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September 6, 2004 8:03:43 PM

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Hi,

Am looking for some advice on a system able to cope with approx 500
extensions with some 90 lines in.
Ideally I would like to be also carry computer network traffic via the same
system and possibly Sky to 400 of the rooms.

I don't know whether this is possible on one fibre optic cable ? or whether
I am looking at installing separate cables for
Telecoms, data, TV. How does the cost of setting up fibre optic compare to
normal CAT5 ?

The development area is approximately 200 acres.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Simon
Anonymous
September 7, 2004 2:41:16 AM

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You really need an on-site consultant for a project this large.


"Simon" <smorris@bluecreativedevelopment.com> wrote in message
news:zT%_c.549$Pw.513@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> Hi,
>
> Am looking for some advice on a system able to cope with approx 500
> extensions with some 90 lines in.
> Ideally I would like to be also carry computer network traffic via the
same
> system and possibly Sky to 400 of the rooms.
>
> I don't know whether this is possible on one fibre optic cable ? or
whether
> I am looking at installing separate cables for
> Telecoms, data, TV. How does the cost of setting up fibre optic compare to
> normal CAT5 ?
>
> The development area is approximately 200 acres.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
>
>
Anonymous
September 7, 2004 12:42:40 PM

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most pbx manufacturers are able to extend remote cabinets via fiber, so
that you have the 'main' or primary cabinet in one location with several
other 'extended' cabinets in remote locations. the actual telephones
will wire out from the extended cabinets via cat5/cat3. that would
solve your phone issue.
while you are laying fiber for the phone system, toss in some extra and
you have solved the data issue.
-- 'one' fiber optic cable could have many actual sets of fiber pathways
similar to traditional buried phone cable.
as far as Sky is concerned, ( i assume it is a video service) hummmmm...
i am sure you could find video-to-fiber converters or video-to-data
converters which would allow you to shoot the video over the fiber optic
setup.

of course, the bottom line is, you really do need an on-site consultant.



C7 wrote:

> You really need an on-site consultant for a project this large.
>
>
> "Simon" <smorris@bluecreativedevelopment.com> wrote in message
> news:zT%_c.549$Pw.513@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Am looking for some advice on a system able to cope with approx 500
>>extensions with some 90 lines in.
>>Ideally I would like to be also carry computer network traffic via the
>
> same
>
>>system and possibly Sky to 400 of the rooms.
>>
>>I don't know whether this is possible on one fibre optic cable ? or
>
> whether
>
>>I am looking at installing separate cables for
>>Telecoms, data, TV. How does the cost of setting up fibre optic compare to
>>normal CAT5 ?
>>
>>The development area is approximately 200 acres.
>>
>>Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Anonymous
September 7, 2004 3:12:30 PM

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"Simon" <smorris@bluecreativedevelopment.com> wrote in message news:<zT%_c.549$Pw.513@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>...
> Hi,
>
> Am looking for some advice on a system able to cope with approx 500
> extensions with some 90 lines in.
> Ideally I would like to be also carry computer network traffic via the same
> system and possibly Sky to 400 of the rooms.
>
> I don't know whether this is possible on one fibre optic cable ? or whether
> I am looking at installing separate cables for
> Telecoms, data, TV. How does the cost of setting up fibre optic compare to
> normal CAT5 ?
>
> The development area is approximately 200 acres.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards

Good Morning
I am not in the UK but if you need 500 extensions with some 90 lines
you will be wanting to get a PBX of use voice over IP.
As far as the coverage area you might want to concider a wireless
system that will allow you to connect over a large area. But that
will depend alot of line of site and other structuers.
Fiber Optic cable has come way down in price and is easy to install
now a days.
I would NOT recomend using the 50 micron fiber. I would recomend
using the single mode insted as it is fast and the hard ware is out
now and getting cheaper.
You can run voice and data over fiber. You will run into a small
problem though if some one decides to put a modem on there phone line.
Running data to voice to data does not work well.
Good luck and thanks for reading through all the typeos.
>
> Simon
Anonymous
September 7, 2004 5:43:42 PM

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My first advice would be to seek help of a professional systems
integrator, and you may find that your Sky satellite connections will have
to be handled by a separate specialized dealer/installer.

You can probably accomplish most of it (sans Sky) via the same CAT5E cable
if you use VoIP phone system, and all your phones are equipped with
Ethernet switches or at least hubs.

The size of the area definitely calls for multiple closets.

It is possible to implement everything via fiber, but you cannot power
anything through fiber, therefore every phone set will have to be
connected to local power outlet, and will also have to be connected via
fiber-to-copper transceiver.

With that said, the way I would first approach the task, I would propose
multiple closets with (2) two CAT5E cables to every outlet; preferable two
outlet locations per office/room on opposite walls. You'll also need (1)
RG6 cable to every room for TVs. The closets will then be connected to a
central one via backbone with multimode fiber optic for data, multipair
copper (2 pairs per phone ext.) and RG11 cable for TV.

All in all, the task of designing the system is way beyond a scope of any
newsgroup message, so, once again, seek help of a local systems
integration company.


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Simon wrote:




> Hi,

> Am looking for some advice on a system able to cope with approx 500
> extensions with some 90 lines in.
> Ideally I would like to be also carry computer network traffic via the
> same
> system and possibly Sky to 400 of the rooms.

> I don't know whether this is possible on one fibre optic cable ? or
> whether
> I am looking at installing separate cables for
> Telecoms, data, TV. How does the cost of setting up fibre optic compare
> to
> normal CAT5 ?

> The development area is approximately 200 acres.

> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

> Regards

> Simon








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Anonymous
September 7, 2004 6:26:01 PM

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In comp.dcom.cabling Simon <smorris@bluecreativedevelopment.com> wrote:
> The development area is approximately 200 acres.

You will need fiber for data. For 90 inbound lines, your
telco may prefer to feed you fiber. You also need a proper
consultant -- too many variables.

-- Robert
Anonymous
September 14, 2004 9:51:05 PM

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"Simon" wrote
> Am looking for some advice on a system able to cope with approx 500
> extensions with some 90 lines in.
> Ideally I would like to be also carry computer network traffic via the same
> system and possibly Sky to 400 of the rooms.

If this is some sort of leisure development, for TV you might look at systems like

www.otrum.com - from DFDS ferries to Gleneagles Hotel
www.pronto.tv - used on ResidenSea, the multimillionaires' condominium
houseboat

Newsgroups uk.telecom and uk.tech.digital-tv might be of interest.
http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/ does television distribution cabling systems.

Owain
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