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Anonymous
March 25, 2005 12:27:35 AM

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.... I get about halfway through the update process updating an OEM 98
laptop to 98 SE. Seems to stop at the point where it is starting to
copy files from the CD for the update (w/ ~ 27 minutes left to go).
Mouse still moveable, ctrl-alt-del still works, so it's not a hang per
se. 450MB+ of free space, so I don't think that's an issue. No virus
sw so can't be a conflict from that.

Any ideas about things to try and order in which to try? I'd try to
install from safe mode, but CD not available in safe mode.
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 3:47:12 AM

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On 24 Mar 2005 21:27:35 -0800, trippknightly@hotmail.com wrote:

>... I get about halfway through the update process updating an OEM 98
>laptop to 98 SE. Seems to stop at the point where it is starting to
>copy files from the CD for the update (w/ ~ 27 minutes left to go).
>Mouse still moveable, ctrl-alt-del still works, so it's not a hang per
>se. 450MB+ of free space, so I don't think that's an issue. No virus
>sw so can't be a conflict from that.
>
>Any ideas about things to try and order in which to try? I'd try to
>install from safe mode, but CD not available in safe mode.

Try copying the Win98 folder on the CD to your HDD from Windows then
run Setup from there. Booting with a Win98 startup diskette then
running Setup from the HDD very often helps. That ensures enough
conventional memory for Setup to extract and copy files.

Installing from Safe mode probably won't help but if your
autoexec.bat and config,sys files have your CDrom drivers in Dos you
can boot to Dos Command Prompt Only and enter Win.com /d:m to get
into Safe mode with CDrom support.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
March 25, 2005 10:21:28 PM

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On 24 Mar 2005 21:27:35 -0800, trippknightly@hotmail.com wrote:

> ... I get about halfway through the update process updating an OEM 98
> laptop to 98 SE. Seems to stop at the point where it is starting to
> copy files from the CD for the update (w/ ~ 27 minutes left to go).
> Mouse still moveable, ctrl-alt-del still works, so it's not a hang per
> se. 450MB+ of free space, so I don't think that's an issue. No virus
> sw so can't be a conflict from that.
>
> Any ideas about things to try and order in which to try? I'd try to
> install from safe mode, but CD not available in safe mode.

I am not certain that my suggestion will help, but I will toss it out
anyway. I have installed 98 SE update a number of times. Occasionally it
will stall. I simply remove the CD and reinsert. The install has always
continued without incident. I do not know why this happens. I simply
relate my experience.
--
r.s.nevin@att.net
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Anonymous
March 28, 2005 12:08:42 AM

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Thanks Gary for the cautions about updating to SE over a since-updated
98 install (as was mine). After triggering clean boot via msconfig
(see the info text files on the Updates disc), was able to install 98
SE w/o much incident (a couple system freezes at attempted shutdown).
Then went to windowsupdate @ Microsoft's site to update my O/S /
Internet explorer. Seemed like the the number of "critical" updates I
had to do corroborated your caution about the upgrade to 98 SE from
disk being a retrograde on an updated 98 v1. But all that behind me;
now working great (so far).

I post this just for posterity fwiw.
March 28, 2005 2:28:06 AM

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i thought you simply couldnt update a 98 to 98se.


<trippknightly@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111728455.160564.128950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> ... I get about halfway through the update process updating an OEM 98
> laptop to 98 SE. Seems to stop at the point where it is starting to
> copy files from the CD for the update (w/ ~ 27 minutes left to go).
> Mouse still moveable, ctrl-alt-del still works, so it's not a hang per
> se. 450MB+ of free space, so I don't think that's an issue. No virus
> sw so can't be a conflict from that.
>
> Any ideas about things to try and order in which to try? I'd try to
> install from safe mode, but CD not available in safe mode.
>
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 2:28:07 AM

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There is only one scenario that matches your preconception, and that's
upgrading from Win98 to Win98SE using a generic OEM Win98SE CD. And even
*that* can be done, usually, by employing a trick or two. Otherwise, you
can upgrade to SE using an "Updates" CD (only upgrades an existing Win98
system), or a retail Upgrade or Full install CD (upgrades Win 3.1FWG,
Win95 and Win98 to Win98SE.)

It is not *recommended* to upgrade an up-to-date Windows 98 system to
Windows 98SE (or even some Win95 systems to Win98SE) because it is in
reality a downgrade. Up-to-date Win98 systems have many, many system
files that are newer versions than those Win98SE tries to install, and
the process usually leads to DLL Hell, broken patches, etc., and
sometimes requires reinstalling apps. In the long run, it is much more
efficient to "clean install" Windows 98SE from scratch.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"mister" <cornflow@bellcorp.com> wrote in message
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> i thought you simply couldnt update a 98 to 98se.
>
>
> <trippknightly@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1111728455.160564.128950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > ... I get about halfway through the update process updating an OEM
98
> > laptop to 98 SE. Seems to stop at the point where it is starting to
> > copy files from the CD for the update (w/ ~ 27 minutes left to go).
> > Mouse still moveable, ctrl-alt-del still works, so it's not a hang
per
> > se. 450MB+ of free space, so I don't think that's an issue. No
virus
> > sw so can't be a conflict from that.
> >
> > Any ideas about things to try and order in which to try? I'd try to
> > install from safe mode, but CD not available in safe mode.
> >
>
>
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 3:02:17 AM

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Yes, Windows Updates will have a lot to offer a newly installed SE,
regardless of how it's installed. But it is just as likely to see
certain updates as having already been installed, when in reality the
"overinstall" broke those updates.

Note that most of these issues aren't anything you're going to notice
easily. A broken update is most likely to be evidenced by a
vulnerability being exploited, and most of us employ other methods of
protection that (usually) mitigate the dangers.What you're most likely
to notice is less than ideal performance, more random errors than would
otherwise occur, etc. These being relative to an ideal system, which has
probably not been experienced by the user in some time, if ever, it's
hard to recognize when it occurs. Many people think it's *normal* to
have to reboot Windows 98 every couple of hours, for example, when that
just isn't true.

In short, even if the system *seems* to be running fine, I would simply
not trust an overinstall of Windows 98 in any flavor, nor an upgrade
from 98 "Gold" to SE unless it was a spanking fresh installation to
begin with (meaning that "Gold" was installed and then immediately
upgraded.). It is no longer a "known quantity".

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

<trippknightly@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Gary for the cautions about updating to SE over a since-updated
> 98 install (as was mine). After triggering clean boot via msconfig
> (see the info text files on the Updates disc), was able to install 98
> SE w/o much incident (a couple system freezes at attempted shutdown).
> Then went to windowsupdate @ Microsoft's site to update my O/S /
> Internet explorer. Seemed like the the number of "critical" updates I
> had to do corroborated your caution about the upgrade to 98 SE from
> disk being a retrograde on an updated 98 v1. But all that behind me;
> now working great (so far).
>
> I post this just for posterity fwiw.
>
!