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Anonymous
March 22, 2005 12:57:04 PM

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Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
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Roger

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Anonymous
March 22, 2005 1:49:51 PM

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As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
Windows 98 General Discussion group?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
> --
> Roger
Anonymous
March 22, 2005 5:51:01 PM

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sry. just because there was a plethora of responses to notice of someone
dying and then a philosophical discussion that probably doesn't belong here
either.
thanks for the response. you are a great help here to us.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
> > Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
> > --
> > Roger
>
>
Related resources
March 23, 2005 3:34:12 AM

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Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
>> --
>> Roger
>
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 3:34:13 AM

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Hey, Kid. How's it?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
>
> --
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> All the Best,
> Kelly (MS-MVP)
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in
the
> > Windows 98 General Discussion group?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
> >> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
> >> --
> >> Roger
> >
>
>
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 10:07:56 AM

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Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
<VBSEG>

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
* http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
>
> --
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> All the Best,
> Kelly (MS-MVP)
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
>> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS MVP Shell/User
>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>
>> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
>>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
>>> --
>>> Roger
>>
>
>
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 10:52:22 AM

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She follows you around, Richard, just like me sometimes.

Got any ideas about the KB891711 problem under Win9X and W2K?
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
> <VBSEG>
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
>
>
>
> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
> >
> > --
> > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
> >
> > All the Best,
> > Kelly (MS-MVP)
> >
> > Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> >
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
> >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS MVP Shell/User
> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>
> >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
> >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
> >>> --
> >>> Roger
> >>
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 9:47:24 PM

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Candy is OK by me. He & Dundat have been known to climb in/out many a
Recycle Bin, intrepidly, to save a poster/two here. ONLY Candy has
survived!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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| Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
| --
| Roger
Anonymous
March 23, 2005 11:16:05 PM

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Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and I
have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that patch
on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
* http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:%23ciZnc6LFHA.2796@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> She follows you around, Richard, just like me sometimes.
>
> Got any ideas about the KB891711 problem under Win9X and W2K?
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
> In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
>> <VBSEG>
>>
>> --
>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
>> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
>> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
>> >
>> > --
>> > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>> >
>> > All the Best,
>> > Kelly (MS-MVP)
>> >
>> > Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>> >
>> >
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
>> >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary S. Terhune
>> >> MS MVP Shell/User
>> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>> >>
>> >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
>> >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
>> >>> --
>> >>> Roger
>> >>
>
>
>
March 24, 2005 4:00:37 AM

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Have been reflecting......and thought of you guys! :o )

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:u8rJ1k3LFHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Hey, Kid. How's it?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
>>
>> --
>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>
>> All the Best,
>> Kelly (MS-MVP)
>>
>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in
> the
>> > Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS MVP Shell/User
>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>> >
>> > "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> > message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
>> >> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
>> >> --
>> >> Roger
>> >
>>
>>
>
March 24, 2005 4:01:19 AM

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<LOL> True that, I just missed yall.

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
> <VBSEG>
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
>
>
>
> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
>>
>> --
>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>
>> All the Best,
>> Kelly (MS-MVP)
>>
>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
>>> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS MVP Shell/User
>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>>
>>> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
>>>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
>>>> --
>>>> Roger
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
March 24, 2005 10:08:35 AM

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We miss you too. Always glad to see you stop in and say hey! :-)

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
* http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:u8fcC9DMFHA.4092@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> <LOL> True that, I just missed yall.
>
> --
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> All the Best,
> Kelly (MS-MVP)
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
>
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
>> <VBSEG>
>>
>> --
>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
>> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
>> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
>>>
>>> --
>>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>
>>> All the Best,
>>> Kelly (MS-MVP)
>>>
>>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
>>>> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>>>
>>>> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
>>>>> --
>>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
March 24, 2005 11:53:41 AM

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Not only have none of my machines exhibited the Update problem, I can't even
find one locally to see it in the flesh.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and I
> have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that patch
> on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
>
>
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:%23ciZnc6LFHA.2796@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > She follows you around, Richard, just like me sometimes.
> >
> > Got any ideas about the KB891711 problem under Win9X and W2K?
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
> > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > ------
> > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> > news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
> >> <VBSEG>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> >> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
> >> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o )
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
> >> >
> >> > All the Best,
> >> > Kelly (MS-MVP)
> >> >
> >> > Troubleshooting Windows XP
> >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in
the
> >> >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> >> MS MVP Shell/User
> >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
> >> >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Roger
> >> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:38:15 AM

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Two out of two failures here .
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and I
> have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that patch
> on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:38:16 AM

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I've received a request from the team that's working on the
KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had problems
with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can help
them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not yet
received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than has
been reported thus far.
<snip>

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm


--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Two out of two failures here .
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and
I
> > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that
patch
> > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
>
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:38:16 AM

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Jeff, perhaps you will consider restoring the plain-vanilla MS video
drivers on the afflicted machines to test the current theory that the video
drivers are the cause of the problem? I just can't find any affected boxes.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Two out of two failures here .
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and
I
> > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that
patch
> > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:38:17 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

See Don Kirkpatrick's reply to me on this issue. As I suspected, the
right hand still doesn't know what the left hand is doing at Microsoft.
I'd hold off on directly calling MS on this issue until this gets
straightened out.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:usYkaxVMFHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I've received a request from the team that's working on the
> KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had
problems
> with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can help
> them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
> problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not
yet
> received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than
has
> been reported thus far.
> <snip>
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
>
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
> In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Two out of two failures here .
> > --
> > Jeff Richards
> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it
happen and
> I
> > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted
that
> patch
> > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:38:18 AM

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Where on earth is this Kirkpatrick reply???

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23CwZgEWMFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| See Don Kirkpatrick's reply to me on this issue. As I suspected, the
| right hand still doesn't know what the left hand is doing at
Microsoft.
| I'd hold off on directly calling MS on this issue until this gets
| straightened out.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
| news:usYkaxVMFHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > I've received a request from the team that's working on the
| > KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had
| problems
| > with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can
help
| > them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
| > problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not
| yet
| > received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than
| has
| > been reported thus far.
| > <snip>
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS MVP Shell/User
| > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| >
| >
| > --
| > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
| >
| > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
| > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
| > ------
| > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
| > news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > > Two out of two failures here .
| > > --
| > > Jeff Richards
| > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| > > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
| > > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it
| happen and
| > I
| > > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted
| that
| > patch
| > > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:38:18 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

The latest from MS:

"Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on Windows
98,
Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able to
confirm these reports and are currently working on a resolution.

"Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine will
return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we are currently not aware
of customer's being exploited by way of the vulnerability fixed in
MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. If you need
additional assistance regarding this update, please contact +1 (866)
PCSAFETY."

I'm now assured, and fairly confident, that anyone who answers that
number will be up to speed on the issue.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23CwZgEWMFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> See Don Kirkpatrick's reply to me on this issue. As I suspected, the
> right hand still doesn't know what the left hand is doing at
Microsoft.
> I'd hold off on directly calling MS on this issue until this gets
> straightened out.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:usYkaxVMFHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I've received a request from the team that's working on the
> > KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had
> problems
> > with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can
help
> > them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
> > problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not
> yet
> > received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than
> has
> > been reported thus far.
> > <snip>
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
> > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > ------
> > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Two out of two failures here .
> > > --
> > > Jeff Richards
> > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> > > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> > > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it
> happen and
> > I
> > > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted
> that
> > patch
> > > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 12:43:31 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> The latest from MS:
>
> "Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on Windows
> 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able to
> confirm these reports and are currently working on a resolution.
>
> "Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine will
> return to a vulnerable state.

Like when isn't the machine at some vulnerable state? (rhetorical)
(nevermind...)
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 2:51:53 PM

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Re-installing plain vanilla video drivers isn't possible unless the update
has been removed, but Windows update will not re-install the update so it's
not possible to determine whether or not the changed video driver has an
effect. Classic Catch-22.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:eAUvnyVMFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Jeff, perhaps you will consider restoring the plain-vanilla MS video
> drivers on the afflicted machines to test the current theory that the
> video
> drivers are the cause of the problem? I just can't find any affected
> boxes.
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 2:51:54 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to offer
it again.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:o CFH13ZMFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Re-installing plain vanilla video drivers isn't possible unless the
update
> has been removed, but Windows update will not re-install the update so
it's
> not possible to determine whether or not the changed video driver has
an
> effect. Classic Catch-22.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:eAUvnyVMFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Jeff, perhaps you will consider restoring the plain-vanilla MS
video
> > drivers on the afflicted machines to test the current theory that
the
> > video
> > drivers are the cause of the problem? I just can't find any
affected
> > boxes.
>
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 6:33:48 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and 891711
installed.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
> uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to offer
> it again.
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 6:33:49 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing to
the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver, don't you
think?

****
BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode, while
KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be removed
which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files at
Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the 'patch".
Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know what is
done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
****

As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using msconfig/Startup
and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling the
"patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers are the
issue with KB891711.

Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:o pCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and 891711
> installed.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
> > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to offer
> > it again.
>
Anonymous
March 26, 2005 6:44:15 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I guess I can try that one. BUT...

(1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing off
the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort the
test.

(2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to work,
giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that, I'll
have to abort.

(3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in my
machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance will
continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still, any
attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one to
BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page. BUT
the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD new
instances cause.

(4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--, STILL
I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:o mrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing
to
| the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
| If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver,
don't you
| think?
|
| ****
| BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode,
while
| KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be
removed
| which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
| Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files at
| Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
'patch".
| Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know what
is
| done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
| ****
|
| As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
msconfig/Startup
| and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling
the
| "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers
are the
| issue with KB891711.
|
| Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
| --
| Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
| In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| Your cooperation is very appreciated.
| ------
| "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
| news:o pCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and 891711
| > installed.
| > --
| > Jeff Richards
| > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
| > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to
offer
| > > it again.
| >
|
|
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 12:13:16 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

The problem didn't appear until the machine had been running for some time,
so being able to reboot under the new setup doesn't reveal much.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:o mrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing to
> the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
> If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver, don't
> you
> think?
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 4:41:24 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Ok. Please inform us if the problem returns.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:o aKKzDlMFHA.324@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> The problem didn't appear until the machine had been running for some
time,
> so being able to reboot under the new setup doesn't reveal much.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:o mrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing
to
> > the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
> > If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver, don't
> > you
> > think?
>
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 7:07:36 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Nope, it wasn't the Trident Blade-- same BLOD in Standard VGA. I am
content to leave the matter at this point in the hands of Jerry Bryant
[MSFT]. Clearly, MS is hard at work, as it is very rare they honor us
with an emissary in this manner. And it doesn't matter that Bryant has
deposited his message & fled away. All of these MSFT personages are
mute!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ei3DLRkMFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| I guess I can try that one. BUT...
|
| (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing off
| the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort the
| test.
|
| (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to work,
| giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that,
I'll
| have to abort.
|
| (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in my
| machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance will
| continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still, any
| attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one to
| BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page. BUT
| the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD new
| instances cause.
|
| (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--, STILL
| I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
| around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
| "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
| news:o mrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after
changing
| to
| | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
| | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver,
| don't you
| | think?
| |
| | ****
| | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode,
| while
| | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be
| removed
| | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
| | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files
at
| | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
| 'patch".
| | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know
what
| is
| | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
| | ****
| |
| | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
| msconfig/Startup
| | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling
| the
| | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers
| are the
| | issue with KB891711.
| |
| | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
| | --
| | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
| |
| | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
| | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| |
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
| | ------
| | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
| | news:o pCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and
891711
| | > installed.
| | > --
| | > Jeff Richards
| | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up
(after
| | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates
to
| offer
| | > > it again.
| | >
| |
| |
|
|
March 27, 2005 7:07:37 PM

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Hi-ya PCR Pro,
So glad to see your rept. here on VGA adapter *not being* the possible
culprit, **thank you**!!

I stay tuned to this group and poll daily for new posts, and hoping for a
resolution soon!! I went to WU yesterday and this update is still offered
to me... I go away of course!! I thought about downloading the *devel*
again and running more tests on my own puter; revert to Standard VGA like
you tested. But, since many are testing... I decided against receiving the
update again.

Somehow, I think the configuration of this patch... is BIG part of the
problem, and why some puters are choking on it!! I have a newer machine, 2
Ghz and my puter choked w/this patch and the running process that was
created. I know that w/W-ME users are reporting similar choking. What's the
story w/W-XP, is this a running process.... yes/no, I'm not aware of
problems w/W-XP ??

I''m not using IE, except to go to ISP Home page. I have W-XP, SR1 & SR2,
have been considereing formating, partitioning and installing for the time
being. Meanwhile, I'm considering a MAC purchase. I'm thoroughly
disappointed w/Microsoft, OK they put this patch out.... I can't run it,
many can't run it, resolution is too slow forthcoming, my machine is
vulnerable... I'm not a happy Microsoft customer!!

If it was W-XP so adversely affected, Microsoft would jump on the band-wagon
and take problem more seriously. However, the majority of puters in the US
are not running W-XP....but other OS's, *many are not even 1 Ghz*, maybe
I'll install W-2000, I'm going to research problems w/the patch on
W/2000....!!

Microsoft is loosing the good faith of Windows users, we all know the
security problems.... I will stay tuned to this NG, I won't *hold my
breath* for any resolution that will be coming soon.

Take Care,
Star

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:e5AuviwMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Nope, it wasn't the Trident Blade-- same BLOD in Standard VGA. I am
> content to leave the matter at this point in the hands of Jerry Bryant
> [MSFT]. Clearly, MS is hard at work, as it is very rare they honor us
> with an emissary in this manner. And it doesn't matter that Bryant has
> deposited his message & fled away. All of these MSFT personages are
> mute!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:ei3DLRkMFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | I guess I can try that one. BUT...
> |
> | (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing off
> | the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort the
> | test.
> |
> | (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to work,
> | giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that,
> I'll
> | have to abort.
> |
> | (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in my
> | machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance will
> | continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still, any
> | attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one to
> | BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page. BUT
> | the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD new
> | instances cause.
> |
> | (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--, STILL
> | I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
> | around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!
> |
> |
> | --
> | Thanks or Good Luck,
> | There may be humor in this post, and,
> | Naturally, you will not sue,
> | should things get worse after this,
> | PCR
> | pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> | news:o mrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after
> changing
> | to
> | | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
> | | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver,
> | don't you
> | | think?
> | |
> | | ****
> | | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode,
> | while
> | | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be
> | removed
> | | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
> | | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files
> at
> | | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
> | 'patch".
> | | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know
> what
> | is
> | | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
> | | ****
> | |
> | | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
> | msconfig/Startup
> | | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling
> | the
> | | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers
> | are the
> | | issue with KB891711.
> | |
> | | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
> | | --
> | | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> | | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> | |
> | | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
> | | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> | |
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> | | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> | | ------
> | | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> | | news:o pCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and
> 891711
> | | > installed.
> | | > --
> | | > Jeff Richards
> | | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> | | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up
> (after
> | | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates
> to
> | offer
> | | > > it again.
> | | >
> | |
> | |
> |
> |
>
>
>
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 3:35:17 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

You are welcome. It didn't seem as perilous as other times I went to
Standard VGA. Windows were remaining on the screen this time. Still,
it's tough to adjust to the visual, & basically I just watched IE BSOD a
couple of times & reverted back to the Trident Blade. That went fairly
smooth.

Well, Bryant [MSFT] did drop in to say MS is aware & at work. That's
rare enough. It may appear he dropped dead right afterwards, as he has
not made a peep since. HOWEVER, I'm sure it really means he is hard at
work!

It is disconcerting that the thing is still offered at WU. I guess it
does work for some. STILL, there should be a warning about it there--
saying how to disable it in Safe Mode for those who won't be able to
boot! (No sense in trying to inform Bryant.)

| Somehow, I think the configuration of this patch... is BIG part of the
| problem

Right! It is KB891711.exe that is bad, nothing else! The best we could
do is to find out what in particular it is that KB891711 doesn't like.
However, someone must then repair the patch! I don't know whether XP is
immune, but it could be as you suspect, that it was implemented
differently. Could be there is nothing in the Startup Group for them.

| If it was W-XP so adversely affected, Microsoft would jump on the
| band-wagonand take problem more seriously.

Although it is an honor to receive the rare attention of MS & this
Bryant [MSFT] personage (such as it is), it could well be you are
correct-- & we are 2nd class citizens now!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:114e90da2n2a16d@corp.supernews.com...
| Hi-ya PCR Pro,
| So glad to see your rept. here on VGA adapter *not being* the
possible
| culprit, **thank you**!!
|
| I stay tuned to this group and poll daily for new posts, and hoping
for a
| resolution soon!! I went to WU yesterday and this update is still
offered
| to me... I go away of course!! I thought about downloading the
*devel*
| again and running more tests on my own puter; revert to Standard VGA
like
| you tested. But, since many are testing... I decided against
receiving the
| update again.
|
| Somehow, I think the configuration of this patch... is BIG part of the
| problem, and why some puters are choking on it!! I have a newer
machine, 2
| Ghz and my puter choked w/this patch and the running process that was
| created. I know that w/W-ME users are reporting similar choking.
What's the
| story w/W-XP, is this a running process.... yes/no, I'm not aware of
| problems w/W-XP ??
|
| I''m not using IE, except to go to ISP Home page. I have W-XP, SR1 &
SR2,
| have been considereing formating, partitioning and installing for the
time
| being. Meanwhile, I'm considering a MAC purchase. I'm thoroughly
| disappointed w/Microsoft, OK they put this patch out.... I can't run
it,
| many can't run it, resolution is too slow forthcoming, my machine is
| vulnerable... I'm not a happy Microsoft customer!!
|
| If it was W-XP so adversely affected, Microsoft would jump on the
band-wagon
| and take problem more seriously. However, the majority of puters in
the US
| are not running W-XP....but other OS's, *many are not even 1 Ghz*,
maybe
| I'll install W-2000, I'm going to research problems w/the patch on
| W/2000....!!
|
| Microsoft is loosing the good faith of Windows users, we all know the
| security problems.... I will stay tuned to this NG, I won't *hold my
| breath* for any resolution that will be coming soon.
|
| Take Care,
| Star
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:e5AuviwMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > Nope, it wasn't the Trident Blade-- same BLOD in Standard VGA. I am
| > content to leave the matter at this point in the hands of Jerry
Bryant
| > [MSFT]. Clearly, MS is hard at work, as it is very rare they honor
us
| > with an emissary in this manner. And it doesn't matter that Bryant
has
| > deposited his message & fled away. All of these MSFT personages are
| > mute!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > news:ei3DLRkMFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | I guess I can try that one. BUT...
| > |
| > | (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing
off
| > | the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort
the
| > | test.
| > |
| > | (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to
work,
| > | giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that,
| > I'll
| > | have to abort.
| > |
| > | (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in
my
| > | machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance
will
| > | continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still,
any
| > | attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one
to
| > | BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page.
BUT
| > | the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD
new
| > | instances cause.
| > |
| > | (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--,
STILL
| > | I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
| > | around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | should things get worse after this,
| > | PCR
| > | pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in
message
| > | news:o mrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > | | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after
| > changing
| > | to
| > | | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running
KB891711?
| > | | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video
driver,
| > | don't you
| > | | think?
| > | |
| > | | ****
| > | | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal
Mode,
| > | while
| > | | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to
be
| > | removed
| > | | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
| > | | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two
files
| > at
| > | | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
| > | 'patch".
| > | | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know
| > what
| > | is
| > | | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
| > | | ****
| > | |
| > | | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
| > | msconfig/Startup
| > | | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then
reenabling
| > | the
| > | | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the
drivers
| > | are the
| > | | issue with KB891711.
| > | |
| > | | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft,
Gary,
| > | | --
| > | | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| > | | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
| > | |
| > | | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
| > | | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| > | |
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| > | | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
| > | | ------
| > | | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
| > | | news:o pCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > | | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and
| > 891711
| > | | > installed.
| > | | > --
| > | | > Jeff Richards
| > | | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > | | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up
| > (after
| > | | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows
Updates
| > to
| > | offer
| > | | > > it again.
| > | | >
| > | |
| > | |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| >
|
|
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 6:35:40 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Yes - the problem appears if I do the update when running with standard PCI
VGA as the video driver.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:u9MsxQvMFHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Ok. Please inform us if the problem returns.
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 6:35:41 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I think I am very confused now.

Do you mean that you could install the MS video drivers and then run the
"patch", but if you then reinstalled the Win Update, the problem reappeared?
In other (if not better) words, the problem only appears immediately AFTER
the Win Update, and not if the previously installed "patch" is running with
the MS video drivers?
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:o f2gD%230MFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Yes - the problem appears if I do the update when running with standard
PCI
> VGA as the video driver.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

<SNIP>
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 7:13:33 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Forget his video drivers! It isn't them!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:o U$5s37MFHA.3380@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| I think I am very confused now.
|
| Do you mean that you could install the MS video drivers and then run
the
| "patch", but if you then reinstalled the Win Update, the problem
reappeared?
| In other (if not better) words, the problem only appears immediately
AFTER
| the Win Update, and not if the previously installed "patch" is running
with
| the MS video drivers?
| --
| Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/defaul...
| In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| Your cooperation is very appreciated.
| ------
| "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
| news:o f2gD%230MFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > Yes - the problem appears if I do the update when running with
standard
| PCI
| > VGA as the video driver.
| > --
| > Jeff Richards
| > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
|
| <SNIP>
|
|
Anonymous
March 29, 2005 11:22:23 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I don't know what 'patch' you are referring to.

If I install update KB891711 then the machine continually errors with
Explorer errors and BSOD. If I uninstall update KB891711 then the problems
do not appear. This behaviour is the same when I am running the generic VGA
video adapter drivers and when I am running the correct video drivers for my
hardware.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:o U$5s37MFHA.3380@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>I think I am very confused now.
>
> Do you mean that you could install the MS video drivers and then run the
> "patch", but if you then reinstalled the Win Update, the problem
> reappeared?
> In other (if not better) words, the problem only appears immediately AFTER
> the Win Update, and not if the previously installed "patch" is running
> with
> the MS video drivers?
!