EIGHT CORE SERVERS: OPTERON 880 vs. XEON MP 3.0 GHZ

A Newtonian reflector telescope uses a parabolic mirror instead of a lense to gather and focus light. This light is focused to a point near the front of the telescope tube and is then redirected to the side of the tube with an elliptical diagonal mirror at a 45 degree angle. The focuser is mounted at the front of this tube and holds the eyepiece which further magnifies this focused light from the parabolic primary.

Newtonian reflectors, aperature per aperature, are far more affordable than a comparable refractor telescope, and are not plagued by the effects of chromatic aberration (false color)

Nitrous Oxide is used in the semiconductor mfg process? I did not know that! Come on 9-Inch! Bestow upon us this great pearl of wisdom! A response to this question will really help me sleep tonight.

9-inch dont listen to action man he's just playing with you

N20 is used during tunnel odixation not the gate ox. For the gate step, you actually use good old hydrogen and oxygen gases, trick here is that it has to be reacted in a torch chamber, with the correct ratio of course, by the way when the gases are reacted in the torch, they make a pretty blue flame that flows into a 950C reactor tube. NH3 is ammonia which we use to make a nitride deposition, not an ox, but some other places might use it for ox. Actually we use much more interesting chemicals, such as HCL (a nasty acid we use during one of our dep steps) and DCS (gas ignites when exposed to oxygen). Oxynitride??? never heard of that process, is it a deposition or oxydation???

N20 is used during tunnel odixation not the gate ox. For the gate step, you actually use good old hydrogen and oxygen gases, trick here is that it has to be reacted in a torch chamber, with the correct ratio of course, by the way when the gases are reacted in the torch, they make a pretty blue flame that flows into a 950C reactor tube. NH3 is ammonia which we use to make a nitride deposition, not an ox, but some other places might use it for ox. Actually we use much more interesting chemicals, such as HCL (a nasty acid we use during one of our dep steps) and DCS (gas ignites when exposed to oxygen). Oxynitride??? never heard of that process, is it a deposition or oxydation???


Are you refering to an Intel process ? Intel does not use oxynitrides for their gate material, they use plain old SiO2 and do not nitride it. ...

However, forming gate oxynitride is used in the industry. Here is a quick applied phys. lett. reference. Again, it is a subscription site but you can get the jist from the abstract.

http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/se [...] s&gifs=yes

The reference I site above is studying Nitric Oxide for a gate material, it does reference N2O for the most common oxynitride producer. I could pull out more references if you wish. This particular reference was published by, dun dun dahhhhh - Motorola.

Hey, look, a 9-inch thread that is actually producing some informative discussion--go figure.

EDIT: Not that you are incorrect, in fact, you are quite on the money however there are more than just a few uses for N2O What the heck, here is another one: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abs [...] ber=237142

Ahhhh crap, here's another one, this from IBM: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/433/ellis.html

Jack

I will look at those articles as soon as I get a chance......thanks jack, by the way I'm not a process expert, my job is to make sure the equipment is operating correctly at the right temps, gas flows, and pressure, and of course the damn automation system. Anyways back to work.

9 inch may not have givien us a great post. He has given us a simple reminder.
In the real world, the best chips available today, for desktop and server aplications, are made by AMD.
It seems unlikely that Intel will be able to catch 8 way opteron for the forseable future. That is the reality. There is no smoke nor mirrors involved.

Woodcrest isnt out yet and it'll have a hard time in 8 way configs with the aging fsb.

Didnt so much mean it would ace it but competition would be better - Pentium M's do well with the old FSB and woodcrest with DIB will do ok till ~2008 with CSI or whatever.

What i really mean is ANYTHING IS BETTER THEN P4.

What does that have to do with woodcrest?

Intel isn't going to move forward either?

You took it the wrong way. This time next year AMD will have a platform that is already 40% ahead + all of those improvements.
Conroe is the savior of the dual core world yes because its mighty damn fast and better than anything AMD will have for dual core for @ least a year but because it fits into boards already available on the market designed for netburst already tells me that it was never designed for scaling past 1 core. Intel wanted to go IA64 for MC CPU's and all this sharing FSB DC and soon to be MC solution on SCKT 775 is a hack to keep up with something that was designed for 8 core operation from the getgo.

And the same can be said about anything bearing the name "Xeon"

You forget, Intel is going to do a major price cut, on April 23rd. (looks at date) Yup the 23rd is the day to wait for. Intel pricing, mmmm, good honest value.

Banias was already good and Dothan also got a good 400mhz speed bump over Banias whilst using less power.

So? Conroe still wins.

So? Conroe still wins.
You obviously read very thoroughly. I already told you conroe will eat anything else alive for the next 6-12 months in dual core as the platform limitations dont start showing up until the bandwidth starts choking with 4core. Conroe is hungry for bandwidth and will be even more so when code is optomised for it.

I did but it was mostly boring. The platform will improve and they will get CSI in like 2008. 45nm should help as well to do proper quad core and increase cache sizes.

I did but it was mostly boring. The platform will improve and they will get CSI in like 2008. 45nm should help as well to do proper quad core and increase cache sizes.
So in otherwords they will be using their manufacturing muscle(made possible by years of anticompetative buisness practises as proven already in the japan suit) to make up for their platforms shortcomings?

You'd prefer they did nothing instead?

Yes, that is the sole reason.

Till CSI, yeah. Again you'd prefer they do nothing at all? What would you prefer they do?