR2 ??? What frequency? 4200 ?
April 23, 2006 12:21:29 AM

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waiting is a disease



Pittsburgh? :D 

FAG... just kidding
April 23, 2006 1:19:45 AM

Does any1 know what kind of memory they are going to be using? DDR2 6400?
April 23, 2006 10:01:09 AM

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Does any1 know what kind of memory they are going to be using? DDR2 6400?



There are indications AM2 may use DDR2-1066 PC2-8500 but it is expected to use at least DDR2 800 / PC2-6400.

Memory prices tend to fluctuate significantly so it's hard to tell if RAM will get cheaper or more expensive with the AM2 launch.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 23, 2006 11:31:03 AM

"Do not purchase any parts until the 65nm AMD CPUs and Conroe are out and there are reliable benchmarks for both from multiple sources.
"

AMD's move to 65 nm will be long overdue, and is currently slated for the quite vague timeframe of, "1H 2007"...

Even so, I doubt it will be an effective answer to the Conroe Juggernaut!
a b B Homebuilt system
April 23, 2006 11:35:16 AM

"What about the memory? Are both new systems going to use DDR2 ??? What frequency? 4200 ?"

The preliminary benchmarks released reflect that the AM2 system will require fairly expensive DDR2/800 mem to even be competitive with a standard socket 939/PC3200 DDR rig, but AM2 mainboards will also suport DDR2/533 and 667.

However, the Conroe using even DDR2/667 at crappy 4-4-4 timings completely decimated it to the tune of about 20%....

Sad, really...
April 23, 2006 2:30:10 PM

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"Do not purchase any parts until the 65nm AMD CPUs and Conroe are out and there are reliable benchmarks for both from multiple sources.
"

AMD's move to 65 nm will be long overdue, and is currently slated for the quite vague timeframe of, "1H 2007"...

Even so, I doubt it will be an effective answer to the Conroe Juggernaut!



I believe they may be released sooner. I suspect 2H 2006.
April 23, 2006 2:39:04 PM

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"What about the memory? Are both new systems going to use DDR2 ??? What frequency? 4200 ?"

The preliminary benchmarks released reflect that the AM2 system will require fairly expensive DDR2/800 mem to even be competitive with a standard socket 939/PC3200 DDR rig, but AM2 mainboards will also suport DDR2/533 and 667.

However, the Conroe using even DDR2/667 at crappy 4-4-4 timings completely decimated it to the tune of about 20%....

Sad, really...



A preproduction AM2 + DDR2 667 was about 0-5% faster than S939/DDR400. If we interpolate from there AM2 + DDR2 800 will be about 10% faster and AM2 + DDR2 1066 may be as much as 20% faster erasing any performance benefits Conroe may really offer. 65nm AMDs should be able to offer significantly improved performance.

If Conroe does in fact perform when released, its lead, if any, will be very short lived.

But let's stop speculating and wait for some real benchmarks (production parts - not engineering samples).
April 25, 2006 3:52:12 AM

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If Conroe does in fact perform when released, its lead, if any, will be very short lived.


Well said. :D 
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