Over flying Cuba?

[dallas]

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Can I assume commercial US flights can not enter Cuban airspace?


Dallas

 

[william]

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They can and do daily. There are 'corridors' provided for transition with
specific altitudes.
Bill

"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> Can I assume commercial US flights can not enter Cuban airspace?
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> Dallas
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[Arthur]

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They can't fly over North Korea...I know that as a fact.

I found it interesting the last time I was on a cruise in the Caribbean.
We were told we could purchase Cuban cigars if we wished, but would have to
smoke them before reaching the U.S.A. and could not fly them back to Canada
because we had to fly over U.S. airspace. There were a lot of guys smoking
themselves sick just to finish the cigars before we reached America : )

Arthur

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> They can and do daily. There are 'corridors' provided for transition with
> specific altitudes.
> Bill
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> "Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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>> Can I assume commercial US flights can not enter Cuban airspace?
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>> Dallas
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[william]

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There are ways Arthur, there are ways....shhhhh is the CIA reading this ?
LOL
Bill

"Arthur" <alspectorz@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> They can't fly over North Korea...I know that as a fact.
>
> I found it interesting the last time I was on a cruise in the Caribbean.
> We were told we could purchase Cuban cigars if we wished, but would have
> to smoke them before reaching the U.S.A. and could not fly them back to
> Canada because we had to fly over U.S. airspace. There were a lot of guys
> smoking themselves sick just to finish the cigars before we reached
> America : )
>
> Arthur
>
> "William" <alone@home.com> wrote in message
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>> They can and do daily. There are 'corridors' provided for transition with
>> specific altitudes.
>> Bill
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>> "Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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>>> Can I assume commercial US flights can not enter Cuban airspace?
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>>> Dallas
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[dallas]

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"William"
> They can and do daily. There are 'corridors' provided for transition with
> specific altitudes.

Ah... ok then, I'll feel free to over fly it.

(I didn't want to see a MIG-21 trying to splash me.)


Dallas

 

[dallas]

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"Arthur"
> We were told we could purchase Cuban cigars if we wished, but would have
to
> smoke them before reaching the U.S.A. and could not fly them back to
Canada
> because we had to fly over U.S. airspace.

Are you sure about that? Cuban cigars are not allowed to fly *over* the US?
That sounds wrong.

Dallas

 

[Guest]

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if you are flying a corporate jet under FAR135 you need an overflight permit
to go over cuba. I have not been turned down as of yet and when you are at
39000 feet its just like any other airspace...

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> "William"
>> They can and do daily. There are 'corridors' provided for transition with
>> specific altitudes.
>
> Ah... ok then, I'll feel free to over fly it.
>
> (I didn't want to see a MIG-21 trying to splash me.)
>
>
> Dallas
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[Arthur]

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We were told by the cruise line that this is the case...that the U.S.
embargo excludes goods from Cuba in the U.S.A., and since the air space
above the U.S.A. is technically part of the country, it is not allowed. I
think it's a bit extreme as well, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the
truth. If there is anyone here with proof positive that this is not the
case, it would be nice to know.

Anyone who has been on a cruise would tell you that cruise directors usually
try to be funny because it's part of their job. The cruise director said
the following:

"I have some good news and some bad news for our Canadian guests: First the
good news.....you can buy all the Cuban cigars you want. Now the bad
news...you can't take them back to Canada if you are flying over the U.S.A.
and will have to smoke them before getting off the ship." This was said
during our debarkation talk which we get the day before we reach our final
destination.

I'm not sure if he was being funny or not because I don't smoke and didn't
really care at the time.....but I did find it somewhat weird.

Arthur

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> "Arthur"
>> We were told we could purchase Cuban cigars if we wished, but would have
> to
>> smoke them before reaching the U.S.A. and could not fly them back to
> Canada
>> because we had to fly over U.S. airspace.
>
> Are you sure about that? Cuban cigars are not allowed to fly *over* the
> US?
> That sounds wrong.
>
> Dallas
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[dallas]

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"anotheremail"
> if you are flying a corporate jet under FAR135 you need an overflight
permit
> to go over cuba. I have not been turned down as of yet and when you are at
> 39000 feet its just like any other airspace...

Thanks for that...

How do you get that permit? .... and is only good for one flight?


Dallas

 

[Guest]

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There are tours that fly thru cuban air space, I understand they speak only
Spanish(only airport in the world). All permissions and paper work is done
by the tour people. I believe they even give you the altitude to fly at. If
a regular joe can fly thru vfr, then the airlines should be able to.
david
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> Can I assume commercial US flights can not enter Cuban airspace?
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> Dallas
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[Guest]

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If your interested in going, Ross Russo in Key West does the tours. I
haven't been, just read about it in a flyer I get. If you need more let me
know.
david
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> "anotheremail"
> > if you are flying a corporate jet under FAR135 you need an overflight
> permit
> > to go over cuba. I have not been turned down as of yet and when you are
at
> > 39000 feet its just like any other airspace...
>
> Thanks for that...
>
> How do you get that permit? .... and is only good for one flight?
>
>
> Dallas
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>

 

[dallas]

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"David Koehler"
> If your interested in going, Ross Russo in Key West does the tours.

Nope, I was just flying around it in the sim because I figured "N"
registered aircraft were not allowed.

But, it's likely not a bad idea because I hear everything is dirt cheap
there. I also hear they build their resorts inside of fortress walls and
you can't just leave and drive around the countryside?

Dallas

 

[Guest]

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> "David Koehler"
> > If your interested in going, Ross Russo in Key West does the tours.
>
> Nope, I was just flying around it in the sim because I figured "N"
> registered aircraft were not allowed.
>
> But, it's likely not a bad idea because I hear everything is dirt cheap
> there. I also hear they build their resorts inside of fortress walls and
> you can't just leave and drive around the countryside?
>
> Dallas
>
>
I'm sorry to give you the wrong impression, the tour thing goes to the
Cayman Islands, they just get permission to overfly, not land. I don't think
Cuba would mind, you may have a problem getting back into USA. I do know
when customs take things apart, they don't put them back.. If you want the
artical to use as a guide, I'll send it to you if you want. There is another
one that goes to mexico from Cal.
david

 

[Guest]

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Arthur wrote:
> I found it interesting the last time I was on a cruise in the Caribbean.
> We were told we could purchase Cuban cigars if we wished, but would have to
> smoke them before reaching the U.S.A. and could not fly them back to Canada
> because we had to fly over U.S. airspace. There were a lot of guys smoking
> themselves sick just to finish the cigars before we reached America : )
>
> Arthur

Say Arthur bought the cigars and packs them in his luggage. On his
flight back to Canada he has a two hour lay over in the U.S.. He
doesn't have access to his bags. Are these bags subject to customs
inspection? Is there even a customs inspection at all or just wait in
the terminal?

Mike

 

[Guest]

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I am a canadian citizen,and I have travelled once to Havana,Cuba,back
in february 1996.

The place where I stayed was the Hotel Plaza,in old Havana.The first
day I was in Havana,I met at least three US citizens,other tourists
like my humble self touring the city.Later on during my stay,I met at
least half a dozen more Americans at my hotel.
They were there on some sport or cultural exchange.

The ones likely to constitute the political succession of the Castro
brothers are the military.They are already involved in the
administration of hotel resorts through the firm called Gaviota,and
have their own business school to train people to run the tourist
industry.They are very ressourcefull,as are most cubans.They will
naturally want to retain whatever power they currently have in the
context of the Castro regime.

The nationalism and the national pride of the Cubans are both
genuine.They were not invented by the Castro brothers,who merely surfed
on it.Cuban national pride is not to be triffled with.Another
revolution against a pro-US regime in Havana would be something quite
possible.The best way to deal with cubans,in Cuba proper,consists in
not showing off,especially in not bragging about being wealthy.Fidel
does not like rich people,and he is far from being alone in that
respect and on his island.

 

[Guest]

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Anyone can overfly Cuba, you just need to go through their permit process
and follow their rules. They speak English (better than a lot of
Spanish-Speaking countries do) and are very good to deal with. The only
hitch is if you don't show up at the appointed time, or stray from the
rules. You'll get away with it one time, but then they're liable to
blacklist your N number (read up about it, google works).

For the fella that was talking about customs coming back from Cuba - customs
isn't the primary problem. Yes, they're likely to impound the aircraft -
although they're not likely to tear it apart you'll still have to jump
through hoops to get it back. The bigger problem is the state
department/immigration. US Citizens aren't, under normal circumstances,
allowed to go to Cuba - period. If you were flying to the Caymans via Cuba
(typical trip) and had an engine problem you would naturally land in, say,
Havana, and have the problem fixed. When you get home you'll STILL have a
lot of paperwork, investigation, and explaining to do. Again, read up on it
- it's happened. The good news is the Cubans are, apparently, good to work
with and very helpful - for the rest of the world they're a tourist
destination, and probably will be for the USA not long after Castro kicks
the preverbial bucket.

 

[dallas]

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"Nobody Important"
> for the rest of the world they're a tourist
> destination, and probably will be for the USA not long after Castro kicks
> the preverbial bucket.

Informative. New topic: Why does everyone think when Castro dies the whole
Cuban problem will revert back pre-Castro Cuba? It's incredible how many
Cubanos think they'll get their land and property back the minute Castro
kicks the bucket. There is an entire government in place and if Castro
dies, I feel safe in saying they won't want to give up their power and
lifelong positions. They'll just "elect" a new "President".

Dallas