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Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
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  1. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    Windows 98 General Discussion group?

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

    "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    > Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    > --
    > Roger
  2. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    sry. just because there was a plethora of responses to notice of someone
    dying and then a philosophical discussion that probably doesn't belong here
    either.
    thanks for the response. you are a great help here to us.

    "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

    > As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    > Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >
    > --
    > Gary S. Terhune
    > MS MVP Shell/User
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >
    > "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    > > Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    > > --
    > > Roger
    >
    >
  3. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)

    --
    In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

    All the Best,
    Kelly (MS-MVP)

    Troubleshooting Windows XP
    http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


    "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    > Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >
    > --
    > Gary S. Terhune
    > MS MVP Shell/User
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >
    > "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    >> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    >> --
    >> Roger
    >
  4. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hey, Kid. How's it?

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

    "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    >
    > --
    > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >
    > All the Best,
    > Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >
    > Troubleshooting Windows XP
    > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >
    >
    > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > > As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in
    the
    > > Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    > >
    > > --
    > > Gary S. Terhune
    > > MS MVP Shell/User
    > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    > >
    > > "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > > message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    > >> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    > >> --
    > >> Roger
    > >
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
    <VBSEG>

    --
    Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


    "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    >
    > --
    > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >
    > All the Best,
    > Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >
    > Troubleshooting Windows XP
    > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >
    >
    > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >>
    >> --
    >> Gary S. Terhune
    >> MS MVP Shell/User
    >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >>
    >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    >>> --
    >>> Roger
    >>
    >
    >
  6. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    She follows you around, Richard, just like me sometimes.

    Got any ideas about the KB891711 problem under Win9X and W2K?
    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
    > <VBSEG>
    >
    > --
    > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    > * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    > * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    > >
    > > --
    > > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    > >
    > > All the Best,
    > > Kelly (MS-MVP)
    > >
    > > Troubleshooting Windows XP
    > > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    > >
    > >
    > > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    > >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Gary S. Terhune
    > >> MS MVP Shell/User
    > >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    > >>
    > >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    > >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    > >>> --
    > >>> Roger
    > >>
  7. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Candy is OK by me. He & Dundat have been known to climb in/out many a
    Recycle Bin, intrepidly, to save a poster/two here. ONLY Candy has
    survived!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    | Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    | --
    | Roger
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    Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and I
    have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that patch
    on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.

    --
    Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:%23ciZnc6LFHA.2796@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > She follows you around, Richard, just like me sometimes.
    >
    > Got any ideas about the KB891711 problem under Win9X and W2K?
    > --
    > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    > ------
    > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
    >> <VBSEG>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    >> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    >> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >> >
    >> > All the Best,
    >> > Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >> >
    >> > Troubleshooting Windows XP
    >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    >> >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Gary S. Terhune
    >> >> MS MVP Shell/User
    >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >> >>
    >> >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >> >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    >> >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    >> >>> --
    >> >>> Roger
    >> >>
    >
    >
    >
  9. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Have been reflecting......and thought of you guys! :o)

    --
    In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

    All the Best,
    Kelly (MS-MVP)

    Troubleshooting Windows XP
    http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


    "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:u8rJ1k3LFHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > Hey, Kid. How's it?
    >
    > --
    > Gary S. Terhune
    > MS MVP Shell/User
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >
    > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    >>
    >> --
    >> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >>
    >> All the Best,
    >> Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >>
    >> Troubleshooting Windows XP
    >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >>
    >>
    >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> > As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in
    > the
    >> > Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > Gary S. Terhune
    >> > MS MVP Shell/User
    >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >> >
    >> > "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >> > message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    >> >> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    >> >> --
    >> >> Roger
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
  10. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    <LOL> True that, I just missed yall.

    --
    In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

    All the Best,
    Kelly (MS-MVP)

    Troubleshooting Windows XP
    http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


    "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
    > <VBSEG>
    >
    > --
    > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    > * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    > * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    >>
    >> --
    >> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >>
    >> All the Best,
    >> Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >>
    >> Troubleshooting Windows XP
    >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >>
    >>
    >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >>> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    >>> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Gary S. Terhune
    >>> MS MVP Shell/User
    >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >>>
    >>> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >>> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    >>>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    >>>> --
    >>>> Roger
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  11. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    We miss you too. Always glad to see you stop in and say hey! :-)

    --
    Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


    "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:u8fcC9DMFHA.4092@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > <LOL> True that, I just missed yall.
    >
    > --
    > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >
    > All the Best,
    > Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >
    > Troubleshooting Windows XP
    > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >
    >
    > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
    >> <VBSEG>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    >> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    >> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>> Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    >>>
    >>> All the Best,
    >>> Kelly (MS-MVP)
    >>>
    >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
    >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>> news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >>>> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in the
    >>>> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Gary S. Terhune
    >>>> MS MVP Shell/User
    >>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    >>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >>>>
    >>>> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >>>> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    >>>>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Roger
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  12. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Not only have none of my machines exhibited the Update problem, I can't even
    find one locally to see it in the flesh.
    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and I
    > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that patch
    > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
    >
    > --
    > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    > * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    > * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    > news:%23ciZnc6LFHA.2796@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > > She follows you around, Richard, just like me sometimes.
    > >
    > > Got any ideas about the KB891711 problem under Win9X and W2K?
    > > --
    > > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    > > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    > >
    > > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    > > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    > > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    > > ------
    > > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > > news:eQ20zD6LFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> Hey! Who let you in? This thread isn't even crossposted!
    > >> <VBSEG>
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
    > >> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
    > >> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > >> news:uNcyPJ3LFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > >> > Hi GAry (Kelly waving hand)! :o)
    > >> >
    > >> > --
    > >> > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/
    > >> >
    > >> > All the Best,
    > >> > Kelly (MS-MVP)
    > >> >
    > >> > Troubleshooting Windows XP
    > >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > >> > news:uLFKl$wLFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> As far as I know, no. Why do you ask, and why do you ask here, in
    the
    > >> >> Windows 98 General Discussion group?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Gary S. Terhune
    > >> >> MS MVP Shell/User
    > >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > >> >> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Rogerinthecity" <Rogerinthecity@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > >> >> message news:C0103C83-3084-4626-A204-9F552345F329@microsoft.com...
    > >> >>> Is David Candy a Microsoft employee??
    > >> >>> --
    > >> >>> Roger
    > >> >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    Two out of two failures here .
    --
    Jeff Richards
    MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and I
    > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that patch
    > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
  14. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I've received a request from the team that's working on the
    KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had problems
    with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can help
    them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
    problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not yet
    received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than has
    been reported thus far.
    <snip>

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm


    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Two out of two failures here .
    > --
    > Jeff Richards
    > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and
    I
    > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that
    patch
    > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
    >
    >
  15. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Jeff, perhaps you will consider restoring the plain-vanilla MS video
    drivers on the afflicted machines to test the current theory that the video
    drivers are the cause of the problem? I just can't find any affected boxes.
    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Two out of two failures here .
    > --
    > Jeff Richards
    > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it happen and
    I
    > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted that
    patch
    > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
    >
  16. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    See Don Kirkpatrick's reply to me on this issue. As I suspected, the
    right hand still doesn't know what the left hand is doing at Microsoft.
    I'd hold off on directly calling MS on this issue until this gets
    straightened out.

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:usYkaxVMFHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > I've received a request from the team that's working on the
    > KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had
    problems
    > with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can help
    > them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
    > problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not
    yet
    > received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than
    has
    > been reported thus far.
    > <snip>
    >
    > --
    > Gary S. Terhune
    > MS MVP Shell/User
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >
    >
    > --
    > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    > ------
    > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > > Two out of two failures here .
    > > --
    > > Jeff Richards
    > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it
    happen and
    > I
    > > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted
    that
    > patch
    > > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  17. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Where on earth is this Kirkpatrick reply???

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:%23CwZgEWMFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    | See Don Kirkpatrick's reply to me on this issue. As I suspected, the
    | right hand still doesn't know what the left hand is doing at
    Microsoft.
    | I'd hold off on directly calling MS on this issue until this gets
    | straightened out.
    |
    | --
    | Gary S. Terhune
    | MS MVP Shell/User
    | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    |
    | "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    | news:usYkaxVMFHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | > I've received a request from the team that's working on the
    | > KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had
    | problems
    | > with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can
    help
    | > them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
    | > problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not
    | yet
    | > received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than
    | has
    | > been reported thus far.
    | > <snip>
    | >
    | > --
    | > Gary S. Terhune
    | > MS MVP Shell/User
    | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    | >
    | >
    | > --
    | > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    | > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    | >
    | > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    | > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    | >
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    | > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    | > ------
    | > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    | > news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | > > Two out of two failures here .
    | > > --
    | > > Jeff Richards
    | > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    | > > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    | > > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    | > > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it
    | happen and
    | > I
    | > > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted
    | that
    | > patch
    | > > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
    | > >
    | > >
    | >
    | >
    |
  18. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    The latest from MS:

    "Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on Windows
    98,
    Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able to
    confirm these reports and are currently working on a resolution.

    "Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine will
    return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we are currently not aware
    of customer's being exploited by way of the vulnerability fixed in
    MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. If you need
    additional assistance regarding this update, please contact +1 (866)
    PCSAFETY."

    I'm now assured, and fairly confident, that anyone who answers that
    number will be up to speed on the issue.

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

    "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:%23CwZgEWMFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > See Don Kirkpatrick's reply to me on this issue. As I suspected, the
    > right hand still doesn't know what the left hand is doing at
    Microsoft.
    > I'd hold off on directly calling MS on this issue until this gets
    > straightened out.
    >
    > --
    > Gary S. Terhune
    > MS MVP Shell/User
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    >
    > "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    > news:usYkaxVMFHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > > I've received a request from the team that's working on the
    > > KB891711 issue. They would like everyone in the USA who has had
    > problems
    > > with KB891711 to call 1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338). If you can
    help
    > > them with some info, they say they're close to reproducing the
    > > problem--first step toward solving it. I have asked for, though not
    > yet
    > > received, assurances that callers will be taken more seriously than
    > has
    > > been reported thus far.
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > > --
    > > Gary S. Terhune
    > > MS MVP Shell/User
    > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    > > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    > >
    > > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    > > In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    > >
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    > > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    > > ------
    > > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    > > news:eL2l3aSMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > > > Two out of two failures here .
    > > > --
    > > > Jeff Richards
    > > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > > > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:eJifO8AMFHA.1308@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > > > > Several, but I'm confounded by the fact that I can't make it
    > happen and
    > > I
    > > > > have taken three PCs at work (all various brands) and inflicted
    > that
    > > patch
    > > > > on them. Neither can I get it to happen under Virtual PC.
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
  19. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Gary S. Terhune wrote:
    > The latest from MS:
    >
    > "Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on Windows
    > 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able to
    > confirm these reports and are currently working on a resolution.
    >
    > "Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine will
    > return to a vulnerable state.

    Like when isn't the machine at some vulnerable state? (rhetorical)
    (nevermind...)
  20. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Re-installing plain vanilla video drivers isn't possible unless the update
    has been removed, but Windows update will not re-install the update so it's
    not possible to determine whether or not the changed video driver has an
    effect. Classic Catch-22.
    --
    Jeff Richards
    MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:eAUvnyVMFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Jeff, perhaps you will consider restoring the plain-vanilla MS video
    > drivers on the afflicted machines to test the current theory that the
    > video
    > drivers are the cause of the problem? I just can't find any affected
    > boxes.
  21. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
    uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to offer
    it again.

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

    "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    news:OCFH13ZMFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > Re-installing plain vanilla video drivers isn't possible unless the
    update
    > has been removed, but Windows update will not re-install the update so
    it's
    > not possible to determine whether or not the changed video driver has
    an
    > effect. Classic Catch-22.
    > --
    > Jeff Richards
    > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    > news:eAUvnyVMFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > > Jeff, perhaps you will consider restoring the plain-vanilla MS
    video
    > > drivers on the afflicted machines to test the current theory that
    the
    > > video
    > > drivers are the cause of the problem? I just can't find any
    affected
    > > boxes.
    >
    >
  22. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and 891711
    installed.
    --
    Jeff Richards
    MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
    > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to offer
    > it again.
  23. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing to
    the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
    If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver, don't you
    think?

    ****
    BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode, while
    KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be removed
    which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
    Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files at
    Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the 'patch".
    Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know what is
    done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
    ****

    As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using msconfig/Startup
    and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling the
    "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers are the
    issue with KB891711.

    Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    news:OpCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and 891711
    > installed.
    > --
    > Jeff Richards
    > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
    > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to offer
    > > it again.
    >
  24. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I guess I can try that one. BUT...

    (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing off
    the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort the
    test.

    (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to work,
    giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that, I'll
    have to abort.

    (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in my
    machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance will
    continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still, any
    attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one to
    BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page. BUT
    the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD new
    instances cause.

    (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--, STILL
    I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
    around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:OmrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing
    to
    | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
    | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver,
    don't you
    | think?
    |
    | ****
    | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode,
    while
    | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be
    removed
    | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
    | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files at
    | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
    'patch".
    | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know what
    is
    | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
    | ****
    |
    | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
    msconfig/Startup
    | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling
    the
    | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers
    are the
    | issue with KB891711.
    |
    | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
    | --
    | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    |
    | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    | ------
    | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    | news:OpCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and 891711
    | > installed.
    | > --
    | > Jeff Richards
    | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up (after
    | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates to
    offer
    | > > it again.
    | >
    |
    |
  25. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    The problem didn't appear until the machine had been running for some time,
    so being able to reboot under the new setup doesn't reveal much.
    --
    Jeff Richards
    MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:OmrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing to
    > the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
    > If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver, don't
    > you
    > think?
  26. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Ok. Please inform us if the problem returns.
    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    news:OaKKzDlMFHA.324@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > The problem didn't appear until the machine had been running for some
    time,
    > so being able to reboot under the new setup doesn't reveal much.
    > --
    > Jeff Richards
    > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    > news:OmrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > > Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after changing
    to
    > > the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
    > > If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver, don't
    > > you
    > > think?
    >
  27. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Nope, it wasn't the Trident Blade-- same BLOD in Standard VGA. I am
    content to leave the matter at this point in the hands of Jerry Bryant
    [MSFT]. Clearly, MS is hard at work, as it is very rare they honor us
    with an emissary in this manner. And it doesn't matter that Bryant has
    deposited his message & fled away. All of these MSFT personages are
    mute!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:ei3DLRkMFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | I guess I can try that one. BUT...
    |
    | (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing off
    | the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort the
    | test.
    |
    | (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to work,
    | giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that,
    I'll
    | have to abort.
    |
    | (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in my
    | machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance will
    | continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still, any
    | attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one to
    | BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page. BUT
    | the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD new
    | instances cause.
    |
    | (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--, STILL
    | I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
    | around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!
    |
    |
    | --
    | Thanks or Good Luck,
    | There may be humor in this post, and,
    | Naturally, you will not sue,
    | should things get worse after this,
    | PCR
    | pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    | news:OmrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after
    changing
    | to
    | | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
    | | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver,
    | don't you
    | | think?
    | |
    | | ****
    | | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode,
    | while
    | | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be
    | removed
    | | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
    | | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files
    at
    | | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
    | 'patch".
    | | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know
    what
    | is
    | | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
    | | ****
    | |
    | | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
    | msconfig/Startup
    | | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling
    | the
    | | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers
    | are the
    | | issue with KB891711.
    | |
    | | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
    | | --
    | | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    | | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    | |
    | | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    | | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    | |
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    | | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    | | ------
    | | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    | | news:OpCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and
    891711
    | | > installed.
    | | > --
    | | > Jeff Richards
    | | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    | | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up
    (after
    | | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates
    to
    | offer
    | | > > it again.
    | | >
    | |
    | |
    |
    |
  28. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Hi-ya PCR Pro,
    So glad to see your rept. here on VGA adapter *not being* the possible
    culprit, **thank you**!!

    I stay tuned to this group and poll daily for new posts, and hoping for a
    resolution soon!! I went to WU yesterday and this update is still offered
    to me... I go away of course!! I thought about downloading the *devel*
    again and running more tests on my own puter; revert to Standard VGA like
    you tested. But, since many are testing... I decided against receiving the
    update again.

    Somehow, I think the configuration of this patch... is BIG part of the
    problem, and why some puters are choking on it!! I have a newer machine, 2
    Ghz and my puter choked w/this patch and the running process that was
    created. I know that w/W-ME users are reporting similar choking. What's the
    story w/W-XP, is this a running process.... yes/no, I'm not aware of
    problems w/W-XP ??

    I''m not using IE, except to go to ISP Home page. I have W-XP, SR1 & SR2,
    have been considereing formating, partitioning and installing for the time
    being. Meanwhile, I'm considering a MAC purchase. I'm thoroughly
    disappointed w/Microsoft, OK they put this patch out.... I can't run it,
    many can't run it, resolution is too slow forthcoming, my machine is
    vulnerable... I'm not a happy Microsoft customer!!

    If it was W-XP so adversely affected, Microsoft would jump on the band-wagon
    and take problem more seriously. However, the majority of puters in the US
    are not running W-XP....but other OS's, *many are not even 1 Ghz*, maybe
    I'll install W-2000, I'm going to research problems w/the patch on
    W/2000....!!

    Microsoft is loosing the good faith of Windows users, we all know the
    security problems.... I will stay tuned to this NG, I won't *hold my
    breath* for any resolution that will be coming soon.

    Take Care,
    Star

    "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:e5AuviwMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Nope, it wasn't the Trident Blade-- same BLOD in Standard VGA. I am
    > content to leave the matter at this point in the hands of Jerry Bryant
    > [MSFT]. Clearly, MS is hard at work, as it is very rare they honor us
    > with an emissary in this manner. And it doesn't matter that Bryant has
    > deposited his message & fled away. All of these MSFT personages are
    > mute!
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thanks or Good Luck,
    > There may be humor in this post, and,
    > Naturally, you will not sue,
    > should things get worse after this,
    > PCR
    > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    > news:ei3DLRkMFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > | I guess I can try that one. BUT...
    > |
    > | (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing off
    > | the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort the
    > | test.
    > |
    > | (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to work,
    > | giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that,
    > I'll
    > | have to abort.
    > |
    > | (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in my
    > | machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance will
    > | continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still, any
    > | attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one to
    > | BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page. BUT
    > | the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD new
    > | instances cause.
    > |
    > | (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--, STILL
    > | I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
    > | around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!
    > |
    > |
    > | --
    > | Thanks or Good Luck,
    > | There may be humor in this post, and,
    > | Naturally, you will not sue,
    > | should things get worse after this,
    > | PCR
    > | pcrrcp@netzero.net
    > | "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    > | news:OmrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after
    > changing
    > | to
    > | | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running KB891711?
    > | | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video driver,
    > | don't you
    > | | think?
    > | |
    > | | ****
    > | | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal Mode,
    > | while
    > | | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to be
    > | removed
    > | | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
    > | | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two files
    > at
    > | | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
    > | 'patch".
    > | | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know
    > what
    > | is
    > | | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
    > | | ****
    > | |
    > | | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
    > | msconfig/Startup
    > | | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then reenabling
    > | the
    > | | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the drivers
    > | are the
    > | | issue with KB891711.
    > | |
    > | | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft, Gary,
    > | | --
    > | | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    > | | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    > | |
    > | | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    > | | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    > | |
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    > | | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    > | | ------
    > | | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    > | | news:OpCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    > | | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and
    > 891711
    > | | > installed.
    > | | > --
    > | | > Jeff Richards
    > | | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > | | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > | | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up
    > (after
    > | | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows Updates
    > to
    > | offer
    > | | > > it again.
    > | | >
    > | |
    > | |
    > |
    > |
    >
    >
    >
  29. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    You are welcome. It didn't seem as perilous as other times I went to
    Standard VGA. Windows were remaining on the screen this time. Still,
    it's tough to adjust to the visual, & basically I just watched IE BSOD a
    couple of times & reverted back to the Trident Blade. That went fairly
    smooth.

    Well, Bryant [MSFT] did drop in to say MS is aware & at work. That's
    rare enough. It may appear he dropped dead right afterwards, as he has
    not made a peep since. HOWEVER, I'm sure it really means he is hard at
    work!

    It is disconcerting that the thing is still offered at WU. I guess it
    does work for some. STILL, there should be a warning about it there--
    saying how to disable it in Safe Mode for those who won't be able to
    boot! (No sense in trying to inform Bryant.)

    | Somehow, I think the configuration of this patch... is BIG part of the
    | problem

    Right! It is KB891711.exe that is bad, nothing else! The best we could
    do is to find out what in particular it is that KB891711 doesn't like.
    However, someone must then repair the patch! I don't know whether XP is
    immune, but it could be as you suspect, that it was implemented
    differently. Could be there is nothing in the Startup Group for them.

    | If it was W-XP so adversely affected, Microsoft would jump on the
    | band-wagonand take problem more seriously.

    Although it is an honor to receive the rare attention of MS & this
    Bryant [MSFT] personage (such as it is), it could well be you are
    correct-- & we are 2nd class citizens now!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Star" <star@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:114e90da2n2a16d@corp.supernews.com...
    | Hi-ya PCR Pro,
    | So glad to see your rept. here on VGA adapter *not being* the
    possible
    | culprit, **thank you**!!
    |
    | I stay tuned to this group and poll daily for new posts, and hoping
    for a
    | resolution soon!! I went to WU yesterday and this update is still
    offered
    | to me... I go away of course!! I thought about downloading the
    *devel*
    | again and running more tests on my own puter; revert to Standard VGA
    like
    | you tested. But, since many are testing... I decided against
    receiving the
    | update again.
    |
    | Somehow, I think the configuration of this patch... is BIG part of the
    | problem, and why some puters are choking on it!! I have a newer
    machine, 2
    | Ghz and my puter choked w/this patch and the running process that was
    | created. I know that w/W-ME users are reporting similar choking.
    What's the
    | story w/W-XP, is this a running process.... yes/no, I'm not aware of
    | problems w/W-XP ??
    |
    | I''m not using IE, except to go to ISP Home page. I have W-XP, SR1 &
    SR2,
    | have been considereing formating, partitioning and installing for the
    time
    | being. Meanwhile, I'm considering a MAC purchase. I'm thoroughly
    | disappointed w/Microsoft, OK they put this patch out.... I can't run
    it,
    | many can't run it, resolution is too slow forthcoming, my machine is
    | vulnerable... I'm not a happy Microsoft customer!!
    |
    | If it was W-XP so adversely affected, Microsoft would jump on the
    band-wagon
    | and take problem more seriously. However, the majority of puters in
    the US
    | are not running W-XP....but other OS's, *many are not even 1 Ghz*,
    maybe
    | I'll install W-2000, I'm going to research problems w/the patch on
    | W/2000....!!
    |
    | Microsoft is loosing the good faith of Windows users, we all know the
    | security problems.... I will stay tuned to this NG, I won't *hold my
    | breath* for any resolution that will be coming soon.
    |
    | Take Care,
    | Star
    |
    | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | news:e5AuviwMFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | > Nope, it wasn't the Trident Blade-- same BLOD in Standard VGA. I am
    | > content to leave the matter at this point in the hands of Jerry
    Bryant
    | > [MSFT]. Clearly, MS is hard at work, as it is very rare they honor
    us
    | > with an emissary in this manner. And it doesn't matter that Bryant
    has
    | > deposited his message & fled away. All of these MSFT personages are
    | > mute!
    | >
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
    | > news:ei3DLRkMFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    | > | I guess I can try that one. BUT...
    | > |
    | > | (1) Last time I went to my Standard VGA, some windows were drawing
    off
    | > | the screen. If I can't get to critical buttons, I'll have to abort
    the
    | > | test.
    | > |
    | > | (2) Once, in Standard VGA, I even recall an app/two refused to
    work,
    | > | giving an error message about resolution. If NetZero is like that,
    | > I'll
    | > | have to abort.
    | > |
    | > | (3) If it is the Video Adapter, why does KB891711 appear to run in
    my
    | > | machine, IF I open an IE instance while offline? That instance
    will
    | > | continue to run, after getting online (through NetZero). Still,
    any
    | > | attempt to open a new instance after that will cause the new one
    to
    | > | BSOD, including the one NetZero tries to open for it's home page.
    BUT
    | > | the one pre-opened DOES CONTINUE to work, no matter how many BSOD
    new
    | > | instances cause.
    | > |
    | > | (4) If it "is" the Video Adapter --Trident Blade 3D/MVP4 (63)--,
    STILL
    | > | I'd prefer KB891711 to be made compatible TO IT, not the other way
    | > | around. Nothing else in here is having trouble with my Blade!
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | --
    | > | Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > | There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > | Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > | should things get worse after this,
    | > | PCR
    | > | pcrrcp@netzero.net
    | > | "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in
    message
    | > | news:OmrEwyeMFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > | | Do I understand you to mean that the machine works fine after
    | > changing
    | > | to
    | > | | the Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) AND while running
    KB891711?
    | > | | If so, that would seem to implicate the third-party video
    driver,
    | > | don't you
    | > | | think?
    | > | |
    | > | | ****
    | > | | BTW & AFAIK, using the Add-Remove Programs wizard, in Normal
    Mode,
    | > | while
    | > | | KB891711.exe is executing, causes the registry "Run" entries to
    be
    | > | removed
    | > | | which launch it at Startup. WU does NOT reoffer the "patch".
    | > | | Using Add-Remove wizard during Safe Mode also deletes the two
    files
    | > at
    | > | | Windows\System\KB891711, which causes Win Updates to reoffer the
    | > | 'patch".
    | > | | Win98 has a third file, a KB891711.inf, about which I don't know
    | > what
    | > | is
    | > | | done during the uninstall. Others here may know.
    | > | | ****
    | > | |
    | > | | As a further test, if temporarily disabling KB891711 using
    | > | msconfig/Startup
    | > | | and reinstalling the third-party video drivers, and then
    reenabling
    | > | the
    | > | | "patch" again causes the machine to throwup, I would say the
    drivers
    | > | are the
    | > | | issue with KB891711.
    | > | |
    | > | | Thank you for your help, and pass this along to Microsoft,
    Gary,
    | > | | --
    | > | | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    | > | | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    | > | |
    | > | | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    | > | | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    | > | |
    | >
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    | > | | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    | > | | ------
    | > | | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    | > | | news:OpCu1zbMFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
    | > | | > OK. Now running with Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA) and
    | > 891711
    | > | | > installed.
    | > | | > --
    | > | | > Jeff Richards
    | > | | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    | > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    | > | | > news:uAorypaMFHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | > | | > > Do a Find on "KB891711" and delete everything that comes up
    | > (after
    | > | | > > uninstalling.) According to others, this causes Windows
    Updates
    | > to
    | > | offer
    | > | | > > it again.
    | > | | >
    | > | |
    | > | |
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
  30. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Yes - the problem appears if I do the update when running with standard PCI
    VGA as the video driver.
    --
    Jeff Richards
    MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:u9MsxQvMFHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > Ok. Please inform us if the problem returns.
  31. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I think I am very confused now.

    Do you mean that you could install the MS video drivers and then run the
    "patch", but if you then reinstalled the Win Update, the problem reappeared?
    In other (if not better) words, the problem only appears immediately AFTER
    the Win Update, and not if the previously installed "patch" is running with
    the MS video drivers?
    --
    Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    ------
    "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    news:Of2gD%230MFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Yes - the problem appears if I do the update when running with standard
    PCI
    > VGA as the video driver.
    > --
    > Jeff Richards
    > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

    <SNIP>
  32. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    Forget his video drivers! It isn't them!


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR
    pcrrcp@netzero.net
    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:OU$5s37MFHA.3380@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    | I think I am very confused now.
    |
    | Do you mean that you could install the MS video drivers and then run
    the
    | "patch", but if you then reinstalled the Win Update, the problem
    reappeared?
    | In other (if not better) words, the problem only appears immediately
    AFTER
    | the Win Update, and not if the previously installed "patch" is running
    with
    | the MS video drivers?
    | --
    | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
    | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
    |
    | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
    | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
    | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
    | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
    | ------
    | "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
    | news:Of2gD%230MFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | > Yes - the problem appears if I do the update when running with
    standard
    | PCI
    | > VGA as the video driver.
    | > --
    | > Jeff Richards
    | > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    |
    | <SNIP>
    |
    |
  33. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

    I don't know what 'patch' you are referring to.

    If I install update KB891711 then the machine continually errors with
    Explorer errors and BSOD. If I uninstall update KB891711 then the problems
    do not appear. This behaviour is the same when I am running the generic VGA
    video adapter drivers and when I am running the correct video drivers for my
    hardware.
    --
    Jeff Richards
    MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
    "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
    news:OU$5s37MFHA.3380@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >I think I am very confused now.
    >
    > Do you mean that you could install the MS video drivers and then run the
    > "patch", but if you then reinstalled the Win Update, the problem
    > reappeared?
    > In other (if not better) words, the problem only appears immediately AFTER
    > the Win Update, and not if the previously installed "patch" is running
    > with
    > the MS video drivers?
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