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More info?)
Yes, let us know if you ever do find the problem. I am afraid WinTV is one of a
list of things I know nothing about.
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Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
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"Martin" <vdp4r@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Makes sense, Glen. As it is, those Intel drivers haven't made any
> difference either way.
>
> Anyway, I've made fair progress in that I finally got my burner working
> (up-to-date Windows/Adaptec ASPI files sorted that out) and that has allowed
> me to check out the PCMCIA combo card by comparing its USB 2 & Firewire
> inputs with the USB 1.1 input at the back of the laptop. Write-speed
> tests show that the combo card is working properly, in that:
>
> Firewire 96kB/s 69.5x
> USB 2 48kB/s 48x
> USB 1.1 14kB/s 10.2x
>
> With everything else working perfectly via the combo card, I now believe the
> Wintv problem is just a quirk. In Device Manager, the "Hauppage Wintv
> USB Pro (PAL I)" device appears under Sound, Video and Game Controllers when
> the Wintv box is plugged into either the USB 1.1 port or the USB 2
> combo-card port - so Windows is seeing the device when it's plugged into the
> USB2 input.
>
> The Wintv people say it should work via the USB 2 input. (I decided to
> let it retune itself via the USB2 port - not that I thought for one minute
> that should make any difference, and it didn't. )
>
> Now that I know the combo card is functioning properly (as proved by my
> backing up my data to dvd), I am more than happy, especially as bad clusters
> are starting to show up on my 5-year-old hard drive. The inability of
> Wintv to work via USB2 ports is a relatively minor affair. Nevertheless,
> if I ever do find out why I will let you know, but it's not something I'm
> actively going to pursue - next thing on the agenda is the building up of a
> new hard drive, which should keep my occupied for a wee while.
>
>
> Thanks once again for you kind help.
>
> Martin
>
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23kaBTGwQFHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I don't see where installing those Intel drivers was necessary, as your
> USB 2.0 is
> > ALi chipset on the add-on card. The Intel USB chipset is the on-board USB
> 1.1
> > ports. The drivers you link to from Intel are their USB 2.0 drivers,
> which you have
> > no need for since you don't have an Intel USB 2.0 chipset. It's possible
> that those
> > added and unneeded Intel drivers may be just interfering and adding to the
> > confusion.
> >
> > It seems the USB 2.0 ports are working, but just not with the WinTV unit.
> What does
> > WinTV support have to say?
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >
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> >
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
> >
> >
> > "Martin" <vdp4r@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e$TJloSQFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > Thank you, Glen. And thanks for explaining "Gold". Here is
> where
> > > I've got to:
> > >
> > > I followed all the advice in the links you sent and even ended up at the
> > > Intel site downloading USB 1.1 and 2.0 drivers for the "440 Chipset
> family"
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=N&ProductID=129&DwnldID=4406
> > >
> > > However, the Wintv still won't work through the combo card USB
> > > input. Strange thing is that the sound doesn't appear either even
> > > though the
> > > sound comes via a cable taken directly from the Wintv box straight to
> the
> > > line/mic
> > > input. (The LED lights on the Wintv box. and the Wintv programme
> opens
> > > up, which it won't do if the usb connector's left out. As I say, Wintv
> > > works fine in the USB 1 socket.) My printer works through the usb
> > > connection on the combo card, but I can't say if it's quicker.
> When I
> > > get my burner and Nero to talk to each other I hope I will finally find
> out
> > > if this combo card is really working and allowing USB 2 data rates to be
> > > handled.
> > >
> > > The "only" thing I didn't do in all the USBman advice was to update my
> bios.
> > > It's a Systemsoft bios according to the bootup screen. The "latest"
> bios
> > > update for my 5-year-old laptop at the AJP site contains flash files
> dating
> > > back to Dec 99, so that's the first alarm bell. If I were sure that
> the
> > > bios update would help, I might warm to the idea of updating it. But I
> > > don't fully trust that the update would be the right one for my laptop
> > > model. Even if there were some way to back up and revert this bios
> in
> > > case things
> > > went wrong I'd still be wary, especially after reading through the
> Badflash
> > > site (linked in the USBman site you directed me to).
> > >
> > > Having said all that - and forgive the layman-like language - would I be
> > > right in thinking that this PCMCIA combo card I'm using is merely a
> > > conversion unit, taking in USB (or Firewire) inputs/outputs and
> converting
> > > them into an output/input that the PCMCIA socket in the laptop can
> handle?
> > > In which case I assume that USB 2 and PCMCIA data handling rates are
> > > compatible and would it really matter that the laptop has up-to-date USB
> > > drivers if the "conversion process" is all taking place inside the
> PCMCIA
> > > combo card? Or is it not quite that simple?
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%23jjMPo9PFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Win98 Gold is Win98 First Edition (FE).
> > > > Please post back with any further findings/clues, re: you USB problem.
> > > > --
> > > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > "Martin" <vdp4r@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:OBQgbprPFHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Thanks Glen,
> > > > >
> > > > > You raised a point I ahould have thought of:
> > > > >
> > > > > The IRQ for the USB 1.1 is (incl all other IRQ 10s):
> > > > >
> > > > > 10 Texas Instruments PCI-1225 CardBus Controller
> > > > > 10 Texas Instruments PCI-1225 CardBus Controller
> > > > > 10 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> > > > > 10 RAGE LT PRO AGP 2X (English)
> > > > > 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
> > > > > 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
> > > > > 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
> > > > >
> > > > > (I assume that PCI-1225 are the PCMCIA card slots)
> > > > >
> > > > > So the USB 1.1 share the same IRQ as the display adapter yet the
> Wintv
> > > works
> > > > > fine that way, so perhaps the problem lies elsewhere. At least
> I've
> > > > > learned something from that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm on 98SE (I haven't heard of Gold before).
> > > > >
> > > > > I really appreciate your helpful advice and links which I will delve
> > > into.
> > > > >
> > > > > Very many thanks indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23nwD7LePFHA.3076@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > It is a laptop, and you cannot change the IRQ of the onboard video
> > > > > controller on a
> > > > > > laptop, AFAIK. You posted the sharing info for IRQ 10, which
> includes
> > > > > your display
> > > > > > adapter and the PC Card USB2/Firewire adapter. What is the IRQ
> > > setting
> > > > > for the
> > > > > > onboard USB 1.1? While it's true that USB sometimes does not like
> to
> > > > > share
> > > > > > resources, it is also fairly common to have USB share an IRQ
> > > successfully
> > > > > with the
> > > > > > display adapter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With a desktop computer, you can move the USB 2.0 card to another
> PCI
> > > slot
> > > > > to try
> > > > > > and get a different IRQ assigned, but with a PC Card in a laptop,
> you
> > > > > don't have
> > > > > > that option, and are limited in what you can configure. You are
> using
> > > > > Win98SE, not
> > > > > > Win98 Gold, correct?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can have a look at this web page, though I don't know how
> useful
> > > the
> > > > > info is for
> > > > > > a laptop:
> > > > > >
http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have personally had a lot of trouble getting USB 2.0 cards with
> ALi
> > > > > chipsets to
> > > > > > work correctly in Win98SE. see here for some details re: ALi USB
> > > > > chipsets:
> > > > > >
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/ali_tips_and_tricks.htm
> > > > > > While much of it is meant for onboard ALi controllers, I have
> found
> > > much
> > > > > also
> > > > > > applies to add-on USB 2.0 cards.
> > > > > > Things I have found helpful include installing these updates
> (install
> > > even
> > > > > if it is
> > > > > > not an AMD processor or a VIA controller):
> > > > > >
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=240075
> > > > > >
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=253697
> > > > > > and installing the very latest ALi drivers.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Martin" <vdp3r@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:OcG4tNcPFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > Sorry - I should have mentioned why I wanted to use Tweakbios.
> I
> > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > to try to shift the IRQ of the graphics card in my laptop to a
> free
> > > IRQ
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > see if that was the cause of the following snag:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a Firewire & USB 2 combo card which slots into my PCMCIA
> slot
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > should allow me to connect USB2/Firewire connectors to the
> laptop,
> > > which
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > 5 years old and has 2 USB 1.1 and 2 PCMCIA slots as standard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My Wintv USB works fine through the USB 1 slot but does not play
> via
> > > the
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > 2 adapter. (Wintv told me it should work via a USB2 connection
> and
> > > > > that I
> > > > > > > might have an IRQ conflict.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On checking my IRQs I find that the dispaly adapter and the
> combo
> > > card
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > both working through IRQ 10:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10 PCI OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
> > > > > > > 10 ALi PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller
> > > > > > > 10 ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
> > > > > > > 10 ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
> > > > > > > 10 Texas Instruments PCI-1225 CardBus Controller
> > > > > > > 10 Texas Instruments PCI-1225 CardBus Controller
> > > > > > > 10 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> > > > > > > 10 RAGE LT PRO AGP 2X
> > > > > > > 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
> > > > > > > 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
> > > > > > > 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My bios doesn't allow me to reserve or alter IRQs and I do not
> wish
> > > to
> > > > > > > chance updating it. Rightly or wrongly (and I don't know
> > > anything
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > IRQ handling) I figured that the RAGE video card and the combo
> card
> > > > > might be
> > > > > > > fighting for the same IRQ and that might account for the Wintv
> not
> > > > > working.
> > > > > > > Of course, I can use the Wintv in the USB 1.1 slot but I
> wondered if
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > apparent conflict might cause problems at a later date with
> other
> > > things
> > > > > > > plugged into the combo PCMCIA card.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:OI1Le7WPFHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > Please describe the problem you are trying to fix, in detail.
> > > > > TweakBios
> > > > > > > is not the
> > > > > > > > type of program to use for what *sounds* like is your problem.
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > > > > > > >
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Martin" <vdp3r@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:%23VO6usWPFHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > There is (or was) a seemingly magical program called
> Tweakbios
> > > at
> > > > > > > > > http://www.miro.pair.com/tweakbios/ that claims:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "This shareware program lets you tune your chipset, CPU and
> > > video
> > > > > card
> > > > > > > > > probably more than any 'real' BIOS. And using it is simple;
> you
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > to worry about 'flashing' your BIOS, you can run it from the
> DOS
> > > > > prompt!
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > you can change the settings on the fly! No need to reboot
> your
> > > > > machine!"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Tweakbios doesn't appear to have been updated
> > > since
> > > > > 1999
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > there are no replies to e-mails. A version for Windows 98
> had
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > planned but it doesn't look as if it materialised. I ran
> the
> > > > > version
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Tweakbios for DOS and 95 hoping to resolve an apparent IRQ
> > > conflict
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > 98SE
> > > > > > > > > but it doesn't seem to work and I have no intention of
> messing
> > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > updating the bios.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any similar programs or is such a thing
> just
> > > too
> > > > > > > good to
> > > > > > > > > be true?
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